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Demmzy15:
Busted!!!

You happy now?. Keep reading. The guy will surprise you. He is unstable

alBHAGDADI:
It is common these days to see people posing a question to Christians on social media and even in debates with the question always in one same manner. The question usually comes from Atheists, Jews, Muslims and even heretic Christians. They wonder why we see Jesus as God and worship him.

So they ask "Show me Where Jesus said "I am God worship me?" in those exact words.

You might become confused at this moment if you are not smart. Yes, you know you can't find anywhere in the Bible where Jesus said such in those exact words, so you might be quick to quote some classical verses that show Jesus Christ is God.

Well, the person asking that question has been trained in such a way that no matter the amount of verses you quote, he won't believe you unless you show him where Jesus said "I am God worship me" in those exact words. Now he has boxed you in the "exact words" corner. The only way you can get out is to pull him into the corner to make him see how stupid it is dealing with exact words. I bet you, he will be the one to open the door for the both of you to leave the corner once he realises how stupid it is. How do you do that? You flip the question back at him. You say...

"I'll be willing to show where Jesus said 'I am God worship me' in those exact words only if you can show me where he said 'I am only a prophet, do not worship me' in those exact same words. At that moment, he will start to realise the error of requesting for exact same words. To stamp it on him, if he's a Muslim that believes according to the Quran that Jesus was born of a virgin, then ask him to show you in the Quran or Bible where Jesus said "I am born of a virgin" in those exact same words. If he can't, then it means his belief that Jesus was born of a virgin is false.

The idea behind the above is to ensure you are not dealing with exact words. If the Jew, atheist, Muslim or heretic Christian can't show you anywhere in the Bible or Quran or any book where Jesus said these exact words "I am only a prophet, do not worship me" or "I am born of a virgin", then it means he shouldn't require of you to show him where Jesus said the exact same words "I am God worship me".

Once you have passed that, you can now ask a more reasonable question.

WHERE AND HOW DID JESUS CLAIM TO BE GOD?

According to the Jews, Christians and Muslims, there are certain claims only God can make. All 3 religious beliefs hold the same view about God in that regard. That is why I am going to use the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Quran to see if Jesus made claims that only God can make.

1. Who is the "First and the Last"?

Let's start by quoting the Quran

Sura 57:3
He is the FIRST and the LAST, and the Outward (His signs appear on all His creatures) and the Inward (Hidden). And He is the All-Knower of everything.

Now let's read from the Old Testament

Isaiah 44:6
New International Version
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the FIRST and I am the LAST; apart from me there is no God.

Since both the Quran and the Bible agree that God is the First and the Last, should a prophet refer to himself as such? But that is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below.

Revelations 1:17-18
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the FIRST and the LAST. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

Can you tell us what Jesus meant when he took a title that can only be applied to God and applied it to himself? If he wasn't claiming to be God, then what was he doing?

But Jesus didn't speak English. This rubbishes and dismisses nonesense you put up

When a language is translated to another, the later loses its strength, hence corrupts the original. How can you be sure Jesus said those words. Try harder again with your copy paste

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Bārakallāhu Fīkum
Do not forget to include the Ummah in your dua.
Jazākumullāhu Khayran.

4th Rajab, 1439 A.H.
22nd March, 2018

*�IslamNode*

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Yup, thats the way they understood it. That's the way i understand it. ola anobi, ola this and that still go back to Allah. This is what i called was mustahab earlier. That's not calling on the prophet. Again, we simply have people who gone overboard.

As for Ya rasulullah, allow me to bring opinion of Dr. Bilal Philips. He said if you have the intention that nabi (saw) will provide your need when you say 'Ya rasulullah', then there is problem of calling upon him. But merely saying "Ya rasulullah salam alaika" doesn't involve calling upon him. The same is true of saying Ya sheikh fulan if it is not about calling upon them at all. May Allah ease our affairs

This argument has been around for donkey years. No Ulama ever considered tawasul of nabi(saw) to be shirk. It is what yoruba people consider "Ola Anobi". So you people saying all those ulama in nigeria, our babas were upon shirk for saying ola anobi?. I found that strange. Till today, majority still say that. Meanwhile, Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab never considered it shirk but makruh and he never had problem with making du'a using status or glory of nabi(saw). His problem is calling upon the dead directly which is wrong and which is understood.

It is always best to avoid going to graves of awliya and ask them for things especially with the way young people are going about it. People always abuse. However, muslims do tawasul at the prophet's grave in medina during Haj. So are you saying it is shirk when nabi already said his grave would not be place of worship. And the reason Ulama especially in nigeria say 'ola anobi' is by many of his virtues, birth, lineage, his status before Allah. etc. Nabi didnt need to say that.

Read Ibn Abdul Wahhab's note in the attachment.

agabusta:
As per the bold parts above, Why are you now using phones, CCTV, computers, flying planes, etc.

Is that not imitating people of the world? Is there evidence that the Prophet and his companions used same?

the best argument against the use of coffin or casket is that it is a waste of money or resources. That the prophet did not use it is not tangible evidence in my opinion. Again, it is not ideal for muslims to use casket. It is not Muslim tradition. It is a waste of money and resources. This is the position of Sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory(ra).

Besides, what's the purpose of casket?. To prevent maggots?. That's nonesense

Asquare84:
Yesterday I read in social median about 11 soldiers killed in Benin gwari in Kaduna state and where buried.

On closer look at the name of the soldier I discovered they are mostly Muslims and about to be buried in a casket

That prompted my thought that other Muslim are buried with only with cloth why is it that our army personnel that died in active service are buried in casket and other Muslim are hurried in white cloth.

In need explanation cos I'm just curious to know

It is not haram (forbidden) to bury a muslim in a coffin or casket. It is simply not a muslim tradition. It is considered waste of money. Imagine whopping amount of money spent on Chinua Achebe's burial (if that was true). Whats the point of that?. Not only him but many people buried like that.

