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Travel › Re: Akwa Ibom International Airport Terminal Taking Shape (Photos) by Empiree: 7:12pm On Jun 16, 2021

This is what I like to see.

Black business by Blacks

I'm sick and tired of seeing White and Chinese faces in project like this in Africa

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Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 4:37pm On Jun 16, 2021

SharonLoveth:
Surah Yunus 10:94

So if you are in doubt, about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

Allah sees you guys as doubters, clueless and unbelievers. Is that not another dirty slap?

Let's see who's in doubt since you alleged QUR'AN tells us to ask you. So I am in doubt about Jesus whether he's a spirit or God, or son of God or human being and Prophet. I'm not sure. Can you please tell me who is Jesus?. I believe he's human being and a prophet but I'm not sure. Can you tell us identity of Jesus to clarify my doubt?

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 3:06pm On Jun 16, 2021

SharonLoveth:
You can't undermine Jesus Christ, even in your Quran Jesus is highly exalted, praised more than Muhammad that's enough to let you know that Jesus is not just an ordinary person you can undermine. I was just wondering the reason why allah failed to reckon with Muhammad more than Jesus in the book that was given to Muhammad. This is dirty blow on you all Muslims world-wide.

Jesus Christ is called the spirit of God, word of God, Messiah both in Quran and Bible, NO OTHER PERSON EVER GIVING THESE LOVELY UNIQUE ATTRIBUTES, maybe if there is any tell me? Even Muhammad never has these unique attributes. Just wondering why allah can't even recognized his own messenger Muhammad as his own word from him, Messiah, the spirit of him rather given those attributes to Jesus Christ alone.

Do you know what Intercession is all about? You said Muhammad was given power of intercession which Jesus didn't has, I smiles. Whom does Muhammad intercede for? Is muhammad more than the Messiah? Even in Quran it's written that muhammad cannot intercede for sinners

Sura At-Taubah (9), verse 80

“Ask forgiveness for them, or do not ask forgiveness for them (it will be equal). If thou (O Muhammad) ask forgiveness for them seventy times, God will by no means forgive them.”

Quran itself said Muhammad is NOT an Intercessor so where did you get your own lies that Muhammad was an intercessor?

This is what Bible says about Jesus Christ as our intercessor

Romans 8:34

It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

You won't stop amazing me, thank God I am no more in Nigeria where you'll be looking for me to be killed.

Where is it written that Christians should come to you for teaching on Holy Bible?

Behold another slap allah gaveth you Muslims by degrading you guys to mere nothing by giving you a warm instructions to seek for knowledge from Christians

Surah Yunus 10:94

So if you are in doubt, about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

Allah sees you guys as doubters, clueless and unbelievers. Is that not another dirty slap?

If I should ask you again what Mortal is all about will you answer? If the verses you qouted giving you issues we'll explain further to you, Jeremiah and Job had NO premortal existence as you claimed. Read those verses you posted again NO where it's written they both had premortal existence pls be guided unto the right path and refute not to be brainwashed by your leaders in islam.

One major thing that's affecting you guys in Islam is LACK OF SPIRITUALISM. God is Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24

Had it been allah is spirit, all these shouldn't have befall you Muslims.

Pls accept my apology if I offended you in anyways. God bless you

I am honestly bored reading your write-up. It is same old rhetoric. Just gonna respond to "God is spirit". If God is spirit what do you call Angels and Jinn?. What do you call UFO?

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 2:53pm On Jun 16, 2021

ifiokjohn:
lol...what is the difference between an intercessor and s mediator?
You see you...Jesus doesn't have the power of an intercessor. Someone the Bible said is a mediator between man and God.

good question.

Intercessor is a person who intervenes on behalf of another. So prophet muhammad S.A.W pleads on behalf of Muslims to be granted paradise.

The mediator assists and guides towards their own resolution. The mediator does not decide the outcome.

Abraham is a friend of God....how can a son be a friend of his Father?

then Moses, Jacob, Elijah and good people that are sons and daughters of God are also in the same position of Jesus because they are sons as well.

And you said nothing is special about Jesus been told to sit at God right hand really?

ko ye e ni. Sitting at the right hand of God is symbolic. It means spiritual presence not physical. In another word, Jesus was moved closer to God in divine presence which Quran alluded to. Hence, it is a metaphorical statement. It doesn't mean Jesus is sitting next to God or seeing God. It is the same as speaking about pious person. We say "that man is close to God". QUR'AN says the same thing about Jesus. It says Q3:45

(Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah."

