₦airaland Forum

usermane:
Let me explain.
In view of the clergymen, there is Qur'an, there is hadith and there is Ijma. For the traditional scholars;
- the Qur'an must be understood from the view of ancient exegetes like Ibn Kathir. You hold this view as well.
- the Hadith also interprets, interpolate and extrapolates the Qur'an for practical purposes.
- then Ijma is the scholarly consensus, it is the in-depth elaboration of Qur'an and Hadith for practical purposes.

I believe you agree with all of the above.

Yes... But mufasireen were human. Their judgement, explaination etc were mostly based on their time. It is therefore not static. We should deduce from their work that which is in perfect harmony with the kitab. We can't just throw their work on the garbage. They put things into perspective for us.

usermane:
From what I can tell, you do not share his understanding of the hadith. Man, you know. For a traditionalist, you sure seem to be doing your own ijtihad - reinterpreting hadith differently from the consensus(Ijma).

Islam is not static except those practices that are stipulated or restricted

usermane:
Peace.

I'm not saying he is important. I was trying to use his case to make a point, that how come he didn't know about such hadith for a very long time while preaching Islam? Anyway, let's leave it at that.

just because he was muslim for long doesn't mean he knew everything. We grew in knowledge everyday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEYd5uHH7W8

Usermane at it again

Do you want me to whoop yo ¥ss again

I remembered you made this same criticisms few years ago. Virtually you have problems with not only voluntary Islamic traditions but obligatory practices.

This is why ain't taking you serious. You are only threading Islam you don't know it. We told you before if you think Qur'an isa novel book to be read mechanically?. The prophet (Sallalahu aliy wasalam) practicalized it.

Practical is where we derived HOW, WHERE and WHEN. The people at the time, the Sahaba, saw him do the practical. How many times we have to tell you this?.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZNlTIP4L0&lc=z222spprspj3i3pgp04t1aokgtsemlbusfrolyojv32ibk0h00410

AlBaqir:
Did you read the book, "Son of Hamas"?

not at all. I watched his rants on ABC news from 2005-2007

usermane:
Recall his earlier video after apostasy? Where he addresses the Hadith sanctioning sex with female captives? The only people who know these things are of course the scholars.

The scholars rarely touch such Hadith. When they do, they do not criticize it, they try to interpret it differently from how the classical jurists understood them. They deny that ISIS militant sex enslavement of Yazidi women have nothing to do with Islam.

This is why people like DontConvert2Islam continue in ignorance of the corruption. And when they find the truth, they feel betrayed.

Transparency, there need to be more of it in the traditional Muslim discourse.

Peace.

It is still his fault. First all, he wasn't interested in whatever Muslims had to say when they tried to counter his assertions on the Hadith.

Second, myself know the hadith appears complicated to me at at least. The confusion stem from translation and interpretation of the Arabic text in the Hadith. Everyone interpreted it to suit themselves. Alhusunnah in Nigeria gave their explanatiom. Sheikh Habib also gave his, and they both have different views.


Third, what I said to him back then was this is no excuse for living Islam. All he had to do was to weigh it with Quran standards. He did actually but then, because he already made up his mind, he interpreted the Ayah of Quran to suit the Hadith. He simply mixed it and got himself in deep doodoo.

Fourth, I asked him back then if he was so concerned about this particular topic, remember he dwelled in it for long?. Why then he went back to Christianity which has similar or worse case scenario?. There are lots of sexual abuses and rape sanctions in the religion he's now but he ignored. The same book that the British used to enslave the world.

Since hadith is not guaranteed protection by Allah, why should he feel betrayed over peanuts?. It means he was on a mission. You could see he went to masjid pretending to be Muslim but he already left at that time without making it public and mocked adhan. He released the video much more later.

I skied again, why should he feel betrayed?. I read stuff in the aHadith that I'm not comfortable with. What I ask myself "did nabi(saw) actually say or do this?. Before I openly criticize the Hadith I look around for possible tafsir and or tawil. If there is no supporting literature and no data to explain further, I ignore such Hadith even if main stream claim it is valid.

Example of such is statement attributed to nabi (saw) that he would burn or he feels like burning men who don't pray at masjid after adhan is called. Explaination given by some scholars is ridiculous. So I consider such to be fabricated.

But a hadith that appear violent but it is restricted to war zone, I only understand such Hadith in that restricted manner. This doesn't neccessarily make it fabricated bcuz rule of engagement may be altered at some point. Example of that was Obama. If you live many yrs from now, watch media quote his statement on is!s that appears to make him a violent president against Islam and muslims. Meanwhile he was talking about specific people.

So don'tconver2islam is a joke. His rants won't stop Islam and muslims in the least. He betrayed himself. Allah tested him and he failed woefully. He had no iklas to begin with. He forgot that history may be altered (which he is focusing on) while the focus message of Islam is La ilaha ila Allahu. He forgot that.

