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Deadlytruth:
Thank you. Boko Haram bombed so many churches in Nigeria while they had a field day in their war against Christianity. How many of their victim churches were JWs' kingdom Halls? None! Does that not even seem to suggest that JWs were not really a spiritual threat to Antichrist organizations?

My dear, this is the question i have been asking. Where are the JW who claim they are the real Christians when fake Christians are being killed by Muslims? JW don't dare take their kingdom arguments to the places where they will be killed.

Their evangelism is amongst the Christians not the unbeliever.

Pls, Jw, just like the Die Heart Evangelicals, take your message to places that must hear it whether satan likes it or not. Oh wait!!!!!, they can't can't face satan.

This is a display of boldness and courage on the part of the Evangelicals and fear and timidity on the part of the JW, and this kind of boldness that makes a man still want to go knowing he can be killed comes only from having the Holy Spirit inside of him. But, the JW doesn't believe that the Holy Spirit is still at work in us today. No wonder they wait for the storm to cool down before going out.


Christians be careful of the JW.

Ronpet777:
Wow wow! I hv never really sought for knowledge abt Allah. Will do my research but I feel really schooled abt it by u. Thanks a million

Good morning brother. Pls do your research so that you won't worship a demon masquerading as YHWH.

There are so many Islamic claims that when scrutinize, will fall flat.

This is what Piqued me off about Islam. THE CHARACTER ANGEL GABRIEL.

The Bible tells us that YHWH made a promise to send a SEED to the world. Over time, He went on reminding His Prophets about the Promised SEED, many Prophets prophesied Jesus, Isaiah even called him by name Immanuel. Isaiah mentioned a Virgin having the SEED. Different prophets told about the manner of his death.

Angel Gabriel and Michael are the Angels watching over the Nation of Israel according to Daniel 10:20-21

Gabriel takes messages to the Israelites while Michael is their Warrior and defender in times of trouble.

He said, “Do you know why I came to you? It is to reveal to you what is written in the Book of Truth. Now I have to go back and fight the guardian angel of Persia. After that the guardian angel of Greece will appear. There is no one to help me except Michael, Israel's guardian angel
This tells us that Michael and Gabriel are in charge of Israel.

The Angels or Princes (Demons) in charge of the Kingdom of Persia and Greece were not called by names. With this, we know that every nation has either Angels or Demons in the Celestial realm ruling and determining what happens there.

This Gabriel was the same one who went to all the Jewish Prophets with the message about the Messiah. And, pls NOTE, Gabriel never had any body contact with anyone he talked with. He never threatened anyone he talked to. Whenever he appeared and the person he came for bcomes afraid, he usually settles the fear, by saying, 'Fear not, i am Gabriel who stands in the presence of God, and i have come to give you His message'

We saw that till when Jesus was born. Gabriel by himself named Jesus. He by Himself gave the mission statement of Jesus. And so it was that the SEED was born. Finished His mission and left. Then, 600yrs later, this same Gabriel was sent by the same God(?) to a
man, from Arab, a totally different tribe from which He had picked His Prophets from with a different message, saying JESUS WAS NOT THE SON OF GOD, BUT A SLAVE OF ALLAH?

And, the gentle Gabriel who usually puts people at peace before giving his messages, all of a sudden changed his method and made to forcefully strangulate muhammed, forcing him to recite allah ahkubaru or die.

That entity tortured muhammed to submission. Three times it happened. Muhammed knew something was wrong with him, because anytime the entity came, he becomes like a possessed man. He made to commit auicide before his wife Kadijat saved him by taking him to a soothsayer called Waraqa who pretended to be a Catholic convert.

Pls, pick your Bible and study Angel Gabriel and study the Jibril of Islam, if you have no questions like i did, then, your case is different.

My whole point is this, the same YHWH can not send the Messenger with two different Messages to two different people.

He couldn't have told the Jews who Jesus is, and told Arabs a different thing.

And, pls study muhamed as a prophet, and study the lives of the prophets of the Bible if questions dosn't rise in your heart then...

