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tintingz:
Does a teenager have a say to reject arranged marriage?

Yes

tintingz:
And what's wrong with gay lesson?

now see another double standards. Is gay lesson right or wrong for children as young as 5 yrs?.

UK enforced law that children must be taught gay lessons at 5yrs old. Do you support this or not?.

It is yes or no answer

Saucyxo:
I actually had this conversation with a very well accomplished lawyer. The age of consent in Nigeria is 18. I actually went to go read the entire constitution relating to the issue. And you're actually punishable by imprisonment for life if you penetrate anyone below the age of 15 I believe.

later gave you rush answer not details. Don't me what a ghost lawyer says. I screenshot what Nigeria constitution says as if 2003. Marriageable age is what your do called lawyer said which is 18. But they can have SEX at 11 according to Nigeria constitution

Saucyxo:
If you want, I am willing to send you neurological studies as well as psychological studies about mental capacity of minors. .

what difference does it make when the same kids are given licence to have sex at 11?. Maybe you need to watch YouTube video above. The guy and the lady are 14 and 15. What you are saying is abuses which can happen in any form or shape.

Saucyxo:
Before I give you the statistics, can you acknowledge that even if only one muslim man in the entire world did this, it is wrong.

According to the united nations. "The 10 countries with the highest rates of child marriage are: Niger, 75 per cent; Chad and Central African Republic, 68 per cent; Bangladesh, 66 per cent; Guinea, 63 per cent; Mozambique, 56 per cent; Mali, 55 per cent; Burkina Faso and South Sudan, 52 per cent; and Malawi, 50 per cent." I'm sure you dont need me to tell you these are predominantly muslim countries. So I would call it an epidemic.

I'm not trying to say the media dont portray muslims in a negative light. But this is something we know is happening. Why are you more concerned about the media. The reality is, our muslim sisters are trying to BURN THEMSELVES ALIVE because they are too young to be married. They go through the pain of a first attempt burning and they continue to try to burn themselves in order to get out of a marriage that is unfulfilling. They are children. I don't know if you have kids but I've a little brother and I see the way he reasons. Like a child. Things you cannot even scold them for because you know that's just how their mind reasons. Kids that dont even know the proper ways to take care of themselves after childbirth. I still have to remind my 12year old cousins to brush their teeth.

okay, we seemed to have digressed long ago. I'm not here to talk about pedophilia. My point on this issue is kids have sex and babies which is now universal epidemic. What solution do you proffer to curb this?.

I gave numerous evidences but you guys failed to give solution. I cited American young kids having babies and Nigerian constitution allowing kids at 11 to have sex but you guys turned the other way and started talking about pedophilia.

Yet you agree there is no universal right or wrong. In that case you have no moral ground to condemn Muslim Man who marries young lady bcuz it is right thing to do according to him.

Abuses however is another topic. Nigerian constitution already abused children by making it legal for 11yr old to start having sex. This opens the door to all kinds of sexual perversion.

Cheers01:
Demmzy15, Rilwayne001. Keep keeping quiet in the face of PEDOPHILIA

don't worry about them. Attend to Nigeria constitution which says age of consent to have sex is 11. It doesn't say whether she has sex with older men or not. I'm only going with the flow. Is Nigeria constitution right or wrong for allowing sex at 11 years of age for children?. That's the root of the problem that you hypocritical failed to address

tintingz:
In northern Nigeria where muslims dominates that region child marraige is widely practice.

how is North your problem when you feel it is okay to teach children as young as 5 years old to attend gay lessons in UK?.

As the lady rightly said, there is no universal right or wrong

Cheers01:
It is an epidemic in Northern Nigeria where ss3 secondary school girls are already married to older men.

are you from up North? How is that your concern?. If you feel it is okay for your wife to walk around topless without any shame on your part, then it is none of your business to determine what is better for the North

Saucyxo:
Absolutely. Where the lines of autonomy in terms of moral standpoint gets drawn is when someone is being hurt.

Some people do like it that way. The issue with them liking it that way and it being an issue is because 13 year olds do not have the mental maturity or capability to give consent.

how do you know 13 yr old doesn't have mental capacity to give consent?. You are following your whims. Nigeria constitution says age of consent to have sex is 11.

Saucyxo:
I wasnt talking about little kids getting married anyways. I'm talking about the epidemic of older muslim men marrying young ladies. Its wrong in America, it's wrong in China, its wrong in Nigeria. Its wrong when Christians do it, it's wrong when muslims do it and its wrong when Hindus do it.

