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ShaheedBinAliyu:Case closed. It is "Jabata said" while majority of the scholars said it is sahih. You are taqlidi |
ShaheedBinAliyu:But your scholar, Sheikh Albany graded it sahih. So who are you to say it is daif? |
ShaheedBinAliyu:So the entire ummah regardless of sects are wrong for saying Ameen after du'a, abi? This is not in salat Hadeeth narrated on the authority of Abu Hurayrah may Allaah be pleased with him that once the Messenger of Allaah , ascended the pulpit and said: “‘Aameen! ‘Aameen! ‘Aameen!” It was said to him: “O Messenger of Allaah! You did not use to do so. “On that he said: “Jibreel (Gabriel) said to me: “May Allaah disgrace (or Far from the Mercy of Allaah is) a servant upon whom the month of Ramadan came and he was not forgiven.” I said: “‘Aameen.” He then said: “May Allaah disgrace (or Far from the Mercy of Allaah is) a servant whose both parents or one of them attained old age in his life and they did not cause him to enter Paradise (due to his kindness to them).” I said: “‘Aameen.” He then said: “May Allaah disgrace (or Far from the Mercy of Allaah is) a servant in whose presence you were mentioned and he did not invoke Allaah's blessing on you.” I said: “‘Aameen.” [Ibn Khuzaymah - Al-Albaani graded it Saheeh (sound)] This is daif too abi? |
ShaheedBinAliyu:You said Du'a is worship, so what is it to argue here?. The last part of sura fatiha is du'a. unless and until you bring forward your evidence that clearly says "Ameen" is restricted to salat only, it is only then the hadith in abu Daud may be considered 'daif'. But if you can not bring evidence, then, sura 4:115 is binding upon you. |
ShaheedBinAliyu:You are obviously contending with the prophet(saw). Evidences are presented before you. "If anyone contends with the Messenger after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination." Q4:115 |
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ShaheedBinAliyu:Maybe that's why you are unable to secure a job for a long time now bcuz anytime your momma prayed for you to get a job, you just look like MUMU and not say "Ameen". If saying "Ameen" after dua was brought by the SUFI, it means SUFI revived the sunnah. See below ShaheedBinAliyu:Since youare are shouting "DALIL", here, take these and shove it down your throat. Some scholars say ameen is the abbreviation of the word Allaahummastajib lana which means "Oh Allah accept our invocation" or O Allah, respond to, (or answer) what we have said. Other scholars say it is derived from the word Āmana (Arabic: آمن) which means So be it There are many ahadith which state the importance of Ameen. Some say that if our saying Ameen coincides with that of the angels our previous sins get washed away. Also a few hadiths say that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) used to say it after finishing Surah Fatihah and he used to say it loudly. Saying it is a sunnah. It means you can chose not to do it. Hadith about Ameen - Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 2 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “When the Imam says: ‘Ghair-il-Maghdubi ‘Alaihim Walad-Dallin (i.e. not the path of those who earn Your Anger, nor the path of those who went astray (1:7)), then you must say, ‘Ameen’, for if one's utterance of ‘Ameen’ coincides with that of the angels, then his past sins will be forgiven.” Muslim :: Book 4 : Hadith 828 Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) while teaching us (the principles of faith), said: Do not try to go ahead of the Imam, recite takbir when he recites it. and when he says:" Nor of those who err," you should say Amin, bow down when lie bows down, and when he says:" Allah listens to him who praises Him," say:" O Allah, our Lord, to Thee be the praise". Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 12 :: Hadith 747 Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Say Amin" when the Imam says it and if the Amin of any one of you coincides with that of the angels then all his past sins will be forgiven." Ibn Shihab said, "Allah's Apostle used to Say "Amin." Dawud :: Book 3 : Hadith 938 Narrated AbuZuhayr an-Numayri: AbuMisbah al-Muqra'i said: We used to sit in the company of AbuZuhayr an-Numayri. He was a companion of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him), and he used to narrate good traditions. Once a man from among us made a supplication. He said: End it with the utterance of Amin, for Amin is like a seal on the book. AbuZuhayr said: I shall tell you about that. We went out with the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) one night and came upon a man who made supplication with persistence. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) waited to hear him. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: He will have done something which guarantees (Paradise for him) if he puts a seal to it. One of the people asked: What should he use as a seal? He replied: Amin, for if he ends it with Amin, he will do something which guarantees (Paradise for him). Then the man who questioned the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) came to the man who was supplicating, and said to him: So-and-so, end it with Amin and receive the good news. These are the words of Mahmud. There are more proofs. I thought you said there isn't dalil?. You don't even have dalil for your stupid "fatwa" (op) but you are repudiating other?. Go back to ile keu, buddy |
Raintaker:I see, lol |
EweduAfonja:pls ignore the guy above Thanks |
Sterope:i don't quite get you miss. You didnt quote me properly. |
ABOUT YUSUF ADEPOJU: Who Is Yusuf Adepoju? A Quick Background YUSUF OLATUNDE OLADIMEJI ADEPOJU www.yusufadepoju.com All-Mighty Allah enjoins men to engage in meaningful dialogue in searching for the truth about His Might and Unification, so that man can know the truth, uphold it tenaciously and consequently walk on the path of Paradise. Allah, the Mighty, puts it this way in the Glorious Qur’an: “Invite all to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching and argue with them in the ways that are best.” (Qur’an 16 verse 125). Even in the Bible, it is stated thus: “Prove all things and hold fast to that which is the truth” (1st Thessalonians, 5 verse 21. In Isaiah, Chapter 1, verse 16-18, it is stated: “Come, let us reason together.” It is the principle of these phrases, that fired the desire in a group of talented youths to come together and create a forum for the exchange of ideas about how to know God All-Mighty and the most acceptable way to worship Him. These talented youths were also disturbed by the alarming rate at which children of Muslims were fast drifting away from the path of Al-mutaqinn, (the believing ones), as a result of ignorance and lack of knowledge about the Deen-Ul-Islam, (Allah’s ordained religion for His creation). The untiring efforts of the talented group culminated in the formation of a Mission named “ACADEMY OF ISLAMIC PROPAGATION”, (ACADIP) in 1997 in Akure, the Ondo State capital. Yusuf Olatunde Adepoju, a major character in the initiation and formation of ACADIP and now a renowned comparative religious preacher, had since 1990 started attending the Islamic Vacation Courses (IVC) being organised by the Muslim Students Society of Nigeria, (MSSN). From there, he came to know about the works of that great South African Islamic scholar, the late Sheikh Ahmed Deedat and so, in 1991, he started reading his books. As providence would have it, in 1992, Yusuf met Dr. Dawood Amoo Alaga, a prominent mover and motivator of Muslim students, at one of the IVCs, and became interested in his, (Alaga’s) lectures. On each occasion Yusuf had opportunity of listening to Alaga on comparative religious preaching, he was always charged, motivated and inspired to follow suit. No wonder, therefore, that in 1994, Yusuf started with indoor debates/dialogues with Christians. In the same year he reached out, delivering lectures on Islam in secondary schools, like the Federal Government College, Ogbomoso, in Oyo State, the Federal Government Girls’ College, Ipetumodu, in Osun State and at Government College, Offa in Kwara State. In 1995, Yusuf moved a step further by taking the ‘dawah’ task beyond educational institutions. In that year, he publicly preached for three consecutive days and nights in each of the farming communities of Owode Eleepo and Elegiri, both in Ondo State. In 1996, the desire to silence the enemies of Islam and as well to correct the unfortunate trend, among the Muslim Umah, whereby Muslim children were usually left unguided and thus allowed to drift away from the religion of Allah generated a powerful zeal in Yusuf to start publication of Islamic pamphlets and tracts to assist in propagation work. The two-fold desire to halt the assault of anti-Islamic preachers and house-to-house canvassers and the ugly incidence of weak Muslims being carted away into Christianity drew duo of Yusuf Adepoju and a fellow Muslim brother, Abdul-Afeez Igbayilola together to quickly form a Dawah Group. They started Dawah work within the campus of the Federal University of Technology, Akure (FUTA), where both of them were then students. This group started expanding and, by the following year, 1997, others like Engr Suraj Subar, Moshood Ajayi, Naheem Odebunmi, and Jamiu Odunbaku joined them and co-founded the virile Academy of Islamic Propagation, (ACADIP). Its mission slogan is “ACADIP, UNCOVERING THEIR COVER-UPS!” By 1998/99 academic