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AgentNairaland:
I ask you the question you were asked before, CAN YOU FOLLOW YOURSELF? You insisted to answer.

Does your question makes sense?. No

Jesus Christ never came to preached religion and that is why your Quran says he shall be highly exalted on earth and in heaven. Jesus Christ is the only way to life. His purpose on earth was not on religious matter.

Rookie

you were shocked!!! Most of the write up and stories you have in Quran were copied from the Holy Bible

that means you can't fault QUR'AN since everything therein was copied from Bible

Why can't you make use of google.com? Let google guilds you. Antioch has nothing to do with Rome. Don't listen to what your imam is telling you. Paul never founded Christianity, I quoted a verse for you why can't you read and assimilate, refute not to be brainwashed, do your own research.

even with screenshot I provided you blind to see it?

Disciples were not Christians before the incident of what happened in Antioch, the gathering of Children of God was only referred to as Church and not as Christians. It was in Antioch they were first called Christians not in Rome, Not in Saudi Arabia, Not in Jerusalem. STOP ARGUING BLINDLY let google tells you the history of Antioch you will see it there by yourself

shot yourself in the foot. Show us where Jesus mentioned "church"?.

Christian never means Paul's like, Christian never means followers of Paul, Christianity is not a religion founded by Paul. Bros stop putting shame on Islam and entire Muslims community here on public forum like this

this is Paul for you HEBREWS 6:1

I posted earlier with screenshots that Christianity was founded AFTER JESUS and you are still saying Christians are followers of Jesus? . You don't know the meaning of AFTER again?

AgentNairaland:
I think someone asked you this question "Can you follow yourself"? but the question was later removed. Christians means followers of Christ Jesus, you don't expect Jesus Christ to follow himself or called himself as a Christian.

story. Christianity is a religion or way of life. Hence, is Jesus came to establish christianity, he must have laid the foundation on Christianity. Point out where in the bible where Jesus mentioned Christianity?.

Quran that plagiarized what is there in Bible you think is a divine revelation book? Or Muhammad that was possessed by demons was a divine being?

story

It was in Antioch disciples were first called Christians and not in Rome, Antioch is not even in Rome.

Act 11:26

And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

shows you lack it. Rum in the QUR'AN encompasses larger areas and later Rum (Rome) split into two. Ar-Rum (Arabic: الروم‎, 'ar-rūm meaning: The Rome) is the 30th chapter (sūrah) of the Quran. ... in the time of Prophet Muhammad referred to the Byzantine Greeks (Eastern Roman Empire), hence the title is sometimes also translated as "The Greeks" or "The Byzantines". So you can see it is a large empire before break up.

From your write-up, there is no link btw Christianity in Antioch and Jesus. There is also no unequivocally proof that Jesus desciples went to Antioch.


Tradition holds that the first Gentile church was founded in Antioch, Acts 11:20–21, where it is recorded that the disciples of Jesus Christ were first called Christians (Acts 11:26). It was from Antioch that St. Paul started on his missionary journeys. it says desciples were RECORDED not desciples were in Antioch.


Christianity is religion of Paul not Jesus. Christianity was established AFTER Jesus. Christianity hearsay amor Jesus not teachings of Jesus but Paul

blueAgent:
Becos i exposed your naviety.

If you had sense you would never compare yourself to someone who is miles ahead of you.

The irony is that without the same white man you would have not known about what airport is or how to construct it.


You can celebrate black achievements without been arrogant and foolish at the same time.

Those same black engineers you are celebrating spent 5years in university studying formulae, equations and laws developed and proved by whitemen.

From their primary school to secondary all the knowledge that made them qualified engineer was established by whites.

It Just shows your lack of indepth knowledge of how things are done

If you cannot respond with facts to refute my claim, you better not respond.

what's all this rubbish?. Ontop of wetin

Na wa for you oo

All I said was "I like seeing Black people in black projects". Na so the thing vexed you?

blueAgent:
Clown

enemy of Black progress. Unpatriotic!

Nigerians, please keep tab on this traitor amongst you

Funmifunmero4:
There offspring will definitely look like Naomi Osaka

mix race people always look funny. They confuse you lol

blueAgent:
Was Airport a black man's idea?

ki la wi ki ni nwi?

AgentNairaland:
Christians and Christianity came from Rome, says your Chief Imam right?

Christianity was not known in the lifetime of Jesus at all. It was after Jesus controversial death that Christianity emerged in Rome. But ofc, some Romans went to area of Judah to investigate history of Jesus. This is why today, Bible is just a mix of history books not a DIVINE REVELATION.

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RightChannel:
Are you so confused or you're disturbing your brain? We are both writing and exchanging words in English, if Nassara is the same as Christians why subjected that Christians are not the people of the book quran says and that it was the translators of Quran that translated it to be Christians? Your case is like former IGP Mr Idris that is transmission I means transmission the conclusion apprehensive towards transmission of grand protection and confession transmitter I mean transfer the transmission should I call 911 for you?