From islamic view, there might be instances where caskets or coffins are used due to condition of the burial ground. But there is no islamic text that explicitly goes against it. It is only considered makruh(dislike). Muslims only believe in simplicity of burial which i think you should agree with. Islam frowns at extravagance. From this we deduced simple burial. What's the point of spending millions of naira just to give the land its meat?. I am sure Jesus christ(as) maintained simple lifestyle. But today christians, the so called christlike do the opposite.

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* The verse you quoted is talking about mushrikun of Makkah. They offered their sacrifices to and called on thier so called intermediaries directly. Quran itself affirmed this in the same verse you quoted.


* MUslims on the other hand used whoever they believe was pious. Their du'a goes directly to Allah and they used the pious man or awliya or the prophet as a means. So there is distinction here and it is not compulsory either. It is mustahab. Albaqir already posted evidences. And i have told you that unless you believe that saying "ola anobi" is shirk", then you gonna have to proof that. I don't need to go back to this. Omo ti won ba fi ola baba re be ti ko gbo, omo ale ni. So i can say to someone "mo fi ola baba re be e". I use your father (dont mean yours) to intermediate.


* Another example i gave was solati Ibrahimiya after at-tahiya. What do you think we are doing?. If prophet(saw) did not teach such waseela, why did Aimmah made it obligatory to recite solati Ibrahimmiya as precondition in obligatory salat?. Think about it.



* And why did you put Allah in the creation here bro?. When i said Nabi(saw) is the best of tawasul, i was talking about creation. He is the best of tawassul in this sense. Why did you put Allah in here?.


* I do not argue using our so called deeds but do we have any good deeds now free of conditions?. You can hardly see that today. Everyone including govt does "good deeds" on condition(s).

Now, let's take karama sheikh Kamaldeen Al Adabi(ra) for instance. That was really good deed he used to ask for rain. Why didnt those sahaba use thier deeds for rain instead of going to Ibn Abbas(ra)?. Was Sheikh Kamal(ra) greater than them?. Did they not have a good deed to beseech Allah with?.

We have got to the point today where if anyone claims to have good deeds, we gonna have to scrutinize him or her bcus most likely such deeds are not done with ikhlas. Therefore, in this sense, waseela through nabi(saw) is the best.


It is similar to when nabi(saw) taught us At-tahiyah, where it says "assalamu alaika ayyuhannabiyu". Some scholars today tried to change it bcuz in their mindset, since nabi(saw) is dead, we are not supposed to say "assalamu alaika ayyuhannabiyu" bcuz this only makes valid sense when he(saw) was alive. After he is dead, we not supposed to say that according to those scholars. We asked, at what point did the nabi(saw) said the phrase should be changed?. They consider it 'shirk' to say the phrase bcuz nabi is not present. So the same thing applies to tawasul and istighatha.

Intermediation is not shirk. It is only mustahab. Even Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab did not consider it shirk. He only said it is 'makruh'.

Intermediation (waseela/tawassul or means) is not aqeeda issue at all.

Lool. That's called "strategic marketing"

sino:
Bro, at the bold, it seems contradictory, do you beseech the prophet (SAW) and awliya Allah, or you beseech Allah (SWT) through the the Prophet (SAW) and awliya?! You also said with regards to beseeching the Prophet (SAW) and the awliya, you do not need to visit their graves, then does it mean they are all hearing?!

Sorry, it is THROUGH. My thought writes faster than my pen But i think i set it right later in my post.

What I believe to be reasonable, putting the warnings of the Prophet into proper perspective, is to just follow what the Prophet (SAW) taught us with regards to visiting graves.

Very simple bro. There are other evidences that he (saw) thought to visit/tawasul. Today, it seems some condemned visit to the grave of nabi with intention of that alone. This is strange to me. Now they condemn tawassul/waseela too. So basically they are trying to eradicate it altogether. No evidence against visiting the graves for that purpose only. There are evidences we can make journey to visit. We all may not like it. But this is different entirely. We talking about dalil here. There is no restriction to visiting during or outside of Hajj

Lol, I believe the major issue is the exaggerations and activities that are not sanctioned in the shari'ah being carried out by some extreme sufis...

indeed, thats one issue noted

Of course, that is why I brought up the reason as established by the Prophet (SAW) the reason for visiting graves. Allah (SWT) asked us to travel the land and reflect, but when it has to do with worship, then there is the need to employ caution, and learn what is legislated and what is not. There is a difference of opinion with tawassul using the (status of) Prophet (SAW),and it is disliked by the majority...

majority?. I hope you know tawasul/waseela is what we termed "ola anobi" in yorubaland. That's for short. "Olohun, mo fe ko ile. mo fe ra motor, mo fe ni lari, fun mi ni iyawo alalubarika ni ola anobi muhammad(saw)" This is waseela(tawasul) and it is valid. There is no better tawasul than that of the prophet. You think our deeds worth it?. Our deed is greater than the prophet even if done sincerely?. Absolutely not. The best of tawasul is nabi himself. We see this indirectly in the Qur'an and sunnah. Remember ayah "Laqodijakun rosulu". Remember solati ibrahimiyah made fard in salat?. what do you think we are doing?. The Aimmah made is fard to send salaam on the prophet as precondition for our acceptance of salat even though we know it is not necessarily fard. So i dont get where "majority" are against using nabi in this regard. So solati ibrahimiyah we recite in salat is waseela just like zakat is waseela for Ramadan.

We read these things everyday but we just read over it mechanically. We dont ponder that much. The best of waseela is nabi.

