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LadunaI:
Uhmmm interesting articles, truly there is a lot to learn from their stories. But what I haven't understand with many of brothers in the west is that MUST you be radical Muslim before making any meaningful impact for Islam?

The life of Holy Prophet (saw) was repletes with many heart melting stories that if we engage in that form of jihad, the world would be better for it. Somebody would has been nursing hatred for holy Prophet(saw) for a long time and would sudden ,developed love for him (saw), so much to the extent that he(saw) becomes their greatest love just because of his(saw) conduct and unparalleled character!.

I once have a close contact with Sheikh Faisal when he came down to indoor sport hall in Ilorin for a talk which I attended. I can sense with the way they put forth quranic verses in support of their views. I learnt a lot from his lecture that day, though while pruning some extreme view from my perspective.

Is been long I heard about Sheikh Faisal, is he still in jail in the UK? This Jesse Morten is still practicing Islam till now? I am happy for for him to have renounced radicalism and become more moderate muslim of Ummattan Wasattan ( middle and moderate ummah).

Happy EID ADHA in advance, May Allah spare our lifes. Amin

sheikh Faisal was out of jail since 2008 and deported to Jamaica. That's when he debated Christian apologist, Bishop Ade Gold.


Well, West contributed to their extremist views for obvious reasons. No conscious Muslim would see what happened in Iraq back in 2006-08 would not be upset but this is not excuse to be extremists. I hate to talk about those guys for security reason but it is interesting knowing folks known to govt. I was not their member but I saw them several times at main masjid in NYC preaching outside there. But many muslims were skeptical of them because of the way they preached.

They had the zeal and passion for Islam but they have limited knowledge and lacked proper manhaj. I never personally accused them off being spies as some muslims did. What really baffles now me is Jesse. I remembered when he was released from jail and he released a video wearing keffiyeh and looking frail. Thank God I didn't comment on that video. I didn't suspect anything then until 2 days ago when I stumbled on the article. The video was basically orchestrated by feds to screen comments. At that point Jesse was basically informant because he didn't want to serve time in jail. But Yousef served his.


I remembered Jesse called my house phone one afternoon when I was at work and I can remembered his voice left on my phone. I don't know how he got it. This is why fed thought I was their member when they interviewed me in a 2011. They monitored everyone who visited their website. I barely visited actually. I just read their grievances and moved on. When Yousef renounced the group he was called by his partners "munafiq". But Jesse actually sounds more like that to me for entrapping others for money and his freedom like I was saying last yr. He needs to make tawbah for that. He's still muslim according to the article but he now married to a Jewish lady from Spain and divorced his ex wife who is muslim with kids.

Lesson learned: when I was reading the article a Hadith came to mind where Nabi (saw) said extremism only leads to destruction. That's exactly what happened to these guys. Although, they did speak truths in many cases but their approach was wrong just like saheed shittu is doing now. They definitely were against Saudi Salafis as they used to call them. Yousef Khattab, after renouncing pseudo salafism, said he would now lean towards traditional Islam and learn more from Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi whom they hated before or thought was misguided.


They have gone through their tests and trials. They have learned now. The best way not to be govt stooge is to not commit crime needless to say getting convicted. This gives feds leverage to use you. It takes taqwa to go solo and serve your time without getting others in trouble. Who would not take such offer if made available?. This is what the so called puritans do. They are only vocal and piety on the outside but they are empty on the inside when they get in trouble. At least most but not all. I even boarded train with Jesse one rush hour Monday in 2010 while he was sipping coffee.. These articles really remind me of 2012-2013. I didn't know a lot happened with them. I was only worried about myself and those CI & AP after me upandown. That was terrible.


But if you listen to this type of thing below you will see reasons why extremism isn't going away. This is why I think Jesse and the likes aren't gonna get over their previous approach forever so long as the causes are there. If he did there are others out there seeing things.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7q-71J8Exw

tintingz:
UN have intervene in stopping many wars including some wars in Muslim countries, but most recent crisis still comes from Muslim countries.

It's not easy to end crisis influenced by Religion ideology, UN are not perfect, they also err.

