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fortran12:
Your prophet being pushed under the bus

whatever that means to you?. History book is not revelation, buddy.

true2god:
Mention a single incident of religious violence in the SE or SS. How many muslims have died in the SS or SE and how many chrisyians have died in the north as a result of religous violence? Be sincere and answer the simple question.

are incidents up north all about religion?. Don't they have other issues going on there that led to chaos?. Plus North side is too political that's why everything is rough there. SE, SS is like Nigeria dumpster. Besides there are so many exarggerated stories about North.

If you are sensible enough you should realize that this whole thing about "persecution of CHRISTIANs" in Nigeria is sinister to create domino effect. It is just a distraction from moving Africa forward. Anytime you see foreign people meddling and siding with certain people in Africa they are up to no good. But unfortunately they use CHRISTIANS as persecuted people while Muslims are portrayed as boogeymen. Keep falling for their trash.

fortran12:
Are u embarrassed?

about what?

Magicians:
This is what is called propanGandi e senior ganda.

Flier:
Imagine no tangible project on the list
He is investing money on e-warriors
Ajimobi constructed lot of roads and Bridges,this one is sharing the wealth

nigerians can never be pleased. You guys are 50% of nigeria's problems. If he was fixing roads and missed salary payment you nincompoops would say he owes salary. Like a guy rightly said some days ago, "85% of nigerians need brain rehabilitation".

fortran12:
Those were the true acts of Mohammed, Sahih muslim also contains some of his violent acts, these books cant be lies, people followed this man like a cult leader, anything he did was regarded as holy. Some even commented about the whiteness of his thigh, shows what sort of hold he had on their minds.

You missed road?

Those who outrightly condenmed Jalabi are extreme. Most of them are modern Alfa or kids who have no experience in life. I watched a lecture few years ago talking about Jalabi. I believe Imam Offa delivered the lecture and he said jalabi was set up by Alfas in Yorubaland to care for Muslims so that they don't have to take their problems to oher religion.

That's what we are witnessing now. Some now believe there is no healing in Islam. Because of this they seek solution to their problems in church and covert. There are malpractices in jalabi today but condemnation is not the solution. There are always malpractices in every field.

There are those amongst them who mix things up but still, it is very important to be careful not to castigate them. As I said before when I went to Nigeria briefly and talked to my Sheikh, I asked him some quick questions about Jalabi.

He said yes, Jalabi exist in Islam but in Yorubaland, some do mix it with Yoruba juju some of which are not against Sharia outright and some are in conflict with Shari'a of Islam.

He gave me examples. He said healing for treatment of physical body and spiritual is allowed like using Honey, Olive oil, ewe egbo etc. He is against ose dudu, and he condenms the use of animal like alangba, Ori oka, Ori sebe and animal meat generally for kadara related issues.

He went further to ósé awure, eyonu awón agba etc, he said by devising different "dark" methods as the solution is Haram. He said istigfar is antidote for this. You don't need ose awure, Ori oka etc. These things are not part of jalabi. They are agbamo inherited in Ile Yoruba and he said they are Haram.

However, he doesn't condenm ose dudu for healing in Yoruba way but not the best. For instance, a child is sick with strange illness and he's very hot or suffers hypothermia, and Alfa or alawo etc quickly use ose dudu to bath the sick and he's okay. This is allowed provided there is nothing Haram in it.

We can deduce this from narration in seerah where nabi(saw) asked the locals about what they use to cure so so and so or another narration about farming where Nabi Muhammad (saw) thought it would be appropriate to plant a certain seed and the locals said it was not the time to plant the seed. This indicates that there are local traditional that are okay for as long as there is no Haram in it.

Also with respect to using animal parts or entire animal, this is not essentially Haram as long animal itself is classified halal in Sharia law. But using them for spiritual growth or spiritual needs like work promotion, itaja, awure etc, my Sheik said that is Haram and borderline shirk because there are Islamic alternatives to deal with spiritual uplifting etc. That's, dhikr is the solution to this. As you could see everything I have been recommending here is a dhikr bcuz I don't know anything about ewe and egbò nor do I know anything about using animal for kadara.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with ewe ati egbo. Allah's Names are in them that's why they work. People used them for good and bad. That's where precaution is taken. As for using animal for healing, this is only restricted to physical and sometimes spiritual but not kadara.

