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boringnigerian:
Interesting question.

I don't know a lot about Israel's history (I mean the historic Israel, not the modern one) but one thing I can say is that almost everyone aren't living where they originated from. I mean if everyone had to return to their ancestral land, then the white Americans would have to return to Europe, the African Americans return to Africa, some bits of South America return to Africa and in some cases Europe and white Australians return to Europe. As it stands however, if someone else has laid claim to what was once your piece of land long enough, well, it's now theirs. Best you can do is to come to some sort of agreement with them on how to either live with them or share the land.

Ok, then. When all those people you mentioned return to their places of origin, only then, these israelis may claim the Land again. Meaning, until Red Indians claim back America, until African Americans return to Africa etc. But remember, people also existed before them too on the same Land

Remember also that the people pushing for "jewish state" are White European parading themselves as Jews. Thats', they are European who converted to Judaism but in reality, they have nothing to do with ancient Jews. Don't you think they need to return to EU themselves?

analize701:
[s]Do you know that you the Arab world have rejected a 2 state policy proposed by Israel 5 times? Now, you are not getting a foot space.[/s]

Even if they rejected it 100 times, they had the right to do so. Israel offered none. What israel said was a disarmed palestinian "state" if they are to accept 2 state solution. Israel doesnt want INDEPENDENT palestine. Stop lying. If they wanted Palestinian state, why would Israeli PM and US prez keep saying "Jerusalem is undivided capital of Israel"?. That sounds like they want 2-state solution?.

However, Ranchhoddas already answered this when he said they had the right to resist anything they had to put forward just like Nigeria resisted Brits.

nairanigger:
I'm a Muslim who's being disturbed about some of our doctrines. Muslim is just the right religion

Then you need to start from the start and stop wasting your time on what you comprehend not. Those verses you kept talking about are verses of war. I have debated that with christians here before and the guy had no problem with my argument.

You need to study history surrounding the wars, else you will end up making wrong judgement and or land yourself in another religion only to realize that, that's even worst.

jeruzi:
world of islam, not so. I would have like to see your point of view on the new subject. The very reason why I tried to avoid religion was to avoid the deviation of the thread from the main focus. Now that we are clear on history and religion on this topic, I would like you to create a topic and quote me here, leaving the name of the topic so that I can search for it. I really do not think there is anything new you can tell me about islam that I don't already know. I hope you are open minded for a debate

Unfortunately, you can't talk about Jerusalem without talking about Islam and Judaism in particular. There is no way you can talk about this issue from historical view without talking religion. The guy flawed you on history. Israelis themselves always talk about religion anytime they speak on Jerusalem.

If you watch recent UN vote, when it was Israel's turn, they talked about religion. They always do that. You would hear them say "The God of our fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob gave us the Land" Netanyahu says this all the time.

Sorry, buddy, I am not interested in opening a thread, and I am sorry to tell you that you have no knowledge of islam contrary to what you said up there. If you know everything about islam, you would not even say Abraham was not muslim. That alone failed you. It is not just about "open minded", it is about evidence for Divine Books.

And who told you that you are clear on history and religion on this?. You didnt even respond to Rabbis I posted. Primary reason the Jews want Jerusalem is because of Oil & Gas. There are natural resources underneath Jerusalem, especially around the masjid (mosques and their compound). The resources have always been there from the outstart.

Those people are hypocrites. I knew they would decorate govt offices. Why is there no outcry. This is why no matter how a muslim dislikes hijab, he/she MUST support muslims in cases like this for Allah's sake and His messanger. Some muslims said we shouldn't make big deal out of hijab thing, but you can't always let them have their way. Hijab is not their bigger plan. Their bigger plan is to eradicate islam altogether.

The earlier you cut their wing short the better. I wonder why they aren't shouting secularism now. And i think you guys should post picture of streets, court, govt offices they decorated

nairanigger:
I had to open your link and alhamdullilah, all your quotations were from hadith. I'm not surprised. Islam is not just a religion of war, its of peace and morality too. Get that to your brain bro.

Its not like everything about Islam is war, war and war, other things are there too. Don't be blind with your hatred on Islam. Appreciate Islam at some point biko, its not like Christianity is free from wars and killings too. Stop being a hater.

