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you just shot yourself in the foot throughout this post. Let me highlight for future readers

fortran12:
You do not understand what the bible is, God is not the only one speaking in the Bible, it contains stories of people who interacted with God, revelations of things to come, history of the Jewish people all leading to Jesus. The Bible is not a rule book that contains God speaking all through.
When people say the Bible is God's word, what they mean is it contains the massage of salvation to mankind from God not God speaking literally in all the verses and books

There were no Christians at the time of Jesus, the portion you mentioned was talking about is John.
The main thing is what did Jesus call himself? Why was he crucified? He was killed because of the claim he made about himself; him being the son of God and making himself equal to God.

For fact that you said God is not the only one speaking, bro, thank you. You spoke the truth. There bunch of people including a voice that came from heaven as recorded in Matthew 3:17 Is that voice of God or who.

Second highlight you said Christianity did not exist in the time of Jesus. Woooow... bravo bros for speaking the truth. Implication is that Christianity is counterfeit religion attributed to Jesus not what Jesus preached. So when muslim argued that christianity came much after Jesus had left the earth they are very correct. Christianity came from Rome not Jesus.

Third highlight, my question to you is, those who killed Jesus, are they gonna enter Heaven or Hell?

fortran12:
Also her lineage is in the book of Luke chapter 3. Show me a Jewish document countering the claim of Luke of disproving the stories in is book

But Luke said he documented hearsays. How is his account relevant?

fortran12:
You claim we shld accept the quran's claim about Mary, but what is her business with an arabian merchant in mecca, there is no relationship. The Jews have her biography, why should the Bible contain it when I mentioned that the reason for the Bible is Jesus. From the beginning, its Jesus not Mary. The bible is not a book of history people, but that of Jesus, the lineage of Mary and Joseph were added to show Jesus came all the way from Adam and not to grant Mary of Joseph special status.

In that case, what's your business as African (perhaps) with Jewish man (Jesus)?.

fortran12:
You claim we shld accept the quran's claim about Mary, but what is her business with an arabian merchant in mecca, there is no relationship. The Jews have her biography, why should the Bible contain it when I mentioned that the reason for the Bible is Jesus. From the beginning, its Jesus not Mary. The bible is not a book of history people, but that of Jesus, the lineage of Mary and Joseph were added to show Jesus came all the way from Adam and not to grant Mary of Joseph special status.

In that case, what's your business as nigerian (perhaps) with Jewish man (Jesus)?

fortran12:
What is your source? Luke was a disciple (follower) of Jesus, he not was among the original 12, as they were the inner one but may have been part of the 70.

“Of the apostles, therefore, John and Matthew first instil faith into us; whilst of apostolic men, Luke and Mark renew it afterwards.” - Tertullian

So even though he was not part of the 12, that does not disprove his claims, he was mentioned to have close ties with other followers of Jesus in the Bible.

Guy, be sensible. Luke said he gospel was hearsays from EYEWITNESSES which means he didnt hear directly from Jesus which means he was not disciple. You mentioned Tertullian. Was Tertullian alive in the time of Jesus?. From his profile shows he came centuries after Jesus.

fortran12:
What did Jesus and his disciples call him, the crowd did not know better , if they saw him as their messiah why did part of them agree he be crucified. In the Bible there are several voices speaking, but the one that matters is who is the person making the claim. Just as when jesus was on the cross and made some statemant, some people said he was calling for Elias, but was that true? no. they were wrong , always check the speaker before you think its in the bible so its God speaking.

@bold just collapsed you claim that Bible is word of God. You just messed up. You have just proved to the world that Bible is not word of God. In John 1:21, christians believe Jesus was the prophet mentioned in the passage. Yes or no?. If answer is yes, then you contradict yourself.

Actually, your statement @bold is a proof that Bible is not of God but compilation of hearsays.

fortran12:
Luke was a disciple of Jesus am sure you think there were only 12.

Like was Jesus disciple? So you are really full like this. What do follow follow for your pastor.