What am i saying? Jibril is not Gabriel. Isa is not Jesus, YHWH is not Allah. Muhammed was not sent by YHWH.

Satan masquerades as an angel of light knowing, if he doesn't, no one will follow him.

MuttleyLaff:
Ronpet777 and frank317 are having a tense arm wrestling thing going on
By source, channels and instructions,
they are referring to Sender (i.e. Source) that converts messages (i.e. instructions) into signals
and uses transmitters (i.e. channels) to transmit the signals which arrives as information that can be used and understood by people

Someone certainly had a dodgy radio and/or television with a faulty antenna

I know that, but there's a reason i asked that. I needed him to clarify because i am waiting for him somewhere.

Ronpet777:
I mean there is God almighty the source. And there r channels through which his instructions r passed. Many like in the days of Moses only knw God's acts but Moses knew His ways and brought instructions from him to them.

You are still talking about Channels. How many Channels did YHWH used to reach men in OT? And pls lets call the God we are refering to by name. Every deity is an almigbty to them who worships him or it.

Ronpet777:
Not every one has direct link to God almighty so they rely on channels which r men of God and prophets. Pple relied on priests to hear d mind of God bf Jesus came and tore d veil to grant all true believers a direct access to God.

No, not everyone had the Holy Spirit then. Only a select few. And pls not, His method were the same with all the vessels He used in the OT. He didn't change is Method.

Ronpet777:
The Muslim believe Muhammed is their access to d most high God and got instructions from him just as Guru Maharaji's followers follow his instructions. The problem now is d message which I termed d instructions.

If you leave the message giver and dwell on the message alone, you'd be deceived. Question is who is allah? Have you researched allah?

I asked you questions you didn't answer, if you had answered, i'd know how to go about this.

Before Muhammad was born, his grandfather Al Mutallab served Allah as his Chief priest. He had a son whom he called Abdullah. He dedicated him to the serve of allah. Abdullah had muhammed.
Now, who was Allah who Al Mutallab and Abdullah worshipped? Was he the God of Abraham? No. How do i know? because there were so many Jews in those days leaving together in the Arabic Peninsulas serving and Worshopping YHWH while Abudullah worshipped his Allah in his way. He never forced anyone to worship Allah with him.

Allah was one of the 350gods Arabs worshipped.
Allah was a Moon god called Hubal. He had three daughters Allat, Mallat and Uzza. One of his daughters Allat the fourite was believed to have descended from a star, hence the Cresent Moon and the Star as Islamic symbol. And why they watch the moon before Ramadan.

If the Abrahamic God was the same wirh the Arabic Allah, why didn't they worship in the same Temples before Muhammed was born?

And, Guru Maharaji and his people don't serve a supreme being. They don't rely on any mesaage from any supreme being. They are New Agers, hence they believe that they themselves are gods. So, remove them.

Ronpet777:
Muhammed has a different msg for his followers and tries to harmonize it with many Bible stories

Where was His source? Who gave him the message? Do you believe YHWH gave him those messages? Pls i need your answer here.

Ronpet777:
That is where perception comes in. If for d fact that he has a completely different msg for his followers u bliv he serves a diff God then fine. But I knw God almighty d maker of all has no twin brother and no equa[/b]l.

[b]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah:14:12

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isaiah:14:13

Beloved, you need to know your God so that you can be strong and do exploits.

When satan challenged God in that vers 13, that he also shall sit and be worshipped as God, who do you think he was going to get the worship from? Fellow Angels albeit fallen? No, Angels don't worship each other. He meant humans. If he was going to be worshipped, he must pretend to be God. He must make men believe he indeed is God, that's the only way he will be worshipped. And satan set up his own religion made it look like the religion of YHWH.

Guy. Open your eyes.

Muslims claim to be servants of God while Christians are legitimate children.[/quote]Are they? because they claim that doesn't make it so.

We really need to talk about this issue.

Muslims don't worahip the same God with the Jews.

