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Rashduct4luv:
Why would I agree to a confirmed liar?

And who "confirmed" that?. You realize he did not bring that up on his own but something established by some scholars as well?. You gonna have to read your Sheikh Albani (ra) more on this. So why is he a liar?.

AlBaq.ir:
# Anyway, we are not really discussing whether all ahadith in Bukhari are 100% sahih. We are taking the jugular itself - Imam Bukhari was not the author of the popular Sahih we have today. That is what the OP has proven.

Broda Rasheedi (Rashduct4luv), Mr tajweed, do you agree with the above? ^^^

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Rashduct4luv:
Oga Soofee! Stop the lie I never claim any book apart from the Qur'an can be 100% correct! And if a large container of water contains negligible impurity it's still pure. After the Qur'an, the next authentic book on earth is sahih bukhari! I never said it's 100% faultless and my name is Rasheed with the correct tajweed. Nothing concern me with Habib or whatever, he a well known hater of sunnah! Someone who is only basking in the glory Allah gave his father.

Are you done?

JimaeChinko:
My Point is that he was nothing but a Perverted Fraud who capitalised on the inferiority of the Arabs to the Jews to create a Satanic movement that Contnuesto this day.


Do you have a problem with that?

if you are a Nigerian or whichever country you from, i am sure there are lots of perverts you need to worry about than over a thousand year old prophet (saw). You have lots of problems in your country than to worry about him.

Your country is plagued by fraud, violence, ritualists, rapists, theives, murderers, baddos, cultis, looters, liars and the list goes on.

Did this prophet cause that too?.

I don't understand why Mr Rashid a k a Rashduct4luv always concluded that empiree, "a suffy" is trying to put down deen of Allah and hate sahaba. You seriously need to work on your comprehension problem.

Before you criticize me you need to first listen to sheikh Albany. Hear what he had to say about sahih bukhari NOT Imam bukhari (ra). You keep portraying sahih book as if it is error free. This is what I'm personally trying to get you to understand that there is no book on earth free of errors besides Quran Kareem.

Sheik Albani said, a Muslim should always have in mind that anytime he reads any book other than Quran, it must contain errors. You will be making huge mistake if you think sahih bukhari is 100% authentic. This is already proven here when you guys can not defend some of those ahadith and you literally stepped off.


If sahih bukhari is 100% authentic, why would Albani, a 20th century scholar faulted the book over a thousand years later?. Aren't scholars greater than him existed before him?. Who gave him authority to fault sahih book narrations?. If he had been suffy, many of you guys would never accept his work.

Sheikh Adam said the same thing that there are some text in sahih bukhari that can not be modified, hence they should be discarded. This is honest criticism. Let me remind you that it is actually majority Sufis that put Hadith together . That's why you see them today usually narrate ahadith off hand. They know because many of the Sunnah practices are also recorded in other books like old book called "ashimówi" it is a tira I read growing up that contained ahadith. Again, Mr. Rashidi, you need to admit honest criticism of sahih books that you hold extremely important. If you want, I can send you video of Sheikh Albani on this issue.


As for sheikh Habeeb, he too fairly criticized it but he as well made mistakes. He got some wrong and some right. I disagree with him on some of his understanding of the hadith texts that salat fajr is four. He goofed. Sheik Eleha corrected that. But then, Eleha also goofed for defending ahadith that are clearly senseless like passing in front of praying person. Sheik habibu trashed that. Both sides fall short of doing what I called "system of meaning" which means not taking Hadith or verse of Quran in isolation. That's very dangerous thing to do.

Some sufis don't really need sahih Hadith. They have it in their brains. Only when they want to cross reference they bring out the books. See what Albani said?. This is why you see mistakes in for instance Shia books, tijjaniya books and then you guys want to use that against them. That's pathetic

That's why you see edition sometimes. Same happened to Sheikh Imran Hussein after he published JERUSALEM IN QUR'AN. He reprinted a new edition.

Allah made it this way to make Quran stands out. So sahih books would definitely contain errors even though imam bukhari made wudhu and good intention.

