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Rashduct4luv:
Aje a wa.
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It is no longer a case of "deity of wealth" in yorubaland generally anymore. Aje awa is now understood to mean something like more blessings, money, customer patronage etc.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the use of the phrase. It is the same as visiting graves. The practice predates islam. But Islam does not condemn the practice. The problem only lies with individual who believe "Aje" is a deity that provides wealth. But to the general public and average Yoruba, it is a mere phrase of blessings, wealth etc just like saying "Aata ooo or Ee taooo"

I think from linguistic angle it is okay. Allah created every nation with their own palava. Surah Haj 67

"To every People have We appointed rites and ceremonies which they must follow: let them not then dispute with thee on the matter, but do thou invite (them) to thy Lord: for thou art assuredly on the Right Way".


I simply don't believe in the idea of "god of Wealth" in Yoruba sense. There is no need to argue this either because, from muslim perspective 'God of wealth' is Allah. He is the Provider, The Sustainer and The Source of wealth. I believe the Yorubas at the time simply got it wrong the way Arab multiplied their gods in those days, believing that when calamities befell them, another god was responsible for that. When they bore a child, anther god was responsible for that. When they were rich another god was responsible for that etc. But we know Allah alone is responsible for all.


So there is no need for any Alfa to start arguing about whether the use if "Aje awa oo" is acceptable or not, and the youths start causing problems and creating nuisance around town over this.


Allah – there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. (Al-Baqarah 2:255)


It is the same scenario with "olugbohun". Allah lo n je be in the sense that there is "kun fa yakun" in the Qur'an.

Wallahu Allam


Ps, i actually thought you were talking about Aje (witches) when i read the title

jimohmustapha502:
Thanks
K hw would I know ?

you see, we are dealing with Sharia here in situation like this. First all, it doesn't mean the woman is guilty free. But if it can not be proven through her confession, the accusation does not exist. However, this accusation has to do with abstract effect. So the supposed "victim" should rather embark on personal defence as in, DU'A, DHIKR rather than going from one place to another, and she may be sining or even guilty if it turns out the woman is innocent after damage is already done.

Nightmare she had might be disguise. It might be someone else far from the mother. Besides, losing job etc is common thing now. And y'all need to be good to the woman you accused no matter what. If indeed she's doing something despicable in the dark, you will triumph by your good deeds. Dont worry about how you gonna know. They should all focus on their daily routine.

jimohmustapha502:
Thank you
One of my sister husband tell her that he losed his job after their nikkah my father said he didn't have money
As tym goes on my sister husband said he has a night mare about my mother and he also said that many people told him that my mother is behind this but I still don't bliv this till now

Pls what should I do if this is true

lol, this isn't evidence.

Whoever cares to watch


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwhdcoVbPEY

I actually listened to his an hour long audio yesterday. The only thing i disagree with him is his approach. So i need to understand where Albaqir and usermane stand on this. His approach is that a muslim who witnesses insults upon prophet (p) doesn't need permission from authority to kill such person. And he cited references from medieval scholars.

Problem with this approach is, it creates anarchy. Only authority is allowed to handle this. So he really got that wrong. This is what i believe is extreme in his view. He also pointed out hypocrisy of some Muslim leaders who rather tried to caution Muslims from raising their voices when nabi(p) is insulted.


However, it is a must for govt, Muslim or not to sign a bill making it punishable offence for anyone who insults the prophet. You can not let people just have field day in the name of "free speech". For as long as they refuse to sign such bill, incidents like Charlie Hebdo etc will continue to thrive. If it is free speech to insult the prophet, you may need to ask them why Western world made it punishable offence to deny or mock holocaust.


Shouldn't people have the right to deny it if they don't believe it happened just like people have the right to deny or reject or mock islam or any religion?.


It is also punishable offence to insult president of the US. But they will appear to you in the media like it is free speech protected by First Amendment to the Constitution. But behind closed doors, secret service, fbi, cia already picked up whoever insults the president and take him or her to secret location and fvck him up. Family members will not see him or her anymore till qiyamah. They have killed many people like this for running their mouth or lock them up indefinitely. But they come to you in the media that it is free speech just so people can insult the prophet. I know what i am talking about. You just need to search internet to see their dirty secret.


So my opinion is, muslim and secular muslim govt should have or retain such law that make it punishable offence for anyone who insults the prophet. But only govt should carry out hudud not average citizens. The least citizens should do is, stay away from where islam, Allah, nabi or any islamic figures are being insulted. Or citizens should only report to the authority "If You Hear Something, Say Something". That's how it should be.