You are given a section for this, why aren't you taking this there?
Myn44 pls take this to Islamic section so that this can get better viewing. Thanks.

Hairyrapunzel:
The Amish is a small group fewer than jws that believe that they are the only true religious group.
I agree with you the road to everlasting life is narrow so the Amish is the only true religion

Hahahahahahahahaha. Wow, this is a good point there sir.

It's not in the denomination one belongs sir, it's whether or not you have the new life which can only be gotten from accepting Christ's finished work on the cross.

removetheturban:
I cannot understand you. It sounds foreign to me. You probably need to check your spelling or grammar before sending stuff online. In all cases, this is where we part ways. It was a great time having a conversation with you.
Stay positive and God bless.

There are always typos when typing with a phone. If you don't have what to say, you can politely say so, instead of pretending that the typos are making my discourse illegible for you to read.

Have a good evening too sir.

asuustrike2009:
So Festus was a witness? Hmmmm!

I don't know him in person. Someone here in Nairaland mentioned it

Ronpet777:
God bless u sir. I didn't knw most of these though. This gives more credence to my claims. The problem actually are d channels and instructions.

What do you mean by Channels and instructions pls?

Ronpet777:
If Emmanuel disagrees with me He knws perfectly wot he is saying and he is wise. Y wud he agree he serves d same God with a man who claims his God told them to kill? But then, d problem is with d worshippers. Isaac and Ismael both came from Abraham and both serve d God of Abraham. D issue is that while Christians can hear from God through d Holy Spirit, the Muslims follow d dictates of Muhammed completely. He gives them instructions which he claims to hv heard from God, d same one Ismael served which is also our God. Many Christians won't agree that we serve d Same God because d instructions r completetly diff. Blame d channels not the source, but then ur purpose is to mock and all u will do is to pick Wot to criticize.
cc: obiZEAL, frank317,emmanystone

Sir, Muhammed was not the descendant of Ismael o. It's a claim to give Islam credibility. I took up the challenge to reseach on the geneology of Muhammed tracing it down to Ismael, it got lost along the way.

Listen sir. Muhammed made alot of bogus claims that if carefully perused, you'd know he lied.

Let me ask you. Do you believe that Abraham built the Kaaba?

Do you believe that Abraham was Muslim?

Do you believe that Ki g David, Solomon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jesus and all the Jews except Apostle Paul were Muslims?

Do you believe that it was Ismael God asked Abraham to sacrifice?

Do you believe that Jesus is not the Son of God, but just a slave of Allah?

Do you believe that Jesus didn't die, didn't resurrect?

If you believe one here, you must believe all.

Pls research the Geneology of Muhammed, you wld see who suggested to him to agree that he was a decedent of Abraham. It was suggested to him in the first place. At first, he rejected it, when it was impressed on him, he accepted.

Al Tabari, the master forgerer who was good at forgery attempted to draw down a genology for Muhammad, he got lost along the line.

He began by picking Hebew names and turning them to Arabic names, it so happeed that, those names didn't have Arabic meanings as they weren't Arabic.

Use google sir.

Shalom.

oteneaaron:
Hehehe ....I was just waiting for you to mention the "Nicean Creed"

I wouldn't want to derail this thread, but if you're really interested, we could open a new thread, and discuss whether or not the JW stance on the TRINITY is grounded.

No insults, no bickering, no playing the "persecution" card, just real facts and the bible.

Tools we'll need for our discussion

1. The holy bible (either NWT or any translation)

2. The JW brochure -- "should you believe in the trinity?"

3. Writings from Chales T. Rusell --- studies in the scriptures, volume 5

4. Originals writings from the early "Ante Nicen Fathers" and

5. The Encyclopedia, britanica, americana and the Catholic encyclopedia


With these, we can have a constructive discuss about Trinity. If you're game, do let me know.

Cheers!!

Pls when the thread is opened mention me.

removetheturban:
Just a quick update! In those places that you mentioned, Christians have been there right from the 1st century. Churches were already established there by the Apostles FYI. Do not think that any organization went there to break virgin grounds.

