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Diademk07:
You're the one in need of an exposure!

We will not permit any dirty arabic wear in our institution!

Makkah ad in new York city subway are you more secularized than America?. You need to remove hate from your heart.

Diademk07:
You're the one in need of an exposure!

We will not permit any dirty arabic wear in our institution!

This is nyc subway. NY hijabi civil servants.

Are to more secular than America? . Òdę

And there are bunch of hijabi Muslim women civil servants in new York city. So are you Africans, especially Nigerians Christians crazy or what. They have reduced their religion to the inside church. Sorry, Islam isn't like that. Islamic practices transcends masajid

NYC bus driver

NYC Judge

NYC police

Diademk07:
You're the one in need of an exposure!

We will not permit any dirty arabic wear in our institution!

nigeria is a christian country?


New York city bus driver

New York City Police

New York city Judge

Is Nigeria more secular than America?. Nigeria Christians need to be recolonized to reset your brains.

Nigeria, Nigerians have big problems. You are your worst enemies. In the 90s you cried out loud to have democracy. Here you are, you wanna be more "democratic" than your slave masters? .

There are police women, women medical doctors, lawyers wearing hijab in the West and you dare not touch them or harrass them. Are you more democratic than them? . Are you more secularized than them?. Everything in Nigeria is always negative. How is it so difficult to understand that hijab is Muslim women ID?.


There are Jewish rabbis in their skullcap all the time. They are lawyers, judges, realtors, brokers, wall street investors and the list goes on. And their women wear a kind of clothing which identifies them as Jewish women. What the heck is wrong with black people and Africans?. Your hatred and intolerant attitudes surpassed the West. Your are more rascist than them.

New York City subways are filled with right of Muslim rumen to wear their hijab. New York City authority even placed niqab ads on their subways. (See attachments)


What Nigerian Christians and liberal Muslims are trying to do is to take Islam away from us. It is high time musings need to step up their game and knock these ppl back to their stone age. They are crossing the line now.

See also makkah symbol in NYC train behind these guys.

alBHAGDADI:
Empiree and his unconfirmed and unreliable sources.

Those pictures are internet pictures. I even recognise one of the pictures cos it is of a lady who starred in HBO Movie series HOMELAND.

Òdę, you don't even know where I live

Diademk07:
Which africans are you talking about? Is Hijab wearing an african culture?

As a matter of fact, what should be allowed is the act of wearing "gele" (head gears) to the bar because that's an africa culture, not any arabic culture that we know not!

Diademk07:
Those are Arabs nah. What kind of dullards are Nigeria churning out everyday?

you guys need exposure. Your are so ill-informed and illiterate.

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Hijabi doctors in America

Hijabi lawyers in America

It is high time Nigerian Christians be silenced. To hell with Kayode Fani. Wtf is wrong with you? . Is Nigeria more secular than USA?. Are you people fvcking crazy.

Why Africans are their own problems. Isn't Nigerian constitution guarantee protection of the way she dressed. Please, Christians need to put a stop to this crap. You are becoming nuisances everyday. Is Nigeria the first nation to adopt democracy or secularism?

Kayode Fani, I don't bite my tongue for you. I think you need to focus on those fraudulent pastors and ritualist pastors. You need to be quiet.

Below is New York City Hijabi Women

true2god:
If I say you are a clown I am right. There is a huge problem in Islam and how you guys have been conditioned to reason. You guys reasoning is really awkward and very dangerous. You said Jerusalem is meant for all Muslims, irrespective of nationality, but my question to you is this, how many tribes, ethnicity and nationality are living in Jerusalem? The last time I checked the only people living in Jerusalem are the Arabs and the Jews. As a Yoruba Muslim, do you think you can migrate to Jerusalem and stay?

who created borders, was it not the Christian Europeans?. The entire arab nations were one until British and cohorts devided them just like Africa. And they did is so perfectly and deceptively well that they made it easy for EU and Americas to skip visas to themselves and to others while they required others to obtain visas to them.