Bros eee, you never answer that Medina aspect of this discussion, is there another Medina outside Arabian peninsula where there is no Christian in the days of Muhammad?

you guys have serious comprehension problems. I have no time for linguistic analysis. Go back up and read again. Better still, you can watch all the videos for your answer.

As for medina, maybe you were blind when I explained that twice

RightChannel:
Are you so confused or you're disturbing your brain? We are both writing and exchanging words in English, if Nassara is the same as Christians why subjected that Christians are not the people of the book quran says and that it was the translators of Quran that translated it to be Christians? Your case is like former IGP Mr Idris that is transmission I means transmission the conclusion apprehensive towards transmission of grand protection and confession transmitter I mean transfer the transmission should I call 911 for you?

Bros eee, you never answer that Medina aspect of this discussion, is there another Medina outside Arabian peninsula where there is no Christian in the days of Muhammad?

it is simple. Tell us famous names of Churches in Medina back then. Tell us where Jesus mentioned CHRISTIANITY or Christian in the bible. Team us where Jesus said his disciples were called "Christian"?.

I have told you about "people of the book". Simple refers to any group of religion family that read Book. Hindu, Buddhists etc also fall in this category. But in the Quran it usually refers to the people related to the area of the Middle East. So because you too are reading Bible, by logical deduction Christians also fall in this category but you are not nassara. Tell us church that Jesus worshipped at. This is the only way I can take you serious.

ifiokjohn:
which cheat? I want compare the diff between what they said and what the Jews say

you have been added. Check it out

RightChannel:
You deserve an award from Professor mumuric.
If Christians are not people of the book are you contradicting what we read from hadith and quran?
There were no Christians in Medina in the time of Muhammad, is there another Medina outside Arabian peninsula?

so you too don't understand what I said?. You are reading English translation. Did you guys go to school at all?. They translated Nassara to christian because there is no English or alternative word. But they should have used nazarene instead. I also said that most translators of Quran and Hadith were non-muslims who converted to Islam and those who did not. There were no churches in Medina or Jerusalem in the lifetime of Nabi Jesus and Nabi Muhammad (peace be upon them).

Followers of Jesus were nassara in the city of Nazareth and they were Israelites not christians. Christians are from Rome and they were followers of Paul. Paul simply twisted teachings of Jesus and incorporated it in their Roman pagan religion. And named it Christianity. You guys need to do some research. Don't just be posting screenshots.

Just because it is written in English Hadith doesn't mean it is so. They used CHRISTIANS so that we can understand the message. Some QUR'AN translators did not translate nassara. They left it like it is in its original arabic revelation.. Same with Hadith. Original Arabic is nassara. Take your time and watch the videos above if you can.

It is like saying "Jesus". There is nothing like Jesus in the time of the man you called "Jesus". His name was Yahshua in Hebrew and Isa in Islam. It was Rome that called him "Jesus" and attributed their pagan christian religion to him. The only way for you to debunk me is by proving Jesus mentioned Christian/CHRISTIANITY in your Bible.

Again, followers of Jesus were nassara and Jews to whom he was sent. And his message did not go beyond there. Jesus was not sent to Rome. Rome was pagan Christian city. You are wasting your time following Jesus. That's why today, in Jerusalem, majority religion there are Islam and Judaism.

ifiokjohn:
pls do. U still got my no na? BUT what do they say that passage mean? Pls tell me. I want to compare it with what the Jewish say that passage mean to them.

lol. You want to cheat they already started debate right away until I let them know you want to join. Yes they have your number

ifiokjohn:
bro...I'm still waiting for your people to add me up on. Abi is it them that are scare now? I got alot of questionns to ask concerning that Daniel 7:13-14 and I hope they have converse between third selves and came up with a good explanation who that is.

They shouldn't come and tell me that that part is a fraud o...cause it is also in the Jewish Torah( just checked it).
So if it was Fraud the Jews would have removed it.
Though the Jews have a different explanation...but let's see what the Muslims think.

And to be sincere the Jewish thoughts about it look more agreeable I think

oh... Sorry looks like they were busy since Friday and this weekend. They all went to attend 2 days summit. I will remind them now.

ANTIlSLAM:
So YouTube is your Messiah?

Wikipedia, Britannica are nonmuslims but YouTube is from allah and messenger muhammad abi?

BEHOLD YOUR LIES, bobo we don burst you

you see why I usually feel reluctant to reply you now?. You have no sense.

The YouTube videos I posted were lectures by that explained reality. The are not articles. The YouTube lectures explained historical connection and background using, Bible, Quran and history. If you want to debunk me you have to use your Bible not by simply screenshot articles online. And the only way you can successfully debunki me if by linking Jesus to Christianity. If you can't, you are a failure.