Notwithstanding, I do not take away any effort by any religious organization anywhere. The fact is, if we do not tell our achievements, who will?

In Every media outlets and even during live shows (your) a church is advertised and we have no business in that. We do not use such medium now but when we talk about ourselves in very our own magazines, people come to criticise us. Are we going to spend our money to talk about another organization? They are our publications and they are made by us. Will outsiders who do not care about us decide what we put in our own publications?

To your questions of how many Kingdom Halls we have there, I would advise that you focus on the ones that are nearest to you. If you want more update about us, visit [url]jw.org[/url]

You mean Churches were grounded in Afghanistan before Islam took over that land?


You keep blowing hot air towards another direction. Wht doesn't JW go to Lands where Christians are being killed today? Do Evangelicals advertise their churches there?

The discussion is not about the ones that are in Conquered lands, we are talking about real Evangelism.
You don't Evangelize the Churched, you evangelize the Unchurched. My area is Churched.

Why don't you go to the Unchurched areas for evangelism is the question?.

You wait for the Territories to be conquered before you begin walking freely pretending to preach the Kingdom which has already been preached.

Guy, did you hear the 21 Christians that were beheaded by ISIS? We want to hear such news.

Videos Abounds in YouTube of tje adventures of the Evangelical missionaries in these lands, where is JW in all of these? All through the killing of Christians by ISIS, how JW members died?

Your excuse is that, you are banned? Isn't Christianity as whole banned over these lands? But evangelicals still go with the gospel. They get killed, they still go.

You stay back and say, "We are banned". But when the Evangelicals have succeeded to take over the lands, you'll come out of your little holes with small backs and umbrellas argueing Bible every where.

[quote author=Ucheamani post=64974408][/quote]Correctguy101 this guy here says Keyamo is not a withness. At least this one i heard it from from.

correctguy101:


Just go online and you'll get your answer. As for afganistan, I know nothing about a kingdom Hall there

Is it only Afganistan that's hostile to preachers of anything other than Islam?
Some hostile nations aren't even Muslims.

I only just mention Afghanistan because those people don't ask which denomination you belong before coming after you. They kill all Christians but Evangelicals are still there, missionaries are still being sent in there. Why aren't JW there too? Oh, wait!!!!, tjey wait for the storm to settle before they'll go and be pretending to evangelize the already saved souls. SMH

Ucheamani:
Over 600 Witnesses are currently in prison in south Korea, others are also imprisoned in Russia, Eritrea etc. So its better you ask if don't know

Where did you get this your statistics from? I asked for a link but you drew up a number.

Amd, do you mean North Korea? because South Korea is not Hostile to Christians. At not now.

I asked about something else, you said something else.

hopefulLandlord:
He said you're serving the same God with Shekau

I didn't see that. No. Allah is not YHWH

correctguy101:
He must be an uninformed JW.

Even me that's not JW know that they have been preaching in hostile lands.

My JW relatives brag about it as a proof of their discipleship

I researched about it and found out it's true.

There are even lands that are hostile to Muslims

Sir, can i get links to where they have their Kingdom Halls in Islamic Nations like Afganistan?

Ishilove:
Although there are some elders that will never respect themselves. There is one in Autos section who speaks to female Nairalanders like he is talking to his neighbour's children. I don't hesitate to soundly cuss this category of 'elders'

That one has no respect for himself. How will he raise his kids like that?

Ishilove:
It's a lesson. Not everyone on Nairaland is a kid. Henceforth I will be careful how I abuse people here o because I fit dey abuse my papa mate and my folks didn't raise me to disrespect my elders

No be small o. Dis small children are making this place seem like it's all kids zone.

Abeg make this my mouth clip up.

hopefulLandlord:
Which makes me surprised you're supporting a Christian who's saying the exact opposite

What is the Cbristian saying?

alBHAGDADI:
You did a very good job. GLORY BE TO GOD

Hallelujah

hopefulLandlord:
What's the title of this mount Zion film?

