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KingEbukasBlog:
No , I think its the thread you had to shamelessly scam an innocent couple of 5000 naira . Don't you think so felixomor ?

Wait!!!, is it for real that Logicboy stole from a couple?

plainbibletruth:
Joshnes, Most times it is necessary to look at an entire chapter or even chapters of the Bible in order to get a clearer picture of a doctrinal position. However since we may not have the luxury of time and space here let me give a short answer.


"If they shall fall away" is not referring to salvation but it is referring to the moving away from the Christian way of life into Judaism. Hebrews 6:1 tells us that the writer is speaking about things that follow salvation.

This portion is simply stating to Hebrew (Jewish) believers that if they "fall away" into Judaistic reliance on animal sacrifices they cannot be brought back into fellowship with God (which comes alone through repentance - 1 John 1:9) and were by relying on those animal sacrifices attempting to crucify afresh Jesus Christ.

I trust that helps.

The basis of Gods accepting a person and forgiving a sinner is clearly, upon what Jesus Christ did on the cross.

No merit on the part of man brought it about. After salvation the believer continues to be inadequate. (1 John 1:8. )
To claim then that man needs to continue to "merit" the GIFT of God means that it was not a gift in the first place.

When a person by faith believes and receives Christ as their Saviour that person has eternal life and salvation being eternal it cannot be lost.

NO ONE merits salvation. How then can any merit on man's part sustain it?

Falling away is leaving of dropping the gift of salvation which they received previously.

Scholar8200:
plainbibletruth, kindly correct this notion: when God gives HE doesnt take back:

Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Revelations 2:5


Besides, kindly lay these to heart:

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned
John 15:2,6

Aye brother, none can pluck us from His Hands;but HE can cut us off if we dont abide.

Romans 11:21,22
for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

He refuses to see these scriptures.

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If this kind of topic is not followed systematically there is the tendency to get muddled up in irrelevances.

Christ came to resolve man's INADEQUACY. If we now turn round to say that the INADEQUATE man can or must do something in order to sustain Christ's work then what we are saying is that SALVATION ultimately depends on man's efforts.[/quote]Why aren't we analyzing the scriptures we bring up here?

You keep veering off the lane. Salvation is not by works, as in, 'Good Deeds', Inever said anything like that. However, there is the issue of CHOICE on the part of Man who needs to make up for his inadequacies, hence: man must either accept or reject the gift of salvation OFFERED by Christ, ( it's an open offer with room to accept or reject it).

When the gift has been accepted, there's need for man to continue.(Why are we losing sight of the issue of continuity here?).

When we have received Salvation which is freely offered, but takes a choice to accept or reject, there's still a life or race to run, which some may end half way.


Brother, salvation is not thrust to man to accept whether or not he wants it, if that's the case, we won't have atheist here. But, we have a part to play, that's to either accept or reject it. when we accept it then Romans 12:2 comes to play.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Romans:12:2

The bolded is your job to do, not God's. He will renew your Spirit, by giving it His life, you work to put off the works of the flesh. He won't do that for you.

Before you got saved, anytime you got sexually aroused, you had sex, but now, when you get sexually aroused you control your urge. He will not stop you from having sex, because he has given you the power to stop yourself, but what if you take it for granted and keep having your sex?


I don't want to keep going back and forth with this.

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If I'm getting you wrong clarify things for me by answering this question[/b]:
"How can the receiver (man) lose the GIFT of salvation?[/quote]You can decide to drop the gift you received. It's not automatic that becos Christ has given you this gift, you must keep the gift till you die.

Lucifer lost his, Adam lost his.

Note again, IT'S NOT CHRIST WHO IS TAKING THE GIFT BACK, BUT IF YOU DROP IT HALF WAY, HE WON'T FORCE YOU TO KEEP IT.

Will a man who had received salvation but drops Christ to take up Islam still keep his salvation? What about a satanist who was once a Christian, will he keep his salvation?

Is salvation automatic?

chineduemmao:
hello, am old enough to spot a childish comment.



#advice

Be carefull what you say over the internet, you don't know 'Who'. you may be called to prove what you just alleged.

EDIT THE BOLDED PLEASE!!!

