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SharonLoveth:
My Lord is even more than 100 pages, in Quran the author of quran recognized Jesus more than Muhammad it is to shows that Jesus is highly exalted here on earth and in heaven, NO ONE IS LIKE HIM

this type of comment is devoid of substance. What exactly does this prove? Moses is mentioned more than Jesus in the QUR'AN. Why don't you give Moses the same accord?

SharonLoveth:
Like I said earlier; if I want to tell you WHO JESUS CHRIST IS, 50 pages is not enough even 100 pages not enough to talk about him. I Love Jesus Christ so much, he is my husband, my father, my saviour, his name is numerous

100 pages in order to prove if Jesus is God or not? fantastic

This is not love but ignorance and emotions. Let knowledge and wisdom prevail over ignorance and emotions.

SharonLoveth:
Jesus Christ didn't placed himself above his father, Jehovah, Yahweh, Elohim. If I should ask you, are you superior more than your own father at home?

you go confused yourself tire. But in the screenshot of the QUR'AN verses you said they prove Jesus is God. You said it yourself

SharonLoveth:
I only told you Jesus Christ is God with proofs from Biblical references.

In your post @underlined above you acknowledged that Jesus is God which means he's above his Father. Now you twisted again that Jesus is not above his Father Are you confused or what?. You see distortion and confusion in christiandom now?. Your eyes go clear las las

SharonLoveth:
God bless you for accepting that you made mistake but next time don't just overlook try and read, it will help youThanks.. As I did for the question you asked about Mary I will do the same, but try scrolling up, read the little I wrote about Jesus Christ. I gave that short explanation based on your question. If I want to talk on WHO IS JESUS CHRIST, 50 pages won't be enough to do so here but scroll up as I said and read the little I said about him base on your first question.

When are you going to answer my questions?

oh if you talking about the screenshot, that doesn't proof his divinity.i already answered that. You missed it too. It is rather your own imaginary interpretation. Those verses are clear.

"Spirit from God". Even with this shows that his spirit came from another Entity, supreme Being. Which means there is Higher power than Jesus. Don't you understand English again?. And I explained to you that the same spirit was bestowed on Adam.


Q38:72, Q15:29

"So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [spirit], then fall down to him in prostration."


Those verses are talking about Adam and this same process applies to every human being. Why don't you call average human beings God as well or are these verses talking about Jesus, too?.


Verse Q3:47 you quoted, how does this make Jesus God?. The verse says Angel Gabriel appeared to Mary in human form. How does this make Jesus God?.


To clarify your confusion, Quran makes it crystal clear that the same way Adam was created was the same way Jesus was created and they are both human beings.


The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. Q 3:59


QUR'AN is clear unless and ofcourse, if you are not looking for the truth. You are the one confusing yourself. You quoted QUR'AN sura 10:94-95 to ask you but this is what you could come up with?. What a disappointment

SharonLoveth:
If you want to quote my Monika, pls do base on what I tagged you with...

WHERE DID I SAID JESUS IS EQUAL TO Jehovah, Yahweh, Elohim? I only told you Jesus Christ is God with proofs from Biblical references.

Damn! This is what I'm talking about. This is what I wanted to hear from you. Now you are bold enough to say it instead of going in cycle all the time.

So Jesus is God. Fantastic!

That means Jesus created the world?. Only God can create the world. So now that "Jesus is God", who is the Father that Jesus is talking about below?



"I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me" John 8:18



Even detailed here in the next verse



"The Father who sent Me has Himself testified about Me. You have not heard His voice at any time, and you haven't seen His form" John 5:37

We all know that Father means God. So there is no need to waste time on that. My question is, Father mentioned in these verses is same as Jesus or different entity?

Are you asking me who is Jehovah, Yahweh, etc? YOU HAVE SHIFTED THE GOAL POST AS USUAL?

actually this question is perfectly in line with this subject at hand.

Try to answer my questions, stop using unacceptable tactics to escape them or better still, just accepted the fact that you're a failure

I'm sorry, I don't recall your question. You are free to ask again

advocatejare:
You started stupidity and you were given a dose of your pills and you're here crying.

Next time, don't start what u cant finish because I'll give you fire for fire.

I don't recall having chat with you on this platform. So I don't know what "dose" you are talking about

ifiokjohn:
Ok. But before they do. We don't you and I continue our own in the WhatsApp.
Chat me up na or send ur whatsapp msge

Wait for it

ifiokjohn:
ok den do add me.
Got some questions of my own.
If that isn't Jesus being referred to then..in the Daniel 7:13-14 then who else was been referred too?
Whose kingdom will be eternal without coming to an end.

don't worry. You will meet Muslim scholars of the bible there . They are young guys

ifiokjohn:
You can add me up to the group no worries. But also do chat me up too.
This battle is between me and you

I will urge them to add you

ifiokjohn:
feel which heat? Seriously?
I'm just not Someone that do group chat. I don't even participate in my department own except once awhile.

I don't either. I simply watch and learn. But I'm sure they will test you apart. I sent just Daniel 7 you quoted and they already start bombarding with replies. They will test you sissy and you will realize you know nothing of the bible.

Let just send some

This is just tip of iceberg

ifiokjohn:
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lol I respect that. You already feel the heat .

Well if they add you you have option to opt out but before you do so let them know your preference

advocatejare:
It's you and your rotten dead prophet that is expired.

I'm alive and will continue to be, my Jesus is alive. I follow the one who can give life. You follow the one who can only offer you death and calamities. But it's not too late for you. Stop following the best of the deceivers, Al-makireena

dialogue with your fellow Christians have been doing did without anyone insult another. Your comment is the very reason I don't like to dialogue with you because you have no sense. Your fellow Christians have been respective. You and other clown don't deserve my attention

ifiokjohn:
Bros can we talk about this on WhatsApp no more. Nairaland is tiring. It not easy for me to divide your replies and give mine. What's app will be more easier for me.
Add me up on 08167623573 or send me ur digits let me do this adding.

By the way Daniel 7:13-14 was talking about Christ.
He said everything Dominion was given to the person forever.
It said one like the son of Man... ( Who is acknowledged as such if not Jesus)
And there is no how God will give a beast Dominion forever and ever and all nations will bow to him and his kingdom will have no end... Even the devil was given a limited no of time on Earth ...so how come God will give a beast forever?