That's where I've seen you insinuate that it is okay. .

becareful of your choice of word. You said epidemic which means majority of Muslim men marry young ladies.

Tell us percentage of muslim men who married young ladies in Nigeria?. I am sure it is less than 1%. In that case it is not epidemic.

It is rather a rare case. If you think it is only muslim, then, what do you say of igbo men married to young ladies?.

Even outside Nigeria in Muslim majority countries the percentage is low. It is media that hyped the nonesense for their selfish interest. Some 5 years ago in Palestine, it is their culture during nikkah ceremonies for groom to be accompanied by girl child just like soccer games, young boys accompany soccer players. But media portrayed those little girls as the grooms. We later found out it is a lie. See screenshot.


Modified

See headline again. They changed headline to Muslim men are allowed to rape.

Cheers01:
Age of consent in Nigeria is 18. Those of us that accepted secular laws have always seen it as 18. Pervert

consent to what?. Marriage or sexual intercourse?.

I will screenshot full thing right now if you fail to understand. In Nigeria, age of consent to have sex is 11. Age of marriage is 18

Theres no universal right or wrong. Some people like what they like.

See another double standards. If there is no universal right or wrong, then, those older men who married young girls have the right to do so. You have no right to determine what's right or wrong because they think they are doing the right thing too.

If you can support housewives or even single girls walk around topless, and you see nothing wrong with that, then, what gives you right to condemn older men marrying underage girls if it is mutual?. I am only going you your dose.


Again, let me re-emphasize your position. You said and I quote.


"There is no universal right or wrong. Some people like it that way"


Your massage is clear. Therefore old men who marry young girls also see it that way. You do not have monopoly over right or wrong. Simple.

Here we go. Nigeria constitution doesn't have marriageable age but in 2003 child right act set marriageable age at 18.



So you can see what I'm saying. They delibrately allowed children free sex and abuses at 11 which means these young boys and girls can possibly have babies at 11 yet they can't marry, right?. If they can have sex at 11, what's my crime when I said they should marry at 14, 15?. Too many double standards.

This constitution was set by Nigerian Christians. So I wonder why they are now screaming and yelling about high school children having sex. Again, if they can have sex at 11 it is very possible they can have babies at 11.

Saucyxo:
You are aggressive to me. Most people here would agree you are aggressive. Maybe you need to be a little more introspective and evaluate the way you communicate that makes people feel you're aggressive.

Theres no tatic. You wrote a long epistle, I just wanted to clarify what you meant by what you wrote so I can explain why I accused you of supporting paedophilia. It would be a shame to have miscommunicated at the start of our conversation. .

can you please get over this and answer the question?. If you can't it is fine. You don't need to reply but stop diverting attention with unrelated silly things.

Thanks

tintingz:
U.S don't encourage underage girls to have babies reason they do sex education mister.

I'm not talking about the fake court you talk about, I'm talking about the documentary and protest on child marraige in the state, you need to watch how this has affected them psychologically, when I said psychologically I meant their social life, most of them develop anger, depression, low self-esteem which adult can easily overcome. There are various cases of this young girls poisoning their husband in the northern Nigeria due to forced early marraige. VVF is another big issue in that region.

There's no way to prevent anyone from having sex, sex is a natural thing and forcing teens to marry early is not a way either, it's the most nonsensical thing to do.

Sorry, bro. We already ruled out "sex education". Video above is latest but you tagged it "fake" just so you could have your way. That's your prerogative.

Second, you talked about "forced marriage". No one is talking about forced marriage so this is ruled out. You are just derailing because you have no alternative. No sane person would support forced marriage.

Lastly, now you are talking. You said no way to prevent teen sex. That's just the reality you have come to agree with. So, arranged marriage is option here. Deal With It

We aren't talking about holier than thou here in case some of you might be thinking that way. The girl's safety and security is paramount. Most of them are out there having sex with every thing. They have babies that dudes aren't ready to take of or even deny pregnancy outright. This is extra burden for her and her family. But with marriage she's save.

Clearly you guys have no solution.

This initiative of theirs is nothing until they removed their rascist Zulu president and police chief, period

NwaAmaikpe:





Maimunat was married to Abdulwahab.
than back home in Nigeria where everything is wrong?

Lol

tintingz:
Oga, marrying underage has psychological and physical effect on them. This is a big problem in northern Nigeria.

Because some society practice it doesn't mean it's right, in U.S most of this practice are done by religionists and these girls are now speaking out, it's not something they encourage generally in U.S even in some states Nigeria.