Where exactly is your stand ?

jeruzi:
To refute your argument about islam being the religion of Abraham. Know this, there was nothing like islam until over 500AD. There was no record of it in any religious book. So Abraham was never a muslim, and thus no condition of being a muslim was attached to possessing the land. If the condition was to be a muslim, then I ask; where the Jews muslims when they inherited the land? If you say yes, then why is the pattern of their worship differnt from the muslims, and it's recorded in the Tenakh, and mohamed never learnt islam from them? If you say no; how then did they possess the land, not being muslims? The backing of the UN is not corruption. Is the coalition of islamic countries bribe. It's friendly vote.

Now you are talking. Welcome to the world of KNOWLEDGE. Welcome to the World of Islam. Are you ready to learn or you want to continue "bragado"?.

If you humble yourself and ready to learn, only then you will be able to understand verses i quoted earlier. In fact, i like the fact that you raised this questions now, especially when you asked 'why is their (jews) mode of worship different from muslims'. Your reply to this will determine if i have to go ahead or not.

jeruzi:
looking at Gen 13:15 God said to Abraham; For all the land that you see I give to you and your descendants FOREVER. Not a moment, forever. we both know that Abraham sent Hagai and Ishmael away, and that Isaac inherited all Abraham had. Isaac past the inheritance to Jacob(Israel) the father of the Israelites, who then passed it to them. away. The covenant was forever. So we know Ishmael does not have a part in it. Also, God never said anywhere in the scripture that another people will inherit the land, that we should now assume it was the muslim He referred to like you quoted. You argument is faulty, you claimed that the portion of the scripture in the old testament that does not suit you has been edited. why should you claim a book that has been existing for year before islam was falsified. The original copies still exist. Again, while will the muslim inherit it forever no matter what; I thought you said there were condition for everyone to possess the land?

The verse addresses Abraham and Abraham from Ur. And Abraham was muslim not Jew

Qur'an speaks


Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists. Q3:67


Talking about descendants, QUran emphasized RIGHTEOUS CONDUCT as a condition to descendants of Abraham who are righteous. If you re not righteous and belief in God, you are exempted.


Quran speaks again


(Q2:124) Recall when Abraham’s Lord tested him in certain matters and when he successfully stood the test, He said: “Indeed I am going to appoint you a leader of all people.” When Abraham asked: “And is this covenant also for my descendants?” the Lord responded: “My covenant does not embrace the wrong-doers.”


Part of their wrong doers before and today is bribing UN and world powers to rule in their favor. And your other post where you did not quote me properly, i read where you said "how can the land be for muslim no matter what" while others are given conditions?".

You don't seem to get that. Condition is intact. Conditions are to be muslims and be righteous in conduct. If Arabs fail to be muslim today, they lose the right to the Holy Land. Get that?. So again, why did you quote the part where it says the land was their forever in Genesis while you ignored where they were banned from the Land?. Attachment proves they must uphold the conditions(covenants) to be rightful owner of the Land. Those who hold on to that covenants are muslim (Palestinians in the region). Do you know better than Rabbi Weiss?

author=jeruzi post=63599172

You need to quote and write legibly. I can't correctly address you the way you quoted me. Try again so that i can reply accordingly. Thanks

And your point is. ....?

Boy, drop that weed, go outside and play ludo with kids
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This subject is too stressful for you.

jeruzi:
I actually went through your post and didn't want to use more of religious books and quotes than the hisotry we can all relate to. But since you want us to quote, it's ok.

religion actually precedes history. And israel always brings up religion into this anytime it makes reference to Jerusalem. They were banned by God to never return to reclaim the land as their own, until Gog and Magog are let loose from their barrier. So it's Gog and Magog behind their recent claim of to Jerusalem.

jeruzi:
It is funny how you see this thing. Take a look at the region since Israel was displaced from that land, had there been any sovereign nation there.

who displaced them?

This is not religion now, this is history. What you are now referring to as the palestina state, who was there president before the state of Israel was formed?

what does this prove?. At some point, Nigeria was stateless before the British. Bottomline is, they lived in peace before EU gave the land to the jews

they where not a nation, but different people came in and settle in the region both arabs and others. Israelis were not new there, they had remnant, others came back to join and they decided to establish a government, then fight broke out. Why?

don't you get it?. Those jews lived amongst Arabs. They never made effort to have state either. It was EU who converted to Judaism but have nothing to do with ancient jews that were actually interested in "Jewish State". That's why ancient Jews resist them. Jews were banned from the land some over 2000yrs ago. They can come there as tourists. They may live their amongst the people but they can no longer claim the land as their own.