So "sitting at the right" hand of God or close to God indicates PIOUSNESS

Do you know what it means to sit on a Throne in heaven? No one...not even biggest of angels sit on throne in heaven brother.

Lie. To sit on a throne means that throne is physical that provides comfort. So to sit on the throne belittles God if your understanding is literal. This is why I said earlier that it is symbolic. So God doesn't sit on a throne. He is above the throne. If Jesus sits on the throne means that Jesus is not coequal with God.

QUR'AN says

Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty), disposing the affair of all things.” [10:3]

So you can see that God is above the throne but you said Jesus sits in the right hand of God. You don't know anything.

By the way you really don't know the Bible...if you did you will know the Bible called Jesus a high priest of God... someone even greater than Machizedek. Oga read my Bible with insight.

but some of your Bible scholars said Melchizedek is Jesus Christ grin

Jesus is greater than himself?. You go tire for here. Yet Bible says Melchizedek doesn't have father, no mother, no relatives, no beginning, no ending. But Jesus had mother. Jesus had beginning and ending (he died on the cross)

There is nothing about preexistance of a human. Humans never existed in heaven at anytime ever.

are you saying your Bible lies?. I proved from your Bible that Jeremiah and Job preexisted.

God knew Jeremiah cause God created him. If for eg, you want to create someone or something won't you know the person and the qualities you want to instill in that person?

same God created Jesus, isn't?

Nope you never showed me anything about job and Jeremiah existing. You just showed me that God knew them before he created them. For freaking sake won't a creator know his creation before he create Him or her? Know what he wants to input into the person etc?

I showed you evidence that Job and Jeremiah preexisted like Jesus also claimed he existed before earthly life. But you said no human preexisted

1. Jesus had a premortal existence. John 1:14, John 1:1

2. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Her. 1:5

3. Job had a premortal existence. Job38:4,7

4. All mankind premortal existence Deuteronomy and Corinthians 29:36-38, Moses 4:1-4, Abraham 3:22-28.

So you can see preexistence in your Bible.

You see why I told you .. you lack insight or wisdom?
Read that passage of God conversation with job again and if you still believe Job preexisted in that time...I can say your education is pretty useless I swear.

since you don't understand your Bible, QUR'AN will clear the air.

Q7:172

And recall (O Prophet) when your Lord brought forth descendants from the loins of the sons of Adam, and made them witnesses against their ownselves. asking them: 'Am I not your Lord?' They said: 'Yes, we do testify.' We did so lest you claim on the Day of Resurrection: 'We were unaware of this.'

God is asking him, where he was when he laid the foundation of the world. If Job was in existence then God won't have asked him that kind of questions.

preexistence is soul not physical and we don't have recollection of it.

Oga you Muslims need to learn the Bible from the owners of the Bible.
There is nothing like face to face when Moses couldn't even see God face but his back with God telling him if he does he will die.
Who Moses spoke too was probably an angel at the instance..

yet you believe Jesus sits next to God grin

you are obviously denying your first Bible verse

Ex 33:11

Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses turned again into the camp, his assistant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent.

Why are you denying your Bible on social platform grin

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:34pm On Jun 16, 2021

Born2Freak:
If the head is not correct, the body is not correct.

Uneasy is the Head that wears the crown.

Boko haram is a federal problem as the bandits not only cause violence along our borders, they are in more than 2 state

how's this my problem?. Take your frustrations and grievances to your local authorities and stop bothering me with this BS

The Nigerian currency and hence, economy are federal issues. Local government does not print money and neither do they set national economic policies.

go to Abuja and tell them. I don't understand why you are taking me this.

Insecurity and economic depression are the two main problems of Nigeria, yet you are telling me that Buhari, the president, is not the problem.

go to Buhari and lodge your complaints.

You are not well.

thanks for the compliment

Is it local government that is meant to solve federal issues? Joker.

last year during covid-19 palliative crisis have us hint about corrupt local and state govt. Buhari was reported to have said "ask your local and state govt".

This phrase means that state and local govt are getting their dues from federal but they chose to manipulate their people. Was Buhari responsible for hidden palliatives in warehouses meant for citizens?.