*Who is Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-Ilory?*

Posted By: FEMI ABBAS On: March 23, 2018 In: Femi Abbas


*Preamble*

AT the twilight of the 20th century in 1999, the management of The News Magazine, led by Mr. Bayo Onanuga, (now the Director-General of News Agency of Nigeria), thought of putting together in a chronicled document, the most prominent 100 Nigerian men and women of the 20th century. The publication was entitled ‘people in the news 1900-1999: A survey of nigerians of the 20th century’.



*Contributors*

The contributors to that compendium consisted of some distinguished Nigerian newspaper editors, columnists and other versatile (but non-journalists) writers who were carefully chosen and commissioned to write about the selected great Nigerians. As a columnist and the then Deputy Chairman of the Editorial Board in the Vanguard newspaper, yours sincerely was one of those writers. And the two personalities assigned to me as an Islamic columnist were the late Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-Ilory and Shaykh Abubakar Mahmud Gumi (a onetime Grand Qadi of Northern Nigeria).

The 498 page book which was publicly presented with pump and pageantry at the Nigerian Institute of International Affairs in Lagos can be called Nigeria’s 20th century ‘Hall of Fame’.



*Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-Ilory*

To know the great contribution of this colossal personality to the positive spread of  Islam and development of Arabic language in the West African sub-region, please read below what I wrote and was published in the mentioned compendium about this vertical icon and his established revolutionary Institution called Markaz. It went thus; “To Muslim communities of West Africa, two names (Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-Ilory and Markaz sound synonymous and are often used interchangeably. Until recently, only a few people knew that Markaz is a name of an Institution while Shaykh Adam is the name of its founder. Both names jointly symbolize revolution not only in the method of propagating Islam in West African sub-region but also in entrenching the divine language of the Qur’an in the hearts and brains of those Muslims.

The late Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-Ilory was both an Islamic scholar of international repute and a revolutionary.

The famous Centre for Arabic and Islamic Knowledge (Markaz) in Agege, Lagos State, continues to testify to the qualities and legacy of Sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-Ilory.



*The Citadel called Markaz*

With the establishment of Markaz in 1952, Shaykh Adam introduced an unprecedented modernity and standardization into the learning of Arabic language and Islamic culture in West African sub-region, especially Nigeria.

No 20th century Muslim scholar, dead or alive, has had such a profound impact on West African Muslim communities, in terms of Arabic scholarship and Islamic propagation as Shaykh Adam.



*In quest of further knowledge*

Unsatisfied with the depth of knowledge he acquired from those local clerics whose teaching methodology he resented, Shaykh Adam, decided to proceed abroad for further studies.

Shaykh Adam’s Academic Sojourn in Cairo. He arrived in Cairo, Egypt, in the early 1940s, where he had an academic sojourn at the prestigious Al-Azhar University which is the oldest University in the world today having been established about 970 C.E by one Jawhar, a ‘Fatimid’ front liner who made education his priority in life.

In Cairo, Sheikh Adam saw with admiration how well organized madrasahs were and dreamt of establishing one on his return to Nigeria. He studied the Egyptian curricula of education and methodology of teaching both at the elementary and secondary school levels.



*Back in Nigeria*

Thus, on returning home in 1947, he worked briefly as a missioner under Ansar-ud-Deen Society of Nigeria to enable him settle down financially in preparation for the realization of his long term ambition. In a short while, his burning desire to reform madrasah system in Nigeria spurred him to start planning for the establishment of Markaz.

Thus, with just meager financial resources but relentless determination, he established his dreamt madarasah called Markaz in Abeokuta, now Ogun State, on April 16, 1952. The Institution which was to become the centre of revolution  in the teaching of Arabic and Islamic education in Nigeria, started with just 19 pupils and four teachers including Shaykh Adam himself. The founder’s foresight, however, would not allow Markaz to remain in Abeokuta for long. He moved the Institution to Agege in 1955.



*Uniqueness of Markaz*

The uniqueness of Markaz is not to be seen in the quality of education taught to the students alone. The modern teaching methodology and reformation with which the Institution is characterized confirm that uniqueness. For instance, it was in Markaz that the use of chalk and blackboard for teaching Arabic and Islamic education was first introduced in Southwest Nigeria. Hitherto, the teaching instruments were wooden slates and local ink. It was in Markaz of all madrasahs, that a curriculum was first introduced which classified studies into subjects while pupils were distributed into classrooms according to their levels. It was in Markaz that pupils of Arabic and Islamic education first wore uniforms and sat on chairs rather than on bare floor while writing with pencil or pen in notebooks. It was in Markaz that written examination was first conducted as a means of assessing and promoting pupils from class to class while certificates were issued to successful madrasah graduates as a measure of their level of education. It was in Markaz that such facilities as dormitories, library, printing press and clinic were first provided for students.



*Establishment of Secondary school*

Still burning in an ambition to build quality human beings, Shaykh Adam decided to add a secondary stage of education called Thanawiyyah in the Arab world but decided to name it At-Tawjihi meaning ‘Pre-University institute’. That was in 1964. This innovation made it possible for students of Markaz who had completed their elementary education in Arabic and Islamic studies to surge ahead and get prepared for University education. It was an idea that created ambition in most graduates of Markaz to become like Shaykh Adam in future. The idea thus propelled the ambition in most of those Markaz graduates to proceed to the Arab world for further studies. Today, the result is manifest.



*Antagonism*

However, for doing all these and for teaching students such subjects as syntax, morphology, logic, semantics, philosophy, geography, History, Mathematics, and Literature, Shaykh Adam was confronted with implacable hostility by the local, traditional Alfas who saw the new revolution as a cultural affront. That hostility became aggravated when Shaykh Adam added a Central Jum’at Mosque different from that of Agege Township to Markaz where he was translating the Friday Arabic sermon into Yoruba language. But the courageous scholar remained undaunted.