So don't make it seems underage marriage is something I now encourage.

what is this one talking about?. Answer my question or forget it. Ofcourse they won't encourage it. If you read my post carefully it is not about encouraging it. I don't know which school you guys go to for you not to understand very simply post. I used IF. And I wanna believe you watch the clip up there, correct?. They are not speaking out because of psychological effects. They are in court for paternity doubts. As you can see they are married.

Again, I am not using US to justify anything. I am saying US found solution. They don't encourage it but they have realized it is unstoppable. That's why they set up social benefits for mother and child. US social system encourage girls to have babies and at the end of the year the young mothers file taxes and they get money back per child. In New York it is $2500 per child. So they encourage it.

The same (sexual revolution) is now growing in Nigeria but Nigerians are stupid to realize to they to put pressure on their govt to do the needful. There is no way you can prevent teen sex. Marriage keeps them safe at least.

But you want me to believe that marriage has psychological effects on them. Oga, don't adults affected by marriage instability and psycho effects?. Abeg, kindly find another excuse.

Once again you are yet to proffer solution. I did mine, bro.

midolian:
Yes it is a Nigerian bank but Islamic. Non interest!

I honestly don't mind doing business with them though. Based on my experience with Sharia compliance mortgage company in the US, they most likely have the same traits. They will use your deposits to do business with or without your knowledge but you already signed some paperwork when you signed up with respect to this.

Profits realized from the business is credited into your account which means you will see increase in your account balance. Some muslim may consider this interest but in actuality it is not as far as I am concerned.

I am speaking generally. I don't know specific policy of this bank.

midolian:
Has Anyone tried doing business with Jaiz bank? What is the profit sharing like? please I need someone who has tried it or has the knowledge to guide me. I am thinking of trying one of their products and services, Jaiz premium savings account(JAPSA)

On JAPSA, this is what you 'll find on the bank's website which does not answer my question...

https://jaizbankplc.com/jaiz-product-and-services/private-banking/jaiz-premium-savings-account/

Please I need someone to confirm if the returns are truly attractive..and to also tell me all I need to know about this JAPSA..

Thanks.

cc: lalasticlala

Emp.iree

I see this is Nigerian bank. I'm ruled out by default. I have to read more about them though. However I can see their initial deposit is on the high side for average Nigerian, isn't?.

I don't want to leave technical comment without knowing their details.

You don't need to worry about my approach. I am always disgusted by tactical a diversion of yours. You are reading online essay and concluded somehow that I am "aggressive". How did you know I am when you are not seer?

This is not the first time you used this tactic and it is not gonna work with me. If you want to answer my question kindly do so. If you can't, just say you have no solution.

Saucyxo:
I'm a lady. . Why so aggressive lol the Prophet wouldn't approve of this kind of approach. I've told you this several times. I won't remind you.

It was really hard to navigate through what you're saying. I'm trying to really understand you here. Are you trying to say because there are lots of underage people having sex in the "western world", they should get married ?

The video is of a 14 and 15 year old having sex, your solution is that they should get married? I just want to understand, is that what you're trying to say?

Saucyxo:
It kinda does concern you. If you stay quiet and stand in solidarity with him then you agree with him. Pedophilia is disgusting and should be cautioned. We are our muslim brothers keeper x

Bro, so you dont think too?. I asked a question the dude can't answer and you followed his stupidity, too?. Maybe you don't properly follow my posts and i will say it again loud and proud.

Firstall, me and tintingz have debated this issue. He did some research and came back here to say there are double standards with regards to underage marriage. That's why he no longer dispute with me on the issue. As for the other atheist clown, he seems to deliberately misrepresented my point. I asked him a question which he failed to answer. Now, let's look at the definition of pedophilia.


According to online dictionary, pedophilia (alternatively spelt paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. See underlined, I didnt advocate this. Point to me where i said that?. What i have been saying is these kids as young as 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 have been having sexual intercourse clearlessly. Many of them are out there have babies. I gave numerous examples by posting videos of related cases. I also posted videos of some older American dudes impregnated underage girls and they aren't arrested for pedophilia or sex with minor. It is sad that Nairaland doesn't allow audio feature. I would have posted many audios and videos without having to upload them first on youtube before posting them here. Or had it been you are on my whatsapp i would have sent you stuff to watch or listen to.


What I said was in a situation where these kids are having sex here and there with anybody, there is no way parents can prevent this 100%. I dont care about so called 'sex education'. That's fraud. United States and other western countries have realized it is unpreventable that's why they have social benefits in case it does happen. This way, mother and her child would be taken care of. Mother gets SNAP, baby gets WIC. So i advocated that you tell you Nigerian govt to work towards this social benefits instead of you screaming "underage" here and there which doesn't help in the least. From what I heard, it is said that under nigerian constitution, 11 yr old girl is old enough to marry. I dont know how true this is.