My step mom was to retire with 2m retirement from state govt. It took about 10yrs before she received her money. By the time she received her retirement funds, it was cut down from 2 million naira to #172,000. Is Buhari also responsible for this?. It's federal responsible for this?. Doesn't this has negative impact on average citizens?.

Blame federal govt all you want, buddy

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 11:27am On Jun 16, 2021

Born2Freak:
Our two worst presidents are Conservative muslims.

Wow

I.e. Buhari and Abacha.

Em.piree, Stalw.ert......any thoughts??

this is why the country doesn't move forward because we put religion coloration in politics. When I said some weeks ago that CHRISTIANITY destroyed NIGERIA economy without elaborating, i knew exactly what I said. I will still not elaborate.

So you can hug transformer if you like. Buhari is not your problem. Your problems are your indegenious politicians

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 12:58am On Jun 16, 2021

ifiokjohn:
No, you're the one that hasn't been successful in offensive argument so far.

You brought out Machizedek.. he was a high priest of God. Jesus is a son of God. By the way, I never said others prophet didn't raise the dead. Damn, even Paul raised the dead..

This doesnt refute the fact that Jesus doesnt have unique qualities that Machizedek had

I asked you, which of those supposed prophets God has told to sit at his right hand throne till he makes his enemies his footstool?

This doesn't prove any unique quality. This is not attempt to undermine Jesus(p). I am just telling you that each prophet and messanger has their unique attributes with God that others dont have. Abraham is called friend of God and father of faith. Jesus doesnt have this qualities. Prophet muhammad is granted power of intercession. Jesus desnt have this. Moses spoke to God face to face but Jesus doesnt have this. Moses speaks to God face to face is more credible by common sense than sitting at the right hand of God.

By the way, have never heard anyone says Human being preexisted in heaven before they were born with a promise they will serve God.
That's a lie and it of the devil.

Before you were born, and before your parent conceived you, where do you think you were?. You were existing in your fathers groin in spiritual realm with God. And I have told you before and will say it again that if you want to learn bible, come to Muslims. We will teach you bible. Now read,

1. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Through revelation the prophet Jeremiah learned something about the preexistence of his own soul. The Lord spoke to him and said, “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” (Jer. 1:5.)

No human Preexisted before time with God.

2. Job had a premortal existence. On one occasion the Lord asked the prophet Job, “Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

“When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4, 7.)

"Now although the Lord didn’t tell Job where he was before the foundations of the earth were laid, the very question implies that Job was in existence somewhere—and not only Job but “all the sons of God.” And when we recall that the Bible teaches that we are the sons of God (“the offspring of God” is the way the apostle Paul phrases it in Acts 17:29), we can’t help but conclude that we were in existence with Job (and Jeremiah and the Lord Jesus Christ) before the earth was created."

By the way, Moses never spoke to God face to face.. moses never saw God but the back of God. Your Quran is inaccurate in that instance cause no man can see God and live and Moses was a man... Yes he commune with God just like every prophet hears from God ....from Jeremiah to Isaiah down to even Solomon...they heard from God...nothing spectacular about that.

Oh you think uran said so? Quran doesnt say Moses spoke to God face to face. Your Bible did.

"The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent." Exodus 33:11

Even Jacob wrestled with God and defeated God cheesy

Genesis 32:22-32

Now the spectacular thing here is Jesus didn't just hear from God, he saw God, God told him to sit on the throne beside him...God told the angels to bow before the Lamb( Jesus ) in Revelation 5.

FALSE! This contradicts your bible. Exodus 33:20 says no one can see God

"you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

Quran also says

"Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted."Q6:103

Quran is wrong. No human ever lived Preexisting live/knowledge before they were born.
The only people in.heavens are Angelic beings, divine beings etc

I already showed you from your bible that Job and Jeremiah preexisted.

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 12:03am On Jun 16, 2021

ifiokjohn:
Lol... Yeah I agree. His return will crucify those churches that didn't run their race well. That's why even the christians knows that judgement will start from the church.

By the way, Jesus is no ordinary man. The Bible said it is unto man to die once and then judgement but we keep telling you Jesus is no man...he is the son of God. Divine.

you keep going in cycle. I think I know your problem now. Let me just pull your leg small

What do you mean "Jesus is son of God", biological son or what?. Answer this so that I know how to deal with you bcuz you keep going back and forth

Death Couldn't hold him.
He died and took the keys of death so as to give us eternal life.

can you read yourself again?. Don't you see CONTRADICTION in your write up or you want me to break it down for you?.