Read that portion well abeg...

you sure you want to do this? . I so much love your proposal . This is where you will be nailed. This is where your eyes go open because, though, I rarely talk religion on WhatsApp but if you don't mind I have to forward your number to WhatsApp Muslim/Christian comparative religion Your will know that i be pikin dealing with you here compared to them. And make sure you give them your best shots. You will come to NL to testify to what I told you before, that Muslims still teach you your Bible. So it is WhatsApp group with other Christiana. Maybe you will spice it up. Are you ready?. Don't be surprised if you get invite.

advocatejare:
Didn't you read in the same literature that he was buried the same day after his body had been well prepared and he resurrected the third day and He's alive forever.

But your own literature said Muhammad died after years of agony from the poison he ate at Khaibar, he had his aorta cut and died while on the chest of Aisha with the two of them exchanging saliva.

Muhammad's dead body was left unattended to for 3 days and he wasn't offered a bathe as stipulated in your tradition. He died filthy and was buried filthy and remained rotten in the grave.

Thatfair.guy1 also knows this

Iwo o si sinu aye jare. You have expired

ifiokjohn:
We see in Daniel 7:3 we see he said in his vision he saw one like the son of man coming he approached the ancient of days( God) and was led to his presence where all power and dominiom was given to him forever.. his kingdom will have no end..
You see...I have just given you another passage from the old testament Bible talking about Jesus..

see another fraud. This is talking about Jesus?. Jesus story is NT Wetin concerned Daniel and Jesus .

The verse you quoted has nothing to do with Jesus at all. I haven't seen any biblical exegesis that related this with Jesus. You are so funny. Okay let's assume it is talking about Jesus. This is the verse


After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

It is talking about some demons in succession. So Jesus was part of the demon, I guess.

Abi you go talk Say this one na fraud too.

Yes. In all the 10 commentaries I read about this verse only one tried to relate it with "blood of Jesus". It doesn't take PhD to realize this attempt was fraudulent

I don't know what you mean by Hebrew writers was a fraud. He never told you Jesus was equal to God. From that passage you can even see who is Greater Jehovah. For him to tell Jesus to sit on his right.

So who are we to believe now?. You and SharonLoveth are trying to prove Jesus is equal to God. One of you even said he's God. Now you are contradicting yourself. You guys are confusionists. You are not confident in your doctrine. Maybe you need to read yourself and SharonLoveth's posts and you get to see that you guys are claiming Jesus is God or equal to God. That's why I asked clear cut question but none of you answered.

And yes Jesus is the son of God. He is God yes but not equal with Jehovah. God almighty. That's why we call Jesus the mighty God and Jehovah almighty..

See again here you said again Jesus is God . God forbid 8 can never be Christian. See confusion. Okay let's do it this way.

Who is Jehovah?

Who is Yahweh?

Who is God?

Who is Jesus?

Are these 4 entities same person or 4 different beings?

These are the real teachings of Jesus before Paul changed them


FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE:

1. Shahada (testimony of faith - Mark 12:29)

2. Salat (daily practical prayers - Matthew 26:39)

3. Zakah (annual aims giving not tithes - Hebrew 10:24)

4. Fasting (Ramadan - Matthew 4:1-1)

5. Hajj (Psalm 84:5-6)




THE TRUTH FROM THE BIBLE



Wudhi (ABLUTION) IN THE BIBLE
Leviticus. 19:27
Leviticus. 21:5
Jeremiah. 9:25
1 chronicles. 19:5
Exodus. 30:17
Exodus. 40:30
John. 13:4



HOW TO DRESS IN THE BIBLE
Exodus. 28:1


WOMEN SHOULDN'T SPEAK IN CHURCH
Ezekiel. 13:17
Corinthians. 14:34-38
Tito. 2:3
1 Timothy. 2:11
Revelation. 2:19
1 timothy. 2:8


HOW TO WORSHIP IN THE BIBLE
Genesis. 17:1
Psalm. 95: 6
Ezekiel. 43:3
Kings. 18:39
Psalm. 5:7
Numbers. 20:6
Nehemiah. 8:6
Matthew. 26:36
Matthew. 17:1
Revelation. 7:9



IS WINE/PORK ALLOWED
Leviticus. 11:7
Deuteronomy. 14:8
Isaiah. 65:3
Proverbs. 31:3
Isaiah. 4:11
Amos. 6:5-7
Habakkuk. 2:15
Leviticus. 10:8
Isaiah. 66:17

PROPHECY OF MOHAMMED IN THE BIBLE
Genesis. 49:10
Genesis. 16:7-14
Deuteronomy. 18:18
Deuteronomy. 34:10
Jeremiah. 34:18
Isaiah. 21:13
Isaiah. 19:19
Daniel. 7:13
Mathew. 21:33-43
Galatians. 4:21
John. 1:19-22
John. 14:30
John. 16:7-14
Act. 7:37
John. 14:15
Revelation. 7:9-12
Revelation. 19:10-16

SHARIAH IN THE BIBLE
Deuteronomy. 6:1
Deuteronomy. 13:-1-11
Deuteronomy. 22:13-22
Deuteronomy. 21:18-21
Deuteronomy. 22:25
Mathew. 15:3
Joshua. 1:18
Hebrews. 10:28
Leviticus. 20:9-16
Leviticus. 20:27



According to the Islamic doctrine, Muslims should believe in all the prophets sent by Allah almighty among the prophet are Adam, Noah, Jacob, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and lives (Quran 3:84)

SharonLoveth:
You're an author of CONFUSION, were you sleeping when typing? You said We can't see angels not until I shown you how Muhammad had a physical contact with Angel Jibril before readjusting your initial claims.

On Mary, how many times am I going to answer that? Or you're using this tactics to avoid answering my questions?

whether you answered my questions or not, this is what your problem is. Until you can unravel this confusion in christiandom, Bible will continue to be under microscope.









We live in a world where 2 + 2 = 5

Just as 1 + 1 +1 = 1

If you are confused

Who is god?, Jesus

Is Jesus the son of Mary?, Yes

Who created Mary?, God.