While the Arab-muslims made mecca and Medina a no-go area to non-muslims, because they regard them as the dirty kafirs, the same Arab-muslims want to dictate to the whole world the status on which Jerusalem must be.

what us your nuances in mekka and Medina?. These are holy sites of Islam, just like Vatican.



[s]You guys are evil to the marrow. I wouldn't mind if all Muslims are expelled from Jerusalem, the same way Mohammed and his bandits expelled the Christians and the Jews for Mecca and Medina.

You say i should wait for your imaginary imam mahdi and your Islamic Issa ibn maryam before you Muslims will finally take over Jerusalem, why won't ur imam mahdi take over new York, Paris, Tokyo and London as well. Keep waiting for imam mahdi while your Arab-muslim friends are finally expelled from Jerusalem. The civilize world want the OIC to make any aggressive move so that they will be recolonized and finally expelled from Jerusalem, just as you guys were expelled from Spain.

Mohammed had already declared war upon us (Quran 9:29; Qur'an 8:39) and his followers will be punished for evil[/s].

You think it is muslims alone criticizing Jerusalem as the capital of israel?. Check this out

Nazareth cancels Christmas celebration over Trump Jerusalem move

The Israeli town of Nazareth has canceled Christmas celebrations, with the mayor saying the end of festivities is due to President Trump.

Mayor Ali Salam, who presides over the town in northern Israel of mostly Muslims and Christians, announced Thursday that planned events such as a Christmas market and festival were called off.

He cited the U.S. decision directly and said that it had taken the "joy" from the celebrations in the hometown of Jesus Christ, according to 10 News.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/12/14/nazareth-cancels-christmas-celebration-over-trump-jerusalem-move/23307681/


These christians know how nice muslims treat them compared to the Jews. Thats why they don't want Israel to take Jerusalem. But you slaves of your god's killers don't understand. Go and live in israel for a week, i can guarantee you will come home and change your view really fast.

The least you can do is to defend them on internet.

Demmzy15:
He didn't make Takfir of Palestinians!

tòòh, eyin wi.

alBHAGDADI:
Mr man, don't you know the difference between interest and tax?

Interest is the additional gain you get when you lend someone money. Say you leave d someone 50k and the person pays 55k, the 5k additional money is the interest.

Tax on the other hand is different. It is the amount you pay to a governing body which they didn't work for.

Interest is commanded to be taken from non-israelites when the children of Israel lend them money. The verse you quoted in no way stated that it is tax the children of Israel collected.

Tax is what muslims collect from non-muslims. They call it jizya, which is the amount a non-muslim pays in submission to a Muslim authority just to save his head.

Can you now see the difference?


As for the second verse you quoted, I'm glad you quoted an old testament verse and tried to use a new testament verse to show how they contradict each other. That Deuteronomy was part of the law Moses gave to the Israelites. Jesus has shown the world that the world can do better than that. Cos if those foreigners too start to give forbidden things to the Israelites, it won't be good for them. That's why Jesus said if you do not want someone to give him something bad, don't give others bad.

teach urself

true2god:
Either you or allahh is a clown. You seem to be a lazy student or simply lack a comprehension skill. You always mix-up the Arabs with the Muslims. The Palestinians are simply Arabs while the Israelis are mostly Jews, this has nothing to do with Judaism/Islam conflict. How many Muslims in Jerusalem are Hausas, Yorubas, Chinese, Fulanis, Nubians, barbers, etc? The Muslims in Palestine are Arabs. Palestine are Arabs people first, then Muslims. Some Palestinians are Christians. The former secretary of the Palestinian liberation organization was a Christian-Arab, I wonder how a simple English is hard for you to understand. And unconsciously, an average Muslim will support an Arab struggle, even when the Arabs are wrong. That's human nature.