Help yourself. It is only 2 mins. I am sure you don't know better than her for claiming religion(islam in your view) is the cause of ME problems.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7q-71J8Exw

tintingz:
Can you explain this further?

They destroyed all Muslim countries how?

I am absolutely not obligated. It's self explanatory

Most wars, crisis in Muslims countries is as result of Religion ideology mixed with politics, UN are not ominipotent, they are not perfect, why not ask your perfect all-good God why he didn't do anything about the evil he caused.

oh now UN is not perfect when it comes to muslims. But perfect if they involved non-Muslims. You are noted

^^^

When God wants to punish someone He gives them respite and hardens their heart. You singled out NK as positive indication of UN creation while you ignored all the muslim countries they destroyed but same UN did nothing to stop it?. You are incredible really.

I didn't bother to reply your post on the other thread cuz we would be roaming around. The more you are engaged the more your misguidance aggravated. This is evidence of your pending destructive ideology.

[quote author=LadunaI post=69333470][/quote]Salaam alaikum. When you get chance please read these articles. Life is truly a lesson. This is what I was talking about last yr about CI, AP etc

http://yousefalkhattab..com/2017/05/islam-is-my-only-identity-i-say-it.html?m=1


https://www.counterextremism.com/extremists/jesse-morton

https://newrepublic.com/article/145433/only-human-american-ex-jihadi-rebuild-life-country-once-vowed-destroy


Just a quick note. I know those brothers but not active member. I didn't know a lot has happened to since they were dismantled in 2010/11 but I know free of them were jailed. I stumbled on these articles last night and decided to share. You can also watch the other guy who cooperated on YouTube (few mins). Let know me know what you think after reading them.

AlBaqir:
# In fact, the question is why did we have clear and ambiguous verses in the Quran (Q.3:7) if every ayah should and must be understood and interpret literally as salafi wants us to accept?

their problem

# Metaphor is in every language. Using metaphorical statements usually brings out the rich and beauty of a language.

That's it.

Yoruba will say, "an wo oju olohun", "ara ile re háwó OR ó lawó". All these are metaphors that can never be understood or interpreted literally.

true

Arabic language was not as rich as when Quran was revealed. In fact Quran thought the Arabs more in their literature. And somebody now saying there are no metaphors in the Quran and every is literal But when it comes to the ayah "Allah is IN the heavens" or "Allah is WITH everything", they quickly jump to do tawil (Interpretation) living their stubborn idea of literalism. But they are stubborn to say Allah has hands, face, chin, leg because He said He has and we must leave it like that without interpretation. Why don't they leave Allah is everywhere and with everything as it is? Why do they have to interpret that one to mean His knowledge?

their problem. This is why they arrived at "there is nothing hidden in the Qur'an". That's, there is no batn. They kinda materialistic.

You could see the exposition we have presented: some Sunni ulama believe those attributes (like hands) are metaphors and not literal.

I'm just wondering why they are having hard time understanding this simple arithmetics. I have no problem with it at all.

AlBaqir:
Sino, there are lots of challenges on this thread we've put before you and you continue dribbling around them sweeping them under the carpet. Brother, am not ready for cycle arguments.


# Again, which one do you subscribe? Literalism or metaphoric meaning? State your position and stop chasing shadows in our case.

# TWO CONTRADICTORY CHALLENGES BEFORE YOU


1. Ibn baz and uthaymeen among other supported LITERAL meaning of hands, face etc

Ibn Uthaymeen writes:

"...An example of that (belief in literalism/tafwid) is His statement: [Rather both His hands are outstretched; He dispenses just as He wishes](5:64). The Literal meaning of the verse is that God has two LITERAL hands. Therefore, this must be affirmed for Him."

Source: Muhammad ibn Salih al-Uthaymeen, Majmu Fatawa wa Rasail, ed. By Fahd ibn Nasir ibn Ibrahim al-Sulayman, 29 vols (Riyadh; Dar al-Watan, 1413 - 1431 AH), V (1414 AH), p. 11-12



2. The like of Tabari, Fakhr din Razi, An-Nawawi, and Ibn Kathir and Qur'tubi subscribes to METAPHOR.

Surah Maidah verse 64 says:

"The Jews say: "Allah's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. ..."