Who is God?, Jesus

Jesus is the begotten son., Yes

Who is his father?, God.

Who is God?, Jesus.

Jesus is a servant of God?, Yes

Who is God?, Jesus.

Jesus died on the cross?Yes

Who resurrected him?, God.

Who is God?, Jesus

Jesus is a messenger?, Yes

Who sent him?, God.

Who is God?, Jesus.

Did Jesus worship while on earth?, Yes

Whom did he worship?, God.

Who is God?, Jesus.

Did God have a beginning?, No

Then who was born on 25 DEC?, Jesus.

Who is God?, Jesus

Where's God?, In heaven

How many are there in heaven?, Only one God.

Where's Jesus?, He is sitted on the right hand of his father.

Who is God?, Jesus.

Then how many are they in heaven?, Only one God

Then how many seats?, One

Where's Jesus?, Seated next to God.

Then how are they seated?, On one chair

Its only understood by those with the holy spirit.

Who is God? Jesus.

Ha haha what a confusion.

So beautiful to be a Muslim.

Allah (SWT) have mercy on us all and grant us His straight path for us not to go astray



ifiokjohn

SharonLoveth:
You're an author of CONFUSION, were you sleeping when typing? You said We can't see angels not until I shown you how Muhammad had a physical contact with Angel Jibril before readjusting your initial claims.

On Mary, how many times am I going to answer that? Or you're using this tactics to avoid answering my questions?

okay..I must have skipped that by mistake. Good God created Mary. So who's Jesus, God or man?.

Don't tell me you answered this already and please don't come up with blood, water, spirit etc. Answer is yes or no. Is Jesus God?

ifiokjohn:
God sits on a throne and my Bible said that.
You know the problem with you Muslims...anytime what the Bible says do not conform to your believe...your next word will be the Bible is wrong or corrupted.

this is your belief and you are entitled to it. I tried to open your mind to see flaw in your RELIGIOUS texts.

Now talking about Throne...even Jesus Christ said about throne of God when he was teaching his disciples...about Oath swearing. " He said do not swear to heaven cause there is the throne of God. " Jesus said that not me.

what I dislike most about you is talk without reference. Even though I know your references sometimes I chose to ignore. Reason you can't quote in most cases is because most of you guys heard these things from pastors without knowing details.

Lol If Humans preexisted in heaven as you said... Let's assume that is true... Then Jesus Christ must be the luckiest soul to have existed doing that time and told to sit besides God while God makes his enemies his footstool.

you don start again?. In what context Bible talks about sitting besides God?. Isn't after his alleged ascension

Now I want to ask... do those souls in heaven have enemies? Who is doing enemity with them?...why will God tell Jesus to sit at his right hand till he makes his enemies his footstool?

refer to your Bible in the story of crucifixion.

That's Psalm110:1. That was David( man after God heart) saying the Lord said to my Lord sit at my right until I make your enemies your footstool.

this referred to who and what are you trying to prove?. I don't want to be too forward on this. Your reply to this specific verse will determine my response.

Now I want to ask you, why will David call a soul "His Lord?"
Quran said David is a Prophet isn't that so? So as a Prophet David saw a vision with God telling Jesus to sit at his Right hand till he makes his enemies his footstool.

oh I see. Psalms 110:1 refer to Jesus, abi?. Your problem is translation. You need to revisit original Hebrew text for proper understanding. The person addressed in Psalm 110:1 (Jews believe he's David, Christians believe he's Jesus) was never actually called "God". He was called "Adoni", which is a term given to human kings for honor and respect (my Lord, my king, etc...).


Notice the liars of the English translators from the polytheist trinitarian pagans say "The LORD said to my Lord...." to create the impression that "LORD" is used for both GOD and Jesus equally in a sense that the two are the same in one; that Jesus is equal to GOD and he is GOD! May they burn in Hell for Eternity for all of the lies they invented against GOD Almighty. Ameen! Their deliberate choice in using "lord" twice as opposed to using the more proper translation such as "GOD said to my master"......

Now I think you should really apologize for calling Jesus just a man.. how can King David call ordinary just man' his own Lord? Bro think na.

what was he if he was more than a man?. Is Jesus God?. Yes or No?

By the way Yes God is above his Throne...but then what is the essence of making a Throne if you won't sit on it?
What the reasons God made a throne if he won't sit on it...please explain to me.

lol ba tan. You ended up with my submission. Now, are you ready to learn about throne from islamic perceptive?

You keep bringng Paul. Paul wasn't even there when Jesus died.
The book of Mathew, Luke, John clarified that Jesus died and those books where written by Those disciples of Jesus.

even better. So you didn't see footprint of Paul in all of these?.

Yes I can believe that Jesus died for my sins...now you will say why will Jesus die when God can easily forgive when you ask...I don't have an answer to that

gbagaun you swim in your own confusion. You guys need to come to Muslims to teach you Bible. You don't know anything but you think you do. With your eyes wide open you don't see your confusion and contradiction?. I don't blame you actually. Jesus himself caused the problems for you guys because, his message was only for the lost sheep of Israel. But as for the gentiles, he spoke to them in parables so that they would not understand. The reason is Jesus doesn't want you to be forgiven that's why he didn't communicate in plain language to the gentiles. He knew that if you understood his message you will turn away from worshipping him and calling him God, son of God, spirit and all that types of rubbish he didn't call himself and sick for forgiveness. But he didn't want you to be forgiven. Jesus himself said that you will see the texts but you will never understand it even if it is explained to you by muslims only few of you will understand how true message.

Read Matthew 13 from verse 10


10. His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?


11. He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them

You can see verse 11, the gentiles like you can not understand. But he spoke clearly to the Israelites.

13. This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand

Read further and you realized that your heart had been sealed centuries ago. It is a curse on every Christian by Jesus. You will read texts of the bible but you will never understand. Read 15.

Read verse 16 he's talking to his desciples because those are the people he was sent not you. You are just wasting your time.


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I refer you to the time when people kill animal as an offering to God t forgive thier sins... Now I ask why will God ask them to kill animals when he can just forgive them their sins?

don't jump the gun. Animal sacrifice was later option. First option was human sacrifice to test Abraham's faith. Then replaced with animal till today. Now Christian brought back human sacrifice by claiming blood of innocent man must be shed to redeem them. How absurd this is.