Not even Paul was disciple of Jesus talkless of Luke. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and Paul were not disciples of Jesus.

fortran12:
The bible is about Jesus so what do I need to do with how Mary was given birth to her lineage is in the book of Luke so you can trace and see where she is from. Since she was a Jew and an important one that mohammed had to steal her character and insert it into his "revelation" show me any Jewish text contradicting her lineage that Luke presented.

since you can not confidently present biblical evidence for the lineage of Mary, then you have no reason to refute Qur'an's claim

fortran12:
LOL. am really surprised. The Bible is a book of books talking about the messiah and his life and message. The Jewish prophets wrote down prophecies about Jesus and how he fulfilled all was written in the new testament.

So how come your book is missing history background of Mary if your is "book of books"?

The way muslims think is a prophet must have a book etc, sorry , Jesus was not a prophet, he was the predicted messiah talked about in Genesis and the whole bible is about him.

it seems you don't read your Bible. Read this and tell me what Jesus is called?.


"The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee." Mathew 21:11


You don't know your Bible

Nigerian police lack marksmanship, period.

malvisguy212:
hey bro, how you , long time. trust all is well ?

Alhamdulillah, all is well brother. Hope you enjoyed your holiday?

aumeehn:
please Brother i need to be enlightened please. I have a Christian brother that needs help. Is it OK to help or it is wrong?

Why not if it is not gonna be at your detrimental and if it is not haram.

malvisguy212:
the contradiction did not exist when you Read the context. if you claimed there is contradiction, than reply my post before you modified it. don't you think so ?

you are still CHRISTIAN?. I thought you embraced Islam in Finland?.

Some of your pastors said Xmas is pagan festival

Odogu9195:
Here is the thing. You see the Muslim middle class?? Those ones have sense. The set of people u should be afraid of na those poor ones wey carry Islam for head! You don’t have to be a Christian to celebrate Christmas!! It’s the holidays for F sake! Religious wars are basically people killing themselves over who has the better imaginary friend!

those church goers that enriched your pastors, what do you call them?. Aren't they mumu pass?

LadunaI:
^^^
Pls @empiree can you kindly share the video here so that we can watch it.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=528593084533463&id=1408022469436535

Fast forward the first 10 minutes or until you see Alfa ibo on the screen. It is a little long like about 2hrs but once you start watching you don't wanna turn it off. I watched him live

Any of you watched Ustaz Jamiu Adegunwa's program yesterday with his guest?.

His guest was Igbo Muslim named Sheikh Salih Nwanekwu. Chai, listen to his experience. I have always noticed something. Muslims that are naturally gifted are Sufis by default even if they do not openly proclaim it. They lean towards tassawuf. He said something that many don't usually believe and that he was taught Qur'an by a supernatural being who appeared to him everyday for about a month. Hes quoting Qur'an to back his points without opening Qur'an. He got to a point where he said if someone opens Qur'an for him to read he can't point out or read all verses he quoted from Qur'an. He just know it by Divine order. He said he had no teacher and no one can come out to dispute his claim that he studied at XYZ.

By the time Islam takes root in igboland they are gonna be better than hausa and Yoruba. And there is this idea that when you ask Allah for something or when you pray for someone or for deceased, it is common knowledge we say "ola kuli huwa Allah" or simply recite be a sura etc. And he did that. This is common among average Muslims but today puritan reject this form of Dua.

AgentNairaland:
You said hate, Sebi your late prophet Muhammad and his god allah loves Christians according to

Quran 9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists (Christians and Jews) wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

well, Islam doesn't hide the truth. It says it like it is unlike your religion.

Besides, you inserted CHRISTIANs and Jews in the parentheses. All major translators did not write Jews and CHRISTIANs. What is simply mentioned in the verse are pagans, idolaters etc who specifically waged war on Muslims not peaceful nonmuslims that minded their business.

Anyways this doesn't absolve you of antibuhari and his administration

MrBrownJay1:
what is he complaining about....?! the US police does exactly the same thing, duh!

dont mind him

Midas01:
Common sense just eludes y'all when making such unfounded claims.