Let me help you

You said

"death couldn't hold him"

buy he died on the cross at the hands of human being according to your Bible Matthew 27:45-50

You said:

and took the keys of death so as to give us eternal life

Tell me any of the Christians that have eternal life that you know of?. Why are CHRISTIANs keep dying?. I can interprete this in two forms, either literally or spiritually. Literally this verse is rubbish because evidently many many CHRISTIANs have died and nothing happened. So this make this verse false.

Spiritually, to have everlasting life in afterlife, if that's the case, Quran has this to say

They also say, ‘No one will enter Paradise unless he is a Jew or a Christian.’ This is their own wishful thinking. Say, ‘Produce your evidence, if you are telling the truth.’ Qur'an 2:111-113

There is no way you can enter paradise as long as you believe Jesus is: God, son of God. It is impossible

Oga read my Bible well and pray the holy Spirit to open your eyes.
You read the Bible with hatred and unbelieve that's why...

holy what

. Abeg, which "holy spirit" Christians use that makes them differ so much?. Deeper life, Jehovah witness don't celebrate Xmas. Other do. Yet all of them claim to have "holy spirit".

Don't worry about how I read Bible. Onus on you to defend it.

Open your eyes.. check all the prophets that spoke about Jesus...
Even one said... His origin is from before time( beginning)

Even Muhammad, Elijah etc never got that kind of discription

oh you mean when Jesus and his people when to somebody's farm to steal produce?. In Mark 2:23-25, Jesus and his people were hungry on sabbath. Won wo oko oloko lo ji agbado alagbado on sabbath grin

when Jesus and his guys were caught red-handed for stealing, Jesus said

"Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need?"

grin

This is what you called son of God grin

. He was a full grown man grin

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 11:39pm On Jun 15, 2021

greencard:
you forgot the part, that He rose form the dead ??

I already addressed that. Jesus didn't raise from dead. That part of the bible was interpolation

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 11:33pm On Jun 15, 2021

greencard:
can we compare Mohamed to buhari,,,?

if Buhari displays exemplary character that describes prophet muhammad (peace be upon him), why not?. There is nothing derogatory in that. Good character means o fi jo Anobi Muhammad ni

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 11:30pm On Jun 15, 2021

Odingo1:
Yes they are still correct because Jesus said I and my father is one. A glory to the father is to the son and vice verse.We have God the Father (Almighty God), Son and Holy Spirit. 3 person in one God but only one God.

I have told you CHRISTIANs that if you want to know your Bible you must come to Muslims to teach you. This verse you quoted goes way more than that.

John 10:30

I and my Father are one.

John 17:21

that all of them (desciples) may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be one in us

So John17:21 clarified John 10:30. It means John 10:30 means PURPOSE. That's, God, Jesus and the companions are in one PURPOSE. It doesn't mean Jesus is God

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 11:23pm On Jun 15, 2021

Odingo1:
John 10:18, NIV:
Jesus said;
"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father. ... I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.

I was gonna quote another verse from Bible to counter you but I realized quickly that this same verse you quoted already shot you in the foot. See underlined. It means he doesn't have power. John 5:30

Lo ba tan

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 11:17pm On Jun 15, 2021

ifiokjohn:
but which of those supposed sons of God did God ever told to see at his right hand ( the Heavenly throne besides him) till he makes his enemies his footstool?

Which of those sons did the angels and the 24 elders bow to in Revelation 5? None I guess.

how does this make him different from other sons of God?. How about Moses that met God and spoke with him one on one?

The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent. Exodus 33:11

How about Abraham called friend of God II Chronicles 20:7. Isaiah 41:8.

How about Elijah that also raised the dead 1 Kings 17:17-24

There was nothing Jesus did that other prophets and messangers didn't do

See all we are children of God but there is a difference. Although people you called are adopted sons of God. Just like we Humans.

Adopted children huh

you Christians no go kill person. From whom God adopted them?. grin

And you said they are just like humans but I have quoted several Bible verses showing Jesus was only human being. 1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Which of those sons existed with God in heaven long before time( and he said, before Abraham "I Am"...
Jesus Christ is the only one that is divine ... You call him a prophet but yet a prophet is not divine like Jesus. A prophet never existed before time like Jesus .

you have a lot to learn. This has nothing to do with divinity of Jesus. It only means Jesus had preexisting knowledge of God just like you and I. Quran says we lived preexisting earthly life where we had covenants with God that we would worship and obey Him when we get to earth. So we had foreknowledge of God too. There is nothing special in this verse. So this verse means Jesus had foreknowledge. If this makes Jesus special, how about Melchizedek Genesis 14:18–20. He's more greater than Jesus.