If you have an answer to that then you will have an answer to Jesus dying for our sins.

this is fabrication and scam of all time.
The 6th commandment of “Do Not Murder” is clear and its consequences are elaborated in Genesis 9:6; “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed. Hebrews 5:7-8 even gives clear picture that Jesus didn't want to die. He sobbed and scared.


"During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered"


Now, why would Jesus die for your sin when your Bible said this?. Ezekiel 18:20


The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.


See also Deuteronomy 24:16, 2 CHRONICLES 25:4

See a Perfect man( Adam) failed man
Another perfect man( Jesus) had to redeem man.
Back then there was no perfect man. None absolutely was perfect enough like Adam was before his fall so none could redeem man except the son ofGod who agree to come ND die in order to savea Man.

perfect man you said . A "perfect man" that went to steal on a farm that didn't belong to him, Matthew 12:1 Jesu ati awon emewa re lo si oko oloko lo ji agbado alagbado

You know if Paul was really a false teacher then Jesus would've told his disciples.

Isn't obvious you don't read your Bible?. Many times Paul confessed to lying or caught lying


"For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?" (Rom. 3.7)

This is where christians learned evangelism by lie.


"Though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved. But be it so: ... nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with deceit." (2 Cor. 12.15-16)



As a "man that strive for the mastery" (1 Cor. 9.25), Paul expounds to the church leaders the modus operandi of the successful propagandist:

"I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, that I might gain them that are without law. ... I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake" (1 Cor. 9.19-23).



And he admits to the church of Corinth: "I robbed other churches ... to do you service" (2 Cor. 11.. What did the church tell you to secure your commitment to Christianity? Was your preacher, minister or priest like Paul?. Examples exhibited by Paul is exactly what many pastors and Christians do today especially in NIGERIA.

Remember when Paul got blind on his way to Damascus...it was Jesus who told one of his disciples to go to him and heal him cause he has prepare him for a great mission ahead. So I wonder why you people can't think

Paul never met Jesus. Open your eyes. Paul was a scammer. He changed everything Jesus stood for.



Therefore let us leave principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Hebrews 6:1


This is clear enough that what Christians believe it's Paul teachings not Jesus. Paul taught "blood of Jesus", trinity, divinity of Jesus, sonship etc

So I wonder why you will call Paul false teacher.

enough said above

Yes I agree it unjust to crucify one man for the sins of others...
But nevertheless that was what God wanted.

see you there. You recognized fact I'm telling you and still confused yourself?. God didn't want it human blood sacrifice. This is Paul's pagan teaching.

SharonLoveth:
I don't think you know what you're saying at times; this is what you said about Angels



You gave angels as an example of spiritual beings we can't see, read your posts over and over before pressing submitting button

ain't got time for any analysis. Spirit is a vague word used to describe different unseen entities. Spirit is used for Angels, Jinns, UFOs and for human soul after death. It depends on how it is used and in the context it is used. What is infused (ruh) in the womb of mother during pregnancy was the same spirit of God breathed in Mary that gave life to Jesus(p).

So the question you refused to answer point blank is, Is Jesus God?. If so, who created Mary?

ifiokjohn:
even with the ark of convenent we see a precizs lllustration of a Throne.
So I don't know what you talking about that God doesn't sit on a throne.
Even Jesus Christ said the Earth is God footstool. For someone to have a footstool he must sit on something oga.
He said do not swear by heaven for there is the throne of God.
Jesus himself knows that God has a throne and he said it.
Of all the visions of heaven all prophets has had we see they always talk about a throne and one sitting on it whose face is like lightening etc.

This is blasphemy. If God sits on His throne it means God is restricted. It means He depends on his creation, throne. So if your Bble says God sits on the throne, Bible is faulty. Besides, i will like for you to quote the Bible verse yourself for us to see. Most likely the statement was made by unknown author. Bible is full of Blasphemous statements.

Jesus is greater than John because even John said it . Remember what he told the Pharisees that " Though he baptize with water but one that will come will baptize with fire whose shoe he can not remove.
Who is greater than him) here is John acknowledging even though John is older than Jesus. He acknowledged that Jesus preexisted before him... If so, then it means your quran talk about preexistance as soul is wrong because if soul preexisted as you put it then John and Jesus would have been on same footing/ equality but even John agrees he is by no means equal and even asked Jesus to baptize him instead of him doing the baptism
Tell me which prophet have been talked about like that? None.

you are just going in cycle here. I think I asked you a simple question before. I also said every human being preexisted and I quoted verses from Quran how every human being made covenant with God but when we come to earth we have no memory. I also said that your unborn children at this moment, where do yo think they are right now?. As for who is greater than who is pretty much irrelevant to muslims. We have been cautioned by Quran to be careful of making distinctions amongst prophet and messangers. The most important thing is, Jesus was a full human being like you and I. The only thing that distinguished him from us is becuase he was a prophet, messanger and strengthened with Ruh Qudus by God.

Even the Bible passage you brought about King Uzziah death we can see it talked about the prophet seeing the Lord sit on his throne. Is that not all we are saying.
Call it whatever. It was avision about heaven which that prophet saw.
God won't give a prophet a fake vision about heaven...abi would he?

Just becuase I quote from your ible doesnt mean I take everthing there hook, line and sinker. Bible is full of blasphemous statements. Have ever came across the bool, "Who Wrote The Bible?" by Richard Friedman?. That should open your eyes. Back in 2015 I talked a lot about authors of the Bible. There are so many unknown authors which makes Bible unreliable. God doesnt sit on His throne. Rather, He is above His throne. I quoted Quran to back this up before.

We are told Jesus Christ came to the Earth to die for our salvation...he took flesh and became man.
Jesus had to be man in order to suffer for our sins. He has to feel.the pain man felt, the joy, the anguish.. he has to eat like we do and shit or whatsover in other to be the perfect candidate for that.
One Adam( Human) lost the key of life....the second Adam ( Jesus) had to gain that key back for man salvation.