It is you who dont get it. This thread is about JERUSALEM. Islam only recognize tribes, nationality, ethnicity on mundane issues, and I understand that bcuz we have tribes all over the world. For this reason, Quran addresses all mankind:


O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted. 49:13

Note that the verse is not addressing muslims only. This shows recognition of tribes and races. But the issue at hand is religious one, meaning, whether you are African, American, Caribbean, European, Asian, Australian, Middle Eastern, and you are muslim, you are entitled to live in the Holy Land. Also, Jews and Christians are allowed to live with muslims in the Holy Land side by side in harmony. Provided, they abide by public moral law. But Supreme Law is God's Law of the Land.

You say if the Arabs in Jerusalem abandon Islam, your allahh will raise Muslim jhadist from all over the world to fight for Muslim's control of Jerusalem. Do you mean Yoruba Muslims, Hausa Muslims, Gambari Muslims, etc, will go and fight in Jerusalem so that Islam will take over the city? You and allahh are clowns. After Donald Trump declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel, how many non-arab Muslims have allahh sent there to fight the Jews? Tell me bro. What is allahh still waiting for. I want allahh to send the Yoruba Muslims to Jerhast reiusalem to fight the Jews.

Keep fighting for the Arabs while the Arabs keep laughing at your stupidity.

why are you hasty?. I hope you live long to see drama unfolds in that region. This will mostly happen at the time of the appearance of Imam Mahdi and nabi Isa ibn Mary'am(as)

true2god:
The Igbo people are not forcing themselves to be identified as Jews. As a matter of fact an average Igbo, over 90%, will be angry with you if you try to associate his ancestry with the Jews. There is no any known academic circle that proves any Jewish ancestry of the Igbos. I have watched a CNN documentary on the Igbo link to the Jews, and the Igbos coming from a Jewish ancestry, and I asked myself, why are the Jews not of Igbo ancestry, since it had been scientifically proven that the black race had been in existence thousands of years before the whites? And besides, two white couples can never produce a white kid but two black couples can produce a white kid. However this is another discussion for another day.

Hope you have not forgotten that so many Yoruba people claim their ancestry from Egypt or Saudi Arabia. I have seen Yoruba people who claim that they migrated from Egypt and settled in Ile-ife, while others claim that it was Oduduwa, the father of Yoruba race, that gave birth to the Yoruba race. So the issue of people's origin is often controversial.

You said God does not recognize religion based on tribal or racial background, you have been fully brainwashed. All major religions are geostrategic and/or geospecific in nature. In the Arab world, what your have is Islam, in Europe, what you have is Christianity, in China, what you hav is budism, in Japan you have Shinto, in India, you have Hindu, etc. Every people have a religion nature and God have had them associated with.

Any non-arab nation where you have Islam is either an Arab conquered territory, or the people assimilated by trade or social contact. You should be aware that in the precolonial period, all blacks in the Arab world are slaves to the Arabs. May I let you know that all black people who Mohammed had contact or relationship with are either his slave or the slaves of his sahabas. They are all in your hadith and other Islamic materials. So where am I going to? Appreciate your culture and be proud of what you are, don't allow any Islamic book tell you that your culture is bad and their culture is universally sanctioned by their god allahh hence making your culture inferior or seconded to the Arabs. This is the reason I appreciate Yoruba movies, they never throw their cultural heritage under the bus.

I am a Christian, and I can tell you that the Christian Europe is as evil as their Arab masters. The Arab taught the European how to enslave black people, the European Christians now surpassed the Arabs in the enslavement of blacks. What did the European give us in return? Churches, and nothing more.

So I want you to understand that if you are a black fighting for the Arabs on who owes Jerusalem, you are wasting your time. What I expected the Yorubas to be fighting and arguing about is on who owes Ilorin, since the Fulanis conquered Ilorin from the yoruba people. Your house cannot be on fire while you are fetching water to put out the fire in a neighbor's house. That's foolishness.

On a final note, I am a Christian, but that does not mean I won't speak out when I see the evil perpetrated by the so-called European Christians against the black race. Though the Europeans have apologized, through its a fake apology because black slaves are no longer useful to them, when will your Arab Muslim apologize for their kick-starting of slave trade in Africa?