Jesus has mother no father

Adam had no father no mother but he had beginning

Melchizedek had no father, no mother no beginning, no ending. So who's more greater btw the three?. Answer is obvious.

Read the book of Revelation and maybe then you will know who our Lord Jesus Christ is.

be like say you don't know who you are talking to. What else is new about Jesus that you think I don't know?.

By the way you can believe the book of Revelation.. because man has no type of knowledge to write something like that without inspiration from God.

which inspiration ooo?. You mean all those rascal church "inspirations"

You know when they bring evidence from the Bible for you guys.. all you get to say is the Bible was corrupted etc.

but you haven't been successful in your defensive arguments so far.

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 9:22pm On Jun 15, 2021

ThatFairGuy1:
You're toying with his Brain

It's a MUST to get confused

he go tire

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Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 9:21pm On Jun 15, 2021

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ANTIlSLAM:
Buhahahaha because I always disdain all your taqqiya comments with concrete proof from Quran and ahadith respectively. Ask your brother Antichristian

Imagine telling someone that Jesus is not alive and not coming back again. Who's ur alfa? You gat to go back to Ile-kewu Olodo

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Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 9:09pm On Jun 15, 2021

Odingo1:
Jesus Christ is a mighty God but not Almighty God. The Almighty God (Elohim, Jehovah etc ) is the greatest, the creator of everything knowingly and unknowingly of him there is no painting, picture, image etc

You didn't know?. I am Christian slayer grin

You have no choice now but to embrace Islam. What you just said go against many christian doctrines out there. Are you Yorùbá or do you understand Yorùbá?

If so, did you ever heard Christian sang these songs?

O se o Jesu a o ma yin o

O se o Jesu Olohun....

Another song

Leyin Jesu ko si enikan ooooo

Oba mimo ni oba ti mo n sin

Leyin Jesu ko si enikan ooooo

Alagbara ni oruko re

grin

In these songs and many more like them, they raised status of Jesus to Almighty God and Creator

Lo ba tan grin

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Foreign Affairs › Re: Yothaka, Thailand Erects Penis Statue To 'Battle' An Ongoing Drought by Empiree: 8:49pm On Jun 15, 2021

What many of you don't see is this is a village according to the article. A village for that matter is still presentable. Show us a village in Nigeria and compare to this..

This village is rather compared with Abuja city

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Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 8:44pm On Jun 15, 2021

ANTIlSLAM:
Why disgracing yourself on public forum like this? You're contradicting ur god allah despite telling you that Jesus is alive and coming back for the second time

Quran 43:61 And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.

don't interrupt me. It always sweet me to ignore you because 95% of the time you don't make sense

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Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 8:40pm On Jun 15, 2021

ifiokjohn:
Oga did I not tell you that Jesus is son of God? Meaning he was created by God. I didn't tell you Jesus always existed like God.
Come on read.
I'm sure they is no real Bible scholar in that your Muslim school.. he will tear you to spread.
You keep giving me reasons to show you that I can easily shread you..
The word( Jesus) as you said is created, yes. But he is the son of God. The word( God) became man and dwelled amongst us

then there is nothing unique about "son of God". It means son by tongue not begotten son. So if you mean he was created by God, it means Jesus was God's creation like any other human beings. In that case, MURIC said nothing wrong. There are many sons of God in the bible such as

1. Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22.

2. Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14.

3. Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn" Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).

4. Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God" Luke 3:38.

Even common people like you and I are son of God according to the bible

5. "Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1.

6. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14.

7. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name" John 1:12.

8. "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: ... now are we the sons of God" 1 John 3:1-2.

Even God has daughters according to the bible

9. Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” 2 Corinthians 6:18.

So you can see there is nothing special about "son of God". It just means righteousness or righteous people.

By the way that Hebrew verse... Shows that it was a prophet who saw a vision of Heaven and God speaking... To the son.

what Prophet?. There is no confirmation for this. Your Bible says there are so many false prophets. How do you believe false voice documented in your Bible without due deligence?