Apart from that common sense should tell him that no religion sanctions rape or even illegal sexual intercourse. Anyways, let's just say he's still on spiritual transition. You never know he may wake up tomorrow and denounce Christianity again and claim Buddhism is the truth. So this is not new.

usermane:
Peace.

Empiree, this is for you. Since you continue brawling with me on the validity of Hadith. And you feel offended by my critique of your co-religionists.

What do you think of the YouTuber Convert2Islam's apostasy?

I know you know him on a personal level, you used to cite him a lot in the past.

Is apostasy new?. Absolutely not. There are knowledgeable people who left islam historically and in contemporary world. Heaven didnt fall. Islam remains the same. Imagine Convert2Islam left islam over silly things and the worst he could do was to revert to the same religion he knows crystal clear is on dolal?. How could someone embrace a religion which clearly embraces trinity or sonship of God. Such fellow needs deliverance. Listen, he is not important. An Egyptian muazzin converted to christian because of a woman. Yet, islam is still standing. I dont need to be told there are corruptions in some of our literature. To say otherwise is not being sincere. However, corruption or not, i will never take guidance from someone who mocks islamic text even if such person is right. Criticism of corrupted text must be done academically by sane people like Sheikh Imran Hosein did, not folks who have motives.

As you can see, if you still follow Convert2Islam', he turns it to mockery which is the reason i unfollowed him last week. I did not do that just bcus he left islam. I did bcus he has motives. What he is doing is not new. Ali Sina did worst and islam is still here. Hamas's son who converted to christianity and came to the West said back in 2006 said "islam would vanish in 10 years". Ten years ago was 2016. Islam is still here while he is vanished from spotlight because they have used him to achieve whatever they wanted and they dumped him. So what's new?

Woow, brother. You don't think you owe everyone greetings of Eld Mubarak?. It gets to the point where you can't even greet your brothers and sisters on these days of Eld?. Or this eld too is "nonesense"?. Nawa for you ooo

Anyways, the Hadith you brought up has different versions. Perhaps you picked the one that sounds silly to you?. I honestly do not have problems with it at all.


The simplest answer is that what the Prophet (saw) may be describing is not something that we can observe in the dimensions that we live in. There are plenty of phenomena that the Qur'an and the Prophet (saw) talk about that are more "unscientific" than this.


Take, for example, the hadith about sins causing black spots on our heart. Or the verse 83:14 in the Qur'an about hearts getting "rusted." Or whatever else. Clearly, there is something going on that we can't observe physically. The methodology of the Prophet (saws) and the early generations was to affirm what we know to be true, either from reason or from revelation. If there appears to be a contradiction, then it just means we haven't fully got to the bottom of the matter yet.


And since you claimed to believe in Quran only, why not condemn these verses also?. If you search in the Qur'an you will find a lots of Verses that tell us that the sun does prostrate.

In Surat al-Hajj (22:18) the prostration of the sun is clearly mentioned!


In other suwar (surahs) it's mentioned that all creations do prostrate like in Surat an-Nahl(16:49) and Surat al-Hashr (59:24).


In other places we find that they do prostrate but in their own way like in Suart al-Isra' (17:44) and Surat an-Nur (24:41).


And, yes, when the sun set in Africa for instance it is working elsewhere. But this is not the point. Point is, before it rises elsewhere where it is?. Remember sometimes it takes a while before sun rises?. If you read other visions of the Hadith you brought up, and even this one say "it asks for permission". How?, I don't know. Other versions say sometimes Allah denies it permission to rise. I believe this to be true for obvious reasons.

I know there are fake ahadith but I don't think you are sincere in your critisms. Weather forecast is enough to tell you that sun does gets delayed before it rises sometimes. This could be the time permission to rise is denied. I believe this Hadith is valid.

Wallahu Alam

EwuOjota:
Indians are very racists and we know.

The solution?leave their country. Abi India is abroad too?

so because of this one incident the entire Indians are rascists?. Don't you have sense?. Yes, India is abroad too. Abroad simply means foreign country or oversea.

And

Taken today

LadunaI:
Finally, the price tag whaoo approx $30,000. I wish I have that now, I will be crushing it within the metropolis . But just remain little shaa, focusing now on upscaling biz, you should get ready to ship our own soon Insha ALLAH.

Seems you've penchant for jeep/suv of a thing

In sha Allah. Yes, I do like Jeep/SUV

Rilwayne001:
They engaged so much in enslaving people because the Bible condoned slavery, and took the Bible so serious back then that they are always quick to kill anyone that goes against it. Dark ages.

They are hypocrites. After they used Bible to commit atrocities, they now invented something they called "Separation of church and state".

Rilwayne001:
Big big people full US, what type of food do they eat to over there? Lol

Sugary drinks and and fatty foods

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Irish people were enslaved too by the British. I hate Brits

And

People funny with this caption

Iqtilaf around building masajid on or around graves of Awliya. Evidence for and against

https://www.al-islam.org/wahhabism-ayatullah-jafar-subhani/construction-mosque-near-graves-pious-people

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Selling my 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo (grey).