Quran directly testifies to this. Let's assume Jews decided to make it a state, question is, were they the only ones living there?. The deed of the Land for them had been terminated. If you want to claim ramnant as evidence of their rightfully owner, this is like saying you have the right to your previous address just bcuz post office still send your mails there randomly. This is not evidence of ownership. You have left the house and someelse had taken over. That's the point. If they wanted to retain ownership, they would have behave themselves. So where do you want Palestinians to go if Israel takes over Jerusalem?

Ranchhoddas:
The land purchases were not done in good faith. Taking over was their goal from the start. Most of the landowners were poor peasants who needed the money and wealthy non-Palestinian Arabs who did not care.
There were a series of Palestinian uprisings to halt those purchases but they were largely unsuccessful due to external interference.

Economic oppression is also oppression.

You mind him. The issue may be discussed and understood from two perspectives: religious and political

UN (league of nations) and Britain were culprits through their Balfour Declaration. When Israel realizes it standpoint from political perspective is largely reviled, it retorted to religious sentiment like Israeli rep did at the UN vote recently, and also Netanyahu. I am more inclined to denounce israel from religious standpoint since they want to be cunning. Israel is not interested in Two-State Solution

jeruzi:
now you agree that the Jews where still there, and yet you claim it belong to the Arabs who now call themselves palestine. The strength of Israel by population was not enough to fill their land. when other came back, should they not takeover their land that they never totally left from the arabs who came in with time.

sir, are you being hypocritical or what?. Why did you ignore everything i have been saying?. Why did you ignore when i said people lived their even before them?. Why did you ignore religious ruling i quoted from Bible?. Why did you ignore those videos of Jewish rabbis?. Why did you cherry pick what suits you?.

Now answer this since you claimed they aren't violent. Since those remnants (Jews) who lived amongst Arabs before zionists emerged, they lived in peace with the Arabs like cousins. Arabs didnt try to throw them into the ocean according to media propaganda. So why do they now caused trouble and violence in the region?. Read btw the lines. If you don't understand everything i have been saying, kindly rewind and re-read. Thanks

jeruzi:
If you study from the genesis of this new occupation, you would realise that the Jews did not start with violence but with "land purchasing". They bought lands with money. Please study it.Violence came as a counter measure. Also note that their where Jews on that land before the European Jews came in.

see @bold, yes, that was true. Jews could only live among people but they can not have a state. If you watched the second video i posted up there you would see Rabbi said the same thing. Jews were living in the Holy Land before EU came but they lived amongst the Arabs in peace until zionist Jews kicked start the idea of "Jewish State". Thats when problem came

jeruzi:
It is a well know truth written in the Holy Bible which holds so much of Israel's history, and the quran also has it written in it that it was given to them by God. It is not new of men to alway want to connect back to their origin. They possessed it by war, conquering the original inhabitant. Is it now bad for them to return and settle in peace?

Sorry, buddy. Quran does not deny God gave Israelites Holy Land but on two CONDITIONS which they violated. That was the reason they were kicked out from the Land the first and second time.

But if you look in their Bible today, they changed the word that they do not have to be righteous in conduct to possess the Land.


◄ Deuteronomy 9:5-6 ►



It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, the LORD your God will drive them out before you, to accomplish what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Understand, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that the LORD your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stiff-necked people.



You dont need degree to figure out this was fabricated. You can see from verse 5 suggesting their were people given the Land before them. Those people too were probably disbelievers and very wicked was the reason God destroyed them and brought the Jews to the Land. The Jews also came in and started their wickedness like money changer on interest, killing of prophets and disobeying God. These are in conflict with conditions given them. That's, the conditions to believe in God is One and be righteous in conduct.

Today, have they not being wicked by killing people now?. Do you have eyes to see that or not. Because they violated the conditions was the reason God kicked them out by sending them Babylonian army to destroyed their temple and homes and kill their people. and they were exiled. After yrs in exile, God pardoned them and brought them back t the Holy Land with same conditions. They violated the conditions again when they killed their prophets and Jesus and defiled God's Laws. God sent to them the second time Roman Army to destroy them and banned them forever from ever return to the Holy Land. It is after that God raised the muslim community that they (muslims) will inherit the Land no matter what. However, in order to receive their final punishment for defiling God, God promised to bring them back in the Last Age to the Holy Land from wherever they might scattered in order to inflict on them the worst possible punishment. And He warned again, if you return to your wickedness, God will return their punishment. This is what Quran says at the beginning of chapter 17. Pls go and read it. So now, are they not practicing wickedness and evil conducts like homosexual now on the Holy Land?. If you have eyes and cant see, i can't help you. They were not the only people established on the Land before. So the Land no longer belong to them by Divine authority.