Rubbish from the beginning to the end you spewed.

You are becoming dull everyday. Islam is not religion of the Arabs for the Arabs. Muslims are not supporting Palestinian causes bcuz they are Arabs. We support them bcuz of a binding contract btw us- ISLAM.


If they (all or majority) abandoned islam on the issue of Holy land, Allah will send muslims from all around the world to kick them out of the Land and replace them. Islam is a UNIVERSAL religion. Those countries that you said have their religions geographically is simply not true. They faked religions AFTER they corrupted the teachings of their prophets. Messages of their prophets and messengers reached them.



And certainly We sent Messengers before you – of them are those We have mentioned to you and of them are those We have not mentioned to you (40:78).

true2god:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

The link above can help you more for future study of the Jewish people. Jews are ethno-religious people, with a distinct language, culture and religion (Judaism). The Jews, unlike the Arab-muslims, don't ask people to join their religion. As a matter of fact, if you are a Nigerian practicing Judaism, the Jews won't take you serious because their religion is not opened to non-jews.

So why are your Igbo brothers forcing themselves on Jewish dna and begging to be recognized by any means necessary?.

The modern Jews have similar DNA and they ensure that everyone that claimed to be an ethnic Jews possess a Jewish DNA. The Jewish scientist had been in Ethiopia and southeast Nigeria to take a DNA sample of some people whom they believe might have a similar bloodline with the Jewish people.

The Muslims, on the other hand, made up of people of different race, culture, ethnicity and background. What unite these different class/type of people is religion, which is Islam. So I can call you a Yorubaman, an Igboman, an hausaman, an efikman, etc, just as I will call David, Solomon, Jesus, etc, as Jewish people.

Since when God recognized religion based on ethnicity if judaism is solely for the jews?. God is free of tribal, ethnic or nationality. This is what islam came to eradicate. HolyLand doesnt belong to people ethnically. There is no such thing. If they claim the Land belongs to them bcus of their Jewish tribe or heritage, where is evidence of that with respect to Abraham, Moses and Jesus?. They claimed Abraham is their forefather but Abraham was born in modern day Iraq. And Quran says: "Abraham was neither a jew nor a christian but a true muslim." Moses wasn't from Israel either and Jesus who was a Jew by ethnicity, they rejected him.

So it is you that needs to quit typing rubbish. Christianity is not even recognized in all of this. So why are you taking advil over someone else's headache

Fundamentalist:
Sometimes I really wonder whether you know the meaning of what you type.

"You are the best of people evolved from mankind, (because you) enjoin what is right , forbid what is wrong and believing in Allah (tauheed) ." 3:110

You are the most inconsistent person i have ever met

inconsistent or you don't understand?. If you disagree with me, then you are making MASS TAKFIR of Palestinians. In another word, they are not Muslims according to you. Correct me if I'm wrong

true2god:
When you say the headline, 'Israel-palestinian conflict', is a wrong headline, what should be your standard Islamic headline? Or what should be the best headline to describe the conflict?

"Muslims/Jewish conflict" is close to the definition if this makes you feel better.

You made a point that Islam does not recognize nationals (in this regard), you are perfectly right. In fact you are a good Muslim for telling the non-muslims what over 99% of them did not understand about Islamic theology. According to Islam, all land belong to allahh and the inhabitants must submit to allahh's religion, either voluntarily or by force.

So the Muslims, especially the original Muslims, the Arab (not the Arab wannabes or fake Yoruba Muslims), see all the lands in the entire universe as theirs. Let me take it down locally, this is the reason the Fulani herdsmen see all lands in west and east Africa as theirs, since all land belong to their allahh and hence no one can restrict their grazing right and movement. As you rightly pointed out, Islam does not respect national boundaries and Muslims do not respect national boundaries. Muslims are free to invade your land and build 100 of mosques and their so-called Arab cultural centres (Islamic barracks) but but will never allow such in a Muslim country. That's the mentality of superiority Muslims are brainwashed with right from their childhood hence see no qualms killing non-muslims and burning their places of worship under little or without provocation.