See they're many instances of Jesus Christ in heaven with the father....you have no reply.
Everytime I give you something you say it is corrupted or fraud .... But here we using the Bible to clarify. Your corruption doesn't concern me let God judge that.

what you failed to understand is that Jesus was created the same way you and I were created with the same Command I told you before except for some phenomenon conferred in Jesus. That's all. Every human being was with God before we came to this earth. Where do you think your unborn child is right now?. He or she is with God. This is what Jesus referred to. The same spirit that God breathe in Jesus is the same spirit that God breathe in every human being. This is what gives us life.

QUR'AN

And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration." (15:29 and 38:72)

Hadith

“Each one of you is constituted in the womb of the mother for forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then God sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his deeds, his livelihood, the date of his death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched. Then the soul is breathed into him…” (Sahih al-Bukhari: 3036).

One thing I as a Christian is assure of as daylight is that Jesus is the Son of God. Hair to the Throne of God. He died and was Resurrected back to life.

this is just emotions not based on facts. I have showed your Bible with clear evidences that a dead person is gone and never to return to earth until the day of ressurection when everybody will be brought back to life. There is nothing like "ressurection of Jesus". That is interpolation in the bible. You either believe Jesus is dead or he was rescued by God and airlifted as some Muslims believe.

You and a billion Muslims can't change that...
See the christians that converted to islam fail to feel it. They failed to feel that jesus is the son of God. No prophets ever or even angel is as exalted as jesus in the bible. It not just about the miracles but alot more

no. We showed them convincing and superior evidences that they could not debunk.... Just like you are perambulating here too.

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ifiokjohn:
Jesus spoke Aramaic not Salam aleku or how you put m.

Thankfully the Bible said Jesus Christ was Resurrected meaning my faith is not futile and the dead in Christ will rise when he comes back again to the world.

Oga we are using the Bible here and the Bible said he Resurrected. If you like call it fraud, call it PDP but as long as the Bible agrees he was Resurrected then he was.

We can also see that it is true what the Bible said because every of Jesus disciples from Matthew, luke and John wrote about his resurrection..it was consistent.

By the way check in Revelation5 -20 ..you will see the slain lamb ( Jesus) been bowed to and worship by all angels and soon when he shall come back to the world all humans Shall bow to him too including you.

you think I'm gonna drag this with you forever?. Jesus was either dead or escaped death. There is no in between. Ressurection is in the Hereafter. Once any human is dead, he's dead, period. This is what your Bible confirmed in JIB 7:9 and Hebrew 9:27. The dead is dead. You either believe he's dead or he was not deaf. Nothing like ressurection. 1 Corinthians 15:20,21 etc that says Christ was raised from the dead was interpolation.

Even your Quran said Jesus shall return. He never said any prophet shall return, not Muhammad, not Elijah, not Elisha, not David, not Solomon. It said Jesus just as the Bible writers you so much love to deride predict

By the way even the verse you just posted there is a testimony there that Jesus was raised from the death by God.
See Bros maybe you should call people that are more verse in the Bible. You really giving yourself to me so much ok.
Common it so easy...even a Bible Rocky like me will trampled upon you so easily

first all, we aren't talking about his return. We are talking about death and resurrection.. But can you show me in the Quran where it says he's coming back?.

Whether he's coming back or not, the Muslims that believe he's coming back don't even agree with you. His return is meant to crucify Christianity as indicated in Hadith, "he will break the cross". He's not coming back to rescue christians. He was only sent to the Jews not you

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Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 7:01pm On Jun 15, 2021

Odingo1:
Keep on deceiving yourself by misinterpretating the Bible Muslim man.

John 20:24-29
Jesus Appears to Thomas

24 Now Thomas(A) (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side,(B) I will not believe.”(C)

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace(D) be with you!”(E) 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”(F)

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed;(G) blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 6:58pm On Jun 15, 2021

Odingo1:
Have Christians told you that Jesus Christ came to the this world by his own ?. God Almighty send him to this world to become an everlasting sacrifice for remission sins by dying on the cross and to break the power death by his resurrection.

