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Moneywomen17:
and I ask again if all this practice that u call nasty are banished not allow will u accept a new Yoruba Muslim oba and do away with the Fulani emir yes or no

I resend this question to you. Will Yoruba people including Obas are ready to give them up?.

Fundamentalist:
You should take the bull by the horn

Even professors fail waec

see this one trying to teach me something I learned at age 6. Go ahead and keep bothering people over peanuts. I have been here on nl long enough. I am sure you can not find in my practices anything that go against tawhid.

So why should I waste my time with you?

Moneywomen17:
no oba eats flesh that’s been what u been repeating all day. I ask if Yoruba oba strict to staunch Islam rule no egungun or what u have been screaming all day will it be a just cause and u will finally do with ur Fulani overlord

I don't even understand a thing here

Moneywomen17:
my guy stop this ur nonsense is opc a cultural practice, who are ogboni. Egungun is literally masquerade and it’s praticed all over the world what is nasty about it. If they allow the things u called nasty not to be practiced in ilorin will u now accept oba of pure Yoruba rather than ur Fulani overlord

hahaha...ashiri e tu. We know what egungun is in Yoruba land. Why are you trying to sync it with mere fun play masquerade around the world?. Your egungun in Yorubaland it tied with Osha


And when I said nasty, that was actually referring specifically to iwuye Oba where new oba eats Ifún at edo of your new oba

kayfra:
Speak for yourself. I am proud of my Yoruba heritage worldwide and I don't want my Oba to be a Pope or Bishop or Imam or Emir or any silly imported religious title. He can practice whatever faith he wants, that's between him and his creator. But my culture and identity should be preserved.

I am not one to be proud of enslavement under nomadic people claiming supremacy and royalty under the pretext of a religion. At some point in time your IQ should see you beyond the facade. But I expect too much. Ruling Fulanis have drained the manhood in your balls.

even the worst cultural practices in Arabia, they gave up the sh!t. Go and eat your Oba's flesh when it is your turn.

Moneywomen17:
he is not Yoruba but Fulani if u have lived in ilorin before u will understand. There are some much worse than empiree they hide under Yoruba but are Fulani than Fulani who only speak Fula alone. His kind should be the first to be cleansed from ilorin or they will just sabotage it when will succeed at putting oba in ilorin.

I only spent 4yrs. There are those who lived there their entire life in ilorin. What do you say of Igbos in ijebu, Lagos etc, you think they have time for Biafra nonsense?. If they don't want biafra, does that mean they are servitude to Yoruba?. What type of reasoning is that?. Get over your silly agitation

kayfra:
I mean I have heard about the docile Ilorin stereotype, but this Empiree dude is a perfect example. If an AI (robot) was to be created that represented a speaking Fulani doormat, I'd clone him instead.

Inability to make clear distinctions between religion and culture is a handicap.

you don't get it, do you?. I have clear distinction btw the two several time. That's one of the many virtues of being a Muslim. I outlined cultural practices on Yoruba that are nasty but you guys pretend like you don't understand.
I have also outlined Yoruba practices that are in harmony with Islam or that are nuetral. And I said those that are nuetral or in harmony I have no problems with them.

But the cultural practices which opc, ogboni people are craving for are those nasty stuff like rubbishes they do at coronation, egungun agemo Eyo osun festivals etc. These are not in harmony.

Ojude Oba for instance is in harmony.

kayfra:
What does dominant religion have to do with keeping religion personal and separate from culture?

How does fanaticism about a religion nominate subordination and subjugation?

Is this a difficult concept for you to grasp?