Their bringing them back to the Holy Land in the Last Age as said in the Qur'an was entrapment. It doesn't mean they are rightful owner. Some Jewish Rabbis recognized this entrapment. That's why they try to avoid settling their and defiled zionist Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh2mdPbYnZI


Rabbi Dovid Weiss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJlI-xRSVts

Listen to this Rabbi confirmed what Qur'an said. "He said we were exiled by God. We are to live amongst people. We do not want a Jewish state"

jeruzi:
the intention, and the assumptions are different. The Jews only want to settle back in their original settlement in peace. What you now call persecution is just a resistance against the aggression of the arabs. The so called Arabs never wanted Israel on that land, it was their inbility to jointly flush them out that gave room to their acceptance to acknowledge "the existence of the state of Israel" and then the two state solution. So what you call today aggression, persecution, or evil, is only a reaction to the force applied by the arabs.

Can you tell us how the Holy Land was theirs from the beginning?

They are very stupid. Like Nigeria is only "secular" country?. Nigerian Christians are prejudice, religiously bias and hypocritical.

drakeli:
Even qoran acknowledge it that Jerusalem is the land of Jews. Abi Quran is a liar ni?

I have not even quoted religious books yet. Take it easy. Depending on how you take this, I will start bringing out religious quotes to expose you.

drakeli:
Go back and do your history homework. Who were living in Jerusalem, the city of David before Arab moved in , now calling themselves Palestinians.

Back to your question. Jews were driven out of Jerusalem for revolting against the Romans. They sought refuge in Europe and North African. After the fall of Roman Empire, Jerusalem fell in the hand of Muslims led by Saladin and was occupied by Arabs. Note that throughout these time, there was nothing like Palestinians. They were Arabs from Arab countries. The name Palestinian is a political creation by Arabs to fight the Jews in their ancestral land. When David, Solomon, Josiah, Saul were king in Jerusalem, where were the Arabs? In fact then, there was no Islam.

Jews have taken back what belonged to them thousands of years before Islam back. If the Arabs calling themselves political Palestinians can’t go back to the country of origin of their ancestors settlers, they should live in peace with the Jews.

lol, I have not even started with you guys. But since you skipped, let me bring you back small. Did the Jews drop from the sky unto the land?. Did you read the bible that there were people also living there and Yahweh ordered them to kill Amalekites and occupied the land. This shows that they had to kill ppl to claim the land too.

O ya, let's keep dragging it

jeruzi:
The region propose was not good enough for settler from Europe, not for the weather but for the inhabitant of that land and the wild animal. It was kenya and they had to reject it. That religous book is the major history book they have.So they are only follow their history and tracing back their root. You asked about where they had lived: study "pogrom" and you will what bedeviled them everwhere they had lived. If you face persecution everywhere and you know your father's hous, won't return?

from their religious book, pls point to me where GOD gave them the land as theirs till ETERNITY?.

Bros, these are Europeans who converted to Judaism. They belong to Poland etc

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true2god:
Bros don't attack me personally, attack my argument. You can prove me wrong.

We won't stop talking about the marriage of Aisha and Mohammed. This ugly behavior of your prophet have set a bad example in the Muslim world whereby countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Sudan have not been able to set a particular age limit for girls to marry. Iran, at a time, approved marriage of a minor as old as 1 till she gets to 9 so that a man, who can can even be as sold as the grandfather, can sleep with her. Saudi Arabia the same. In a sane world that will never happen.

It's unfortunate that whenever your prophet is criticized, you guys will criticise Christian Pastors. The last time I checked there is nothing like the sunnahh of pastor adeboye, sirah rasul Yahweh of Adeboye, or hadith for adeboye, which Christians use in their religion. What the Christian have is the sunnah of Jesus christ, that is the injil. It's unfortunate that you are comparing adeboye with rasul allahh. What a shame!

FYI, I have criticized Pastor Adeboye both on nairaland and off nairaland. I dont subscribe to some of his teachings, and this is not to say I don't respect him as a man of God. I have more respect for Pastor Adeboye than Mohammed. The last time I checked I couldn't see a single person killed because of what Pastor Adeboye did or taught. Thousands all over the world had died because of what Mohammed did or taught (the sunnah of rasul allahh).

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jeruzi:
I will assume that you won't fight for it just like you said. It's getting clearer. So they should lose the land because it's been a long time since their ancestors dwelt their. Hope you know their is a fight also in Asia for an Island that they are both (Japan, Skorea, ) laying claim to; this is all because of ancient histories. Being is not a reason to let go. Where should the large population if Israel live if they let go?