JimaeChinko:
How can Muslims claim to believe in all the Prophets when all the others were JEWS and one different demon possessed Arab came along tagging his name to say the Prophetship line ended with him. Even the Jews knew he was a Mad possessed man who invented this stuff.

your point is.......?

AlBaqir:
# If there is any book in Sunni world worthy of being Sahih, it is al-Muwatta of Imam Malik. This is because Imam Malik was a Tabi'i who saw and reported most of his reports from the sahabah.

this is so true. Muwatta of Imam Malik is like going extinct. Used to be very common when i was going up.

proudkafir:
Don't mind my moniker, pay attention to my message. Sahih Bukhari's hadith is the most authentic religious instrument, in Islam, after the Quran, at least among the Sunnis (90% of Muslims worldwide). Most Islamic beliefs and practices are found in the hadith. The shia may not accept Bukhari's hadith, this doesn't make it less important to the Muslim ummah.

Remove the hadith, the Quran will make no sense.

Allah knows the best.

we know the antics of kafir like you. What do you know?. You wanna teach us our religion?. You have a long way to go, buddy

Evidence of abundance dhikr, loud, in gathering etc from AUTHENTIC TAUHEED and Alhlusunnah hanafi sufi

http://www.authentictauheed.com/2013/07/the-virtues-of-dhikr.html?m=1


http://www.ahlus-sunna.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=88&Itemid=54


At end of the day, this salafi website recognized many ahadith quoted by hanafi to be correct.

Hijra


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipOcfw_hF2o

Another whopping evidence. Remember Musaylma?.

I don't think demmy's scholars told him the truth

Another clear evidence. I remembered Demmy once argued about "relics of nabi" on display in Turkey I think and his "footprints" attributed to him in another country. We countered that thread remember?. That nabi never stepped his foot outside of Arabia.

Here is another Hadith that he (saw) went to najd. Is this "najd" in Iraq?.

Demmzy15:
Najd is Iraaq, and there are many proofs of how the Sahabah, tabi'i, scholars, historians and geographers understood it to be Iraaq. I seriously don't know why the people of Najd, Saudi Arabia who are mostly Banu Tameem are giving you nightmare

no they are not giving me nightmares. I'm just wondering why salafi scholars interpreted the hadith to prove their point. I thought they don't do tawil sounds strange to me.

Some analysis in PDF file. I got more

proudkafir:
I said 'many' narrations are duplicated from sirah rasool Allah and not 'most'. The sirah came before before the hadith.

As i said earlier, most Islamic laws are found in the hadith. I know you hold the Qur'an in high esteem, but you need to face the reality.

I forgot to pay attention to your MONIKER

Raintaker:
Don't fall for his antics, he is saying absolute rubbish.

lol

alBHAGDADI:
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We live in a world where 2 + 2 = 5, Just as 1 + 1 +1 = 1
If you are confused �,
Who is god?
Jesus
Is Jesus the son of Mary?
Yes
Who created Mary?
God.
Who is God?
Jesus
Jesus is the begotten son.
Yes
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God.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Jesus is a servant of God?
Yes
Who is God?
Jesus.
Jesus died on the cross?
Yes
Who resurrected him?
God.
Who is God?
Jesus
Jesus is a messenger?
Yes
Who sent him?
God.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Did Jesus worship while on earth? Yes
Whom did he worship?
God.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Did God have a beginning?
No....
Then who was born on 25 DEC?Jesus.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Where's God?
In heaven
How many are there in heaven?Only one God.
Where's Jesus?
He is sitted on the right hand of his father.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Then how many are they in heaven?
Only one God
Then how many seats?
One
Where's Jesus?
Seated next to God.
Then how are they seated?
On one chair
Its only understood by those with the holy spirit.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Haa what a confusion. So beautiful to be a Muslim, Allah (SWT) have mercy on us all and grant us His straight path for us not to go astray

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proudkafir:
If you condemn Sahih Bukhari, will you also condemn sirah rasool allahh by ibn ishaq? Many of ibn ishaq's works are duplicated in the imam Bukhari's hadith. Over 80% of Islamic laws and jurisprudence are found inside imam Bukhari's hadith. Without sahih Bukhari, there will be serious void in Islamic theology, VI's a vis the issuance of various fatwas.