So what is your argument?

all what you just said that I highlighted are hearsays without proofs. If he wanted to die or came to die for your sin, why did he cry to God when he faced death on the cross?. Does this sound like someone trying to die for you? grin

Matthew 27:45-50

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Christians believe that all power belong to Almighty God which he gave Jesus Christ to do while on Earth.

you better speak for yourself on this one because you guys have different doctrines. Someone already posted up there not point ago that Jesus is God and he created the world. And besides, since you believe he's not, how about this Bible verse that claimed Jesus is God?

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" - Isaiah 9:6

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 6:01pm On Jun 15, 2021

Odingo1:
If you believe Jesus did not have power to do any miracle as you Muslims use to say:

Read John 11: 17-44.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

27 She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, (F)I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

So you mean John 5:30, Act 2:22,

"And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's permission; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's permission. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe." Q3:49

Deuteronomy 10 vs 21

He is thy praise, and he is thy God, that hath done for thee these great and terrible things, which thine eyes have seen.

You can see from those verses that Jesus did not perform any miracles. God did. As for John 11: 45 I don't need to explain that to you. It doesn't prove anything

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ifiokjohn:
And According to the same Bible he resurrected and his at the right hand of God where all the angels bow to him, not just angels, the 24 elders etc.
Tell me, any prophet or angel that have ever been given that type of worship or respect?

My Bible tells me in the book of Revelation how the 24 elders bow with their crown to the ground and worship the Lamb ( Jesus)... Abi didn't you read that in the Bible?

And by the way, the eg you gave me are of people thoughts about Jesus at that time. The people there saw him as a man. Infact when Jesus asked his disciples who do people say I am... You can see they told him what people think he is. People can think anything about someone ...it doesn't mean it the truth..

See even in the old testament if we want to use that, we see instances of prophets like isaiah, Jeremiah etc and their vision of heaven.
For instance one of the prophet in the old testament ( forgotten his name) in the vision of heaven saw one that sat like a son of man( that's how he described it)

Now I ask you, if Jesus was an ordinary man or prophet as you said...would he be seen seating down on a throne like God or on the throne of God?

1 Corinthians 15:14-19

If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.

And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith

More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.

For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. And if our hope in Christ is only for this life, we are more to be pitied than anyone in the world.

Jesus was not ressurected. Your faith is in vain and those who have died believing in Christianity have perished. There is nothing like ressurection of Jesus. Jesus was either dead or was not killed. But both ways because according to the book of JOB 7:9 and Hebrew 9:27.

If Jesus was dead then you need to answer why he said these

“….Jesus himself stood in their midst, and said unto them, Salam Alaikum

“….But they were terrified, and supposing that they were seeing a spirit.

“And he said unto them,….

“Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me have.

“And showed them his hands and feet.

“And while they yet believed not for joy and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

“And they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of a honeycomb.

“And he took it, and did eat before them.” Luke 24:36-43

Ressurection of Jesus was fraudulent by Bible writers

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 4:50pm On Jun 15, 2021

ifiokjohn:
A son of a King is a King in the making.
A son of a God is a God.

For eg, you do watch movies don't you.
Isn't the sons of Zeus says to be god?
Ok we are using the Bible here. Use the Bible to teach me...

so why did you blame MURIC if you also compared your Jesus to movie character?. You are confused

What did Hebrew 1.8 mean?

it is not for me to clarify. It is up to you too clarify confusion in your Bible. Hebrew 1:8 says

but to the Son: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice."

But you didn't ask yourself question who's talking in the verse?. It says "unto us" who is speaking there?. Your guys don't think. This is a reported speech by unknown second person plural perhaps. How do you manage to believe reported speech solely for reference and validation?. Christians, please think. Think things out

Repent from which blasphemy?
Have I not given you instances to show Jesus is God.

you said Jesus is God according to your Bible. I said this is blasphemy and contradiction in your Bible. It is your Bible that says you must repent. Didn't you read NUMBERS 23:19 I quoted earlier?.

I jmeans...what then does it mean?ust gave you 1John and you said it not what it

you didn't quote it. You only wrote "1 John". That meant nothing.

It said , In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, he was in the beginning with God and all things where made by him and for him?

I have told you this already to go back to Bible class but this time, come to Bible class in the Muslim school. We will teach you your Bible very well. You have no idea what this verse means.

First all, this is second person reporter, "in the beginning was the word". Who is speaking there?. Definitely not God not Jesus. So who's speaking in the verse?.

Second, if you return to original Greek manuscript it shows "the word was with God and the word was God's" which means possessive pronoun. That's, the word is creation not God. I'm Islam it is called "Be, and it is". So the word was God's is imperative verb. It is a creative phrase used by God anytime He Commands something.

