₦airaland Forum

AbdelKabir:
You are not a scholar of hadeeth, you are just ignoramus so your critism holds no weight especially when the hadeeth that mentioned najd and the one that mentioned iraaq can be reconciled perfectly without stress, mention of najd makes the usage unrestricted, but mention of iraaq(which is also a najd) defines it for us perfectly...... Now let's ask a qualified Muhaddith if there is anything wrong with the hadeeth, Shaykh Muhammad Nasrud deen Al-Albaani, he says in silsilatus saheehah hadeeth number 2246: "SAHEEH, it was related with a statement having "our iraaq" in place of "our najd" and the meaning is one"


OK a muhaddith have explained telling us the hadeeth is sahih, so I will take his word instead of ignoramuses....

AlBaqir:
# Hadith is judged based not only on its sanad but its matn. The hadith is only proved sanad-wise I was the one that challenged its sanad.

Besides, the article of Raintaker and Empiree point of argument has always being on the matn, not sanad.

AlBaqir:
I meant REVIEW @underline

AlBaqir:
US has promised to help Saudi revive all her wahabi conservative books. Don't worry, whatever that is used to be haram will become Halal and vice versa. Welcome to the New Saudi America.

AbdelKabir:
a marfoo' hadeeth is a hadeeth that has an unconnected chain to the prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam, so thank you very much for admitting the hadeeth is marfoo' .a numayr....

AbdelKabir:
OK you've resorted to stories, you can't prove the hadeeth is false, your case is dismissed!

vedaxcool:
Once again Assad aided by the it's allies Russia and Iran murder civilians in the most horrible and despicable manner available.

Please share below video: This is a video of western backed "rebels" (terrorists) in Syria TEACHING children how to ACT for a mock chemical attack which would be used by the media to blame the Assad government.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1763925076979962&id=522976657741483

AbdelKabir:
Stop saying "the famous hadeeth we all know", say the one you know, and knowledge don't end at what you know, hadeeth that mentioned Iraaq has been known for ages, so you should be humble enough to accept this hadeeth, I only brought up ibn Abdulwahhab because that was when the sufi grave worshippers started interpreting it as najd of Saudi since they knew he is from najd.

For the umpteenth time, there are many najds, and iraaq is one of them, the first hadeeth that mentions najd making it prone to unrestricted interpretation and we find another hadeeth that says iraaq hence restricting the intended meaning of " najd", what's difficult to understand there?



Any individual that is a grave worshipper is not an Aalim but a jaahil mubtadi' mushrik kaafir.

Demmzy15:
Ok o, no vex. You and your holy attitude, can you beat your chest and say you don't do/support anything that is haram directly or indirectly?

AbdelKabir:
The only thing left for you to do now is deny, even tho the truth points to your chest like a dagger, you've been told of another hadeeth that specifically mentioned iraaq and precisely defined the intended meaning of najd, why not use your 'hardworking man approach' you always profess?

I mean, the salafs, scholars have always understood najd here to be iraaq, it was when sufi grave worshippers were looking for what how to make people run from shaykul Islam Muhammad ibn Abdulwahhab rahimahullaah dhu rahmati waasi'ah, they now formed this theory which people like you are holding on to today...

Demmzy15:
^^^ See finishing abeg, in years to come "Remember how we shut you up in the Najd thread". Everybody can see now o!!! He never thought there was a narration with "Iraaq", as soon as he saw it he began to bring all sort of unintelligent excuses. He requested for Arabic as if he's an expert of the language, when brought he used Google Translate even me with my weak Arabic knows that "our Iraaqina" is a blunder. Seriously bro, it is finished.

Demmzy15:
@Em.piree, the picture you brought earlier is known as "Baloot" not a Casino. It has always been played by inhabitants of Saudi Arabia (especially Hijaz) even before the establishment of Saudi Arabia when the region was under the control of the Ottomans. The government only made it official as a competition to reward the first four winners, it is not gambling as the competitors didn't place a bet or register with money or the likes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloot https://www.geo.tv/latest/189735-first-ever-cards-tournament-kicks-off-in-saudi-arabia

AbdelKabir:
You are being restless for nothing, we are not holding to one hadeeth, rather we are using a clearer one for people like you that wish to change what was meant by the prophet.....najd was said in one hadeeth and iraaq mentioned in the other, what's wrong in taking to the clearer hadeeth especially when iraaq itself is a najd to madina?