Remember Uganda was also suggested for them to settle before UN, formerly the league of nations and the british decided Palastinian land for them. If they had succeded giving them Uganda, what do you think Ugandans would be doing by now?.

And you said to leave religion aside, do you know that Israel keeps using religion to back up their point?. As someone said earlier, where were they living before they moved to middle east?.

true2god:
The marriage of a 51-year old so-called prophet Mohammed to a 6-year old Aisha will be discussed from generation to generation, as long as Muslims take the Quran and hadith seriously as religious materials that guide the conduct of Muslims. After all, the god of Islam, allahh, called Mohammed a role model and perfect conduct to be emulated by mankind. Why must we forget and never discuss his marriage to baby Aisha?

You said Adepoju Yusuf wanted to ensure that the Simon guy knew what he was saying? What a bull crap! Don't you understand the element of body language in clinical psychology? Didn't you study Adepoju Yusuf's body language and posture after the uncomfortable question? Your attempt at defending your ACADIP guy here is laughable and ridiculous. Your ACADIP man played semantics in a rather foolish way; he was not smart at playing the semantic game. He should get more lessons from Zakir Naik.

As for ACADIP as an organization, it is made up of 99% Yoruba Muslims. Yoruba people by nature are not too aggressive; they don't take Islam/religion as a do or die affair, unlike the Hausas, the fulanis or the Arabs. Yorubas, by nature, can't imagine fighting over religion hence in a single Yoruba family, you see a Muslim, a Christian and people that practise traditional African religion. And they will all get along without any issue, except for the few extremist that might be among them. So the security got nothing to do with ACADIP but the inate nature of Yoruba people which abhor unwanton violence and the fear of death. If ACADIP were to consist of original Muslims, the Arabs or the Fulanis only, thousands would have either killed Christians or lost their own lives in the process.

As i said before, how's Aisha a problem for you. You can be corrected a million times, you already made up your mind. Marriage of Aisha (r) is not central belief if the muslims but historical one. If you want you can discuss it throughout generations. That's your problem. I can guarantee you that eventually your own kind will shut you up.

By the way, did you watch a new video that surfaced today (to my knowledge), I just watched it where your Pastor Adeboye was critically exposed . It is 18 minutes long. What a shame. Go ahead and talk about Aisha all you. want. It doesn't bother us one bit. You are not the first to act like this and definitely not the last.

Saying anything to convince you is a waste of time.

true2god:
Does the concluding part disprove the fact that Mohammed married a girl of 6 when he was 51 and slept with her when she became 9?

It is unfortunate that you keep repeating this like clock. You have been saying this for 3yrs now despite been refuted over and over again. You are incredible

Does it also nullify the fact that the Adepoju Yusuf guy asked for evidence and when evidence was given to him, he tried to dispel it, claiming that the evidence was on a mobile device? If Muslims can claim that they don't accept evidence on a smart phone, why did they accept the Qur'an written on a modern book since the first so-called revelations were never written in any modern book but on camel back, leaves, bones, and some other non-paper materials.

He was simply trying to be sure the guy knows what he was doing, buz it is easy to google stuff on net and attribute it to islam. He wanted to know he was confident of his evidence

You said the guy apologized. This shows that the guy is very wise. He had already made his point, which obviously made the Muslims mob (audience) uncomfortable. And as a security measure, he had to fake apology to inflate the ego of Muslims so that he can go home peacefully. Trust Muslims at your own peril, not even the so-called educated Yoruba Muslim. Muslims world over nearly have the same mentality, especially the religious one, and you can't rule out unnecessary aggression from them, especially when a dirty kafir seems to insult their greatest prophet Mohammed (peace be upon me).

Your opinion. ACADIP was even praised by christian man the way he handles security despite insult passed to him by christian challenger.

*HIJAB SAGA AT THE CALL TO BAR:*

*AN EYE WITNESS ACCOUNT.....*

All through, in my life I have never experienced the kind of hatred and disgust towards a fellow human being as what I saw on 12th December, 2017. I arrived the ICC for the call on time, followed the queue and entered the hall. When the BOB filed in, we all stood up as a sign of respect and followed the instructions as expected of aspirants to the Bar. Every thing was going smoothly until the time a lady approached the podium to receive hand shake and collect her certificates. As she moved down the podium and made to return to her seat, I
noticed Mrs. Mevayen Jemialu, a lecturer at the Nigerian Law School, Abuja campus, walking at a very fast pace towards this lady. Upon reaching the lady, she asked her to remove the hijab and throw it on the floor. Then she stepped on it and kicked it several times while uttering very humiliating words on the lady. As if that was not enough, she asked a guard to stand by the hijab and ensured the lady couldn't pick it.