Let's take actor Antar Laniyan for example. Do you know that Antar is the name of animal (Eran Igbe)?. Actor Antar Laniyan was very sick as a child and he was taken to places but no solution and someone recommended someone somewhere in a village where solution was proffered. They searched for animal called Antar, slaughtered it, made stew from it and with leafs etc and that's how he was cured and his name was changed to or was given Antar after the name of the animal. Actor's last name is Olaniyan. So they coined his name "Antar Laniyan". This was version of his story I read some 10yrs ago. Read his story online.

So it would be unfair for a Muslim to say nabi didn't do this, therefore it is haram. Actor's sickness might not exist in the time of nabi. Sicknesses or ailments vary from a country to another. We are not homogeneous people.

So basically, anything that has to do with kadara like seeking job, seeking job promotion, itaja, ogun owo, eyonu agba(nonesense.. how about eyonu omode ). My Sheikh said iyonu olohun is what we should seek and that is istigfar. So all these things that have to do with kadara, we don't need ose dudu, ebo ori meta etc. He said some Alfa do this and it is not their fault. It is how Islam came to them. He also said not all Alfas are like that. There are those who believe without using anything. That their faith is as strong as rock. That they exist in Yorubaland as well.


He said however not all these Alfa actually use these Haram or do this Haram activities or shirk for themselves. He said they only know it and they device these things for nonmuslims clients only and lazy ikhwan. This is where it gets tricky but he said they should just leave it. This is where some Muslims today, when they see someone or nonmuslim visits Alfa and Alfa recommends something questionable like for instance, awure or ogun itaja, they prepare ose dudu or something similar because the later doesn't know Arabic or Qur'an. For this reason they use Yoruba method. But their intention is not meant for aqeeda purposes. But folks like puritan would hear this and scream "Alfa elebo".

So this is why it is better to drop this method and should simply organize Dua which is what we used to do back home for most people. Bro, nkan be faah that I don't care to mention. But let me give one.

Me and my sheikh talked about a sick person who was brought to him. I think this happened few yrs ago. So obviously I was not there. He said when he saw him he asked if he's Muslim and his family said no because he can't talk. So he said it is waste of time going through complex Dua since there is a shutcut.

He asked him to sleep overnight and the first pee in the morning he should use it to wipe his face as entire body. And indeed the guy did it and he talked and got well. He wanted to give him money but he turned it down.

So I asked isn't this Haram since urine is Haram on our body and I cited hadith to that effect?. He said yes, but he's not Muslim that's why I used that. If he's Muslim, a muslim will pray so we used other method. There are antidotes in our ownselves. Same things applies to saliva. I don't even want to get into this. So he simply said something like this is called "menumo" but you don't use this for Muslims. Allah is pure and accept only pure".

Now another trick is what if that nonmuslim accepts Islam in the future and recounts this method used for him as Christian?. His sense should tell him that that was the method that suited him at the time because many of them are muslims today or were Muslims before but they were agbero, touts and these folks didn't mind using juju. After they started practicing and learned Islam they started screaming Alfa elebo and not considering their own situation at the time. I hope you grabbed my point?.

tstx:
Typical of Ndi Oyibo.. Always spewing trash about the African Continent... Very inconsiderate people

There's no war against Africa's Christians

it is their trick. They always love portraying christianity as persecuted religion while they take advantage of Africa economy but the idiots called African CHRISTIANs are too blind to see.

Anytime they want to do their dirty trick in Africa they would say they want to help African CHRISTIANS and portray Islam as boogeyman. I don't subscribe to this lies in their article. They never talked about kidnapped Muslims in the North by Christians and forced them to covert to christianity.

LadunaI:
What is Jalabi? This seems to have different definitions to do many people.

As much as there are evidence within sunnah of how some sahaba pray using Quran as a cure for certain ailment or problem, there seems that many modern days forms of healing as taking different dimensions, combining the above methodology with orthodox form of healing obscuring what is halal from haram.

How about those claiming there is no jalabi in Islam, are they off?.

Also what's your take on cobweb, does it have any significant to ones qadar?.