Empiree:
right fine because that's public record. But the question remains that when the people asked nabi (saw) in Medina "OUR NAJD?". Where they referring to elevated area?

AbdelKabir:
Even if you want to deceive yourselves you should at least be honest enough to correct your brother in deceit @Raintaker that said the word Iraaq came to be in 1920 and tell him this

Raintaker:
This why you need to do more studies and not just argue for argument's sake, there was no Iraq during the time of Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W).
The region was renamed Iraq in 1920 by the British.
This your Hadith is obviously Fabricated and Fake.

AbdelKabir:
If I say sahabah, is the generation of the sahabah not the generation of the prophet as well?? Do you think with your brain at all? That clear hadeeth already mentioned "iraaq" meaning, the name "iraaq" existed in the time of the prophet, except you can bring something tangible we cannot accept your "I suspect"/ nonsense...
Known to you, because you know what you know want to know. People have long known this hadeeth even in the time of the tabi'i, so because it's only one version you know, doesn't mean when.another comes, it becomes a " fraud" unless if.you can go through academic process to show us we can't accept the hadeeth...
What happened to your popular mantra that we shouldn't use " lazy man approach " and taking one hadeeth in isolation? Now two hadeeth are brought, one mentioned najd, and the other helps us to interpret najd to mean iraaq, what's the fraud in that?? You can't just claim fraud, show us why can't accept the other hadeeth...Okay there is another hadeeth from ibn Abbas this time around that mentioned the same thing that was narrated in ibn umar hadeeth, the version that is giving you headache now....is that one a fraud too?

We have different versions of salaatul ibrahimiyyah....are we going to say because of slight differences then there is a fraud somewhere?

Your thinking ehn...no intelligence in it at all...

Where is Najd – HORN of SATAN?[b][/b]


Evidence #1

The hadeeth of ibn Umar reported by Abu Nu’aym in “Hiliya tul Awliya” of Abu Nu’aym al-Isfihani, 6/133.

The hadith has two particular narrators in it’s Sanad:

1) Abdullah bin Jaami’i al-Halwaani – He is a Mujhool (unknown) narrator.
2) Tawba bin Kisaan – He is thiqa but also considered weak according to some Muhaditheen.

So, due these two narrators this hadith is actually weak.



Evidence #2

The hadeeth of Jabir reported in Sunnan Ibn Majah (English) Vol. 1, Book 25, Hadith # 2915, Dar us Salam Publishers (Riyadh Najd) Saudi Arabia]

This hadith containts Ibrahim bin Yazeed who is “MATROOK” “DA’EEF” “MUNKAR UL HADITH” and not to forget Imam Bukhari (rah) himself used the wording “Sakatu ‘anhu” regarding him which proves him to be a worst kind of narrator.

So, this hadith is not authentic.


Evidence #3
The hadeeth of ibn Umar reported in “Mu’jam al Awsat” by at-Tabaraanee.

The chain contains:

1. Ali bin Sa’eed bin Basheer.
2. Ziyad bin Biyan.
They both have weakness and/or are not approved. Hence a chain from them will become weak.


Evidence #4
The hadith in “Musnad Ahmed” which appears to have an authentic chain. The hadith comes via route of “Handhalah. In this hadeeth Ibn Numayr narrates directly from Handhalah whereas in Sahih Muslim Ibn Numayr narrates this hadith from Ishaq bin Suliman first and then Handhalah and that authentic hadith in Sahih Muslim does not contain the word “IRAQ” but instead uses the word “EAST” (see Sahib Muslim #6942). This same Handhalah is yet again a narrator in another hadeeth chain, and this hadeeth also contains the word “EAST” (see “Akhbar al Makkah” by Al-Fakihi, hadeeth #1123). So it is proven from this same Handhalah that he actually narrated the word “EAST’. Also, this hadeeth appears to be mistranslated as referring to east due to the words “Ya’umul Iraq”. However, “Yushero bi Yaddihi Ya’umul Iraq” does not necessarily mean that “he showed Iraq with his hand”. The literal word by word translation could be: “pointed (yushero) with (bi) his hand (yaddihi) “LEADING TOWARDS (YA’UMUL)” Iraq. The word “Ya’umul” proves that pointing was towards a generally eastern direction and not Iraq itself. So, the possible meaning is: “LEADING TOWARDS” Iraq, not Iraq itself.