If you can't grasp simple concepts then you deserve to remain a slave. It's obviously to your liking and your ilks liking

Nigeria generally, you dont give a flying fvck about your cultures bcus majority of you have adopted English culture which is apparent today. We can see this in your so called Nollywood movies where women are as useless as rotten egg. And that's exactly what it is in real life. If you so much care about culture. yoruba culture demands woman to dress responsibly but many of them dont today are rotten. Islam however preserves that. Why picked on Fulani?. Why hide under "preserving yoruba culture" to criticize fulani?. Yoruba culture in itself is fading off in the SW. This proves that you guys have motives behind silly agitation. You want unrest in the region, period

Turantula:
Afonja has finished Yorubas. Chai! Fulani has colonized these people totally and completely.
#stopwillingslavery

You keep talking about slavery as if the entire country called nigeria is not enslaved already?.

kayfra:
Not all ilorin indigenes are muslims and 100% of the indigenes are yorubas. Eff off with your religious garbage. Religion is a personal relationship with your God and not a cultural identity.

Good. You are exposing your real self. Your real intention with this nonsense agitation. Now tell me the dominant religion in ilorin for donkey years?. Mind you i spent 4 yrs of my life in ilorin and learned quite a lot.

You all dont need to hide behind "preserving yoruba culture". You have bigger plan to destabilize the region. I am not settling for that nonsense. Once you start, the next thing is bombs and violence plague with city of ilorin and you crazy people will start saying "see another muslim region in chaos, what's wrong with these muslims". There are bigger issues in nigeria to resolve. This Is not one of them

Fundamentalist:
[s]Since you brought this up, let's start from the shahada ?

Can you tell us the meaning of Muhammadu rasullulah ?[/s]

Save this for elementary school boy

tarano:
Wait there is Fulani hegemony in Ilorin. No one has any problem with Islam. The emir himself came out and said he is a Fulani ruling over Ilorin emirate.

Simple this solely an Ilorin matter. The Ilorin Muslims do not want a Fulani simple.

Also we do not want the official title emir.

Both are British colonial construct.

You don't need to say you don't have problem with islam. You already said you have problem with the use of "Emir". Emir as it sounds is more comfortable for reasonable muslims bcus we have a term like that for leader in islam called 'Amir'. It simply mean leader or Imam. But Oba as we know in Yoruba land, while it means the same thing, we know without doubt all sort of nasty things they do whether during coronation or other festivals. You are using tactic like "we dont hate you but we dont like what you do". I get it.

If there should ever happens to be overthrown of Emir of ilorin, i rather prefer 100% practising muslim Emir of Yoruba descent. But i dont have problem with current Emir. Neither he nor Sultan are responsible for recent Fulani behaviour. Thats federal govt responsibility to handle. But I am definitely not voting for Yoruba cults like ogboni, Opc types of thing. They can keep that in Lagos, Ogun etc but not ilorin. So the folks yearning for this agitation are opc type not essentially Muslims. So they can suck it up. Besides, if you have watched many lectures by muslim scholars, anytime they make reference to Emir of ilorin, they always say "Oba of ilorin sheeeeeeeeeeu" like saying "Awujale...kaaaaaaabiyesi oo"

AbdelKabir:
Your lie that, criticizing people's aqeedah(which is not tottally true as some got their manhaj criticised instead) leads to khaarijiyyah.

At the end of the day I didn't lie. You just confirmed that I was right.

My question is, why do you pre-occupied yourself with who's on the right manhaj and who's not?.

This is Islam

Shahada

Obligatory salat

Ramadan

Zakat

Haj

Anything else should never ever cause divisions within muslim Ummah. Your scholars based their manhaj on certain people are correct while other are wrong. This is the foundation for sectarianism.

To hold on to just section of muslims and disregard other misguided is ground for fanatism. Empiree had overcome that crap. Your buddy's hatred of Shia etc only based on sectarian differences. Same goes for some amongst them too. The moment sheikh Albani said it is not enough to call yourself Muslim in this day and age was recipe for disaster.


Muslim is Muslim even if he's jackass or manhaj, Adhab is crooked. And you are against Dr. Bilal bcus of his lenient approach to Ikhwan and for mentioning and crediting Syed Abul A'la Maududi, perhaps, bcuz he was from Pakistan/India subcontinent.