Modified

Came across this thread and realized it was discussed before. But still, let's hear your view.

https://www.nairaland.com/2625242/prayer-cobweb-attack

Jalabi ( جالب) or healing or شفاء

Let's discuss this controversial topic that is causing so much brouhaha in yorubaland. What is your definition and and understanding of this topic in Islam. Some said there is no jalabi in islam. Some said the kalima itself does not exist, hence it cant be used even if definition is right. Some simply dont like the name. Some believe it is mix and needs sorting etc. Some believe without doubt that it is in islam backed by Quran and Sunnah.

true2god:
Adebowale stop this nonsense. Human being of 1500 years have not changed a bit, at least physically. You dont also believe in huma evolution. What mohammed did to Aisha is bad; you cannot take an innocent girl of 6, as a wife, as sleep with her at 9. It is child abuse.

Remember we debated pilgrimage issue that all prophets and mesangers(including Moses and Jesus) made pilgrimage to Mecca that you denied like some 5yrs ago, 3 yrs ago respectively?. Here is 15 mins clip. Watch what this Jewish writer had to say


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW0FrgSd80k&t=90s

Donaldoni:
Nigerians can be so greedy and fraudulent

Guy, wake the phuck up. Most people do this including white people. But you Nigerians hate one another. You guys are so divided along tribal and ethnic line.

There are bunch of Britons and Americans committing Food Stamp and WIC fraud everyday. This woman was just unfortunate to get caught. Do you think there are no British getting caught about this everyday?. Just because you don't hear about them doesn't mean they don't do fraud. She should have put her house on someone else's name that she trust. African Americans do this all the time and they play the game along. Govt is aware but they are not easy to catch. Whoever gets caught is baraooo

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juman:
China action against the Uighur Muslims is criminal.

Why world Muslims leaders saying nothing about the persecution and humiliation of the Uighur Muslims?

They kept mute bcus of economy interest. May Allah give them what they deserve.

adoyi8:
chinese who have deleted religious myths from their heads and have applied practical means to solve mans problem. The Chinese people who majority of the religiously brainwashed world depend on for basic things.



I guess they will just turn a blind eye to it and pretend that nothing happen.

Why are chinese preaching christianity in africa if religion is myth to them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVew_6nQ96c&t=62s

Razram:
Even christians are helping muslims develop their religion now than the so called muslims scholars themselves financially. I dont know their problem with luxury life of this duniyah rather than work on expandinh islam. @emperee there are so many things that cant be discussed here explicitly

I know. But for me, I don't care. I talk it out loud bcuz they pissing me off. It doesn't matter whether they are Sufi, Alhusunnah, Salafi or whatever names they gave themselves. They are all guilty. Wallahi Islam was beautiful in the 80s and 90s that I grew up. Rich Muslims funded Islam.

There was love to some extent. Now you go on Facebook it is Muslims fighting muslims most of the time over irrelevant things.

voltron14:
Nigerian jews you mean.

both of them

They about to impeach Nigeria christians messiah

Greatness28:
With Government fund.. This is Wonderful

ddeola:
Wetin be government business

Mumu leaders

Sijo01:
So it's now government duty to build religious houses.

It is well.

Guys, I have my reservation for this development but it baffles me how hypocritical CHRISTIANs can be.

Do you realize that Abuja national church was built or completed by obj at the expense of Nigerian treasury?. Obasanjo tasked all states in Nigeria to build the church. But Abuja central mosque was built by donations.

Razram:
to be candid muslims in nigeria are very stingy coupled with corrupted islamic NGOs around. Who if visited for assistance will give so many excuses that one will even be pissed of to go there again
It got to a stage i decided to never go to any ialamic NGOs again for support

You are the 3rd person to tell me about this corrupt Muslim NGOs. They got the money from gulf countries to help muslims in Nigeria but they utilized the funds for their selfish gain.

They built schools that average Muslims can not afford and they come to nija to condenm practices that are halal just bcuz they have their means of getting money.

First, I am not in support of just handling money to average Muslims or people anyhow. They should rather create foundation that includes but not limited to school (Islamic and Western education), vacational courses and training for all types of handiwork (carpentry, tailoring, nursing, mechanicals, etc). Sports, farming, restaurants, comparative religion (Bible and Qur'anic studies for Muslims etc. And the funds are meant to fund the people. Also use the funds to finance serious muslim traders or small businesses (upon verification of their businesses). These things would keep Muslims busy and learning.