This should be interesting


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More.... I didn't even know this was discussed before. I did my own research on nassara and CHRISTIANs


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ANTIlSLAM:
Gben gben gben, you quoted me? I love that

So Christians are not part of people of the book abi? We don burst you. SharonLoveth thank you very much for bringing up lies of Mr Empiree the Chief Liar of Islamic kingdom.

This is what your messenger muhammad said about the people of the book as narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari 2268

Guy, you dey lie for Afrika ooo Is like Mr Lie Muhammed is your father

what part of everything I'm saying you don't understand?. I said they translated nassara to Christian for obvious reason. In the time of prophet muhammad in Medina they were nassara not Christians. Christians were in Rome not middle east. To prove my position clear, quote where Jesus used the word "christians or CHRISTIANITY" in your Bible?. You will see there is no where he mentioned CHRISTIANITY. Muslims translators only used christians for Nassara for textual references due to similarities in creed. Is this difficult for you to understand?. I also told you that most translators of QUR'AN were Europeans or western Muslims such as Abdullah Yusuf Ali. They had no word for nassara in English. That's why.

I also gave you reference about encounters btw Prophet Muhammad and nassara in Medina. Nassara wanted to pray Asr prayer (early evening) that afternoon. Do Christians prayer Asr?. Do Christians have designated obligatory Salat?.

Another way to get you to understand is there is nothing called Jesus in ancient time. It was Rome that called Isa/Yahshua(semitic) "Jesus". There is nothing like Jesus. It doesn't exist. So the same way they translated nassara to Christian in the Quran is the same way it is translated in Hadith.


CHRISTIANITY was from Rome. That's where they were first name "Christians" by Paul not Jesus(Yahshua/Isa). Nassara were Israelites. Christians were Europeans (Romans).

Two(2) minutes


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ANTIlSLAM:
Antichristian come and see your brother ooo embracing taqqiya if you don't believe in Wikipedia let's see from another source. You are a disgrace to Islam and entire Muslims at large

Britannica was founded in 1892. Didn't you read my post well?. There are other translations by Muslims. Anywhere Quran used nassara, they did not translate it. They leave it there as nassara. We do not fault those who translated nassara to Christians. They did so for understanding purposes.

Alhlukitab simply means "people of the Book". This can be any religious groups that have their religious Books such as Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc. They read books too.

Wikipedia, Britannica are nonmuslims

SharonLoveth:
It is now clear that you're a liar, though I want to help you but with this very lies I will STOP interacting with you. I HATE LIES

lol. Wikipedia? we are talking in the context of religious history. Wikipedia was created in 2001 but I'm talking about thousands of years of history. See how ridiculous you reason?. You would have done better if you countered with history too. I said in my earlier post that it was QUR'AN translators that used "christians" for Nassara and the reason they did that is understandable.

In case you don't know, most of the translators of QUR'AN were non-muslims or Muslims who studied or resided in western countries such as Yusuf Ali. Most of the rest were Jews (muhammad Assad) and load of Christians in the West who studied Islam and Arabic such as Marmaduke Pickthall. They were all converts to Islam. They had no better word to use for Nassara but christian bcus of some similarities btw nassara and CHRISTIANs. There were no church, no Christians in Medina in the time of prophet Muhammad.

Christians and Christianity came from Rome

SharonLoveth:
How many times will I answer one question? The process of creation on how man was made that the author of quran didn't know which to go for is not a confusion as I proof with references right?

Who are the people of the book Allah is refering you to for clarifications?

people of the Book are Yahudi(Jews) and Nassara (nazarene). There is no such thing as Christian in the QUR'AN. It is translators of QUR'AN that translated "Nassara" to christian and the reason for this is because of CHRISTIANITY's claim to Jesus.

Christians are not people of the Book that Quran talks about. There were no Christians in Medina in the time of prophet muhammad (S.A.W). Those time, Christians were in Rome not middle east. So some translators only translated nassara to Christians because christians creed is close to nassara (Israelites followers of Jesus). Christians are not followers of Jesus but Paul. But this is another topic entirely. This is why I dey shake my head for you as you posted gibberish.

Christianity religion came from Rome not Israel. True followers of Jesus were Muslims. So in the context of QUR'AN with regards to "people of the Book" are Jews and Nassara.

As for Quran verse that you quoted that "ask people of the Book if you don't know", the verse is not talking about what you are saying at all. This is why I allowed you too display your ignorance. When you humble yourself enough or when I feel like explaining to you I will. The verse is commonly used by evangelical Christians to confuse Muslims.