If only you know how many pregnancies or unborn babies the Catholic Church kills everyday to keep the Nuns and Fathers childless.

There's nothing godly about the priesthood.

paulicoco:
I also had a prophet tell me that 70-80 percent of thos prophets have obanje ( apparently there is good and a bad one). The good one helps people, whilst the bad one destroys.. Rubbish! People please repent before its too late

So, there's a good and bad satan abi?

Les:
God'll never open their eyes, if God'll, why hasn't He done it long ago. The reason being that it works according to d prophesy of Jesus Christ b4 he left this planet. Jesus said dat many would be deceived so am not surprised.. They can only be delivered on mere coincidences just like urs... Congrats to u.

An ignoranr peraon even liked your comment. Lol.

So you believe there is coincidences with the Predeterminer of our destinies? lol.

plainbibletruth:
You keep doing one thing: ASSUMING what I have NOT said or what IS NOT in a Bible passage.

I think when that happens it does not make for a right understanding of any particular issue.

Go back all I've written and ask if they line up with Scripture. If so understand them. Then if there are questions the next step would be how can they be resolved.

Like you, I can come up with ALL KINDS of rationalisation. I can argue that the man who goes back was never "in Christ" in the first place. I can ADD other claims but that would be working from my assumed answer to derive my solution. I am not, and wouldn't do that.

The issue always should be 'what is the Scripture saying?' Are there things we can put together line upon line, precept upon precept to arrive at this position ALL THE TIME?

That is why it is better that an issue like we are looking at is not just taken at the surface level but in depth.

For starters let's take this question and look at it:
"If man's HOLINESS or INTEGRITY is required to add to Christ's work on the cross to qualify man for heaven,
1.was Christ's work a PARTIAL work of salvation needing man to FILL UP or COMPLETE?
2. what degree or measure of holiness is required and how do we determine its qualification or the pass Mark as it were?

Brother, backsliding is not God's inadequacies, it is Man's. The problem is not God-ward, but Man-ward.


When God Gives, He gives all and doesn't take back, it then remains for man to take what is given and work/walk with it to the end. That's why it is called a RACE. If one falls off the track, you fall out of God. That is all there is to this. Hence, we as Christians are enjoined to guard jealously that which we have that no one takes it away.

Let us even consider what Jesus taught in Luke 8 from 5-15.

The Sower=God/Christ. Sows His SEED= The Word of Christ to The Ground/soil= The Hearer/Man.

One Seed fell on the wayside.

Another fell on the Rocky areas.

One fell on the Thorny area.

One fell on Good grounds.

And, all the Seeds germinated and began to grow.

As time progressed, the Rocky ground Christian, began to crumble about the Rockiness around and gave a reason why the Seed can't grow in her, she gave up. But did she recieved the Seed/salvation? Yes.

The Wayside Christian, just dropped the salvation as soon as she recieved it. This is an excited Christian. She heard the word, got so exited and recieved it, but her normal worldly ways got mixed up and she lost out.

The Thorny Ground Christians: This one is the one who gives in to or crumbles under Adversities of life, afflictions, hardships, persecution, perils, hunger, famine, fear of death, etc. She gets seperated from the love of God, (this is where most people fall off) because he can not endure, hence, she returns back to her normal life.

The Good ground Christian: This out of 3 stands, endures till the end, overcomes all and obtains the crown of Life.


Sir, Once saved is not always saved. Let he who have an ear guard their salvation jealously.

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plainbibletruth:
I still stress that there is the need to UNDERSTAND what EXACTLY the Scripture means by the WORDS and PHRASES used rather than read our ASSUMED meaning into them.

Salvation is God's gift Eph. 2:8.

God's gifts are never recalled:
"for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable." Rom.11:29

God remains faithful even when man is unfaithful 2 Tim. 2:13 -"if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself."

Salvation, which comes to any man because of God's mercy and NOT any GOOD WORK on the part of man CANNOT be sustained by man's work, otherwise that would be CONTRADICTORY. Titus 3:4-7.