If they do these they will further attract donors and sponsors. I heard that there are rich Muslims in Nigeria willing to fund Islamic projects but they don't trust Alfas in charge because they fear they will divert the funds. Isn't that true now?.

I wish Allaah blessed me like MKO. Money is meant to be spent the right way. You can't take it to the grave. It hurts me so bad when I see pastors in the Muslim community spraying cash or giving them food as if muslims are church rats.

Look at Alhaji sulaiman Adegunwa of Ososa. He used to spend money on Islam. Look at eleganza. Look at Dangote, Tinubu and so many more of them that can fund Muslims but they don't trust Muslim leaders that are close to poor Muslims so they keep to themselves. I learned not too long ago that when Tinubu was governor some Alfas used to visit him only for their pocket instead of Muslim concerns. Years after he left office Jamiu Adegunwa said he and few others visited tinubu at his residence about crowning Tinubu as "baba adini" but he refused. His excuse was that if he accept the title he wouldn't be able to conform to his lifestyle. That he wants to enjoy life but if there is anything they need financially for Islam no problem.

It was then he confessed to them that all the Alfas that visited him only came to him for their personal needs not for Islam or Muslims. Jamiu Adegunwa said Tinubu love Islam despite his non-Islamic appearance. So he said because of their selfish interest was the reason he barred them from coming to him again.

He said but the CHRISTIAN leaders came to him for Christian projects when he was in power. See that? And he gave them money.

LadunaI:
Yes for some time.

His name was Sheikh Jafar, he was assassinated when praying solat subh at his residence @ Kofar Mata near BUK old site.

It was more of politically motivated killing during Shekarau tenure, during electioneering in 2007.

I'd thought it was BH that killed him too. Anyways it was possible since Boko boys are politically motivated. But was the sheikh into politics?

aumeehn:
oh! He was killed in Kaduna, i think he was killed by BH. He was bashing BH left right and center, he knows their leader Mohammed Yusuf very well. Went to same school with some of his children.

oh yes, I heard he was very critical of the stupid group. Ofcourse they killed him.

LadunaI:
No that's not a name for the Sheikh, but the name of neighborhood where he was murdered. It was an area, though can't remember vividly if that's truth, but heard about it when it happened. I had long left KN when it happened.

oh you lived in Kano before.

What's his name then?. I always hear "Sheikh Albani Zaria". I thought that was his name

LadunaI:
OK....Yeah Sheikh Jafar was murdered while praying salat, I think Kofar Mata in Kano. He was critical of those called Puritans at the time when he was assassinated. .

Now I'm able to get his picture through Sheikh Ja'far's Google search. I was trying to remember Sheikh Muhammad Auwal Albani Zaria.

I don't know the one @bold. Hearing about the name first time. What happened to that one?

LadunaI:
Which Sheikh is that? I mean assassinated. Is it not the one based in Kano.

his name really went off my head. I have been struggling to remember. I used to mention his name back in 2014. He was killed before or after given lecture on his way home along with his wife and children by BH. Allegation first emerged that Sufis killed him as presented by Sheikh Isa Akindele(this was just sectarian trash that was not substantiated). The hausa man was Salafi and was said to know so many ahadith. I just can't remember his name anymore but if I see his picture I know him. As for Sheik Ja'far Mahmud Adam he was shot while praying salat.

aumeehn:
Empiree

I understand you 100%!

Do you listen to Sheik Ja'far Mahmud Adam??

I am not Hausa now. I once watched him and realized his lecture was in Hausa. So that put me off since then and his counterpart that was also assassinated along with his children. I forgot his name.

aumeehn:
@emp.iree

You are really trying! Even though it's my dream to go and live abroad, I can't be away for a very long time like you did! 20years!! Wow!

Here in the North Mallams do preach in community mosque at any given time and Fridays is entirely meant for Leactures!

The reason I don't like All this Maulid celebration is the way Men and Women, Married women will be out there jumping and shouting The Prophets (S.A.W) name like they are in a political campaign or Party! Loud Speakers and even DJ's and with the little knowledge I have Islamic songs are not haram but mixing it with different sounds is what makes it haram! I use to listen to some Islamic songs on AFRICA TV3 Channel, no beats no DJ's just 100% voice.