*First Graduation Ceremony*

With the first graduation ceremony of Markaz in 1957, however, which many people watched with admiration, Sheikh Adam won a landmark victory for his revolution. Following that graduation, some ambitious local Alfas swallowed their pride by shelving their envy and enrolled in Markaz as students to improve their knowledge and undergo tutelage in the modern teaching methodology.

Some of these Alfas came from various parts of Nigeria as well as neighbouring countries like Benin Republic, Togo, Ghana, Cote de Voire, Guinea, Burkina Faso, Cameroon as well as Sierra Leone, Liberia and Senegal. After graduation, all of them went back to their home countries to establish similar Institutions in their domains under the supervisory umbrella of Markaz.



*Graduates of Markaz*

Today, thousands of graduates of Markaz and those of the affiliate Institutions are University graduates in various fields of discipline. Scores of them are highly placed in their professional callings.

Today, Markaz can proudly regale in the galaxy of its alumni who are holding sway in virtually all fields of human endeavour. Among these are Professors like Ishaq Olanrewaju Oloyede, a former Vice Chancellor of the University of Ilorin and now the Registrer of JAMB; Professor Abdur-Razak Deremi Abubakar, a former Vice Chancellor of Al-Hikmah University, Ilorin, Kwara State; The late Professor Shuaib Uthman, a former Deputy Vice Chancellor of Usman Dan Fodio University, Sokoto; Professor Murtada Aderemi Bidmus, a former Dean of the Faculty of Education, University of Lagos, to mention but just a few. There are many other Markaz alumni with Ph.D. degrees. There are also Medical Doctors; Lawyers; Engineers; Ambassadors;  Journalists (including yours sincerely), Architects; Accountants; Bankers; Pharmacists; Surveyors; Civil Servants; Business men and women as well as Secondary School Principals and teachers; name it. They all exemplify the great Institution’s anthem which is often chanted emotionally with relish by the students and alumni of the citadel.



*Shaykh Adam’s Ascetic Lifestyle*

Despite Shaykh Adam’s financial constraints, and his close relationship with the Arab world, he never sought financial aid from any foreign country. Not only did he believe that such a quest was capable of undermining one’s social status and dignity; he also resented begging in whatever form as a means of fulfilling an ambition. Naturally, Shaykh Adam was an ascetic person who shunned avarice in all its ramifications. And due to his ascetic nature, he was highly respected by personalities like the late Premier of Northern Nigeria, Sir Ahmadu Bello, the Sardauna of Sokoto; the late General Murtala Muhammed; the late Bashorun MKO Abiola, the late General Abdul Baqi Babatunde Idiagbon and even Chief Olusegun Aremu Obasanjo, a two term President of Nigeria’s fourth republic.



*League of Imams and Alfas*

In 1963, Shaykh Adam initiated the formation of the League of Imams and Alfas of the South West of Nigeria to which he served as Secretary-General till his demise in 1992. After the establishment of that League, he turned down his nomination as President and preferred to serve as Secretary-General. He was also the initiator and leader of the ten man team that translated the Qur’an from Arabic into Yoruba.



*Orator and Islamic Preacher*

Shaykh Adam was a very powerful orator and vociferous Islamic preacher who used his Friday sermon as well as his Ramadan Tafsir (exposition of the Qur’an) to create Islamic consciousness among all Muslims in West Africa. In his sermons and open door preachings, he never spared any government of the day on issues of corruption, human rights abuse, democracy, economic mismanagement and arrogance of power.

As an author of scores of scholarly books and booklets, Shaykh Adam was internationally acknowledged as a towering Islamic scholar whose contribution to Islamic scholarship and propagation in West Africa remained unequalled in the 20th century. Some of his books were being used in some Universities in the Arab world.



*Awards*

Shaykh Adam was the first black African to win the coveted Egyptian intellectual Gold Medal Award in Arabic Literature, which was presented to him by President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt in 1989. He had earlier, in 1975, won the Muritanian International Award for Islamic Scholarship, which was presented to him by the late President Moukhtar Ould Dada of that country.

Shaykh Adam traveled far and wide in the Arab world, Europe and Asia to attend many academic and Islamic conferences where he often presented scholarly papers. He was a member of many international academic and Islamic bodies in Africa, Middle East and Asia.

Born in Ilorin to Alfa Abdul Baqi and Madam Aisha, in April 1917, Sheikh Adam who died on May 3, 1992 was married and blessed with many children. One of those children, Shaykh Habibullah Adam Abdullah Al-Ilory, is the current Rector of Markaz.”



 Copyright © 2017
Culled by: Abdulrahman Ilyas

I am going to digress a little.

AlBaqir:
* A good example is reward for Tahajjud - it is said that one could be raised to maqam Mahmud. Five daily prayer cannot give that. Yet Tahajjud is just mustahab.


Therefore, in my humble opinion, many ahadith on the Ziyarat to Imam Hussain's Qabr could fall in one of those 3 highlighted points. So, don't be terrify with its magnificent reward.

See what you just said. See why Sheikh Onikijipa was misunderstood. It is pretty much something like this when he said things others do not comprehend. To even earn a reward for obligatory salat is hard enough if it is not done properly. But these mustahabat get it good.

Does that mean nawafil are more rewardable than fard?. No


Fard practices = reward is small but you can not ignore, discard or miss it. You get punished[b]d


Nawafil practices = rewards are great but you may miss it, ignore it and discard it without punishment


So when alfa says salawat on nabi is greater than obligatory salat does not in any way means abandoning obligatory practices. So Alfa Saheed Shittu, mister loud mouth needs to zip it

iamgenius:
May Allah bless you. An innovator will always find something to support his innovations. Their wrong analogy shows how dull their brain is.