Since this is your wish, so shall it be. Thanks for your interpretation. But help yourself with this 6minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooVj6cn9IEU

Now back to the issue at hand, since allahh owes everything, according to Islam, allahh owes Jerusalem and Jerusalem is in the middle east, so Jerusalem must be a Muslim land, despite the fact that no any archaeological findings that proves that Muslims own Jerusalem. Jerusalem was invaded, conquered and occupied by the jihadist of the 3rd and the second khalifah, Umar and uthman ibn Affan, but to Muslim it is OK to keep a conquered territory, but when the reverse is the case, they cry foul. What a bunch of savages!

Help yourself
https://phaven-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/files/document_part/asset/1211669/1dwd4tna7yb7wnN8n8qS44yTiNc/Palestine_does_not_belong_to_the_Jews_or_the_Arabs.pdf

usermane:
Hello. Been a long time, friend. Look, I know I did defend Isreal or Christian world in the past. And I still do. But I do not deny that these societies have their demons as well. And so I never regard them as exemplary and model for reforming the Muslim world.

Long time indeed. Good to see you again. I guess you're beginning to see their true self.

If it is true that Israel imposes religious tax like Jizya on non-Jewish, I condemn and do not justify it.

Why would you even doubt when they have questionable texts in their scripture?. If these don't open your eyes i don't know what else

◄ Deuteronomy 23:19-20 ►

Do not charge a fellow Israelite interest, whether on money or food or anything else that may earn interest. You may charge a foreigner interest, but not a fellow Israelite, so that the LORD your God may bless you in everything you put your hand to in the land you are entering to possess.


◄ Deuteronomy 14:21 ►

Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to the foreigner residing in any of your towns, and they may eat it, or you may sell it to any other foreigner. But you are a people holy to the LORD your God. Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk.

You will never find this nonsense in the Quran. Riba is riba and forbidden for all. Dead animals are forbidden for all. So you can see corruptions even in their market. You can see they play ethnicity card. What happens to "do unto others what you do to yourself". So this is just one of the many reasons why there is nothing like "Jewish state". Holy Land is to be shared (two state solution). That's it. Muslims are primarily entitled to it. Jews only claim entitlement through ethnic affiliation. But we muslims do not deny the fact that they were once believers and righteousness people was the reason the Land was given to them by God BUT ON CONDITIONS which they violated time and again. Hence, the implication of declaring Jerusalem as undivided capital of Jewish state puts burden on muslims and dummy christians who keep defending them. They are gonna fulfil this biblical text by imposing their jizya on muslims and christians who resides there, while they exempt fellow Jews.

You seem to think I have this intentional prejudice against Muslims but I don't.

Yes, you do. Handwriting is written on the wall.

My exclusive critique of the Muslim society stems from the fact that I was raised and molded by it. I have more knowledge on the beliefs and doctrines of traditional Islam, a personal and direct relationship with it, so it is easier for me to critique it, from a scriptural point of view

While you are right in some of your criticisms, usually on petty issues, you have crossed the line on major issues which make you heretic.

Demmzy15:

Palestine is not for Arabs or Jews but Muslims

A nice read Cc Fundamentalist, MrOlai, AbdelKabir Stalwert, Sino, Empi.ree

Didnt I talk this before?. Why did you people fail to understand my point all along?. "Israeli-Palestinian conflicts" as media put it is very wrong. Islam does not recognize nationality or tribe on the issue of Holy Land. Geographic location is the reason many (and muslims too) think it is Arab-israeli thing. No it is not. I have been saying this since 2014 that Allah only gave the land on CONDITIONS (2 conditions). That's, tawhid and good conducts.