When God gives a guarantee he stands by it. Eph. 1:14

I see where you are getting it wrong. I never said Salvation is by works or as a result of what we do, No. It is a gift of God.
I don't know where you are getting GOOD WORKS from, i have never mentioned WORKS once. It is a gift.

The GIVER is YHWH, when He gives, He doesn't take back.

the Reciever is Man, he can recieve and loos it afterwards. Case it point, Adam.

Choices and Willingness comes in here.

Tell me pls, will everyone who has ever recieved salvation enter eternal life with Christ?

I believe, salvation is not an automatic endosement for heaven, if so, the 5 foolish VIRGINS, would have recieved recommendarion from the master for remaining virgins and waiting, albeit without Oil.

plainbibletruth:
You keep doing one thing: ASSUMING what I have NOT said or what IS NOT in a Bible passage.

I think when that happens it does not make for a right understanding of any particular issue.

Go back all I've written and ask if they line up with Scripture. If so understand them. Then if there are questions the next step would be how can they be resolved.

Like you, I can come up with ALL KINDS of rationalisation. I can argue that the man who goes back was never "in Christ" in the first place. I can ADD other claims but that would be working from my assumed answer to derive my solution. I am not, and wouldn't do that.

The issue always should be 'what is the Scripture saying?' Are there things we can put together line upon line, precept upon precept to arrive at this position ALL THE TIME?

That is why it is better that an issue like we are looking at is not just taken at the surface level but in depth.

For starters let's take this question and look at it:
"If man's HOLINESS or INTEGRITY is required to add to Christ's work on the cross to qualify man for heaven,
1.was Christ's work a PARTIAL work of salvation needing man to FILL UP or COMPLETE?
2. what degree or measure of holiness is required and how do we determine its qualification or the pass Mark as it were?

You jumped questions i asked with regards to who Christ was addressing in revelation 1,2,3.

Everything must not be written in black and white before it conveys the message. When Christ says if we are niether hot nor cold, He will spit us out of His mouth, was he talking to the unsaved?

Were the 5foolish virgins unsaved?


Brother, Once saved is not always saved. As much as when God gives you a gift He doesn't take it back, but when one returns to Sin, the gift gets corruoted.

The Gift of God's life Christ is giving to Man today, is the same Gods life 'Zoe', that God gave to Adam, did Adam loose it? Yes.

Lucifer went with his, Adam went with his, but the vital component of them, the Spirit which enables them to abide with Him got lost or corrupted.

I gave scriotures which you ignored nah.

If there's nothing like 'backsliding' after being saved, the Holy Spirit wouldn't mention it in the Bible.


On a final note; pls, stop making it seem like i'm implying that When God gives us salvation and we return to Sin, he'll take His salvation back, No. The salvation gets corrupted, that's all.

jimmyjenseng:
Really?! This is why you believe the bible?

Yes, why do you disbelieve the Bible?

plainbibletruth:
I still stress that there is the need to UNDERSTAND what EXACTLY the Scripture means by the WORDS and PHRASES used rather than read our ASSUMED meaning into them.

Salvation is God's gift Eph. 2:8.

God's gifts are never recalled:
"for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable." Rom.11:29

God remains faithful even when man is unfaithful 2 Tim. 2:13 -"if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself."

Salvation, which comes to any man because of God's mercy and NOT any GOOD WORK on the part of man CANNOT be sustained by man's work, otherwise that would be CONTRADICTORY. Titus 3:4-7.

When God gives a guarantee he stands by it. Eph. 1:14

Bros, it won't be God taken back what he has given, but there's nothing he can do if someone rejects the gift.
Lucifer became satan remember?

You are saying because God has given the gift of salvation, even if someone who had received that gift rejects it later and becomes an atheists or a muslims or a Satanist his name will remain written in the book of life.

tintingz:
I know what immorality means and that verse is not moral to me, maybe to you.

There are alot of immoral and heartless act in the bible, quoting them all will only leads to an apologetic response from you(except you don't accept the whole Bible passages) I can see you can't even answer the verse I quoted.

Okay, open a thread on this, let's get out of here and not derail this thread. Let's do this in religion section. I'm waiting for your mention.

Proudgorgeousga:
ok

I know you'd chicken out. Good bye.

tintingz:
I said immoral (I guess that's auto-correction on your side).