Listen, this thread is for educational purposes. Aimmah had differences but they never go about throwing insults at each other, nor called each others innovators. So if you have no meaningful contribution, kindly excuse us Evidences exist from both sides. Stop your dogmatism crap

sino:
Brother, I am sure of the verse I quoted, and I know that it is about Prophet Isa (AS), for there is a similar information in an authentic narration which shows the fact that the Prophet (SAW) does not know what you all are doing after his demise.

From Sahih Bukhari

Volume 8, Book 76, Number 533:

Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: The Prophet stood up among us and addressed (saying) “You will be gathered, barefooted, Unclad, and uncircumcised (as Allah said): ‘As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it.’ (21.104) And the first human being to be dressed on the Day of Resurrection will be (the Prophet) Ibrahim Al-Khalil.
Then will be brought some men of my community who will be taken towards the left (i.e., to the Fire), and I will say: ‘O Lord! My companions whereupon Allah will say: You do not know what they did after you left them. I will then say as the pious slave, ‘Isa (Jesus) said, “And I was witness over them while I dwelt amongst them………. (up to) …the All-Wise.” (5.117-118).

The narrator added: Then it will be said that those people (relegated from Islam, that is) kept on turning on their heels (deserted Islam).

This is the words of the Prophet (SAW) himself, and nowhere did he command that you come visit his grave for your needs, rather what we have on record is about his strict warning not to take his grave as a place of festivity or worship! Except you can fault this narration, and by extension, explain the Qur'anic verse, then I see no substantive evidence for your claims.

For your information, everyone would come back to "life" after death, or what did all the questioning in the grave is all about?! And yes, the dead can hear and there is a limit to that too, not to mention that the Prophet (SAW) had given us the proper thing to do at the graves when we visit, he didn't inform us to seek forgiveness when we come to his grave, did you all think that the sahabas never read the verse (4:64), that they wouldn't have besieged the Prophet's grave every night and day?! Or they had no need to seek forgiveness?!

And with regards to the benefit of the Prophet dead or alive, that is already established, we send salams to him and Allah (SWT) rewards us in manifold, it has nothing to do with seeking for our needs from Allah (SWT), it is better we follow his teachings so as to get our needs fulfilled by Allah (SWT)!

First all, it seems we are talking about istighatha here. The verse with respect to that will continue to function till Qiyamah. As for going to the graves and beseeching the prophet or awliya Allah, this can be done with or without going there in the first place. And there seems to be slight difference btw istighatha and waseela. These two will function till Qiyamah. Now, i understand sending salaam on the prophet. No muslim worship the prophet at his grave. If nabi said his grave would not be center of worship, it is exactly that. Today, people troop his grave and beseech Allah for help through him. This is what Albaqir is saying. So my question is, if nabi said his grave would not be center of worship, are those people who beseech Allah at his grave worship the prophet?. That would be counterproductive.

Furthermore, even whenever muslims (sufi in particular) send salaam on the prophet outside of obligatory salat like group dhikr, tazkiyah, zawiya etc, some muslims still criticize them. So at what point is salaam on the prophet (saw) that does not conform with their ideology is agreed upon?. They criticize going to his grave. They criticize sending salaam on him(saw) that is different from their way. They criticize all salawat except solati Ibrahimiyah. So what is left exactly?

Also, if travelling from Makkah to Medina to visit his grave which is miles apart, then, that's TRAVELLING. This refutes the guy's claim that we can not travel for ziyara to his grave. Thats exactly what hujjaj do unless you can establish evidence from nabi himself that visit to his grave is part and obligatory act of Haj. I will like to have that proof please.

We are not supposed to worship at the grave. Ziyara to the grave as define by nabi(saw) himself is in itself not act of worship but act of reflection. And this practice existed pre-islamic era. There is difference btw saying "Ya Allah, bless me with righteous child by the virtue of your prophet muhammad" and "Ya rosulallah, bless me a with righteous child. The former is directly seeking help from Allah through his noble prophet(saw). This is tawassul(waseela) and sahaba did this at his grave. According to our salafi brothers, 'follow the sunnah and sunnah of khulafa rashideen". Hence, khulafa did this practice. This is sahih. So seeking help really is not act of worship even if done at the grave. It only becomes act of worship if, only if worshiper believes in his heart that the one in the grave has power to provide independent of Allah. This is a matter of aqeedah in the heart really. So the former is allowed but the later amounts to shirk. We can not accuse fellow muslim of mushrik unless otherwise stated. Even from the explanation of sheikh Ibn Uthaymeen(ra) shows grave visit is not essentially act of worship. He emphasized intention in his comment on this.

Lastly, as for the prophet not knowing what's going on after him, that seems to be apparent contradiction but in reality it is not. "my life is good for you, my death is good for you" . This is in two parts. The first part is about the status and meaning of the first hadith. The second part reconciles the apparent contradiction with the second hadith by contextualizing the latter through its variant wordings.


The Prophet said, upon him blessings and peace: “My life is an immense good for you: you bring up new matters and new matters are brought up for you. My death, also, is an immense good for you: your actions will be shown to me; if I see goodness I shall praise Allâh and if I see evil I shall ask forgiveness of Him for you.” (H.ayâtî khayrun lakum tuh.dithûna wa yuh.dathu lakum wa-wafâtî khayrun lakum tu`rad.u a`mâlukum `alayya famâ ra’aytu min khayrin h.amidtu Allâha wa-mâ ra’aytu min sharrin istaghfartu Allâha lakum.)

Narrated from Ibn Mas`ûd by al-Bazzâr in his Musnad (5:308-309 §1925) with a sound chain of trustworthy narrators as stated by:

1. al-Suyût.î in Manâhil al-S.afâ (p. 31 § and al-Khas.â’is. al-Kubrâ (2:281),

2. al-Haythamî in Majma` al-Zawa’id (9:24 §91),

3. al-Zarqânî in Sharh. al-Muwat.t.a’ (1:97) and his commentary on al-Qast.allânî’s Mawâhib al-Lâduniyya.