Let's see how much sense you got

AgentNairaland:
We Don't Need Your Greetings You this slave In The Captivity Of Late Prophet Muhammad And His god alllah

even your most "holiest" festival didn't stop you from hating your fellow human?. If Xmas couldn't stop your hate then your entire Bible is nothing but garbage. It is fake love it preaches.

Nigerians share 50% of Nigeria's problems

Perhaps China forgot that generations have passed or destroyed by God for their excesses.. They were more powerful and had more sophisticated military gears of their time but they were brought down to their knees.


And how many a generation have We destroyed before them who were better in possessions and [outward] appearance? - Qur'an


Christians don't have to worry about rewriting of their Bible because Bible is used to being rewritten, revised and rewritten countless times.

Yujin:
Lol. See someone bringing stories of kidnapped kids into issues of killings, destruction of properties and forceful occupation of the victims' lands. Shame on you. The ignoble kidnapping of kids was done by greedy criminals for childless families/women. Those kidnapped kids were well taken care of by their new guardians. They even enrolled them in schools. Compare that to the death and destruction your fulani Muslims bring to Christian areas. Tens of thousands of Christians have been victims of the fulani herdsmen menace. Their lands have been occupied and some even renamed to suit the fulanis with the tacit support of the government of Nigeria.

thanks for saying the truth. You confirmed they were kidnapped. Is kidnapping legal?. Don't cover with "they provide them food and send them to school". What rubbish is that?

As for fulani herdsmen, how do you know people killed were CHRISTIANs?. They wrote CHRISTIAN on their forehead?. What we learned was herdmen vs farmers. When did you guys turn it to herdmen vs CHRISTIANs?.

In the time of BH too they always screamed Christians were killed yet there are bunch of Muslims and Muslim scholars killed. CHRISTIANs are Nigeria's problems. They are bunch of brainwash fools.

Thisis2raw:
Presenting a Christmas card to a terrorist, see his disgust to the card

why are you guys so disrespectful?

FA13:
We are happy for him and for all sensible Nigerians because it shows what we can achieve. Not some paid miscreants though.

He was released after his country of residence intervened when his country of birth detained him illegally. Can you imagine!

you need to re-screenshot the attachment. It is not clear.

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vizkiz:
Released for committing what crime exactly?

God I hate this fuçking country!

See, I have nothing against Sowore personally and I'm glad he was released. But what I want you guys to understand is that Sowore himself knows too damn well that he can't call for revolution in USA. It is a crime tantamount to treason.

Pressures from international community actually undermined Nigerian Constitution but you are all rejoicing. Not only that, Sowore was seen in the company of anti Nigerian govt and anti Nigeria peace and security, Nnamdi Kanu. If you ally with "person of interest" in the US, you are accomplice and will subsequently jailed.

You forgot that even if Sowore won election he MUST, I repeat, he must listen to the dictates of Western power which will not change your pathetic condition. The same power that controls how Africa is governed. This is what MKO fought for and lost.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=460400754535738&id=147301539178996

Truth be told, Sowore's call for revolution was a crime. I can understand the need to change situation in that country but I suspect the guy being trojan horse. Just google his Sahara Media company in New York. It was funded by companies in the US including Ford Motors. So it was necessary for Western govt to come to his rescue to undermine Nigerian authority.

Please go through attached below and see consequences for calling for revolution in the US.

aumeehn:
i started reading it but got distracted lol. I thought i will still find it when i get back to the thread again you modified it! But i woudnt not mind if you will post it for me again since i am online now.

LOL...I intended to store the copy in my library for later post while it was only copied at the time I edited it. But unfortunately i lost the copy in the process. I can understand the need to edit it lol

fortran12:
No one said Jesus wrote the bible, The bible is a book of books and they were already compiled before the quran came along.

Bro, all your arguments are already destroyed by this honest statement of yours. In the time of Jesus, only he has the authority to either have "Bible" (let's assume it was his Book) written down and or compiled. No one else had this authority. Therefore, Bible is null and void regardless of who wrote and compiled it. You can agree those who wrote it were not prophets and messangers. In that case, you have no case

Why shuld we believe what the quran said about Mary when the book of her people say otherwise.