And Also this Wazifa of a thingere people will sit round a white piece of cloth! Yoruba mosques do it aot here

about mawlid, the reason it looks like that too you is because Africans or black people generally are not organized. Mawlid is not done in Africa only. It is worldwide thing. They do mawlid here too and well organized. Africans are sick wounded people. Mental colonization is still affecting Africa.

If africans can't get politics right, if they can't govern themselves, what do you expect on mawlid?. Did you see mawlid in Russia?. See how organized they are.

As for Sunday as-salatu, it is absolutely "shariatic". Whether some people like it or not yes a matter of choice. Asalatu is prayer and learning center and they fix it on Sundays. As-salatu is derived from solat ala nabi or salawat.

Problem I gave with mawlid, as-salatu and other extra Islam activities are excesses by some lunatics. Otherwise these activities are Islamic.

LadunaI:
That's more than enough to meet with NL delegations atleast for a day lol... Even check on on your second home-Ilorin, and see how it looks like now. I guess you run go back seen how 'disorganized' Nigeria was...lol

I actually planned a week visit just to see how things look like, especially your roads. It was not wise to make long trip to ilorin since i dont know how things look like now especially with sad news we have heard many times about nigerian roads. I actually have someone to visit in ilorin as well but i didnt tell him i was going to nija since i didnt know how things are currently. Plus i wish to visit my old hoods (Adeta and Gari Alimi). I heard that all the babas i left there have gone back to their Lord.

It well, we shall definitely meet one day insha Allah here or there. But you no do well, after 20yrs, you for plan like a month visit now before heading back again. Perhaps other commitment might not permit it especially job.

Job doesn't allow me to stay longer than this. Although if i want to spend a month it is up to me.

The attack from Puritans on legitimacy of maolud is enough distraction, and couple with ignorance of many murid to taking advantage of such occasions and benefiting from it.

For how many days do you recite that Surat yasin 313. The one I posted above.

I was just thinking crazy about arguments back and forth. Makes no sense. I was thinking a lot about ways to utilize mawlid holiday. There is a lot muslims can do with the holiday. It is also a means of Dawah. I mapped out my opinion about it few weeks ago to someone offline but i dont understand how nigerian muslims think.

Ulama in nigeria (at least Yoruba) should use famous open field in Lagos like Tinubu sq, Lekki, Tafawa Balewa sq , Ikoyi etc and organize a very big space for series of programs. Mallam Yusuf Adepoju, Ustaz Agbeti, Ustaz Jamiu Adegunwa and all the comparative should spend an hr or more to give lecture televised on live big screen. Alongside them Alfa oni figh and sharia give short lectures on this aspect that address muslims. Alongside, there should be learned men of tasawwuf or islamic spirituality also give lectures for like 30 mins. Also have stage play islamically. Pick short story from islamic history and trained some muslims like we did back in the 90s. We staged play about the conversion story of S. Umar(ra). I acted alfa for Saheed and Fatima(Umar's daughter). They should also have sensible islamic singers also for few minutes. Then sound alfa who know seerat ul nabi to narrate some story about the prophet and many other activities. This is far better than arguments over validity of Mawlid every year. This makes no sense.

If they do this they will attract big donors from muslims and non muslims, and money generated from mawlid goes to charity account or foundation for muslims to alleviate poverty not to be pocketed by some people. So muslims don't have to beg non muslims for food or pastors taking advantage of them. But it seems current generation of muslims in yorubaland are mentally deficient(astagfirullah). Islam does not in any shape or form condemns anything to promote islam even if such means were not done by Nabi, Sahaba, tab'in, tab'in ta'in etc.

Islam is very flexible in this area. There is no room for rigidity. If christians have opportunity to have christian holidays 3 times a week they would take it and make good use of it. But muslims are very sick. We have hadith that support this gathering bcuz this gathering is for Allah and his message. This is exactly what Mawlid is about. This is one sunnah


Abu Saeed Khudri (RA) narrates that Muawiyah (RA) came to a group of people in the mosque and said, “… The Messenger of Allah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) came to a group of his Companions in the mosque and said, ‘Why are you sitting?’ They said, ‘We are sitting remembering Allah and paying our thanks to Him for His favour of guiding us to Islam.’ The Holy Prophet (SAW) said, ‘Do you say that on oath that is what has made you sit here?’ They submitted, ‘By Allah we are sitting here only for this purpose.’ The Holy Prophet (SAW) said, ‘I have not made you take oath for any doubt but the truth is that Gabriel came and told me that Allah is expressing His pride on you in front of angels.’”