“The hadîth means that the Prophet upon him blessings and peace, is a great good for his Community during his life, because Allâh the Exalted has preserved the Community, through the secret of the Prophet’s presence, upon him blessings and peace, from misguidance, confusion, and disagreement, and He has guided the people through the Prophet upon him blessings and peace, to the manifest truth; and that after Allâh took back the Prophet upon him blessings and peace, our connection to the latter’s goodness continues uncut and the extension of his goodness endures, overshadowing us. The deeds of the Community are shown to him every day, and he glorifies Allâh for the goodness that he finds, while he asks for His forgiveness for the small sins, and the alleviation of His punishment for the grave ones: and this is a tremendous good for us. There is therefore ‘goodness for the Community in his life, and in his death, goodness for the Community.’ Moreover, as has been established in the h.adîth, the Prophet upon him blessings and peace, is alive in his grave with a special ‘isthmus-life’ stronger than the lives of the martyrs which the Qur’ân spoke of in more than one verse. The nature of these two kinds of life cannot be known except by their Bestower, the Glorious, the Exalted. He is able to do all things. His showing the Community’s deeds to the Prophet upon him blessings and peace, as an honorific gift for him and his Community is entirely possible rationally and documented in the reports. There is no leeway for its denial; and Allâh guides to His light whomever He pleases; and Allâh knows best.”

But if you ask for my personal opinion or what i do basically in regard to this?. I will tell you i do nothing beyond sending salaam on the prophet in any manner deem fit. I also beseech Allah's help through his nabi like saying "ola anobi" for instance. That's all. I dont do crazy this at the graves. I am yet to visit one actually. I am hoping to do that in sha Allah. However, as portray in yoruba movies where woman goes to the grave of her husband and say things like '(my husband) look down on us and your children. protect us, let us live good life bla bla bla". This is out of it. A muslim should desist from this. This is what mushrikun of makkah did. They believe whatever is in the grave is capable of doing things without Allah's permission. This is not waseela.

koladebrainiac:
my mum lives few kilometer away from that place

You just exposed your mummy to possible arrest. You are saying she's a culprit

Read this guy said

GerryMandering:
Arrest all those living near there... They all kept shut about it all this while

sino:
The story Albaqir quoted is not evidence, it is unsubstantiated and at best, it is just a story, it can never stand as an evidence in issues of the shari'ah. I will quote the Qur'an, then I would want you to tell me what it means...

"I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness." (Q 5:117)

I believe you are referencing another verse entirely. The ayah he quoted was specific to nabi Muhammad ibn Abdullah (saw). We aren't using shariah of Isa in Maryam (as) now, abi?. . I'm I right?

AlBaqir:
# Really that's the best word to use - lopsided argument. Twisting a clear hadith to justify wahabi ideology.

Till now, wahabi brain simply can't get it that there is no difference between Muhammad being alive and the "dead" Muhammad. You visit his grave is synonymous to visiting him while alive. You send salam to him saying "as-Salam alayka ya Rasulullah", and he reply you. You ask him to request for you from Allah. This was repeatedly practised by the sahabah, Tabi'ieen et al after the demise of Nabi; and early Sunni Ulama understood this clearly without ambiguity (until the emergence of the wahabi cult). Interestingly, those with right sense to this Ziyarat to Prophet's Qabr used to cite this timeless ayah:

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 64:

"And We did not send any apostle but that he should be obeyed by Allah's permission; and had they, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Apostle had (also) asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful."

* In the tafsir of the above ayah, Ibn Kathir documents:

Jama'at (Many scholars) have stated this tradition. One of them is Abu Mansur al-Sabbagh who writes in his book Al-Shamil Al-Hikayat-ul-mashhurah that, according to ‘Utbi, once he was sitting beside the Prophet’s grave when a bedouin came and he said, “Peace be on you,
O Allah’s Messenger. I have heard that Allah
says: ‘(O beloved!) And if they had come to you, when they had wronged their souls, and asked forgiveness of Allah, and the Messenger also had asked forgiveness for them, they (on the basis of this means and intercession) would have surely found Allah the Granter of repentance, extremely Merciful.’

I have come to you, asking forgiveness for my sins and I make you as my intermediary before my Lord and I have come to you for this purpose.”

Then he recited these verses: “O, the most exalted among the buried people who improved the worth of the plains and the hillocks! May I sacrifice my life for this grave which is made radiant by you, (the Prophet,) the one who is (an embodiment) of mercy and forgiveness.”

Then the bedouin went away and I fell asleep. In my dream I saw the Holy Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him). He said to me: O ‘Utbi, the bedouin is right, go and give him the good news that Allah has forgiven his sins."

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=327&idto=327&bk_no=49&ID=333


# In short, a person that failed to agree one can do Ziyarat of Nabi at anytime, how will he agree the Ziyarat of other than Nabi?!

What a sick head!

Sheikh Rabiu Adebayo quoted this ayah severally in a lecture explaining the ayah just as you did. Said they simply bilittled nabi(saw).

That's the problem they have. Another hadith clearly says “My life is better for you and my death is better for you . . .” . I guess they would say it is daif. If Quran acknowledges shuhada aren't dead but alive, are shuhada greater and better than the prophet(saw).

Josephjnr:
I can't just imagine life without science. I'm happy and grateful to be born in the age of science.

Every Age had solution to their problems. I am sure diseases worst than this happened in medieval time and they resolved it with what they had available to them.