Few minutes later, Mrs. Jemialu, accompanied by her junior colleague, Mrs. Jennifer Ikwuanusi came to cease her certificates. My seat was
close to the scene so I could see with my eyes. I feel a deep pain in my heart as a human. I couldn't agree within me that the way the lady
was treated is right. I respect Mrs. Jemialu so much, but from that very moment the respect I have for her disappeared. Her action was a
strong indication of unwarranted bias against people of other faiths. In a saner society, people like Mrs. Jemialu should by now be on
suspension. But this is Nigeria anything goes. After the program, the lady went to ask for her certificates. This time, she had lost the
courage to put on the hijab the second time. But something more amazing happened. Mrs. Emetejife Onoriode, attempted to search the
lady. Only God knows her mission. She and her colleagues present at the front side of the podium were accusing the lady of a
premeditated action. It took the intervention of Mr. Samuel Osamolu to allow the sleeping dog lies. At this point I came to the conclusion that
we actually have bias against the Muslims and we are not accommodating. I left the hall to inquire about the lady. It was then I knew we finished together from the same Abuja campus and that she graduated from University of Ilorin. I was therefore not surprised to hear the next day that another female aspirant to the Bar was denied her right to be called to the Nigerian Bar just because of wearing hijab. This is Nigeria's most embarrassing story for the year 2017.


So Another Incident Actually Happened Before Amasa

alBHAGDADI:
Many of those who join Islam often leave the religion when they discover the folly that was used to lure them in.

The trick used by ACADIP in the video will be discovered by those people and it will make them leave.

Of course, we know you msulims will kill them after.

Here, kill yourself.

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enilove:
Why can't you Muslims reason about all these shameful acts of Muhammed ? why?

Apart from marriage to 6 yes old ,
He married his sons wife,
He married the age of his mother
He told his followers to engage in temporary marriage
He used to have sex with all his eleven wives in a day
He had sexual power of 30 men
He expects 72 virgins for his followers
He approved adult breast feeding.
He encouraged rape of women in captivity.

What about this :

Book 008, Number 3371:
Sahih Muslim
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

This is not about argument , pls pray to your creator to inquire if this Islam is a way of salvation. Ignorance is not an excuse to escape eternal damnation.

[/s]Exactly what i just said. You will never be satisfied.

true2god:
This ACADIP guy is not mentally and academically sound. If this is the Islamic heavyweight southwestern Nigerian Muslims got to offer, it is a pure disgrace.

He needs to get more tutorials from Zakir Naik on how to lie and get away with it, especially among the illiterate Indian Muslims. Many Yoruba people are learned and can easily see this ACADIP guy as a charlatan. If he cannot handle a simple question from an average Christian, who from my point of view is not even vast enough in handling Islamic debate, how can he handle nairaland Christians who are a bit knowledgeable in some sensitive part of Islamic theology?

This ACADIP guy is a disgrace and not well educated.

First, why do you christians like dwelling on irrelevancies?. You can't defend your christian doctrine but you love silly argument. Whether you like it or not, Islam will enter your own house starting with your wife and children.

Aisha's marriage is not fundamental or basic of islam. So what's the fuss exactly?. I know you hurt so bad that many christians reverted to Islam.


Kpele

Emmanystone:
Empireeeeeeee. Videos don't lie nah. See how that imam fall una hand. I know many muslims there who didn't know this, will be fighting with their conscience now.

folafola:
Will you stop peddling lie?! The apology of the brother was not about the discussion but rather on his style of entering into ACADIP group using deception. He acted as christian

But how was this related to the poor unrelated answer the scholar gave?!

Even if he was to answer yes or no, do you think you guys would be satisfied with his answer?. He knew very well what he was doing. That's why he gave his analogical answer. Besides, i have answered that.

If mallam Yusuf had said there are muslim men who married young girls in some parts of the world, you would still call them pedophilia. So his response was perfect for you to ponder on. Why did you marry if Jesus did not. It goes both ways, buddy

This is the thread I was talking about. See the first page for my posts where the guy apologized.


https://www.nairaland.com/4185779/72-christians-embraced-islam-modakeke#down