Here is a verse I find immoral,

“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. (Exodus 21:7)

Do you know what immorality actually means? Of all the things, that's what you can bring up as an act of immorality?

I will let you from here, i don't think i want to engage in a baseless banter.

Have a good evening. Anytime you have a valid point, mention me.

lekkie073:
same way medical operations can be done openly in d presence of the family members of the person being operated upon. but the knowledge of the operation procedures is known only to the surgeon. tell my why is it dat its only the pastor of d church dat has the capability of cast out demons if the knowledge is actually not hidden as u believed.

Are you talking out of experience or you are saying this is really a fact? lolzzz. When you stand outside and watch people do their things through the window, you can not understand the depth of what is being done.

Listen my dear. Every believer in Christ is empowered by the Holy Spirit at redemption, but not everyone is given the same gift. Some are given the same gifts but the administration of those gifts are different.


Good News Translation 1 Corinthians 12:4-11
There are different kinds of spiritual gifts, but the same Spirit gives them.

There are different ways of serving, but the same Lord is served. There are different abilities to perform service, but the same God gives ability to all for their particular service.

The Spirit's presence is shown in some way in each person for the good of all.

The Spirit gives one person a message full of wisdom, while to another person the same Spirit gives a message full of knowledge.

One and the same Spirit gives faith to one person, while to another person he gives the power to heal.

The Spirit gives one person the power to work miracles; to another, the gift of speaking God's message; and to yet another, the ability to tell the difference between gifts that come from the Spirit and those that do not.

To one person he gives the ability to speak in strange tongues, and to another he gives the ability to explain what is said.

But it is one and the same Spirit who does all this; as he wishes, he gives a different gift to each person.


And, another thing is, how many people in a Church discipline themselves enough in Holiness to enable them maximize their potentials? Few.

We live in a lazy world where many wld rather depend on others than work out what they have in them.

Many are sitting in Church with far better gifts than the Pastors refuse to rise up to the occasion. Sin wouldn't let them go.

The Pastors (i mean the called of God) just put more time into God, all they do is read the Word, Fast and Pray hence; they come out shinning brighter than others. It's not becos the Holy Spirit in them is bigger than the next person.

MrMystrO:
Smh.. End Of Thread.

Hahahahahahahaa. Hey calm down. Why the anger?

Proudgorgeousga:
I included the link and screenshot for a reason, read it.

Try using your brain for once.
And, i'm certain that if both of us are taken for a Psychiatric evaluation, you'll fall short of that evaluation.

Based on my beliefs, i have accounted for the origin of the Universe and Man, on what are you basing your stance?

And pls, i don't need to be referred to read a link, i need your personal contribution.

plainbibletruth:
These days WORDS and phrases are brandished without users knowing clearly what those words mean exactly.

So, coming to what you wrote, what exactly is meant by each of the following?:
1. "Those who will not overcome"
2. "Those who draw back"
3. "Backsliding"

They are self explanatory. They mean what they say.

Brother, when you read Revelation 1, 2, & 3, you'd see clearly that Jesus is addressing believers who may likely drop along the way. Hence; he reiterated the need for them to endure to the end. His focus was 'TILL THE END'. The price of life is at the end not at the beginning. If we get saved and drop along the way, it's over, no price.

To the Ephesian believers He said;
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Revelation:2:5

The warning is for them to return and do the first works or he will come and REMOVE THEIR CANDLE STICK.

Anyone who out of fear of persecution and dead gets separated from the LOVE OF GOD, is the one who will not overcome.
To overcome is to endure to the end.

To the Smyrnaen believers, he told them to endure till they are killed for His name sake, but what if some out of fear, draw back, will the crown of life be given to them? No sir.

Do you remember John chapter 6? Jesus taught his followers about communion. The need for them to eat his flesh and drink his blood, they didn't understand that and turn back and stopped following Him.

Yes, many drops by and stops following.

Judas ischariot was called just like every Apostle. The power to heal, cast out demons raise the dead, was given to him as they were sent out by the master, but greed and poor judgement got the better part of him, he backslid and got his name erased from the Book of Life.