Rashduct4luv:
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You talk about the Sahabahs as if you even have an atom of love for them. Anyways hear is my final submission on this matter!
Mr. Shia-Brain and Suffy Empi.ree.
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It is not permissible to travel with the intention of visiting the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or the grave of any other person, according to the more correct of the two scholarly opinions, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“No one should travel for the purpose of visiting (any mosque) except three: al-Masjid al-Haraam (in Makkah), this mosque of mine (in Madeenah) and al-Masjid al-Aqsaa (in al-Quds/Jerusalem).” Agreed upon).
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It is prescribed for the one who wants to visit the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and who lives far from Madeenah to have the intention of travelling to visit al-Masjid al-Nabawi; that will include by implication visiting the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), the graves of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, and the graves of the martyrs and people of al-Baqee’.
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If he has the intention of visiting both (the mosque and the grave), this is permissible, because things may be permissible as part of something else which are not permissible on their own. But having the intention only to visit the grave and travelling for that purpose is not permissible. Intending to visit the grave only is not permissible if it involves travelling. But if a person lives close by and does not need to travel, and his going to the grave is not regarded as “travel” or a “journey”, then it is OK, because visiting the grave of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the graves of his two companions without having to travel is Sunnah and is an act of worship. The same applies to visiting the graves of the martyrs and of the people of al-Baqee’. Similarly, visiting the graves of Muslims in all places is Sunnah and is an act of worship, but without travelling for that purpose, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Visit graves, for they will remind you of the Hereafter.” (Narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh ).
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The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to teach his Sahaabah, when they visited graves, to say, “ Al-salaamu ‘alaykum ahl al-diyaar min al-mu’mineen wa’l-Muslimeen, wa innaa in shaa’ Allaah bikum laahiqoon, nas’al Allaaha lana wa lakum al-‘aafiyah (Peace be upon you, O believing and Muslim dwellers of this place. We will join you soon, if Allaah wills. We ask Allaah to keep us and you safe).” (Narrated by Muslim in his
Saheeh ).
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Odigba o!

Sorry akhi for this winded lopsided argument. What i am looking for is "Qola rosul" where he(saw) specifically haram muslims from travelling SOLELY to visit his grave, that of his companions and fellow muslims. I get what you are saying but kindly provide proof(s). What you posted is opinion of certain people. This is why, in your earliest post, Sheikh Taymiyyah said 'opinions vary' on travelling with intention to visit grave of the prophet. I am yet to see dalil that prohibits that. The hadith you cited only mentioned masajid.

AlBaqir:
# During hajj, the hujjaj travel from Makkah to Madina to do Ziyarat to the holy grave of Nabi. And never forget, Abubakar and Umar's graves are very near to Rasul's.

^^^

Hujjaj travelled from Makkah to Medina. Driving distance from Medina to Mecca is 439 kilometers (273 miles). They travel for the PURPOSE and INTENTION ONLY to visit grave of nabi(saw) You can not call fellow muslims 'misguided' if they do this so long as you can not provide evidence to prove them wrong. By your logic, only residents of Yathrib should visit the grave, not hujjaj from Makkah.

Ko di gba kan kan

AlBaqir:
# What do you expect from wahabi brain? Don't you know "masjid" is "grave" in their dictionary ni

Now in light of the above hadith, see his flaws:



# If visitation (Ziyarat) to Graves is permitted, how come travelling to do Ziyarat to a grave forbidden?!

Is Ziyarat to Qabr only restricted to inhabitants of a particular city and that people of another city cannot travel to do Ziyarat to a particular Qabr?

# During hajj, the hujjaj travel from Makkah to Madina to do Ziyarat to the holy grave of Nabi. And never forget, Abubakar and Umar's graves are very near to Rasul's.

Hujjaj from different part of the world do Ziyarat to Jannatil Baqi where Sahabah and Aimmah were buried.

He will be back here to twist. He probably thought "travel" means not to travel anywhere for religious reason except those 3 masajid. I can see that where he was trying hard to lump them together. His explanation when he returns will have no "kola rosul" in it. Watchout

AlBaqir:
Imam Muslim documents:

Ibn Buraida reported on the authority of his father that the Messenger of Allah (s) said:

I forbade you to visit graves, but you may now visit (ZIYARAT) them; I forbade you to eat the flesh of sacrificial animals after three days, but you way now keep it as along as you feel inclined; and I forbade you nabidh except in a water-skin, you may drink it from all kinds of water-skins, but you must not drink anything intoxicating.

Reference : Sahih Muslim 977 a
In-book reference : Book 11, Hadith 136
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 4, Hadith 2131
https://sunnah.com/muslim/11/136

You dey mind Rashduct4luv. Hadith he quoted has nothing to o with ziyara to graves. Hadith only mentioned masajid. How's that translate to al-maqabir (s, qabr)

On my Facebook page, I shared the picture of some Ugandans celebrating palm Sunday. They (all blacks) gathered around a white individual on a Donkey which is to say he's playing the role of Jesus.

It is pathetic and sad that people are perishing because they lack knowledge. Had they read the book, "from Babylon to Timbuktu", they would know that a white guy is not needed to play the role of Jesus.

It is also saddening that many of these Christians today are quick to call Muslims terrorists especially when he wears the Jalab with turban and of course, grows the beards. Of the men and women gathered around the white Jesus, none of them looked like Jesus in appearance and Jesus himself did not look like a Christian.

If Jesus comes to this world appearing like that man playing his role, Christians would call him terrorist, retard etc before they know that it is their "Lord and personal Saviour" that never was.

Though we cannot find any original picture of Jesus, if we judge by the pictures we see in churches, movies, bus-stops etc, then Christians do not look like Jesus and Jesus did not look like a Christian. Check out these facts!


- You cannot present a beardlesss Jesus

- No picture has ever shown the hair of Mary

- Judging by pictures from the churches, Muslims look like Jesus and vice versa. Same cannot be said of Christians.