The Young Thug

alBHAGDADI:
Robbers don't damage windscreen and church buildings. They only go after money.

This act is typical of Muslims on Christian celebration days and even when Muslims celebrate. Every year, Churches in Egypt and Muslim dominated areas get bombed on Christmas period.

Don't try to make it seem like this news is an attack on Islam, cos Islam is the offender here.

but your Christian brother named Johnson just killed entire family on new year in Cross River on their way from church.

Diamby:
What does what you quoted has to do with what happened. How are you sure that those that attacked are Muslims not robbers. Please let's try to be patient and investigate properly before jumping into conclusion and not mislead people.

the guy is a product of rape by bandits. He is never reasonable on this platform.

^^^

E be like say the tall guy na álágbarã. The short guy na álágidí.

The tall one go beat him pass while the short guy no go gree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPB1lUS6i78

keacy:
I'm getting frustrated with the condition my father is giving me before I finally settle down. I will be 34 years this 2018 and would have married (with 2 or 3 kids by now) since but my dad gave the excuse that he didn't like the girl.

I am the first son of 5 children, I am paying the school fees of the last child who is in med school. I have found me a wife whom I have planned getting married to by April.

Now my dad is insisting that since we don't have a home in the village that I should build one before getting married else he won't come for my wedding and will disown me.

I have already told him that I will build after my wedding but he refused.

What should I do? Going ahead with this building will make me call-off my wedding till December or Next year. What should I do My People I need Expert Advice on this.

What your dad is saying is best known to him. It is unfair to judge situations btw both of you. I believe that your dad sensed that once you are married, your resources will be diverted and channelled on your wife and her family, which is true in some cases, especially when a man falls in crazy love with his wife. Some men would build a house for their mother in law in the name of love while neglecting their own. So from this perceptive your father may be right.

However, this is not requirement to delaying your wedding.

What you need is to sit down with him and COMMUNICATE. I know some fathers aren't open to communication or difference of option. Their opinion is "final say" which is very bad. Anyways, it is really up to you. If you can do both at a time go ahead. House isn't gonna build in a day but if you can afford to start the foundation while your wedding is on, the ball is in your court.

I tell you what, building a house first if your resources are limited is gonna strain and divert you and you may lose your fiancée in the process.

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BetaThings:
With a lot of respect, the answer is truly myopic

what's apparently white to some, it is black to other

yazach:
We are Muslims
We frown at anything that against our true religion
We will always stick to the Quran and Sunnah.

If anything stated by the op is true, we will condemn the sect but if anything is wrong and is proved wrong, we will not take it either.

But so fare, no one has been able to prove anything wrong.

I think i should post interpretation of what is said in the op. Like i said before. when i first read this months ago, i sensed it was coded, but since i am not tijaniyya i can't possibly defend it. I have however received email months ago when i forwarded this thread to a known tijjaniya here. He decoded those things. Perhaps, it will make sense to you.

You people, especially op need to stop delving into sufi books you can not understand. You are people of material reality, that's, you only understand the surface or you only hold on shell. I am sure if you guys read a book titled The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam [p. 1934]written by eminent Pakistani scholar, prolific writer, Allama Muhammad Iqbal(ra), you can never understand it despite been translated into english. A muslim scholar few yrs ago said he read his book 5 times before he understood it. So tell me how you people would copy sufi text on the internet and you think you understood it?.

Knowledge is being taken away faah. I know where op copied this from. It was posted by a Saudi looking Sheikh who perhaps knows nothing what he posted. I have the answers to op but i chose to ignore this thread to allow op[ and his gang do their mocking. I have it decoded in my email. So now you can understand when sufi use incidents btw Khidr(as) and Musa(as) to illustrate external knowledge espoused by nabi Musa(as) and internal reality espoused by khidr(as).

you guys are getting to know them?. They are pain in the neck. "enilove" is a piking compare to his bosses.

RedPanda:
You are becoming redundant with this your thinking it wont get you anywhere. You also know nothing about the western world you quote.

You are excused. Your position is clear

usermane:
The issue is not on abuse of hijab wearers, we all condemn yanking off and shoving away any person's attire. The subject here is wearing hijab to a place it wouldn't be approved. In US, there were legal procedures that had to be established before hijab could be freely permitted at secular institutions to grant the right of women to wear head covers.