Apostle Paul said, i run with a focus that at the end i might obtain... A race can be ran in vain without obtaining the price. He said i have fought a good fight, i have finished my course, i have kept the faith, now what is left for me is the crown..., until he finished his race, the crown was not his.

Fearing not to have ran the race in vain, in Philipians 2:16 he said;
Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

Finally, those who put their hands in the plough, yet look back, are those who are although are saved, but won't finish the course.

Sarassin:
Yes, I remember you mentioned that a while ago, it sounds tough and I'm really sorry to hear that, glad to hear you're on the mend.

Thanks baby.

lekkie073:
no. I mean they have hidden powers their followers are unaware about. d power doesn't have to come from Satan.

How is this hidden if it's not from satan? Only satan hides and shrouds things which are not suppose to be mystery look mysterious.

The Holy Spirit is open and whoever is used by the Holy Spirit hides nothing.

Prayer is done openly and whatever happens happens openly.

So, if you insist that TBJ uses hidden powers you must be saying he draws his powers from satan.

tintingz:
Fear of Yahweh you said? The fear of Yahweh that makes people act immoral and hearless in your holy book?

It will be wise if you quote where the Holy Book enjoins immortality.

Proudgorgeousga:
The emboldened part of your comment sounds weird. it is not normal.

Why do you say it's not normal?

Sarassin:
It's always good to ask questions, even for asking sake.
@bolded You should not need to take an analgesic if you are already healed.

I had a fracture as a result, i had to carry a plate inside of me and it gives me a hell of pain from time to time. This caused me to be on analgesics, but i stopped.

hopefulLandlord:
which "reaction" exactly have you seen from me here? are you just trying hard to make me look bad by seeing reactions where there's none? or are you finding it hard to read?

which one is it?

Yes, i can read. And here are your unsympathetic remarks.

hopefulLandlord:
Just in case.

Just in case what?

hopefulLandlord:
Another one, only to be used if it hits front-page

All you're interested in is banter, not empathy.


I know it gives you a kick to rebel against God, but here are humans just like you. Show a little sympathy.

lekkie073:
have u ever wondered why a christian like TB Joshua can easily perform miracles and his fellow congregation cannot?

have u ever wondered why Islamic clerics r being patronized for special prayers and requests?

what differentiate TB Joshua from his fellow eongregation is that he is occultic and they r not. same goes for the Islamic clerics.

You mean the source of their power is satan?

lekkie073:
occult knowledge is not hidden as such. the same way the knowledge of medicine is not hidden. you need to be tutored in both before u can be knowledgeable in them. while a doctor research the hidden chemicals contained in a particular plant for medicinal purpose, the same goes for the occultist.
while an ordinary christian will pray normally, the occult christian believes there are things he would do that can make his prayers have more vibrations.

any miracle performing Christian is an occultic christian.
QED!

Shey you have come again with your Ocult Christian talk? There's nothing like Ocult Christian.

Occults hides, they takes oaths of secrecy to become an initiates, they go through rigours before one can become an initiate.

Occult and Christian can not be in the same sentence.

Billyonaire:
I left active Christianism as an ordained Elder under the Melchizedek Priesthood. I am not chauvinistic anymore. I embrace all religions now. Today, I was teaching my wife about Islam, so you see. I am not under any dogma. I am free.

You were a catholic priest?

alexialin:
If he doesn't believe in God but he has a good heart and good character with a great conscience? And rich?

Then yes I will marry him.

With time, his psychology about God Will. Change thru me

What do you think will condition his good character, good heart and a good conscience? Lol, no one can manifest these traits you mentioned without the fear of YHWH.

Proudgorgeousga:


https://www.mentalhelp.net/articles/positive-symptoms-of-schizophrenia-the-psychotic-dimension/

Lolzzz. What have you said?

Sarassin:
I cannot say anything about traditional methods but I know a tiny bit about the classical method of viewing auras. Our bodies produce minute amounts of electrical energy through muscle movements as well as brain activities, the result of this is that we are all ensconced in a sort of a subtle electromagnetic field. First we have a very thin layer of an etheric electro-magnetic field that can be seen as a cloudy, greyish smokey thin layer of no more than a few millimetres extending from the skin, this can be seen with the naked eyes under the right conditions.
The Aura itself is harder to see without training or second sight, however, there are chemical solutions that can be used to bathe the eyes, I do not recommend this.