Do you have any idea how long I have been reading Syed Abul A'la Maududi's work?. Since primary school habibi along with sheikh Ahmad Deedat(ra) until my college yrs in ilorin. Never did I hear of Albani, sheikh bin Baz and co until a little over 10yr ago.

kayfra:
At least if you'll have an Emir. Appoint an indigene, not a foreigner that massacred your forefathers and dominated over you. Show some shame or reflection

Pardon?. Even if they appointed staunched Yoruba muslim y'all still gonna have problems with it. Abeg, you have many problems to cure in nigeria. You are trying to add more. Don't start what you can not finish. Yes, there should be indigenous ruler over them.. That's how prophet of islam did it by installing the son of the land to lead them. But this Emir is half yoruba and fulani. he is already absorbed. If there should be agitation it should only be Alfas not average yoruba or yoruba cults like ogboni and other occults. This is what your agitation is about. They want silly cuilts in ilorin. I 'd prefer current setting than their cults

AbdelKabir:
You dey mind am? After he no get anything to talk, na to lie remain...may the curse of Allaah be upon the liars.

Whats my lie?. Are these lies?

E.mpiree:
nope, it not not silly. it is not even this thread. i have been following your posts on the lady's thread where you have been having problem with salafi scholars lately and i have said it before. you now picked on dr. bilal philips. i'd wanted to comment but decided to ignore. you also picked your sheikh Assim and so on.

And of course you faulted your nigerians salafi scholars whom you used to praise, like Alaro, Eleha, Sharafdeen. now you said they have aqeeda problem. now u said the same about sheikh Assim. this shows you are deeply sectarian and you have problem

MODIFIED,

Actually it is not Mofp.earl's thread. It is your thread but she contributed. That was my mistake but does not refute the fact that you have problems with your salafi scholars.

Osaze007:
Shame on MURIC for keeping quiet

MURIC is MUSLIMs affairs not Yoruba

kayfra:
it was crystal clear and explains why the town is exactly where it is. They've succeeded in conflating religion and their superiority within that religion with yoruba cultural norms. The false equivalence won you over.

Same thing applies to the British. They said god is white and that's why you see the so called statue of Jesus is always white and Nigerian Christians fell for the crap. You can see now Nigeria as whole still subservients to them. If their should ever going to be agitation you should free Nigeria from the British indirect rule not causing more internal problems. No one denied ilorin is Yoruba place. I never said that. Your problem is the Emir and I have told you Emir is Yoruba by large percentage.

So what more you guys want?. What do you want to achieve by cause problems?. And if you succeed, does that change anything except for doing your nasty oba coronation where your new oba eats flesh of old Oba and then you still call yourselves "educated people".

Fantastic!

Fundamentalist:
Is there prove for this claims

ask him

kayfra:
You see how the enslavement works in your life? You totally abhor cultural practices that is 100% optional in the name of tolerating Fulani Muslim's superiority over yourself which according to you is akin to Arab slavery over blacks. But it is wrong but you will tolerate it 100% because it is under the guise of religion which isn't optional.

Dude. You are as blind as a bat or worse. You've been brainwashed and should really have nothing to live or long for with useless balls dangling between your legs. Your lots are impotent, they've made your standing meaningless. Freaking slaves in your indigenous lands.

You tolerate fulani superiority in the name of religion. That's not religion. It is mental enslavement and now you're handicap.

I don't have time for bullshit
I think my post was crystal clear. You can keep screaming about Fulani superiority
That's your problem

AbdelKabir:
I know I'm a nightmare to you in this forum that's why you can't seem to help but to mention my moniker anytime you are psined thinking that harms me....common man, that's just silly and stupid.

nope, it not not silly. it is not even this thread. i have been following your posts on the lady's thread where you have been having problem with salafi scholars lately and i have said it before. you now picked on dr. bilal philips. i'd wanted to comment but decided to ignore. you also picked your sheikh Assim and so on.