No. Just certain narrations. The basic Laws of Islam are mentioned directly in the Quran for common crimes and sins. I hope you had listened to or watched sheikh Albani's (ra) criticisms of sahih bukhari?. He had to weaken some sahih ahadith.

This is similar to what sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory (ra)said, that there are some ahadith that can not be rectified. They are better done away with.

Demmzy15:
I bet you the Sheikh never said that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5HCMP3G9Y

Demmzy15:
Ibn Fudail reported on the authority of his father that he heard Salim b. 'Abdullah b. 'Umar as saying: O people of Iraq, how strange it is that you ask about the minor sins but commit major sins? I heard from my father 'Abdullah b. 'Umar, narrating that he heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying while pointing his hand towards the east: Verily, the turmoil would come from this side, from where appear the horns of Satan and you would strike the necks of one another.
Sahih Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 6943

As for this Hadith you quoted to buttress your point, read this Hadith too and many like it. From this Hadith, is it talking about Iraq?

Demmzy15:
Wetin carry Sheikh Al Albani come here? And does this correlate with the post?

na u started it now.

The pact signed by Saudi is really affecting Muslims today than crazy militants in Iraq. Besides both Saudi and Iraq have many things in common. Great scholars emerged from Iraq as well.

Demmzy15:
Chai!!! There's no evidence whatsoever that the discussion was in Najd, they asked because the Prophet [Sallalahu Alayhi Wa Salam] referred to Syria and Yemen as "our". So in essence Iraaq which was partly under the Sassanids and Romans was included. Look at the major events that has happened which continues to influence us till this day happened mostly in Iraaq.

Ibn Fudail reported on the authority of his father that he heard Salim b. 'Abdullah b. 'Umar as saying: O people of Iraq, how strange it is that you ask about the minor sins but commit major sins? I heard from my father 'Abdullah b. 'Umar, narrating that he heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying while pointing his hand towards the east: Verily, the turmoil would come from this side, from where appear the horns of Satan and you would strike the necks of one another.
Sahih Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 6943

This is a Sahabah and Tabi'i that understood it better than you, you then ignorantly use an event of just 200 years ago to judge a Prophesy of 1400 years.

This is sheik Albani. Even though he stubbornly claimed najd is Iraq, yet he recognized fitna in Iraq to be nothing compared to this

Demmzy15:
But the Prophet [Sallalahu Alayhi Wa Salam] also said "Our Syria" and "Our Yemen" and both lands we aren't under Muslims. In fact Syria was under the grasp of the Romans, so what's the point here?

what are they now?. They are now OURS and he blessed them with his blessed mouth (salallahu alaiywasalam).

And they asked "and our najd" indicating PRESENT LOCATION where dialogue was being conducted not Iraq.

Demmzy15:
So in essence, all but bad comes from Najd? First of all, the discussion I had with you and that AlBaqir is still available and y'all failed to disprove the consensus of the Sahabah and scholars which refers to Najd as Iraaq.

ijma of sahaba and scholars when it was clear the questions and answers took place in Arabia and they asked nabi(saw) "our najd?". What is "Our Najd" in the conversation which took place right there in Arabia known as Saudi today?. Why do you need ijma on that bro?. Your scholarship got k-leg

Lord have mercy. Why are you stretching the scope?. Why are you insecure bro?.

Why did you have to bring iran and Russia into this simple discourse?. We were simply talking about current prince's carelessness

You sha want to drag me into argument, abi?

Demmzy15:
So it's about Najd abi? I thought you and your ilks said it refers to Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdulaziz, now It's Muhammad ibn Salman? I'm confused than ever

Lord have mercy. When are you going to start to understand things, hun?. Did hadith of najd mention specific individual?. Far as i know, Najd is a regional location. Yes, you are not understanding bcuz you are confusing yourself

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Demmzy15:
That's why you resort to lying? What kind of desperation is this?