I know you said i shd not trust Rampa, but i read about Auras from Him. He talked about it extensively in "The Third Eye". And, it doesn't interest me at this moment tho.

Sarassin:
Some practitioners I have met tell me they view the aura as vivid colours, I see the aura more as a hazy colour grouping extending from the body much as you will see a rainbow where there are no clear definitions between the colours. But there is no hiding, the colours tell their own story. For me, the aura is best viewed in the astral. There is a spiritual dimension there, the aura can be cleansed, imbalances restored and aspects enhanced by a practitioner.

This doesn't interest me.

Sarassin:
One of the most beneficial uses of viewing the aura is in the area of healing. Our body organs give off electrical impulses and these impulses each have their own signatures with accompanying auric electromagnetic field. A good practitioner will recognise these and counsel accordingly. But it does not end there, there is a preventative aspect. Electrical impulses given off by our organs affect the colours of our auras and tell us that attention is required, but in most cases, the electrical signatures of our organs will indicate a change in our auras long before the actual illness has manifested in the organ itself even up to a month before.

If i remember correctly, this is where Acupuncture comes in right?

Well, I asked babalawos the question of benefits not for myself, but for asking sake. Satan has got nothing that i want.
I personally depend on the great Physician whose name is Jesus, for healing. I operate in divine health.

It's been 3yrs and i have not swallowed a Vitamin or any analgesic for whatever reason and so shall it be as long as i'm conscious and as long as the blood of Jesus is still effective.

Sarassin:
In some cases, for reasons that are not explicit, the aura can even indicate severe trauma to a body long before the event occurs.
Sorry Cara Mia I know you do not like long posts!

Sorry, Mia Caro for making you write all these. Anyways, i hope someone finds it helpful, because it's not to me.

dalaman:
The bible is just the writings and opinions of others that lacks total evidence. So you believe it without any evidence. Why dot you believe in Otem's Dofuctus? He claims he got it from the ultimate God. It is also in writing just like the bible.

Let me tell you why i believe in the Bible and maybe you shd tell me why i shd believe in what Otem claims afterwards.

The Bible says God created the Universe and in the universe, he put the Sun to give it's light by Day, the Moon and stars to give their lights by night. And their purpose is to cause seasons. And He said, no one can change these course.
Nothing has ever been able to change the course.

When it's day, the sun comes out, and at night the moon and stars. If someone or something else can alter that course, then i'll doubt God.

Secondly, the Bible told me that God created man in his image, and likeness. I lost a friend recently. He slept and didn't wake up. He lived alone so no one knew he had died until 4days. Decomposition had started taking place. His lifeless body was without consciousnesses. It could not longer function and interact with this realm, the real him was gone out of his body.

Considering this, i believe the God who said, When he took clay and moulded it, it was lying on the ground lifeless, until he breath into it, it became the living soul, got up and began to move.

Although, Man had become a living soul, but without a mind, which is his consciousness, he won't be able to take rational and intentional decisions which will enable him represent himself and affect his immediate environment. Hence, God imputed into him His likeness.

I see that only humans have this attributes so, i believe what the Bibles says.

Thirdly. The Bible says, God created all things, Man, Animals and Plants to reproduce according to their kind. And it has been so. As much as we have different species of Mango, one doesn't reproduce the other, so also animals and Man.


God created man, male and female for the purpose of procreation. He commanded them to have kids and fill the earth with their kind. And i am told that Adam knew his wife(Had sex) and she got pregnant and had Cain and Able and Seth down to me, looking like him.

Till today, children are still being brought into the world by taking a part of a woman and that of a man and bring them together. No other way.

Women still go through 9 months gestation period for the baby to mature, not less. Labour pains is still everyone woman's ordeal as Genesis said.

Everything still depart out of this earth by dying according to the Bible. Why shd i wait until God appears standing before me before i believe Him?


Now call Otem up to tell me what his Doctofus says about his beliefs.
I'm waiting up.