References

►Muslim, as-Sahih (4:2075#2701)

►Tirmidhi, as-Sunan (5:460#3379)

►Nasai, as-Sunan (8:249#5426)

►Ahmad bin Hambal, al-Musnad (4:92)

►Ibn Hibban, as-Sahih (3:95#813)

►Ibn Abi Shaybah, al-Musannaf (6:59#29469)

►Tabarani, al-Mujam-ul-kabir (19:311#701)

►Mindhiri, at-Targhib wat-tarhib (2:259#2317)



As for Yasin 313, if i really get serious and devoted it is 2 days. But i dont rush since there is nothing to rush about. So normal time frame is 3.

LadunaI:
Wow 20yr! And you don't let us know so that we can meet up and say Salam live and direct. Thank God for the journey mercies.

I believed it can be rectify, provided this kind of preaching is intensify, though might take longer time but definitely possible.

Tassawuf is NOT for tom and harry. It just an elementary school leavers going directly to MSc...Lol

LOL... i was there less than a week. I hope they revive it tasawwuf. Muslims in nigeria especially yorubaland dont make use of many opportunities that Allah opened for them in islam especially job and dawah opportunities. It is sasd and this is due to sectarian differences. Mawlid is one big opportunity but they don't make use of it.

LadunaI:
This interesting clip. The buck of problems on tasawwuf stem from illiterate folks that barely no the basic of Deen started doing tariqa. I think the prerequisite for any iniation should be how verse person as gone in term of fiqh and Sharia.

It been long my sheikh, we're thirsty of irfan knowledge. Give us something to ponder over. Even the stories you normally share goes along in open our eyes to some important stuff.

i very much hate those lazy guys. They are the reason puritan condemn tassawuf. I just wonder if there isn't proper coordination or top learned men to put these people in check?. They annoy me a lot. They come out and start speaking woroworo. Everything in Nigeria is just always negative especially when it comes to Muslims. It is not too late to rectify things now. The way things are going down I am afraid Islamic spirituality will be obliterated either by way of total condemnation or hereticism(devoid of figh and Sharia). I went to Nigeria briefly 2 weeks ago first time in about 20yrs. Spent very short time with my sheikh and asked few questions. Alhamdululah he didn't differ from many things we have said here generally.

Read a thread recently that the name Muahammed is now among the 10 most common name given to new born in the State now. Wow! more of that till Islam spread more in that part of the world. And hope with beautiful dawah.

Indeed. Same thing surfaced some years back. Just watch out for mad news. Media hate this kind of thing. They don't want mankind to hear or know anything positive relate to "Muhammad". You get to hear arrests of Muslim boys and their names are muhammad. But their hands don fall now. They have tried this several years ago but failed. Here we are again, Muhammad tops the list of baby names in America.

YorubaKing:
>85% of Nigerians are mentally disabled!

Kestolove:
When u have a scammer and an illiterate as a president, things like this shouldn't surprise u...Abacha death will be a child play compare to that old criminal in aso rock...

guy, shut up. Nigerians are part of the problems.

If govt must to get things right, first they must offer mandatory 2yrs rehabilitation course for all citizens. Nigerians brain need reset.

Sometimes govt do the right thing but you see citizens mess things up. Picture of newly or ongoing rail tracks surfaced few days ago where Nigerians are removing essential parts of the rails to sell. Are you guys normal at all?. And you are here blaming govt again. You guys are sick in the head. Nigerians are difficult to govern.

All these stupid human right groups need to channel their rants at Israel for violations of human rights of the Palestinians, China for violations of human rights of her Muslim citizens and Burma for violation of human rights of her muslim citizens.


No country on Earth would allow you to walk away for calling for revolution. Not even United States. It is clearly against the US Constitution to try to overthrow the govt. He's lucky he tried this is Nigeria. If he tried this in US he would have disappeared overnight without traces.

Besides there is no DSS in this court. And Nigeria media need some discpline