You christian keep shooting yourselves in the foot. first all, I quoted before that "God is not a man" Numbers 23:19. Who are we to believe, you or your Bible?. Second, if he wanted to die for your sin, why then he dried to God on the cross? Matthew 27:45-50

The whole idea of Jesus dying for your sin was idea of Paul not teachings of Jesus. Paul changed Jesus teaching. what Jesus taught was you pray to God for forgiveness of sin not "blood of Jesus". Paul’s rationale is without foundation. His knowledge of “science” was limited to what he knew of Old Testament stories. If one acknowledges the truth of evolution, then one must also acknowledge that Paul’s conclusion, “Jesus Died For Our Sins” is based on a false, Old Testament verse and therefore cannot be true.

Theological Problem I

Paul is the only person in the world to write that Jesus died to redeem you from the sin of Adam and Eve. Jesus never said that his death was to redeem anyone. Is it likely that God would rely on a man whose teachings were diametrically opposite (faith vs works, Gentiles vs Jews) to those of his “Son” to pass on the most important idea in all of Christianity? Is it probable that God would let the salvation of all mankind rest on one man’s single sentence which is entirely opposite to the message Jesus presented in the synoptic gospels? Why would God, all of the sudden, change the message that He sent His "only begotten Son" here to promulgate? And why would he entrust this HUGE change to be disseminated by a mere mortal?

This is a BIG problem.


That line of reasoning aside, exactly how would “God sacrificing Himself to Himself to save Christians from Himself” work? How does that remove the sin of Adam and Eve? It is only by the convoluted thought process of Paul that you are saved because of the God/Jesus “sacrifice”. Surly an omnipotent, omniscient, loving, merciful, just God who created everything in six days could come up with something other than killing himself/his son. How about just declaring forgiveness?. This is mean Bible lied about forgiveness and justice. It is unjust to crucify one man for the sin of mankind. But, for the sake of argument, let’s grant that “Jesus died for our sins”. In that case, then the sin is gone. Why is it required that one has to believe in Jesus’ Resurrection in order to be saved? The sin of Adam and Eve was redeemed with Jesus’ death. It’s gone! It’s no more – ever! Once and for all. It’s off the backs of everyone who lives after Jesus’ death. What then, does believing in Jesus’ Resurrection have to do with being free from original sin? It has already been redeemed. Why are you only “saved” if you believe that Jesus was Resurrected? What does one’s belief have to do with salvation? But that’s another story.



The Credibility of Paul

Because Paul’s “Jesus Died For Your Sins” theology is the centerpiece of Christian doctrine, it is incumbent to investigate Paul’s credibility. There are several reasons to doubt that Paul has any credibility whatsoever.


# Paul has no God given authority to speak. Seeing an apparition does not give one the authority to speak for God.

# At one point, Paul does claim his knowledge comes from “Revelation” but it is faulty and contradicts what Jesus taught (Hebrews 6:1). He does not elaborate on this “Revelation”.

# Paul contradicts himself.

#Paul makes promises of things that did not happen.


There is no such thing as Jesus died for sin of the wrld". The Bible says

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die". Ezekiel 18:20

Jesus has the power to forgive sins.
And he gave that power to his followers, his disciples.
We can see that when he healed the crippled man and ask him to rise and go...ur sins are forgiven.
Remember what the Pharisees said...who is he to forgive sins.
Is he God? Cause only God can.
Remember Jesus reply? It ur assignment...go and check his reply.

you see you going in cycle again. cant you people think things out?. This is why Christianity makes no sense. If he can forgive sin, why must he shed his blood to save the world?/ If he wants to forgive he could simply just forgive, isnt?. At the same time you said he is God and also his own creation nailed him on the cross. Please think things out.

He had the power to forgive sins...no prophet, not Moses, not Elijah, not Muhammad not anyone could forgive sins...but Jesus gave those authority to his followers before his departure.
Remember his words " what you lose on Earth has been lose in heaven and what you bound.on Earth has been bound in heaven.
All power in heaven and on Earth has been given to me.... I don't think any prophet have ever been given authority in heaven and on Earth..damn even Muhammad can't even forgive sins.
Because Jesus Christ didn't forgive his crucifiers doesn't mean he can't forgive sins...

Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. John 5:19


"I can of mine own self do nothing:.." John 5:30

If Jesus forgive sin, whats the essence of "Thy Lord's prayer"?. He taught the people how to pray and ask for God for forgiveness.

What school did you go to again? Cause it suck really..
Haba you more intelligent and matured than this.
We also see Jesus Christ forgiving a thief crucified with him...saying he assure him..he will be in paradise with him.
Humans can only forgive those who wrong them. But Jesus forgave humans for all their sins and not because they wronged him.

Empty talk without evidence

Luke28 you read...he said Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
Meanihg he asked his father to forgive them.
He can easily forgive them by himself he wanted too. After all he even told the adultress they wanted to stone to death after he saved her...he said , woman go...ur sins are forgiven.
See him in that instance forgiving a woman who he didn't know and who hasn't wrong him but forgiveing her sins she committed against God and her husband( cheating)

This is Father(God) forgiving them. Anyone can forgive anyone. How is this big deal?. We have seen American Muslim dad whose son was killed and he forgave killer of his son but the law didnt forgive the killer. We have seen Iranian woman whose son was murdered and he forgave the killer and asked Iranian court to forgive her son's killer in the last seconds to execution and the guy was forgiven. Where problem lies is if someone doesn't ask for forgiveness until death, ONLY GOD decides to forgive or punish. No human being can do that not even Jesus. We can only forgive sin we committed against or amongst ourselves.

Where did I say we cannot see angels? Have never said that...ever.
Afterall we even see Jecob fight with an angel..we saw balak saw an angel etc.
So I wonder where I said that.

No, Jacob fought and beat up God Genesis 32:28

By the way Jesus didn't just see God..he sit besides God.

his one is boring. You may never uderstand.

And by the way...no one has seen God. No one can see God and live.

Oh yea?. But Jacob seen God and he lived


"So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.” Genesis 32:300

In the passage you quoted...they saw one sit on a throne who they presume to be God..his face was like lightening.
They never saw his face...if they did..they would have described how God looked like...
..but Jesus Christ has seen God cause he is God son....he is the word of God....

No, he did not. being 'son of God" is not automatic ticket to see him.

The only way to God doing the period of Moses was through God. Foollow the Commandment of God and you sure of heaven...you didn't need a prophet.