Evidence #5

Sahih Muslim, book 41, hadeeth #6943.

The fact that Muslim narrated that Salim ibn `Abd Allah ibn `Umar applied this hadith to the people of Iraq does not limit its meaning to them. Let’s say for example that an evil starts out with it’s roots in Najd (modern day Saudi Arabia) but then spreads to other places, like Iraq or Egypt. The root cause of the evil Fitnah will still remain in the territory of Najd even if this fitnah will emerge from different places. It stands proven from the Prophet (p) that no matter where this email emerges from, it will still be condemned. However, the hadeeth seems to imply that the people of Iraq were simply being warned of the evil horn of Satan that would emerge in Najd (modern day Saudi Arabia), so that they would also not fall into this evil. Allah knows best.

AbdelKabir:
[s]Except if you can't read Arabic iraaq is clearly spelt there...[/s]

[s]You really have to leave Sufi madness and gain real and beneficial knowledge![/s] People have been bearing "al-iraaqiy" in the time of the sahabas, like a hadeeth about Aisha and one particular person that had "al-iraaqiy as part of his names, what's the meaning of " al-iraaqiy"? Someone that is from iraaq, so iraaq was not called iraaq why did people call themselves iraaqis?? Point is iraaq has always been iraaq...

Stop depending on google translate! And learn Arabic...... What is "our iraaqina?" What's the need for "na" after you've used "our" again? Lemme translate what you've written "our our Iraq"....and what's suspicious there? The hadeeth mentions" our Syria ", " our sham" and so on, so why should "our iraaq" be suspicious?? Are they not all locations?

It shows you never listened to what shaykh Albaani said in the video you yourself brought, he clearly mentioned this hadeeth you.said is strange to you, you were just looking for where he talked about Saudi, instead of you to calm down and listen to his proofs you claimed ' he stubbornly views najd to be iraaq', now the hadeeth he mentioned that specified iraaq has been mentioned to you, your system is destroyed, the only thing you can reslove to is " I suspect ".......

vedaxcool:
Sadly the Assad regime is using chemical weapons repeatedly even in Idlib

Demmzy15:
[url=http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/169-Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2041.%20Turmoil%20And%20Portents%20Of%20The%20Last%20Hour/15354-sahih-muslim-book-041-hadith-number-6943.html]Source[/url]

I believe this is a bone breaker, you're stubborn man but I hope you'll accept this. This is from a man that narrated it specifically from the Prophet and interpreted it to be Iraaq, so why beat yourself over it? Or Is Ibn Umar now a "Wahhabi"?!

Demmzy15:
I gave you series of references back, but you ignored it. I can't repeat, so do yourself a favour by going back to see it yourself. By the way, I'll answer your request by providing you with a screenshot of the Arabic text.

Demmzy15:
I don't

Al-Mujjam Awasaat Tibraani, Hadith-4230
Musnad-e-Bazzar,Abu-Bakr Bazzar Pg.292
Musnad Abdullah-bin-Umar Trososa pg.273
Silsilah Sahiha of Shaikh Al-Bani, Hadith number: 2246
Hilya-Awliya of Abu-Nu'aym pg.1/144
Haythami - Source: Zawaa'id - Page or number:3/308
Mundhiri in At-Tarqeeb wa-Tarhib - Page or number: 2/214
Tareekh Baghdad of Khatib al-Baghdadi 1:321
Tareekh Damishiq of Ibn-Asakir pg.571!

vedaxcool:
Once again Assad aided by the it's allies Russia and Iran murder civilians in the most horrible and despicable manner available.

Empiree:
Lord have mercy. These people are really evil.

Inside mosque Shuhada

iamgenius:
Yes, there are many Muslims here with different ideology namely; Salafism, Sufism, Shiism etc. You okay with that?

Raintaker:
It will be nice if you guys cross referenced your history.
The present day Saudi Arabia used to be in Iraq.
Even during the lifetime of the prophet there was nothing like Saudi Arabia.

Demmzy15:
Ibn Umar reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “O Allah, bless us in our Syria. O Allah, bless us in our Yemen.” He repeated it and on the third or fourth time, they said, “O Messenger of Allah, and in our Iraq.” The Prophet said, “Verily, from there will appear upheavals and tribulations and from there will rise the horn of Satan."