Imam
Imam Ibn Kathir writes in his Tafsir:

'Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas commented on Allah's statement,

{The Jews say, "Allah's Hand is tied up."} " They do not mean that Allah's Hand is literally tied up. Rather, they mean that He is a miser and does not spend from what He has. Allah is far holier than what they attribute to Him.'' Similar was reported from Mujahid, `Ikrimah, Qatadah, As-Suddi and Ad-Dahhak.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=759&Itemid=60


Empir.ee please note this line in the course of further discussion. You might be the witness.

I believe these are some of the verses I was trying to reference to abdelkabir earlier. Depending on how Qur'an uses the statements, in many cases it is metaphoric.

I once cited example before of fmr. Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak once said [I]"power of Egypt is in my hands"[/i]. I asked back then if he was referring to his physical hands in this context?. Far as I am concerned he wasn't. He was referring to his sovereignty.

Yad -hand has meanings beyond physical hand. Just like عيون (eyes) has many meanings as much as 200 as some scholars affirmed. Ocean is also called "عيون" oju

I am sorry to say that 8yrs ago when I shared salafi manhaj, some brothers who as were Salafis but distanced themselves from "Saudi Salafis" as they used to call them, accused them off attributing physical limbs to Allah. I remembered the guy said "no hands, no legs" of Allah. Just that the brothers were extremists but now changed.

Again, this argument is irrelevant. We can always read and believe the ayat as is with understanding that it is not physically human attributes. Allah used these words for our comprehension purposes. If He was to reveal Quran in His Best True Form, we can not understand anything.

No muslim has problem with the texts as used in the Qur'an but tawil must be welcomed when necessary. It is not rubbish

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYdYVk9X1lE&t=328s

Jerry Rawlings to Sowore

Maybe tintingz can learn few things from here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evVkXKKmpsg

There are actually lots of average folks on nl mostly students and perhaps, civil workers earning below market rate.

I'm just wondering isn't there committee in charge of project like this to raise funds through banquet for instance?.

Although the reason most masajid take so long to complete is because the money used to build masjid must be from pure sources. This is why constructions of masajid in Nigeria take so long. Allah designed it like that. So if you see a mosque finally completes after 20yrs or more, it is built on pure wealth.

true2god:
Yes, this is the same arrogance Muslims displayed in Spain, Portugal and France, in the medivial Europe, that led to the expulsion of Muslims and destruction of all mosques in Europe. If Islam/Muslims were expelled from Europe many years back, what gives you the confidence that they won't/can't be expelled again?

Christians can believe whatever they like, which had been core of their doctrines even before Mohammed was born; and I'm very sure allahh (if he does exist) was/is aware of Christian beliefs and he allowed it. So what's your Islamic problem with that? Once you Muslims don't believe in 'live and let live' and have divided the world into 'the ummah' and 'the kafirs', then the world will also rise against Islam vis-à-vis their Arab imperial agenda for global conquest.

Sane Arab nations like Qatar and UAE are allowing churches and temple in their countries, as long as you don't constitute public nuisance as Muslims do in Europe. The Christian world (Britain, US and Russia) have the money and the military to take over all Muslim world, if push comes to shove. Stop acting as if you are ignorant of this simple fact. Do you think Christianity will survive if the Muslim countries are the world powers?

We are here to stay and christianity is at its lowest ebb and irreversible in Europe, period. Anything else you said are irrelevant. We have established fact that christians also block roads which makes lives of other uneasy. And i cited Lagos-ibadan highway as a case study.

It is pathetic that you had to look the other way while neglecting your christian brethrens constituting nuisances in nigeria and around the world. I repeat, we will not allow churches to be built in heartland of Islam, Mecca and Medina. Take your churhches to vatican where bunch of pedophilias and child molesters triumphant.

tintingz:
Yes, that's why I said in a post, why is the govt not doing anything about this public nuisance.

The people should also know that it's wrong to block roads especially when it's the only link.

As for the Lagos-Ibadan express way, it still happen alots, the christians here are just being bias and sentimental.