One evidence that there were no CHRISTIANS in Medina in the lifetime of Nabi Muhammad was when Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came to mosque in Medina, he met nassara inside the mosque. When it was time for salat (obligatory prayer) for nassara, they wanted to leave the mosque to pray in their own religion section. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him stopped them and tell them to offer their salat inside Muslim mosque.

My question is, if nassara were CHRISTIANS, which prayer time was due in that afternoon that CHRISTIANS offer today?. So you know the QUR'AN verse is not talking about CHRISTIANS and it is not even talking about what you thought. Q10:94

Academic Public Lecture At Lagos Central Masjid (Day 1)



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Academic Public Lecture At Lagos Central Masjid (Day 2)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZRJo4KHcfo

SharonLoveth:
It shows you're a hypocrite, anyways I am not bothered. You've did what Allah said you should do, Allah never told you to reply any question we Christians ask from you guys. I wish you success in all your endeavours, stay bless

you are very ignorant. So far, only a section of your first post you have been struggling with which is, "is Jesus God or human being?". I don't need you to answer it again. All your responses are muddled with confusion for you. So, I'm sorry girl. No where in the Quran it says to go to CHRISTIANS for answer. If you want to know what the verse means be humble and learn.

You aren't talking to layman here.

SharonLoveth:
Did you answer mine? I asked him if he's your saviour then I'll answer all his question but he refuse to answer.

how relevant was your question?

SharonLoveth:
Hahahaha because I touched the aspect that affects you most in Qur'an, the process of creation not clearly stated in the book of Allah or the author of Quran not sure what man was made is that not confusion and you said Adam and Jesus were made from dust while the author of quran not even sure of what man was made off. Whom should we blame for this your confusion??

do you think I'm worried about you?. I only referred you to meet offline because your confusion is beyond redemption. You don't understand everything you have been saying. You keep confusing yourself. I already posted process of creation from QUR'AN

SharonLoveth:
If you don't know who he is, stop quoting me then. Let him face what he started

this is public forum. He has the right to jump in. You jumped in too. I was not having this dialogue with you but you came in and I didn't complain. What you have been saying shows that you don't understand your Bible. You don't know Jesus and you want to tell us what QUR'AN says about him?. That's funny. You need to sit down with Muslim scholars of the bible and learn from them.

SharonLoveth:
You come from no where jumped into what that doesn't consign you. Let me know if you're the Messiah that want to rescue him

answer his question and stop digressing. People are reading your posts and unintelligent and uncommonsensical you sound

SharonLoveth:
I don't think you understand yourself or you're confused on the meaning of Divine..

Qur'an says Jesus is word of God, Spirit of God, Messiah, Quran even says Jesus gaveth life, He was born of virgin's womb, etc to you all these ARE NOT DIVINE RIGHT?

I asked you to name anyone that has all these attributes you refused to answer rather using different tactics to escpae the question

Did you see this on my previous posts about the process of creation as read from the Quran?


About the creation of man this is what Qur'an says:

Quran 96:2

“We Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,”

Quran 15:26

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape"

Quran 16:4

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer"

Quran 3:59

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,”

Are you the one been confused or the author of quran? You said Jesus and Adam were created from dust, you can't stop to amazed me. The author of quran said Man were created from dust, blood, Clay, drop of sperm, etc which one should we rather go for because I don't understand the reason why the author of quran was so confused like this

Further more, when Adam died, does your own quran tells you he is alive up till date, does your own Quran tells you he ascended to heaven? Your MURIC brother and leader compared Jesus to Buhari you too an author of confusion is comparing the same Jesus to Adam as you said they were both created from dust, this is ridiculous

your problem can not be solved on social media. You need to meet Muslim comparators one in one for proper religious education. You are confusionists. This is the problem as long as you believe in bible because bible is your problem.

SharonLoveth:
You are fond of lies, WHICH VERSE OF THE QUR'AN DID I QUOTED HERE THAT SHOWS JESUS AS GOD? Show it let me see. I only proofs to you with Quran references WHOM JESUS IS as word of God, Spirit of God, Saviour and Prophet of God. Pls STOP LYING

you keep going back and forth. I know this is CHRISTIAN trick but it won't work with me. Now you are retracting again. So I will bring back my question. Is Jesus God?.

Remember you quoted QUR'AN that we are implored to ask you if we do not know. So far you don't know what you are been saying.

Where is the underlined post that I said Jesus Christ is superior than his Father, Jehovah, Elohim, show it let me see? MUST YOU LIE? Are you trained in Islam on how to lie to make up your point? I ask ARE YOU SUPERIOR THAN YOUR FATHER AT HOME? You ceased to answer, none of my questions you've answered so far.. Anyways I won't condemn you rather I'll be praying for you. May God bless you the more

don't think I have time for rubbish. Go back up and read for yourself. You and your fellow Christian guy keep going back and forth. This is clear evidence that you guys are confused about your doctrine