Jesus Christ is coming back to judge everyone. Yes he will judge christians, he will judge the judge, he will judge Muslims everyone.
And his coming back doesn't just show his divinity, he shows his authority ( all power on Earth and in heaven have been given to me)

Jesus Christ even told his disciples they will.judge angels..

All these are heresies. If he is the judge, how come he will deny you guys?. Matthew 7:23

Can Muhammad guarantee his followers that? Can he guarantee his followers what will happen to them when the world end? But Jesus Christ guaranteed his own followers
But Jesus Christ is the only way to God now and forever. Jesus Christ th
en wasn't Flesh.

Guarantee his followers? but he will send them away in Matthew 7:23

By the way, yes Christians are followers of Jesus.. though I agree alot of Christians ( including me are sinners)

prove it from your bible that Christians are followers of Jesus?. Tell us what Jesus do that you do today?. Tell us where Jesus mentioned Christianity or Christian in the Bible?.

Christ disciples where first called christians in Antioch ....so they carried the name forward till this time. Because alot of Christians are sinning doesn't mean they aren't Christ followers. The true christians are Christ followers.
Christianity isn't a religion bro...it is a Convenent with Christ.

prove this from your Bible. Jesus message didnt reach Antioch His message was restricted to lost sheep of Israel. You are followers of Paul. Show me one practice of Jesus that Christians do?

SharonLoveth:
if you read and understand the Qur'an, you won't be displaying ignorance about the divinity of Jesus.

1. Qur'an tells you that Jesus is the Word of God

2. Quran also tells you that Jesus is the Spirit (Ruh) from God.

Is your word and your spirit not part of you?


Muhammad was not the spirit of God but he was rather possessed by demons

Sahih Muslim 2814:
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.[/b] "He will bring justice to the nations of the world" : Even Muslisms agree that Jesus is the one that is comingbback to the world as a just ruler

You're even comparing Jesus to Adam and other human beings. Let me ask you, IS THEIR ANYONE DEAD OR ALIVE been born of a Virgin womb Aside Jesus Christ? IS THEIR ANYONE that ever died, resurrected and alive till today aside Jesus Christ? The answer is NO.

Can you show where it is written that Jesus Christ was created from dust?

You said we cannot see Angels, but Muhammad saw Jibril twice “in the form that he was created” and on other occasions as a man resembling Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi"

You are an author of CONFUSION, you lack basic understanding of Quran and ahadith


About the creation of man this is what Qur'an says:

Quran 96:2

“We Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,”

Quran 15:26

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape"

Quran 16:4

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer"

Quran 3:59

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,”

Where did you get your own version of the quran?

You asked who created Mary? What a novice question

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Pls endeavour to read my texts and answer the questions therein as I have answered yours

all three na waste of time. Simple question you can't answer. We haven't even got to other stuff you wrote yet.

Word of God
Spirit of God etc are not evidence of divinity of Jesus. Same phrases are used for other humans.


Simpl question is,

Is Jesus God?. Answer is Yes or No ?.

Who created Mary?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH3Lrz9EwQQ

ifiokjohn:
....

I can't respond to you properly until you fix your reply

SharonLoveth:
This is your question in qoute:

"Let's see who's in doubt since you alleged QUR'AN tells us to ask you. So I am in doubt about Jesus whether he's a spirit or God, or son of God or human being and Prophet. I'm not sure. Can you please tell me who is Jesus?. I believe he's human being and a prophet but I'm not sure. Can you tell us identity of Jesus to clarify my doubt?"

This is the answer to your question


1. Jesus Christ is the SPIRIT OF GOD; read Quran 4:171a

"O People of the Book (the Jews and the Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is only a messenger of God and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him;

2. Jesus Christ is the WORD OF GOD; Quran 4:171a

"O People of the Book (the Jews and the Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is only a messenger of God and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him;


3. He Came inform of a human as he was born of a virgin; Quran 3:47

She said: “O my Lord, how shall I have a son while no human has ever touched me?” Said He: “That is how Allah creates what He wills. When He decides a matter, He simply says to it ‘Be’, and it comes to be.

4. Jesus Christ is A Prophet; Quran 5:75a

The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a prophet;

5. Jesus Christ is Son of God; John 1:34

And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.


JESUS CHRIST IS ALL WHAT YOU SAID, He came in form of a man born of virgin womb, Jesus Christ is God, Jesus Christ is spirit of God. Jesus Christ is Messiah, Jesus Christ is Alpha and Omega, Jesus Christ is the word of God, just name anything you think Jesus Christ is I will back it uo for you from Quran and Holy Bible

How did you still want me to answer your question with all the proofs from the Quran?

Or you don't use to read those verse from the Qur'an? Or you intentionally wave those quranic verses because you're not please with them? Endeavor to stop arguing blindly, make your Quran your friend, read it day and night. This is the only advice I can give you..

GOD BLESS YOU, BYE FOR NOW

I am aware of Christian tricks very well and it is not gonna get you anywhere.

The first QUR'AN you quoted says warned you


O People of the Book! Do not transgress the limits of your religion.


It goes further to say


"The Messiah, Isa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary) was no more than a messanger of Allah"



It clarified identity of Jesus in the next statement


"and His [God] Word "Be" which He bestowed on Maryam and a Spirit from Him (which took the shape of a child in her womb.)


The word from God is called "Divine Command" or "Creative Power" which God said into something, "Be, and it is". And the verse also said "spirit from God". This is ruh which God infuses on every human being. The same spirit was bestowed upon Adam (p). The same spirit is bestowed upon every human being. Does that make us God, son of God or spirit?.. this is why QUR'AN says


Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. 3:59

So obviously there is nothing special except that he created him without father and created Adam without any parents. With this, it is clear that Jesus is human being.


"Spirit from God* is the same spirit infused in every human being. Quran gives us process of human created in stages and God's spirit placed inside our mothers womb.. it is the Gods breathe in us that gave us life. In that case why don't you call every human "spirit of God"as well?.


Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little lump, then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” [23:12-14]


And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down to him in prostration." (15:29 and 38:72).