Title it whatever you like. I called the Former Babalawo an hour ago as i came back from church to make sure he was in Church, guess what? He was, and went for a members Child's dedication.

I don't really what you think, especially you.

removetheturban:
How much do you know about their works in those zones? Are you talking from knowledge learned or from a place of hate?

May be you should give tell us how many Kingdom Halls of the JW that are in these places. Shey you how cburches are being burnt and Christians killed in Afganistan and Pakistan, Egypt and the rest? How many are Jw kingdom Halls?

Oladeleeleniyan:
so,Festus Keyamo is a JW?
and for the fact that he's practicing, his profession does means he hate Suleiman?
it is a shame that you know nothing about JW,yet you are acting as if you know everything about them..
who told you that JW are not preaching in hostile countries and lands?, visit WWW.JW.org to know how many lands and countries the evangelism work is being done.

Www.JW. is a lying website. They don't go becos they claim they have been banned in Islamic Nations. Is there any Islanic Nation that Christianity as a whole is not banned? Aren't Christians still taking the gospel there?

correctguy101:
I don't want to believe you're intentionally telling a lie.

This is untrue. Go get informed already on this.
The jw are in very hostile nations as we type on here


Some are in prison now for being stupid I guess (how can someone not be involved in national interests but want to enjoy any good the nation provides, all in the name of- we are no part of the world?)

But right here in this Nairaland they were accused of not going to hostile Nations like the Islamic Nations, i asked one prominent one (i don't see that moniker anymore) why they don't send missions to hostile Nations as the Evangelicals do, He responded by saying, 'They don't go to countries that rejects them'. I wasn't the one who told him to give that response.

FTrebirth:
albhagdadi, emmanystone and rottennaija are the same person.

one said he converted a babalawo to a Christian.

SMH!

Wow, I am Albhagdadi? This is an honour.

dudebuck:
I know former witch doctors that are now bonafide Jehovah's witnesses, so this your story is fake news.

Why then did they not stand to witness to this one?

uwalakathankgod:
idiot, and your happy you convented babalawo. see your life. were we're you and your JW when the Catholic pass through the hot nail to bring the good massage to the world.

The Cathics pass through the hot nails from who?

headTO:
please if you want to know about the activities of Jehovah's witnesses, visit jw.org. Go through it diligently and u will get answers to all your questions, instead of coming here to share falsehood about us and our activities in hostile lands.

You mean the lies they post there?

Why not you start by telling us why you guys don't take your Good News to Hostile nations? Why only on Territories that have been Conquered?

Do you know that when a soul is won, that soul can not be rewon? When Christ writes my name in the book of life, it doesn't mean the denomination i decide to attain service, am won already. You guys going about inviting Christians whose names (Well, who knows if there were Christians before?)are written in the Book of Life, you guys are not winning any soul.

Go and evangelize Muslims. In this platform here, we know the JW, you can never see one engage and atheist or a Muslim. Their problem is against the Catholics primarily then the Evangelicals.

Biko, there are Muslims every where go there and win souls. Christians are being killed in the North, how many JW Kingdom Halls have been burnt so far in Yobe or Bauchi?

MuttleyLaff:
Dont mind Emmanystone ojaare
She forced my hand and so had to break one of my golden rules.
Which one of them is: Do not give unsolicited information

Enough of self disclosure

Yahhhhh. Sir sir. I hail o.

hopefulLandlord:
my question is rhetorical cuz I've seen you over the years argue that you and Shekau aren't serving the same god. I'm just checking if you're gonna be consistent or shift like a dry leaf on water

Only the uncertain shake. I am as solid as the rock.

Upon this rock i shall built my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail over it. I'm standing on that Rock.

Ishilove:
Emmanystone, we have an elder here. I never knew Muttleylaff can born us.

Mehnnn. The guy drove his eldest kid to boarding school 15 yrs ago. Hmm., na him i dey follow am argue? No be my mate oo.

Oga Mudttleylaff sorry for my banters o.