Good. Give me example please. I am not aware of any. Even airport and on aircraft they wear hijab. So i am waiting for a typical example. You have raised serious allegation.

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RedPanda:
It's a big deal because you cannot impose your way of life or inject religion into a profession. Your constitutional right to practice your religion freely is within the confines of that religion, it is not an absolute right act anyhow. In any case, the constitution doesn't enshrine hijab in workplaces.

I dunno about slave masters, but I know the hijab is banned expressly in workplaces in the European Union.
http://www.dw.com/en/ecj-headscarf-ruling-and-its-consequences/a-37937433

The US has anti-masking laws that deal with burka and niqab. Hijab is banned in some circumstances.

Hijab is only a problem because Muslims decide to make it a problem. The country isn't an Islamic country, so they should agitate for a country of their own.

It is offensive for Muslims to insist on injecting religion into organisations. Next thing will be the military and then other professions that require religious/political neutrality.

[/s]I AM SORRY I HAVE TO CANCEL YOU OUT BCUS YOU DON'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE. I understand your problem already. Your goal is written on the wall.


Your dilemma is like this:


A bearded popstar (non-muslim) attends convocation, you all hail him and want to take pictures with him, and you have no problem with him. Matter of fact, many of you will go further to say "i like men with beard". In the same convocation, a bearded muslim man is among the gathering, the next thing you people say is " he is a terrorist. This is not islamic country. This is secular gathering". But in reality, beard is beard. Anyone with 10 cent worths of brain knows this is prejudice, hate, bias and intolerance. Therefore, I am afraid that nigeria is heading to a lizard hole of no return with attitude of you christians and non muslims.



Once again, you bypassed evidences raised about those pictures. Those are taken in Western world at non-religious professions. Are you more democratic than them?. Are you more secular than them?. That's the question you are yet to answer, buddy.

^^^

I still don't get why Hijab matter is a big deal?

I have put up picture descriptions to illustrate hijabi lawyers in the West.

Why is this an issue?. Are you more democratic than them?

All of you bypassed hijabi inaugurations pictures i put up there.

I ask again, is nigerian Bar more secular than them?

You have problems in that country you called Nigeria. Everything you try to copy from your slave masters. But then, you wanna act like you know more than slave masters. Why is every everything negative in Nigeria?.

Is it not only at Bar hijabians have been abused. They have been abused at govt offices and schools. Muslim children wear hijab to school in America. You dare not yank off hijab from her. You going to jail for hate crime. Hijab is identity for women and western govt perfectly understood that except for islamophobia movement.

Rashduct4luv:
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Maybe you mix with them too much before.

you assumed too much

"Encyclopaedia Judaica"

Pax Judaica in the making

RedPanda:
you are mixing apples and oranges here. Just calm down and follow simple logic.

Using bible or quran during swearing in ceremonies are optional. If you want, you can use. As most folks here are religious, they opt to swear either using the bible or quran. it's there personal decision. As your friend tithingz was implying, an atheist woudn't need to use any of that. It's a choice of the participants.

As for the UK, using hijab in court has to be a personal decision of their law bodies, they have the discretion just as we do. This thing is simple now. Just calm down and don't let emotions cloud your judgement.

As I have said before, it is for the NBA or the College of benchers to determine how the members of the organisation dress during official organisational duties. End of story. They can either decide to accept any kind of clothing or specify the appropriate dress code for their activities. It is a voluntary organisation, there is no compulsion in joining them. If you want to join them , you abide by their rules. it's that simple. Even if it is allowed in the UK that has got nothing to do with Nigeria. We are not UK. We are Nigeria and we are multi-religious here and we don't want a situation where one religion is given some kind of special treatment over the others. I.

Country's constitution supersedes whatever rules they have. Besides, you didnt quote their rule which bans hijab. You only put words in their mouth.

Now, is it their rule that extends to harassing and assaulting hijabi on the street too?. They have ulterior motives. Period. I am off this thread for now. This is no longer debateable. It is hate, bias, prejudice and intolerance.

RedPanda:
so you don't know. Let me educate you then. it is not required by any law. it is just customary and you don't have to use either bible or quran to take an oath whether during political ceremonies or other ceremonies

And you dont get it either. It is used or not?. Thats the point. For the fact that it is used shows that Nigeria is not a SECULAR country as you people claimed compare to those countries you mentioned. They claim they are christians as you said of T. May. But do they use Bible?. If answer is no and they have no problem with hijab, who the hell is your law school or Bar to challenge the lady for using hijab in a country where Bible and Quran are used for official oat?