I once said this

Empiree:
Allah has said the only people to rule over HOLY Land is Islam and Muslims i:e God's Law. Quran itself has predicted attempts by the Jews to return to the Holy Land in the Last Age. That's what we are experiencing. Tawhid is one thing on the side, this situation going on is another on the side. This is the same excuse given by Saudi shuyukh in 2008 and 2014 when Israel bombed Palestinians, they were talking about tawhid. If Umar was here today he would whip those shuyukh really bad the same way he whipped gathering of dhikr.

I also said this

Empiree:
However, the case of Palestinian is not Palestinian or Arab issue as Western media want is to believe. It is rather Muslim-Jewish conflicts.

I said this

Empiree:
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this too

Empiree:
you still don't get it. The land belongs to muslims. Islam does not recognize nationals in this regards. So "israeli-palestinian conflicts" as the media made you to believe is a very wrong headline. But bcuz of the geographic location, many muslims feel distanced and they think it is Arab thing. No damn it, it is not.

this

Empiree:
If you are truly interested in learning this subject, I will be humble enough to tell you what we know. It is upto you to digest the truth. The Holy Land has always belong to "BELIEVERS" on CONDITIONS. Anytime the conditions are violated, God punish them and throw them out of the Land.

This is pretty much summary. The Holy Land does not belong to tribe, nationality, ethnicity etc. If you want to learn more, all you have to do is humble yourself.

I said this in 2014:

Empiree:
Well, i am personally not interested in Whether occupiers are white or black. My understanding of the region is ONLY base on Islamic point of view. That's exactly what above video details.

there are more similar comments made in 2014. Can't find them at this time. I was even precised back then. So this is not about Arab/israeli conflicts. Media is playing with people's mind. But argument here is since Arabs are geographically located in the region, it is normal to recognise and identify them more with Holy Land. They still hold tawhid GENERALLY or by their population, they represent muslims worldwide. Anyone can live in the Land but God's Law is Supreme Authority on the Land and must be enforced. Israel can not do this anymore. Palestinians still largely hold on to tawhid and good conduct, the conditions with which Allah gave the land throughout the history.

These conditions are expunged from their Bible.

Deuteronomy 9:5

"It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land,..."


Deuteronomy 9:6

Understand, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that the LORD your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stiff-necked people.


The above ^ obviously are fraud. They contradict what Qur'an says where Allah gives further assurance to Muslims that ascendancy in the world is determined through faith and righteous action rather than by ethnic affiliation. Since muslims are the final bearers of Allah's message, it is they who will "inherit the earth (Q21:105)



Very interesting video about how the Quran Declares Holy Land Given To The Israelites.... but "With Conditions".. all of which Israel and the Jewish people have broken. So the covenant with God to the land claimed by Israel is null and void.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooVj6cn9IEU


So if muslims are the final Ummah, it is wrong for the Sheikh to emphasize "tawhid" in a way that make us believe the palestinians in the region i:e representatives of the muslims are not upon tawhid. That's my problem with you. This is last ummah nothing else is coming after us.

I agree with the link (below) and i agree with the Shaykh Uthaymeen. That has always been my view and the view of sheikh Imran Hussein. But to make it sounds like Palestinians are not upon tawhid as Sheikh Fawzan portrays is awkward. That's like making mass takfir on them.

analize701:
See thief ooooo. The land does not belong to tribe ethnicity or a Nationality, yet Arabs wants to claim it.

thief thief.

you still don't get it. The land belongs to muslims. Islam does not recognize nationals in this regards. So "israeli-palestinian conflicts" as the media made you to believe is a very wrong headline. But bcuz of the geographic location, many muslims feel distanced and they think it is Arab thing. No damn it, it is not.

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Brouhaha in the house of Salafi

A house that turns on itself is bound to collapse

They are too busy with "who is upon sunnah and who is mubtadi"


This Alfa AbdelKabir self is too much. I remembered when he first espoused his manhaj on this platform. He praised Dr. Alaro, Jabata (where he used his lecture to correct sheikh Habib), Sheikh Eleha (said this sheikh preaches pristine islam) etc.