Organizing parties on the road is illegal in Lagos, I don't know about other states, one have to get permission from the Local govt before any event on the road or be fine.

case closed. This sumed up. Shows this thread is lopsided

true2god:
In over 90% of the cases no any permission is given to any Muslim to block the street for prayer. It is all about the Muslims making a statement that 'we are here'. If they are given permission to block the street, why are many European cities banning them from doing that? Why are the native citizens complaining of their public nuisance? Why are Muslims using street prayers as a prelude to making demand for more mosques? Can Christians get a permission to pray on the street in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Sudan, Egypt, etc?

Yup, we are here if that's what you want to hear. So deal with it

People don't always agree with govt's plans. If govt grants permission and people aren't okay with it, it is their right to protest but doesn't mean they have the right to kick congregation away.

I will tell you one that happened in a city in USA, I think 2014. A beautiful Mosque located in semi-isolated area was shut down due to ommunity started complaining about "noise pollution" and they filed complaints with the city to shut down the masjid. City indeed shut down the masjid and no more congregation but the masjid is standing there pending govt resolution.

One morning, mosque itself called for adhan(prayer) without anyone inside. Community again came out to see if the mosque was reopened but, alas!. It remained shut down. Those people started taking pictures and testified to truth is Islam. I don't have information as to wether the mosque is reopened or not.

Your attempt to rationale foolishness or public bully, in the name of religion, does not make sense. In muslim-dominated country no any permit is needed for Muslims to block the street for prayers, despite the fact that they have 1000s of mosques where they can pray. If there are 1000s of mosques in a country like Saudi Arabia or Egypt, why can't they pray inside their mosques?

When last did you hear the Christians, Hindus, or the shintos block public road for prayers? Let's be a bit decent bro! Let religion out of this issue, it's common sense.

Deal with it there is no peace treaty with folk like you. I tell you as is it. WE OWN THE WORLD

So eat dirts if it so frustrate you


Stop pretending as if Christians don't do the same. Muslims take over the streets why you scam your members of tithes.

And finally, no, we will not allow you to build church in heartland of Islam because you worship three-headed God contrary to Oneness of God that we know. So take your church and str prayers to Vatican

tintingz:
You're comparing a well structured develop country to that of Nigeria?

The image you provided looks more like they were protesting and time for solat hit them, or they were refugees, imigrants.

In France the country lack many mosques, so Muslims pray on the road which is now ban.

1st image is Eid prayer which was outside an ongoing mosque construction in Russia.

will that's Nigeria for you. Fix your govt before you blame people.

My concern is, why op focused on muslims while in fact Christians do the same? RCCG Lagos-Ibadan comes to mind. I remembered in the 90s we faced hell on Earth trying to exit Lagos. I don't know if it is still like that. They caused so much road block.

Besides, how about weekend parties?. They used to block the hell out of the roads but I don't know if they still do that now.

Fact is, it is wrong to block roads either for religious reason or social affairs without proper authority's approval and police presence to control traffic

Abdelkabir, you can not call interpretation "rubbish" if it doesn't fit your narration. Sahaba simply didn't not argue or question so these things. I mean Allah's Hand, Face, His residence etc. They simply understood the Ayah as it is. There was no opposing debate unlike now.

Really, my position is, (amongst us muslims), those phrases should be understood as revealed just like sahaba did. But since we are faced with multiple challenges which sahaba did not, like debating Atheists, Christians and other non-Muslims, they tend to question those things. You as Muslim would need to interpret in harmony with Quran bcus Bible similarly have literal meanings which we criticized them for.

You can not tell them that sahaba understood like that and you want to "stop where they stopped". You defeat yourself on the podium like that. So you can not say it is rubbish to interpret Allah's Hands to mean Power or Supreme Authority because there are several other verses pointing to the fact that Allah's Hand signifies Sovereighty like Q48:10 etc

And I remember very well months and yrs ago you did tawil of several ayat. So there is nothing wrong with that interpretation so long as it is in harmony with Quran. Sahaba had no reason to interpret because there was no need for it at that time.

I heard interesting narration about Sayyidina Ali (karam Allahu wajhah), which shows that he was vast in tawil of many statements of the prophet (saw).