The same goes for every human. Spirit (life being) breathed into the foetus at 120 days. It is the same spirit from God like Jesus. Even someone died or killed, some say "his spirit" is around, his spirit is bothering me etc. So why don't you call average human spirit as well?.

Jesus was a man, a prophet and a messanger. So going by your logic, Adam and every human being are also benefactors in those Ayah of Quran you quoted


Adam and mankind are spirit according to Q4:171

Adam and mankind are human and sons of God Q3:47

The only difference between human beings, Adam and Jesus is Jesus and Adam are prophets. Interestingly, you said Quran implored Muslims to ask you but you returned to the same Quran for your answers. I have explained to you what spirit means. Spirit is something we can not see at anytime. For example, Angels. Angels are spiritual beings. So Jesus could not be spirit.

Again, is Jesus God or man?. This is your answer below.

SharonLoveth:
JESUS CHRIST IS ALL WHAT YOU SAID, He came in form of a man born of virgin womb, Jesus Christ is God , Jesus Christ is spirit of God. Jesus Christ is Messiah, Jesus Christ is Alpha and Omega, Jesus Christ is the word of God, just name anything you think Jesus Christ is I will back it uo for you from Quran and Holy Bible

Who created Mary?. You see your confusion now?

nellyelitz:
Wetin concern us with this pathological lying ass licking Afonja

what lie did he tell?. Can you tell me one?. I'm just curious

^ i can't reply you bcuz you didn't quote me properly. I won't stress myself

chrisblack:
do you understand yourself

you can help the fellow answer the question. Very simple, buddy

Yorùbá nason

SharonLoveth:
You asked a wonderful and good questions, I will use both Quran and Bible to answer your question. This is what Allah wants you to be doing often and always

1. Jesus Christ is the SPIRIT OF GOD; read Quran 4:171a

"O People of the Book (the Jews and the Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is only a messenger of God and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him;

2. Jesus Christ is the WORD OF GOD; Quran 4:171a

"O People of the Book (the Jews and the Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is only a messenger of God and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him;


3. He Came inform of a human as he was born of a virgin; Quran 3:47

She said: “O my Lord, how shall I have a son while no human has ever touched me?” Said He: “That is how Allah creates what He wills. When He decides a matter, He simply says to it ‘Be’, and it comes to be.

4. Jesus Christ is A Prophet; Quran 5:75a

The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a prophet;

5. Jesus Christ is Son of God; John 1:34

And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Jesus was God, son of God(human being) or spirit?.

Question is simple now. We don't have problem with Quran. Jesus was a complete human being according to QUR'AN. Now, over to you. Who is Jesus?.

I haven't even delved in other rubbish you wrote yet. You are already choking on this one

ifiokjohn:
damn you are making it to easy for me.

Jesus is the word of God. The word of God is God. He was made flesh and dwelled amongst us.


You keep saying Moses spoke to God cause of the language that Bible used.

Didn't the Bible said Jecob fought with an angel and the angel bless him and said you have fought against God and man and has prevailed....can we said Jecob really did fought against God? Oga use your head na.

I think it is irrelevant to drag this because you didn't provide alternative meaning. Therefore, you denied your Bible. Case closed.

Jesus Christ is the only person, no prophets, no righteous man is said to have been told by God to sit beside him

you still clinged on to this despite my deep analysis?. Bible is wrong for saying God sits on His throne. For God to sit on the throne means He's dependent on his creation (throne) to be stable. Even in the book of Isaiah 6:1-5 shows that seraphim is above God on the throne. Sitting on the right hand means "to move closer to God" spiritually.

Now if you read the old testament...( You will see a part where a prophet said he saw a vision of heaven and one that sat on a throne like the son of man.... ( Remember doing this period he saw the vision Jesus haven't come to Earth o)...so what then will you call that?...

this is a vision like any vision. Don't your pastors say the same thing to gullible people?. Even babalawo do the same. They would says "I see vision that breadwinner in your family will be born. He's this and that. He's covered by the wings of angels....bla bla bla".


Now, to show you this doesn't make Jesus any different visit your Bible in the book of John 1:13-16 where angel announced birth of a baby boy John; "But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,(N) and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit(O) even before he is born.


You see the same words used for Jesus is used for John. He too was followed with holy spirit before and after he was born. So why do you CHRISTIANs distinguished them?. Why don't you accord John the Baptist the same merits given to Jesus?

Now even Jesus Christ talked about seeing God and told his disciples none has seen the father except the son. That's to show you Jesus wasn't Man. ( Cause no man can see God and live).. Jesus Christ in his own words said he has seen the father and when the disciples asked him to show them the father.. remember what he told the disciples..? Now that brings us back to when I said he is the word of God. Being the word of God it means he is same with God ( the father and the son are one - Jesus)

talk without reference is futile. If seeing God makes Jesus special, how about many others that saw God?.



Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple



Psalm 63:2

Thus I have seen You in the sanctuary,
To see Your power and Your glory.


Job 42:5

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
But now my eye sees You


Genesis 16:13

Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?”

See also genesis 32:30, Hebrew 11:27, Numbers 24:4 and many more. All these people saw God and they lived.

Just like a Human is same with his Word that's how Jesus is same with God cause he is the word of God. He is God the son.

Jesus was breastfed, circumcised, washed etc. All these are attributes of a man. You and I went through these things and you still call him God?. Can you think things out?.

In Luke 11:27 Jesus was breastfed
In Luke 2:21-39 Jesus circumcized
In Mark 4:38-40 Jesus slept even with pillow
In Luke 24:42-43 Jesus ate
In John 18:19 Jesus was arrested
In John 19:28 Jesus was thirsty
In Luke 2:41-52 Jesus ran away

Are these attributes of God?. Good doesn't do these things. They befit not His Majesty. Your problem is you don't know the CONCEPT OF GOD.

See I tell you this you won't understand till you are a Christian. Even alot of Christians don't understand

see another confusion. So what's the point of being Christian then?. What you can not explain is false. The same way you guys say "we can not understand unless we have 'holy spirit'". This is illusion.



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But they still believe cause they know...we all know in our heart Jesus is the only way. ( I am the way the truth and the life...no one cometh to the father except through me).

every prophet and messanger of God said the same. They are all the only way in their time. Moses was the only way to his people by leading children of Israel to glory. Where was Jesus then?. No where to be found. If Jesus was the only way, how about those before him?. Does that mean they perished?. How about Abraham and other righteous people before Jesus?.