- If Mary was not covered or dressed indecently, Jesus might not be called the son of Mary.

- One would think that Christian women will emulate Mary and Christian men will grow beards like this, ironically, these are what they despise most about Muslim men and women.


Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Rilwayne001:
I'm fine, thank you sir

Much fun ke? Nothing fun here o. Stress, sleepless nights, very long semester that has refused to end, that's all that's here o. But alhamdulillah, we are coping.

lol.. nothing's funny in higher institution but stress and "face your studies"

Rilwayne001:
Salaam Alaikum brother. I hope you're doing fine?

Alhamdululah, I'm okay. How about yourself?. I hope you are having much fun in school

Confused people


On my Facebook page, I shared the picture of some Ugandans celebrating palm Sunday. They (all blacks) gathered around a white individual on a Donkey which is to say he's playing the role of Jesus.

It is pathetic and sad that people are perishing because they lack knowledge. Had they read the book, "from Babylon to Timbuktu", they would know that a white guy is not needed to play the role of Jesus.

It is also saddening that many of these Christians today are quick to call Muslims terrorists especially when he wears the Jalab with turban and of course, grows the beards. Of the men and women gathered around the white Jesus, none of them looked like Jesus in appearance and Jesus himself did not look like a Christian.

If Jesus comes to this world appearing like that man playing his role, Christians would call him terrorist, retard etc before they know that it is their "Lord and personal Saviour" that never was.

Though we cannot find any original picture of Jesus, if we judge by the pictures we see in churches, movies, bus-stops etc, then Christians do not look like Jesus and Jesus did not look like a Christian. Check out these facts!


- You cannot present a beardlesss Jesus

- No picture has ever shown the hair of Mary

- Judging by pictures from the churches, Muslims look like Jesus and vice versa. Same cannot be said of Christians.

- If Mary was not covered or dressed indecently, Jesus might not be called the son of Mary.

- One would think that Christian women will emulate Mary and Christian men will grow beards like this, ironically, these are what they despise most about Muslim men and women.


Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Any muslim group that affiliate with the Brits gets corrupted. And every sect or almost every moajor sect and subs are guilty of this. They all have role to play in favor of their white masters.

Example

Ahmadiyya, this is very clear.

Wahabi/salafi sect, very clear as well

Sufi, not too clear but are used by the Brits to settle the dust created by them

Shi'a not too clear but now we see these mad men being used to say crap.


Doesn't mean everyone affiliated with these sects is guilty of this. There are groups under each of the above mentioned sects that defile their authority. These groups also praise Queen of England one way or the other. Ahmadiyyah did, egyptian sufi just did by trying hard to justice Queen's descendant claim and praised her. Same with Saudi wahabi group. Now these shi'a or so called shia are their next victims.

iamgenius:
If you can bring a Hadith or sayings of the Sahaabahs or Taabi' or those that follow them supporting Waseelah through the dead,i will appreciate.

Laakaye yin yen maa baje lonii InshaAllah.

Lol, you just made mistake by saying this. He is going to bring this up. You know there are ahadith for this unless you will claim they are daif when he brings them up

Demmzy15:
We all know who Muhammad Iqbal was, he didn't sanction the forcefull conversion and killing of Sunnis. The man you call "Allamah" did that, so dont bring in any bogus analogy.

Can u quote where and who i called Allama?. I dont recall that

Rashduct4luv:
Visiting graves to pray for the dead Muslims is Sunnah (and an act of worship) and it can be kufr depending on what is done there and the intention! OP doesn't need to mention what they do there! We know their beliefs about their imams and we know what they do there at their graves! So if you don't know it's better you keep mute. But i think as far as graves are concerned you Sufees and them Shiites are similar in that regards... And i don't know why you always save the images of the evils(or seemingly evil deeds) of the Saudi princes/Scholars! They are not the books we follow!

That's the problem, GENERALIZATION and ASSUMPTION which sinful to certain degree.


Allah the Most High said: “O you who believe, avoid suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin.”


When did you become overseer or reader of intention to know "what they do there"?. I guess you can say the same when you see people gather around prophet's grave in Medina as well and then conclude they are doing shirk.

This is what screenshot i posted earlier that was criticized by demmy was saying and it was right. You proved it right.

Allaahu Musta'aan

Demmzy15:
....

This is interesting to watch and enlighten yourselves (you and others). It is 29 minutes long but dont tell me you have no data. http://www.shiatv.net/video/2051387797

Demmzy15:
It's now becoming apparent what you becoming nowadays, you obviously don't know the difference between visiting the grave and polytheistic attitudes of shi'as and sufis during the so-called ziyarah. Take a look at the screenshot you provided, does that show any objectivity from your end?

I want you to show us a scanned copy of Sheikh Muhammad ibn AbdulWahhab's book that stated visiting a grave turns you into a polythiest, as I said earlier, whenever you become fully blown rafidhi holla us because I can already see you romancing their scholars by call them "Allamah". This so-called "Allamah" was who under his nose thousands of Sunnis in Iran and Azerbaijan were forcefully killed/maimed/converted into Shiism under Shah Ismail and now he's your fountain of knowledge.

And please whenever you want to prove a point to me, don't refer me to a shi'a site because I won't take you seriously.

the only thing I sensed before posting attachment was you most likely would accused me bcuz of wahabi mentioned in the article. That's why I did screen shot instead of copy paste.

As for him accusing ziyara for being polytheistic action, I do not believe he said that. However he was skeptical. But the fact his many of you have accused people here of shirk when you see Muslims at standing at graves. This is fact you can't deny.

As for for addressing a scholar "Allama", I have used the title to address Allama Muhammad iqbal(ra) several times. So I don't understand what's the problem with title. Everything else you said, I don't know what's that gotta do with me. Again, it is you folks that are insecure because of your suspicions