So my point was in the Western world underage is considered 18 and below or below 18. Yet there are bunch of 14, 15 year olds having babies. So i asked what solution do you guys have to stop this?. That clown talked about sex education and he knows the damn thing is a joke. Solution that i offered was that a 14 year old boy and girl who are sexually active should be married. I posted some details earlier that if my daughter is sexually active, meaning that she's attracted to guys and any moment guy may get her pregnant, I will step up and ask her to bring her boyfriend home to me. I am gonna get to know his family and lay down by rules to them. My most important rule is, are you serious with my daughter or you just wanna "shop and run"?. If I notice he's not serious with her, then, stay the heck out of my baby girl. Keep your friendship in the open and that's it. I am a man. I know what boys are capable of doing. But if he's serious, I work towards engagement and and marriage and In Sha Allah, I will support them financially, morally and emotionally. Marriage doesn't prevent further education. This was my offer but you guys offered nothing but to say "pedophilia". These teens getting married to each other is not definition of pedophilia. Now that i make my point clear, I advise you to please never ever misrepresent my position on this matter. But if you have problems with my preferred remedy, kindly offer yours.


Now, watch this video below and tell me they are pedophila. These are Americans 14 and 15 yrs old. Don't tell me they are hoodlums. They are not. This is a real case like other ones I posted. Again, my point is tell your govt to set up welfare because you can not prevent teens from having sex and having babies. They do have social services but it is immersed with fraud and it is pretty much defunct. Since you guys have been yelling about "underage", what exactly you guys achieved? This is the reality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xlgOcIMShE

helinues:
81 years India nationals and they claimed Nigeria is the head quarter of poverty

it is Nigerian govt's fault. Every country got criminals worst pass nija but their leadership play the game very well.

Indian internet scams surpassed Nigeria 419. They are in India and yet scam Americans and Americans banks. Nigerian govt doesn't know how to play the ball to protect its image bcuz the govt is not patriotic.

Interesting For Muslims To Watch This From A-Z. Jamiu Adegunwa re-emphasized Muslim Binds & Muslims Unity For The Sake Of Islam In Nigeria


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSeE6AK3NmM&t=6685s

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true2god:
Oh I am sorry, I subconsciously followed your sunnah by diverting from the actual discussion.

You are speaking as if you are narrating an hadith without any chain of narration. Who is there to confirm this story and how can a small white boy determine your level of intelligence? If the small boy is a black boy would you have mentioned him to have praised your level of intelligence? I wonder how you speak at times.

The issue I want to reemphasize is that the sunni condemnation of the ashura festival is the admission of guilt and also I saw no reason why the bloody procession has to be practiced outside the Arabian peninsula where the event took place. I understand the barbaric nature of the ashura festival but it is their way of remembering the atrocities of the sahabas against the family of your prophet. It was through the ashura festival that most of us learnt what happened and how Islam split into the sunni and the shia camps.

Sorry, there is nothing like Ashura festival. There is no dignity cutting oneself up. I see no reason why those countries cannot criminalize that nasty thing. Also, not commemorating Ashura in arabia is not hujjah. For me personally, ashura should be about reflection not get on the streets and cutting up one another. it is silly. Besides, commemoration or fasting ashura is optional, therefore it should be a private matter. Case closed

Back to the issue, I tried as much as I can to broaden my knowledge on certain issues so that I can talk and never be bamboozled. How does Islam make sense than other religion? Is it the promotion of slavery by mohammed or the forceful imposition of Islam on the weak and the defenseless (quran 9:28-30)? You said Islam is not scam, I laugh in Chinese. My next post is to help you highlight the scams in Islam.

bring it on but let me tell you that you have successfully hijacked and derailed this thread

true2god:
You are very childish telling me that a white man told you are very smart. A smart person does not praise himself; other people do your appraisal.

a white boy rather. My bad. At the end of the day it makes no difference. Anyways for fact that I waited 14 years to tell says a lot. I don't care what anyone thinks.

true2god:
I have studied Christianity enough; the next is the sunnah.

I knew this. Hahaha see I'm very smart. A white man told me 14yrs ago that I am very smart. you have studied Christianity and you have realized it is nothing but scam That's why you are here to play tricks with us. I have been wondering why you are relatively quiet lately about Christianity. I have long suspected you. Here we go today