**spits**

Honestly, i have no time for argument this morning. I simply posted the article. Maybe i should have indicated that. That been said, i already gone through some of his statements for weeks now and today. https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/85t9bt/saudi_crown_prince_mohammed_bin_salman_says_those/#bottom-comments. To be fair, there seemed to be some sort of misleading titles concerning his speeches but this still does not absolve him from recklessness. I do not hate him for any reason and i have no reason to do so. My only concern is, he is still doing the bidding on behalf of his masters in the West just like his predecessors.

But his approach is more reckless. He seems to adhere more to secularism some form or manner. I know at some point people would manipulate some of his statements. Fact remains he is doing the bidding for those people whether he knows that or not. So my position is, dont defend him too much and dont criticize him too much. If you defend him too much he will surprise you eventually. I already seen arrests of his critics at the minbar. I am afraid he is leaning towards other end of extremism. My problem is, if Saudi scholars have done or gave most of their fatawa solely on their understanding alone without govt or foreign influences would have been better. The same influences their kings had on those scholars reflect on this prince too. Dont be surprised if Saudi gives up on Palestine and have their religious scholars to give fatwa that liberation of philitine is not necessary, it shouldn't be difficult for you and me to figure out they are doing the bidding for some people.

Let's keep our eyes out and watch as things unfold. Meanwhile, dont forget the hadith which says, when scums prevail in arabia, we should expect their destruction. I am afraid the scum began long ago and this one is complimenting it. What really bothers me is why many of you pro- saudi backtrack from quoting many of those ahadith?. Najd is one big example. You all prefer to rant on shi'a while those ahadith are glaring at you.

sino:
I don't think mustahab can be used for this practice, since the Prophet (SAW) and the companions never did such.

The danger in this practice especially for the laymen is what we have found in people going overboard. It is wiser and safer to stick with the sunnah. Allahuma ameen to your prayer.

Remember it is the same as saying ola alubarika anobi, ola inna ataina etc. These all refer back to Allah. So waseela in itself is mustahab whether through good deeds or not. Yoruba is a very rich language like Arabic. We have word or phrases that can not be perfectly worded in english or perfectly understood in english without being misunderstood. It makes perfect sense in yoruba language when we say Ola anobi, ola makkah mukarama, ola medinat mnawara, ola sura yasin, ola alubarika baba wa sheikh fulan etc. We understand this without exaggeration. But translation to english becomes problematic to some when we say for instance "through the glory of muhammad". Sounds ridiculous to some.

Again, i repeat, there is no waseela greater than using nabi (alaiy salatu wasalam). There are lots of hypocrisy in 'good deeds' today. The reason ulama use the prophet is by bringing together all his virtues: birth, mujiza, his life etc. We see in many ahadith used by some that some sahaba would seek blessing from nabi's belongings. Some drank from his blood seeking barakat etc. All these and more are what brought about using his personality. He did not have to say that. Matter of fact, when a sahaba drank his blood, it is said that those who drank from his blood (after hijama) would not be in fire of Hell. Unfortunately some disregard this type of ahadith. And also dont forget how Quran and sunnah emphasized "love of nabi". This is also pointing to his personality. In the process, some muslims show extreme love or 'bida love' but i dont really see anything that limits love anyways. Some people have no knowledge but upon hearing nabi's name, they can't help but bust in tears. This alone could win them Janna. Love of the prophet is beyond text. Love of the prophet is doing salatu ala nabi even while you are on top of your wife. It is allowed to use him for as long as we avoid two things: Calling him God or son of God. Anything aside these, no problem. This is what gave birth to solati like fatih etc.

alBHAGDADI:
Those that have read the Bible in its original language have all affirmed that it carries the same meaning as the translated versions.

Em.piree, is this all you can come up with?

Carry the same meaning? Dont let Bible scholars read this post of yours man.