Kindly give us New Testament account of the birth of Mary?. Only then i can reason with you. Remeber i posted earlier that your Bible has no record of this. So you can't just dismiss Quran account by just telling us your book says otherwise.

The quran copied all these from religious text available to mohammed in that time.

where was the bible copied from since Jesus didnt write it?

Mary the mother of Jesus has nothing to do with Aaron , her genealogy is in the book of Luke. You still have not addresses how Ishmael who is supposed to be the father of the Arabs learnt arabic at a young age and how Amram who is the father of Moses , Aaron and Miriam became Imran in the quran.

If Mary has nothing to do with Jesus, why did Bible say "Jesus the son of David" (Matthew 1:1-17) when in fact, generations lapsed in btw?. You said her genealogy is in the book of Luke, pardon?. Who was Luke?. Was Luke authorized to write this?. Where did Luke gathered informations and stories in his book?. Luke himself confessed that stories in his book were hearsays


Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; Luke 1:2


So how am i to trust hearsays he documented?. Obviously this is not revelation but itan/aroba i:e the book of Luke is fable and fictitious

aumeehn:
** his father left him and came back to Naija after he was jailed. After 2years the guy was released unconditionally just like that and he wasnt deported, he is still running that same currency exchange business. My friend who gave me the Guys contact told me the guy is into all these islamic jazz lol (my said friend is christia i told him the guy might be into jazz or Jalabi but nothing like islamic jazz it doesnt exist. Except that sometimes some people use the halal way for haram Niyah which is wrong and some might be using the wrong way for the Right niyah which is also Wrong.

He was so lucky. Less than 2yrs. That means he was released this yr. He probably had good record prior to his arrest and it helped reduced his prison sentence. As for "jazz" etc, I really hate using those terms. They are used by touts that look for easy way of out something especially yahoo boyz. Anyway, every bad scheme and evcen dua intended to cause harm to someone even if you are in the right are all wrong. Islam teaches patient and restraining oneself. But i can understand instances where things are really tight and we tend to look for justice where we are losing. If we can just take heart and let it slide the better. Not that i encourage it but in tight situation where one feels the need, it should just be for that and that's it and make tawba afterward. But if it becomes habit whereby alfa threatens someone for every slight incident even if he is right, such alfa is classified bad and should be avoided. A good alfa would try all means to avoid using power that Allah gifted him.

aumeehn:
We muslims are truly blessed. This thread changed my life wallahi. I dont know that all i need to succeed in this life and the heareafter is inside the Quran that i always keep in my room. There was a prayer my Old man who happens to be a Modibbo gave me few months ago. Fast Seven days and Recite 25 Waqee'a inbetween all the five obligatory salats. On the last day of the fast one should recite 50 of the said surah instead of the normal 25. Making it 1k in one week. Honestly i'm feeling and experincing the result of that prayer.. Please Sheik Empiree i know that posting some things here is not healthy since its a public forum but help us and be dropping one or two Nakali for Those of us that have made up our minds to do it no matter the challenges. Thank you.

What is your take on Praying for a non muslim?? Something like Using Islamic Nakali to help a non muslim. I hope you understand the question.

You mean you read my post before i edited it?

aumeehn:
Sheik. What is nkaan bee faa?? I understand you usually talk with your sheik in Yoruba thats why sometimes you name somethings in Your language. Unfortunately for me i coudnt read the nakali you posted earlier, but there is a nakali that was given to me which has similar effects with the one you posted earlier. I was unable to do it even though i wanted to. I'm afraid someone will die and you see i have committed murder.
There is this friend of mine who is a student in China and we do run business together, through him i got a contact of his friend a Hausa guy from Kano who is also studying there and is into currency exchange, i usually send money and receive money through him. One thing leads to another the guy started run some Runs for G boys unfortunately for him he was arrested, this happened around sept 2017, his father traveled all the way to China and hired a lawyer to help clear the guy of all charges but it was unfortunate there are glaring evidences found against him.

@bold means mysteries literally, So the guy in china was already sentenced?