Now tell me.. with this illustration or should I say statement....wat will you presume the word to be? If not a God.

who tells you Jesus is God in the verse?. Who is speaking in the verse?.

Remember he was with God almighty and all things was made by God almighty for him and through him.

so he was with God, fine. This means a God already existed. Now his creation was with him which means he can't be God again. Think think think. I will format your brain on NL.

Remember it also say he came to the world and the world didn't recognize him even though he created the world.

are you saying Jesus created the world?. But this contracts your Bible

John 5:30, "By myself I can do nothing;"

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dipsetbang:
Then you simply don't understand what a miracle is. I don't expect you to though. After all, the Mohammed you revere so much was the only prophet in history that didn't perform a single miracle. You simply can't relate.

you have nothing to say jare. Jesus did not perform any miracles, God did.

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ifiokjohn:
So you believe all these parts?
Why don't you also believe the part that says Jesus is God.

them you should first clear your contradiction. You now says Jesus is God. But you said earlier Jesus is son of God. Now you believe he's also prophet. See your confusion?

For eg, 1John....In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was "God"

Or Hebrew1:8... And to the son he said, " Your throne oh God.. ( who was speaking there? If it God, why would he call Christ God?

Now don't allow us also go to the book of Revelation....the Moment all the angels bowed and worship the slain lamb.

you are a rookie. You need Bible class and we Muslims will teach you. 1john you quote is not talking about Divinity of Jesus. That's your loose translation. Anyways, to safe me time, I will use your same Bible to kill you there. Done you believe Jesus is son of God, Jesus is man, Jesus is prophet and Jesus is also God, all these alone are self contradictory.

Your Bible says

Numbers 23:19

"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent:...."

You must repent for your blasphemes

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ifiokjohn:
thank God you said Unto Man. Jesus wasn't Man...we keep telling you. Jesus is son of God.
And to the son, he said...Sit at my right until I make your enemies your footstool.

He didn't say this to any angel, he didn't say this to any man, he didn't say this to any 24 elders in heaven.
He said this to His Son.

Jesus Christ Resurrected...Wasn't it Jesus Christ that told his disciples that he will be arrested, killed and on the third day he will rise again. If Jesus Christ didn't rise then he means he was not a prophet of God( as you Muslims put it) because it means he lied.
But since we using the Bible here.. you can see in the Bible he talked about his resurrection.
He died to set us free from sins

why do you need I needed this epistle?. I showed your own Bible verses to you confirming beliefs of Muslims. Hence you can not condemn Muslims for validating what your Bible says.

As for ressurection, I already posted that up there. Your Jesus is dead according to your Bible

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Sammerboi:
Muric and that attention seeking Prof don’t speak for the Muslims in south west please. They speaks to please Buhari and the Fulani regime. I’m Muslim and can’t condone it when the prophet is compared to any mere mortal. Muric should do the needful and apologies soon.

it seems you didn't read Quran. Did you ever read this Ayah of Quran?

Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. 33:21

What is your understanding of the Ayah?. This is the Ayah MURIC related to but it seems you NIGERIANS are bunch of educated dullard including you so called Muslim

And who is Jesus according to you?

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Reglad2020:
Isn’t there anything good in Muhammad that muric could compare buhari to ? Isn’t there a record that he healed anyone or raised any dead or opened the eyes of a blind man or fed multitudes with five loaves of bread and two fishes or he healed ten leper’s or he died and rose the third day and he’s alive forever ? Hallelujah My Jesus did all this and much more

Jesus did not perform any miracles, God did.

"Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know - Acts 2:22

It is clear you Christians are myopic. MURIC have you honor but you rejected it. Why then you people claimed to be "christlike"?. Isn't that comparison?.

Politics › Re: Primate Ayodele To MURIC: You Are A Disgrace For Comparing Buhari To Jesus by Empiree: 3:44pm On Jun 15, 2021

[quote author=ifiokjohn post=102752233][/quote]Ressurection shocked

that's fraud perpetrated by Paul.

This is what your Bible says:

Hebrews 9:27

And as it is appointed unto men to die once, but after this the judgment:

As a cloud vanishes and is gone, so one who goes down to the grave does not return - Job 7:9

Your Jesus is dead and not coming back. He did not ressurect

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