And of course you faulted your nigerians salafi scholars whom you used to praise, like Alaro, Eleha, Sharafdeen. now you said they have aqeeda problem. now u said the same about sheikh Assim. this shows you are deeply sectarian and you have problem

Fundamentalist:
Alhamdulillah jabata second in command has abandoned his evil ideology and embrassed the path of the salaf

just finished listened to his latest audio lecture

cc

saeedbinali repent before you die a khawarij

but abdelkabir is undercover khawarij and jabata manhaj. But he pretends he is not

abdulwastecx:
The funny thing is I am a Muslim that was born among Hausa and Fulani. People must learn how to separate religion from politics, Fulani or Hausa see you first as a Yoruba before anything,I don't hate the emir of ilorin but i hate the fact that he is an extension of Northern hegemony in the heartbeat of Yoruba land.

that's their problem. They simply go against Islam teaching. Same applies to Arabs. They do that too. I just don't care about culture much unless it is either in harmony with my faith or it is neutral. This goes for other cultures around the world as well. You see how they corrupted young Muslims in Lagos despite yrs of preachings by alfas. During Oro, egungun, agemo, Eyo festivals etc you hear Muslim names which indicate muslims are heavily amongst those people. You barely hear Christian names. They preserved theirs but want to corrupt Muslims. So no I don't want Yoruba version of emir or oba. This is the main reason my grandpa rejected kingship when it was his turn.

And yes, muslims must be able to distinguish religion from culture for safety. I participate in Yoruba cultural practices that are neutral and in harmony with Islam. This is the problem majority of people in SW have. I love the way I was brought up.

Your agitation on the other hand will give folks like of ogboni and other cults like it to invade ilorin with their diabolical practices. Ilorin is ilu Alfa and must remain so. It doesn't mean subservient to Fulani. It is you guys that portrayed it that way. Fulani muslim scholars know too well that their superiority claim (if true), is unislamic. Arabs do the same to black people in their country. You are inferior to them. This is wrong.

However, this can be fixed with mutual understanding without putting on boxing gloves. But Yoruba practices can not be fixed.

troy20:
You're a snake. Been reading your comment. I can't place your tribe

I said clearly few times that i am yoruba but they kept forcing fulani-aboki tribe down my throat so i played along.

Moneywomen17:
my guy even this lies u are telling or the accusation of hating Islam u are pointing at me will not stop anything lol. I have Muslim in my family and Muslim are all over the Sw. ethnicity and religion and separate and no Fulani emir should be tolerated in Yoruba land. Ibadan have Muslim but still is olubsdan not emir. Soon ilorin too will be like Ibadan own with a traditional stool. Mark my words whether now 10 years from now or more it will happen. Hell I will try everything in my power and others will contribute to make it happen

Goodluck

Moneywomen17:
once Nigeria is restructure and there is no longer emir in ilorin and it’s part of Sw the agitation will stop till then deal with it

Oh i see. Your problem is Emir. It simply denotes Oba like other places in Yoribalnad.

Now I get it. It is clear you guys have problems with anything islam. You want to bring your Oba version to ilorin where your new Oba eats old Oba's flesh. This diabolic crap MUST not come to ilorin. Fvck your agitation.

Yoruba coronation involves all types of nasty things exactly as portrayed in yoruba movies. So, no, we dont want that bullsh!t in ilorin. We don't want Egungun in ilorin. We don't want Agemo in ilorin. We don't want Oro in ilorin. We don't want Osun worship in ilorin. We don't want all these craps in ilorin. I am Yoruba man and I am a muslim. It does not in anyway means Yoruba are buttlickers of fulani.


Besides, a guy already told you that Emir of ilorin is 80% yoruba. 20% fulani.

Moneywomen17:
shut up aboki asslicker. What the government should do is allow a country with fairness and justice not this current one where Fulani are murdering people with no repercussions or the fact that people who want their own state or restructure can not get it.

perhaps you failed to read this

Empiree:
What govt needs to do is to curb thugs amongst them. Restructure Nigerian Constitution free of nepotism and purge corruptions.