Months later, he started making u-turn. Said sheikh Mojeed eleha got problems. Said Dr is misguided and of course, he is against alfa Jabata now.


Am I surprised?. Absolutely not. I knew this would happened. I have been there done that. Every salafi guy is a scholar of his own. Soon boda AbdelKabir is gonna say Sheikh Gbadebo is upon dolal. But right now, he is still romancing him.


It is the salafi themselves that gave birth to those boys who are all over yorubaland and claiming to be upon "Qur'an and sunnah" and takfeering even their own parents. Now they are complaining that youths are ghulu as sheikh Gbadebo rightly said in his few mins lecture that gone viral in recent weeks.

And @ boda AbuHammaad, se oju gbogbo yin ti ja bayi

Na so you all dey find fault everywhere, especially with sufis. Here you guys are at the receiving end.

Your own dose is being fed to you.

This is fitna and legacy your scholars left behind, and it is gonna be around for a very long long time.

Inna lilahi wa ina ilaihi rajiun

true2god:
Who are the 'actual' owners?

If you are truly interested in learning this subject, I will be humble enough to tell you what we know. It is upto you to digest the truth. The Holy Land has always belong to "BELIEVERS" on CONDITIONS. Anytime the conditions are violated, God punish them and throw them out of the Land.

This is pretty much summary. The Holy Land does not belong to tribe, nationality, ethnicity etc. If you want to learn more, all you have to do is humble yourself.

^
nice answer

Fundamentalist:
For those trying to put together my points together , let me summerize it for you

How can I help you (victim) when you are not ready to fight for it. The palestinain government says it must be through dialogue while your oppressors don't understand dialogue

Drop that ego and accept the fact that from the angle your are taking this matter is pathetic

Putting together from Quran and sunnah perspective, I have no doubt on my mind that solution to the so called "israeli-Palestinian conflicts" can only be achieved through arm resurrection or arm resistance. You see clearly overwhelming ahadith on this subject. The implication is that, any struggles put together to resist Israel will not survive on macro level due to those ahadith but they would put israel in check anytime it attacks those people, or tothink twice before attacking them. This is what we want muslim ummah to at least do for now.


This is the part the Christians rely on in their Bible to mean any hands that fight you (Israel) shall not prevail against you, for i am with you, you, says the Lord


Does that mean Muslims should sit back? . Absolutely not. Struggle will continue until appearance of Imam Mahdi. That bible verse which appears to be in harmony with hadith, was only meant to give them respite.

Remember Jerusalem was destroyed twice before which sura Isra alludes to. It was first destroyed by babylonian army after their violations of the CONDITIONS. It was destroyed the second time by Roman army. And this is the third and final phase and will be destroyed by Muslim army.

How do we know this is the last battle? . Read sura Isra 104. They are now gathering there but doesn't mean they are rightful owners. They are being gathered there by Allah to inflict the worst possible punishment on them.

Intelligent Jews know this that's why they resist the zionists. They know what's coming. So how muslims help Allah'a cause on this issue is a test. He wants to see who is sincere. He (swt) knows it is not possible to destroy israel now but he's watching us Muslims keenly. And I still don't know why you focusing on Abass as if other factions didn't challenge Israel including warlord in Lebanon?. Reason Abass opts for dialogue is bcuz, he's not differenr from other Arab leaders who have compromised. Remember Abass could not afford to pay salary of his civil servants some yrs ago?. It was Israel and US who rescued him in exchange for treat. Actually, Israel specifically told Abass to give up dialogue on the issue completely. Of course Abass wasn't pleased by that and I believe he took the money to pay civil servants. But other factions don't give a flying fvck. They rejected everything they are offered. They only believe in army struggle. So why do you focus on PLO?.

I see this thread derailed and my questions are never answered. So, make I bounce. Evidences are shown to you, take them or leave them.

danvon:
did you even read the verse?

His brain is suspended between heaven and earth. Nothing he understands.