The vehicle is in great condition and serviced up to date every three months. Paperwork history of services (oil change) and state inspections are available.

Title is available.

The vehicle is clean all the time

Vehicle is equipped with Uconnect standards, flashlight in the trunk in case you are stuck on Lagos-Ibadan highways and pretty much space to hide personal belongings from bandits.

The vehicle has no accident history.

Loaded with A/C and heating system.

Mileage: 30,400

Asking price: 11.5M {11 million and 500 thousand naira} Neg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQILDVhjadI

Centcanada:
One thing is getting me confuse here. Is Tunubu wife not a pastor or pastress as they ordained her lately? What concern Tunubu at Muslim praying ground or his Tunubu also Muslim and Christian thesame time? Nothing when Yoruba no fit do sha. Am watching

biafranation:
Afonjas are neither here nor there. They go to church on Sunday, on Friday they enter Mosque and on Monday go to Affa for rituals with fresh coneskull!

Ignorance is no excuse. Educate yourselves.

1st attachment is Bola Ahmed Tinubu

2nd attachment is his wife Oluremi Tinubu

This last picture is what is called Allah Akbar Which means you submit. To submit to Allah is to submit to Allah as Al-Malik. This is Islam.

No humans, presidents, Emirs, Sultans, Obas or Kabiyesi, Emperors, Queens, and whatever you called them deserve this prostration.

Muslims DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT share this SUJUD with none other than Allah. This is where slaves or creations get closer to God. Allahu Akbar means you can not move in that position.

Allah Akbar doesn't mean "king" it means Mulik or SOVEREIGNTY. You submit to Allah as Al-Mulik, The Sovereign. This is Islam. To submit to other than Allah is shirk

See how these big people are. They control millions of people. They command high positions and authorities. They are bigger than the bigs. They are fathers of repute. But here, they had to submit to The One bigger than them. This is what we called ALLAHU Akbar, to submit to none other than Him.

This is what Allahu Akbar means.

Ugosample:
when you know powers that be can ruin your country

You have to play safe

That's what stupid leaders don't get


Until your legs are very strong

don't go into all out confrontation with the U.S.



When you are in the league of China/Iran/Russia


Then you can try

True

AbdelKabir:
كل الذي يزعم أن الكفار سيدخلون الجنة لا يكون الا كافرا

It is Eld

Let's celebrate.

It is possible some amongst them will make it by Allah's Mercy but not all. Conditions attached.

The believe in messangership of rosullahi is fard

mrjaydee:
Wow...the currency is dead. imagine if I go der with about $10k and buy PMS (petrol) and have it shipped to Nigeria? Or go there and buy cars and export them to naija.

Their money was attacked by the big Bank. They do that if a country is in opposition to their imperial agenda. Recall Hugo Chávez their former president.

Now they are attacking Iran economy. Nigeria plays hide and seek to avoid damage control. Otherwise you would have to load 30bags of Ghana-Must-Go by now to buy pure water

Abeg, who asked this man epistle?

true2god:
'The pact of umar' is a classical example of how Muslims, under the khilafa Umar, segregated the demographics based on religion; the ummah (the Muslims) and the dhimmi (the people of the book). For the purpose of easy identification, all the dhimmi are to put on belt on their waist. Why are Muslims, in the western world, trying to recreate the 'pact of Umar' on the host?

You shout: 'they hate Islam' while Islam, for many centuries, had been the most oppressive ideology known to mankind. Why won't a rational person be mindful of this evil wherever it rules or raised its ugly head, eg Europe and the US? Why creating, subtly, another 'pact of umar' on your host who protected and provided for you?

I have a Muslim friend who left his banking job to go and 'hustle' in Austria. Upon getting to Austria he was so amazed at the beauty, organization and generosity of the Austrian people. Instead of him to appreciate what saw he had a mixed feelings about the country. He was happy he had left Nigeria but was also sad that the Austrians are 'kafirs' because they are mostly Christians, whether cultural or practicing.

Having spent less than 2 months in Austria he confided to his fellow Muslim friend that Austria would have been better if it were a Muslim country. That they should use the freedom of religion granted to everybody to convert as much people as possible so that it can become a Muslim nation in the future. This is a guy that left his banking job in Nigeria already scheming against the generous host country. This is Islamic mentality!

You can deny as much as you like but we will keep telling you gospel truth; you don't bite the fingers that feed you and expect another meal from same fingers. Muslims, like babies, don't mind biting their mother's nipples while being suckled. You guys must start learning how to respect and appreciate the society that accommodate you.

I don't need to tell you how the fulanis became the masters of the hausas in the northern Nigeria's traditional and precolonial ruling system. The script are the same worldwide. Use your brain boy!

You failed to tell us the difference btw muslims and christians in the link below

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