Every ethnic group should be able to hold political posts.

Moneywomen17:
aboki stop crying if anybody can rule anywhere then Yoruba should be emir of the ilorin. U are saying Sw is a shithole but ilorin is a bigger shithole so shut up. If British is ruling u must Fulani rule u too. Why not see it like this adress Fulani rule first then we will proceed to British and then we will make all Sw including ilorin less shithole

one of the problems Nigerians (all of you ) have is hatred for one another. Nigerian Constitution should make it absolutely illegal and punishable offense for anyone to address other tribe by rascially despicable names like you just did. But you all shit hole including your govt. Govt is above the law. Citizens do whatever they want. For record, I'm not aboki. I'm not Hausa-fulani.

Your former colonial masters are happy right now with your infightings over rubbish.

myobjective:
You don't tell south Westerner what they should be agitating for. The boundary of the Yoruba nation is jeba and when the time is right, they will all be within the political boundary of south-west Nigeria

goodluck, buddy.

abdulwastecx:
Agitating for control over an area that used to be part of the political border of ones ethnic group is not fermenting trouble, it is a genuine agitation. You talking about British colonial rule that ended 58 years ago when we have internal Fulani domination in out doorstep.

Fulani should never used religion yo take control of any part of Yoruba land, they are divine to rule over us and if you are comfortable with that, there are millions of us that are not comfortable with it.

Lol, British colonial rule ended Wow with your level of education you could say this?. You think you have independence yet?. The one you got in 1960 was to make you comfortable in writing. They never de-colonized you. Nigeria is still 95.99% subservients to them economically etc. If not, why would Ipob seeks international approval for its course?. Besides, the so called Yoruba culture you wanna uphold is gradually receeding with the way Youths are adopting Western cultures but you are worried about Fulani?. In that case you guys have ulterior motives to destabilize the region. Fulanis ilorin are already yorubanized.

You need to first solve many problems across the board before adding another one. You wanna take back political border but SW as a whole is sh!t hole itself.

You'd better work out one Nigeria because I don't see your agitation having positive effect. I don't even see Fulani rulling us as you guys keep painting it. Are they not black like you?. They are Nigerians. What's all these infightings for?. What govt needs to do is to curb thurgs amongst them. Restructure Nigerian Constitution free of nepotism and purge corruptions.


Every ethnic group should be able to hold political posts. Stop adding more problems to already fragiled country. Ilorin had always been peaceful. Why are you guys creating more problems?. Are you gonna understand when bombs start going off in ilorin before realizing your mistakes?

Demmzy15:
Which dirty Sunni? Lol, of course you can't support our stand because we're against Iran which is worse than Israel and continues to kill Muslims in their thousands.

We don't need people like you in our fold

Thank You very much for clarifying your position

scholes0:
See ode...Mumu will always find a way to justify his mumuism.

Ok so ask yourself , is Ilorin in anyway better than Ikorodu or other Yoruba towns that practices Yoruba culture 100%?
Maybe when Ilorin gets to Boko Haram level of "Islamic culture" you will be most pleased by then.

has it ever been bh headquarter?. Did BH ever existed in ilorin?.. In other parts of SW, don't you have bunch of BH there daily?. I meant cultists who called themselves all sorts of names like Eiye, etc so they have to be called BH before you realized they are killing people?. Yeyeman

omoelerin1:
Keep deceiving yourself. What is different between Islam and Yoruba traditional religion?
I know what many Islamic cleric do. To the extent of using human parts. They are worst than ogboni people. The alujonu which Islam Alfas conjure are what Yoruba traditionalists call irunmole.
Do you want to tell me Fulani people don't have terrible charms?

this is not about what individual does, buddy. Anyone using human parts is corrupt and must be criminal. This is different issue