RedPanda:
is it required by law?

Ask them. What matters here is Nigerian govt uses religious Books

erifoski:
Was just passing. But however, let me trow a little light. The jew s had been the real owners of Jerusalem from time. But in the year 70AD, Rome under the rulership of general Titus came and Invaded the entire city of Jerusalem, killing all the noble men and taking others captives. So, during this period the city of Jerusalem remained desolate. It was at this time that the Palestine came and took over the land, building their mosque i.e the mosque of Omar right were Solomon temple was. Before the Jews could finally return to their homeland in 1948, the Palestinian have claimed their land (God given land) so the land was never that of the Palestinians.

You didnt read the thread. If you read, you would have seen this trash was trashed already

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RedPanda:
Lol...smh .... you still don't get secularism?....I'm not surprised though the concept doesn't exist in Islam. All the countries you are quoting esp US or the UK are Christian countries... The UK in particular is a christian country,Theresa may in her Christmas speech just 5 days ago emphasized the UK's christian heritage. Same as the Queen. The US has 'In God we trust'. The UK has 5% Muslim population, The US is even worse just about 1%. With Brexit and Donald trump you can be sure the Islamic growth in those countries will not grow exponentially at least in the next 10 years.

France is an example of a secular country. Having removed itself from the control of the Catholic church in the 1920s they are not about to let Islamist run over their country. Burqa is banned, Niqqab is banned, Hijab is restricted. That's the hallmark of a secular country. Keep your religion to yourself. Wear hijab in your house or to your mosque.

I will still repeat it, the best way to achieve this sharia dreamland is to agitate for your own country, the muslims can move to their country and create their sharia paradise for themselves.

[/s]WHY DOES NIGERIA USES QURAN & BIBLE IN COURT?

tintingz:
Define Secularism?

And the thing is Nigeria is still a semi-secular state, religious bigotry and sentiment are still practiced in many organizations, many of the lawmakers are religious biased , countries like China, North Korea are example of secular and communist state.

Tell this to them not me

tintingz:
So because I'm african I can't be secular in ideology? Secularism is they don't want religion to influence the laws,

and where is secularism in nigeria while they use religious Books to swear in president, VP, judges, lawyers, plaintiffs, defendants and witnesses?

Sometimes seeing women on Niqab is kind of offensive to me, I find it offensive not able to see the face of who I'm dealing with, I saw one at the bank counter.

Hijab is subject of discussion here not niqab. Niqab is optional.

Nigeria is part of Commonwealth, our system is similar to Britain, the wig was adopted, I don't see how it got to do with Christianity? Is Nigeria law influenced by Christianity?

You are joking right?. Just tell me you are bcus you are the least to ask this.

muslim women on Dr Phil and Ellen.

Why is everything about nigeria is so negative?

You claim you have 'democracy' but you go crazy

You claim you are secular country but you want to act more secular than secularism.

tintingz:
Constitutional rights give freedom to practice any religion yes, but what you and your fellows don't get is that, wearing of Hijab is not part of dress code when called to bar in Nigeria law school just like skirt is not part of NYSC dress code, the court or law school didn't stop Firdaus from practicing her religion or wearing her religious regalia but when it comes to the ceremony everyone must come out secular, that's the rule.

Like you are more secular than secular countries?. We dont need to hear anymore stories on this. We know they have ulterior motives. This is not their first time. They yanked off hijab on the streets They criticized hijabi women on the street and call them horrible names. What more do we need to hear?. Sorry, they can keep their trash to them.

These pictures are western and asian countries.The dirty looking wigs they put on, how did that come about?. Is that not sign of colonial christian masters?. Besides, the lady already compromised hijab- as if that's not enough. Debate on this issue is closed. Nigeria can never grow so long as they choose to stuck on irrelevancies.

tintingz:
does a Muslim woman have right to judge men or have power over men according to Islamic rules?

why is this relevant to you now?. You are no longer a muslim. Why are you bothered when you already made up your mind??

Rashduct4luv:
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You reply them if it's our Eid/jumuah with some like:

"may Allah guide you"
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"May Allah set your affairs straight"
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etc.
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For Christmas and New year:
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it's strictly no response.

bro, this is not practical.