John the Baptist called his people to the right way Matthew 3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also the way Q43:43


"Verily, you(muhammad) are on a Straight Path."

Hear this word. ". he shall come again"
Not Muhammad
Not Elijah
Not Elisha
Not Jeremiah
Not Solomon
Not David
Not John the Baptist. But Jesus shall we again to judge... And my Bible tells me God is the only judge.. and if Jesus Christ shall come to judge it means all power have been given to him( authority) to judge the living and the dead in heaven and on Earth.

come again to do what?. Even if he's coming back, his return is not evidence of his divinity. In Islamic literature, his return is too break the cross. That's, to deny Christianity. Psalms 7:11 says God is the only judge.


"God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day."


Even your Pope doesn't believe Jesus is coming back. They now believe he's dead . They are tired is waiting. See attached

Remember what he told his disciples before his Ascension ( all Power in heaven and on Earth have been given to me)

where is your evidence?. The only reference to what you said was unknown second speaker in the bible.

Damn even your Muhammad Couldn't even forgive sins( Jesus easily could) talkless for power to be given to him in heaven and on Earth.

who told you Jesus forgave?. He didn't. “Isn’t it true that Jesus forgave those who crucified him?”


The short answer to that question is, “no,” Jesus did not forgive them. If you think carefully about this passage, you will see this is the case. Jesus prayed that those who crucified him would be forgiven in the future, he did not thank God that they were already forgiven. If they had already been forgiven, such a prayer would have been superfluous. The reference in view in this question is the crucifixion account in Luke 23.



And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”~ Luke 23:33-34



In the Quran


For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa' 4:99)



Forgiveness was one of the most notable manners of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur’an indicated that Prophet Muhammad showed ultimate forgiveness. We read:



"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger(muhammad) making clear to you much of what you used to conceal from the Scripture and forgiving much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book." (Al-Ma'idah 5:15)



But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. (Al-Ma'idah 5:13)



We further read:



Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant. (Al-A`raf 7:199)

If Muhammad is an intercessor as you said then it means he is supposed to be able to forgive sin like Jesus but we never heard of him even forgiving one single sin

I have helped you with this above.




Here again from Hadith


Abu Hurairah reported that Prophet Muhammad said: “Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives another except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.” (Muslim)

Companion Abu Ad-Darda’ was asked about the most honorable person. He replied: “He who forgives if he is able (to avenge). So show forgiveness so that God may honor you.” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib said: “If you are able to destroy your enemy, show forgiveness as thanksgiving for such ability.” (Al-Abshihy’s Al-Mustatraf)

Muayiah ibn Abu Sufyan said: “Show forbearance and tolerance until you seize the opportunity. If you do, show pardon and graciousness” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Al-Hassan Al-Basry said: “The best manner of a believer is forgiveness.” (Al-Adab Al-Shariyah by Ibn Muflih Al-Hanbaly)

But Jesus Christ gave his followers ( Christians) the power to forgive sins.

followers of Jesus are not CHRISTIANS. Give us proof from your Bible. CHRISTIANs are followers of Paul. Nassara (Israelites) are followers of Jesus.

Born2Freak:
Boko Haram, insecurity and economic depression are killing Nigerians and your biggest problem is hiding palliatives?

You are an unfortunate person. It can never be well with you.

Boko haram and the falling Naira are destroying Nigerian lives but you are ignoring it to defend Buhari.


Em.piree, I am grateful that there are better Muslims than you. I just pity you.

oro e ti su mi. Se Buhari is in charge of CBN?. He can only influence their decision. He has advisers. There is what you called "separation of powers" i:e three branches of government

Legislative

Executive

Judicial

When federal govt made provisions for covid-19 relief program, you don't expect federal to distribute palliative to the locals. So if you say palliative is not part of the economy issues then you need to think things out. For local and state govt to loot covid-19 palliatives shows they loot more than that. They loot retirement benefits and so many more.

On security issues, I do not give Buhari pass mark either. But didn't he give them provisions for that as well?. What do you want him to do?. To come to your local govt and fight bandits himself?.

What are your state and local authorities doing about INSECURITIES?. When bandits are killing there was no police insight on South West. But when protesters took to the street suddenly police are released into the street. So only when citizens protest and during elections you see police. This means state govt know exactly what they are doing.

Again, Mr. president was quoted to have said "ask your state and local govt". This phrase is quiet pregnant. Were you not on this platform days ago when a thread posted on front page said that southwest politicians and elders refused cessation and don't want ban on open grazing?. How's that Buhari's problem?.

Because you like to paint this religious issue, then let's see religions of southwest governors.


Lagos - CHRISTIAN

Ógún - CHRISTIAN

OYO - CHRISTIAN

Ondo - CHRISTIAN

Osun - MUSLIM

Kwara - MUSLIM

This means Christians are behind insecurity in Southwest. Remember I told you Christianity is responsible for pathetic state of the economy?. Deal With It

Is the difference not CLEAR now?.

This thread is about fraternity of the three major religions. Whether I am in support or not is not my point.

My point is, from front page to current page you read anti-Islam and anti muslim comments yet Muslims are the intolerant ones?. A comment even go as far as attacking prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) without justification.

One of the first 10 comments on front page by Christian preached against this development. Bunch of other christians attacked Islam, Muslims, Buhari, Garba Sheu, the North. But go to SW, you see 5 churches in one building. Let a Muslim rents apartment in the same building for Mosque and you get to see how intolerant CHRISTIANS are. If this is not clear enough, recent hijab situation in ILORIN was enough to prove Christianity is intolerant religion.

Finally a comment says "how can Muslims worship in the same building with other faiths". This fellow didn't read the thread and didn't see that they are three (3) buildings in proximity. Matter of fact, the 3 buildings are not close. You are only seeing pictures. If you go there physically they are most likely quarter or half a mile from each other. The thread is derailed and focused on "intolerance of Muslims".

Anyways, it is not new to see religious buildings together. It is common to see houses of worship across the street and sometimes next to each other in western world. Nigerian Christians are super illiterate.

The world can see their intolerance in this thread.