I don't have dalil for this yet but I will narrate it anyways. Whoever has the dalil could please post it. It is said that nabi(saw) said before he passed that no one should sit on his minbar after him

So during Abu Bakr regime he never sat on nabi's minbar. The same Umar and Uthman(may Allah be pleased with them) until Ali ascended caliphate. He sat and stood on nabi's minbar which was vacated for decades. Those sahaba who were aware of nabi's statement underlined above questioned Ali(ra) that he defiled the prophet.

He replied them that minbar that prophet Muhammad (saw) was talking about are his wives not prayer station as understood literally by many of them.


That nabi(saw) meant no one should inherit his wives after him not minbar at the masjid.

Rilwayne001:
Because he'll handle the fart

lol

true2god:
You are simply making excuses for lawlessness. In any sane society, law and order are usually for peace to reign. Muslims must understand that over 80% of mankind are not Muslims and also deserve to be respected, why block a public space because you wanna pray?

This seems to be a global phenomenon associated with Islam/Muslims; deliberate and insensitive road blocking. In France, Muslims (over 90% are migrants from Africa) will travel from Lyon and Bordeaux to attend a central mosque in Paris hence overfilling the mosques and streets? When asked why they are blocking a public street they will respond that there are no enough mosque in Paris for them to pray. That the govt should provide more and bigger mosques. They make demands that they will never accept if a 'kafir' make a similar one.

This act is a clever way of gradually taking over other people's land and space for Arab imperialistic agenda. After much fight and complaints, from the local, the police has to issue a warning against blocking public roads in Paris, especially by Muslims, on Fridays. Did the Muslims comply? No.

Islam, to me, is an instruments for lawlessness, when it comes to laws made by the 'kafirs' in the land of the 'kafirs' especially with regard to Islamic excesses.

Oga, once permission is given to pray on public roads, that's no longer lawlessness. In America, they pray on the streets but not before getting approval from the city or local govt.

In that case, it is not lawlessness because they paid for permit. And police are present to divert traffic. Same is done in France. Muslims don't just occupied the street without proper permit.


Deal With It

Oh wow, sheikh Adam (ra) already talked about what's going on now. Subhanallah

So izala was around back then. This is exactly what's happening now. If you recite solati fatih they call you kafir or alhubidiah

May Allah continues to shower His Nur in the grave of sheik Adam Abdullah Al-ilory


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eCAsxXyKR0&t=602s

People got opinions

I am giving 3 credit only because he's comfortably taking all the fart straight to his mouth

Rilwayne001:
I say 3. .

why?

Solve this




Who Is The Strongest In This Picture?

I say 2

^^

Wooord

Misconception they have is that it is kufr govt. Therefore, muslims should not participate. That's shortsighted pathetic view.

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sarahade:
Ok I've learnt but recently it has been crap. Like someone asking about who should name a child and silly stuffs.
Sometimes I go back to read old topics.

well, no knowledge is too small.

Fatech:
guy you dy watch ball?

He be like say he sniffs igbo before he logs online. His sickness can no longer be cured by ruqya

At the end of the day, you agreed with my point when you said

As we read Aafia Siddiqui, we could not help but feel bad for the poor woman. This Pakistani have been persecuted and incarcerated by American Christian court for insulting Christianity. A US Christian politician that spoke in her defense was assassinated, just as Salman Taseer was assassinated for defending Aasia Bibi. An American Muslim representative that spoke in her defense was assassinated, just as Shabbaz Bhatti was assassinated for speaking in defense of Aasia Bibi.

We wholeheartedly, agree with this reader. We see that Aasia Bibi's sentence by the Pakistan court is justified, given the US court sentence on Aafia Siddiqu for the same offense as Aasia Bibi.

In the near future we will open a thread on Christian traditions, how these traditions sanction all kinds of injustice and human right violations and how modern Christians continue to observe these traditions.

@underlined is exactly my point. So why worry yourself about muslims when you admitted to this fact yourself?. What's the point of saying this

even when we expose all flaws in his analogies, he keeps coming.

when you in fact, proved my point by citing Aafia Siddiqui? What flaws?.

Stop wasting your time over what you can not control.