year, the fold of Islamic Evangelists increased by four, with the coming on board of Abdul Azeez Oyelami, Tajudeen Akinsowon, Taofik Adeoti, Saheed Oyedotun and Mutiu Oladeji. The same year, ACADIP extended the frontier of its Islamic propagation beyond FUTA campus. They started staging ‘dawah’ programmes in Akure, the metropolis of Ondo State. Their first public lecture in Akure was held at Agoro bus stop, High School Area, where the group, led by Yusuf recorded its first convert to Islam, (a female). Then, they held a three-day lecture series at Adejare and Igboliki areas. It was during these days, that a one-time Christ Apostolic Church choir leader, Bro. Oluyemi Emmanuel saw the light of truth and embraced Islam. Today, Bro. Emmanuel is now known, called and addressed as AbdulFatai Oluyemi. He is today, by the Grace of Allah, (swt), an active da’yat in ACADIP. In 2000, the Ansar-Ud-Deen, Akure branch organised a 2-day programme at Araromi, where we had two converts in the persons of Tope, now Dawood and Tunde, who turned Abdus-Salam. He, Abdus-Salam later died in a motor accident in 2006. (May Allah grant him Aljannat Firdaos). From 2000 thenceforth, ACADIP programmes were severally and serially held in some Akoko towns like Afin, Ikare, Oba and in many Ekiti State towns like Erinjiyan-Ekiti, Ado-Ekiti, Iyin-Ekiti, Imesi-Ekiti, Ise-Ekiti, Iworoko-Ekiti as well as in Ogbese, Obada and Afolu among others towns where, after listening to ACADIP lectures, many Christians converted into Islam. ACADIP, there and then also achieved successful return of a number of individuals who were born into Islam, but who had once before strayed into Christianity. In 2001/2002, ACADIP began ‘Town-moving Programme Series’ like Akure for Islam, Ile-Ife for Islam, Osogbo for Islam, Ilobu for Islam, etc. These programmes further popularised ACADIP such that Muslims organisations like ADS, YIRON, TMC, OMU, NECOMBAS, ADYAN, FOMWAN, NASFAT, FATIHU-QUAREEB, JNI and MSSN in various towns and branches were inviting them, particularly their Chief Lecturer, Alhaji Yusuf to give lectures on comparative religion at regular time intervals. At this juncture, it is desirable to know the historical profile of that personality, Yusuf Adepoju, who is the driving force behind this new order of dynamic and captivating Evangelism of the auspicious Academy of Islamic Propagation, (ACADIP) that is projecting Islam in its natural and undiluted perspective; strengthening the faith of practising Muslims and which, at the same time, is awakening those unwary, lukewarm or rather, nominal Muslims from their slumber. Enthusiastic Muslims, in due appreciation to Allah, (swt) for given them Yusuf as well as many disgruntled enemies of Islam, for their ulterior, indeed, diabolic motives have always asked, and quite incessantly too, “Who is this Yusuf Adepoju?” Yusuf’s resume runs simply thus: Yusuf Olatunde Oladimeji Iyanda Adepoju is a native of Ilobu in Osun State. He attended Local Authority Primary School, Gbobamu, Ilobu in Irepodun Local Government Area of Osun State. He had his secondary education at Ansar-Ud-Deen Grammar School, Erin-Osun, Government College, Ibadan and finished up at Fakunle Comprehensive High School, Osogbo before he proceeded to the Federal University of Technology, for his tertiary education. His father, Alhaji Jamiu Adeniyi Isola Adepoju, an Islamic activist and jihadist, is a retired school Principal, a former Chairman of the Muslim Pilgrims Welfare Board in the old Oyo State and a former Civil Service Commissioner both in Oyo and Osun States of Nigeria. His Mum, Alhaja Amdalat Ibidunni Abike Adepoju, is a retired Secondary School Principal and the former FOMWAN Amirah of Irepodun Local Government, Ilobu. Yusuf is number two of the seven children of his parents comprising of one female and six males. His hobbies include reading, researching into religion and traveling. He started preaching in 1995, founded the Academy of Islamic Propagation, (ACADIP) same year, and six years after, he founded ACADIP Security Crew, (ASEC). Yusuf had engaged in series of debates/dialogues with prominent Christian evangelists, pastors and other notable Christian leaders. Pastor Kunle Salami of Chapel of His Glory, Ado-Ekiti once engaged in dialogue with Yusuf in a programme organised by the Muslim Student Society of Nigeria, University of Ado-Ekiti branch. Others are Pastor Ajayi of CAC, Pastor Sola, Pastor Agboola, Pastor Esutu, Evangelist Akinwumi of CAC and Evangelist Folowosele of Ipetumodu. In the last Eighteen, (18) years, Yusuf has delivered lectures on comparative religion in over one hundred, (130) towns and twenty, (29) higher educational institutions. Alhaji Yusuf has written eighteen, (18) different Islamic booklets (in English and Yoruba) while thousands of known converts to Islamic fold had been recorded, while more are still converting. Yusuf performed the Holy pilgrimage in the year 2001 and has subsequently visited Saudi Arabia several times for Umrah. He was once received by Dr.Nasif Abdallah, former Vice Chancellor, King Abdul-Aziz University, Jeddah and later the Speaker, Saudi House of Assembly. He has visited nine countries in West Africa and beyond, including Egypt, Rwanda, South Africa and England. He is happily married and blessed with children. Yusuf has by the mighty power of Allah, (swt) tremendously propagated Islam and through his preaching, he has assisted many to regain their golden faith of Al-Islam. He has also trained and developed more than fifteen people in comparative religious preaching. He is not done yet, as he plans to establish an Academy where comparative Dawah methodology would be taught. This, he hopes would help in almost completely silencing enemies of Islam and combat their diabolical activities against the unsuspecting Muslims in Nigeria. Yusuf is currently the Managing Director of Islamic Cultural and Enlightenment Centre, (ICEC), Ilobu, an establishment founded by his father, Alhaji Jamiu Isola Adepoju, some forty-eight, (48) years ago. At his young age, Yusuf has, no doubt, caught a niche for himself in the propagation of Islam along the line of Comparative Religion. Along this line, he has developed strong working relations with other comparative preachers, at home and abroad. Such preachers include Sheikh Ahmed Deedat, Prof Jamal Badawi, Dr Yusuf Buccus, Dr Dawood Amoo Alaga, Dr Buniyamin Alalaye, late Alhaji Yunus Akewugbajesu, Alhaji Abdulahi Kunle Olorunoje, Alhaji Abdul-Fatahi Jagunmolu, Ustadh Muhideen Jesu-okola, Ustadh Ismail Agbeti, Evangelist Abdul Rahamon Omojo and Ustadh Yusuf Maberra, and others. Laudable as his achievements could be, the journey has so far not been all that smooth. It has not been a bed of roses at all. Alhaji Yusuf had experienced a lot of challenges along the line; but when he looks back, he has cause to glorify Allah, (Subhana Wa Ta’ala) for enabling him to weather the storm. The major problem facing the ACADIP are finance and logistics to procure Dawah Buses and instruments like Public Address System, Generating Set/s, etc. Another challenge has to do with coping with the difficulties faced by the Muslim converts. Most of them are faced with stigmatization and neglect by their relatives simply because they have seen the light and embraced truth. Right from the beginning, the young preacher was faced with criticisms, even among some nominal Muslims. On some occasions, there were threats on his life. He had escaped assassination planned against him on a number of occasions. Some Christian groups severally petitioned the Police and the State Security Service (SSS) against his public lectures and debates. They went to the extent of vandalising ACADIP lecture stages on several occasions to disrupt organized lectures. But, Alhamdulillah! whenever Alhaji Yusuf looks back to the glorious past, he always gives thanks to Allah (swt) and all those that have contributed positively towards the successes of his Dawah activities, both living and dead. Enquiry: www.yusufadepoju.com yusufadepoju@yahoo.com https://m.facebook.com/yusufadepoju/about?nocollections=1&lst=1585105263%3A100001151292941%3A1512689250 |
EweduAfonja:No problems. Take your time. Get well along with ACADIP network. I believe that's the best way. Muslims who are familiar with what i just told you are bored to engage this type of discussion on here bcus they would assume you are another famous christians that goes undercover to mock. Since your decision is clean and clear, you have nothing to worry about. Despite being public forum is really a good thing. We shall be glad to read from your experiences. Don't hesitate to post on public forum here. We are all here to learn |
EweduAfonja:Lol, not necessary bcz of your moniker (even though it is a funny one). It is actually bcus of some diehard christians we have debated over the yrs on this platform. They would create different monikers and asked the same question you asked. We were happy to provide them answers not knowing they are undercover core christians seeking to mock us. After providing them answers, they would shun us and said 'it doesn't make sense'. And then started to quote bible until we bursted them. |
EweduAfonja:Much better if you send him message too or comment on his post |
ShaheedBinAliyu:I do that EVERYDAY ![]() |
Fundamentalist:That photo was secretly taken by someone. If he had a gun he would shot the guy if he noticed. I was told the photo was taken between 2007-2010. A NL member sent it to me almost 2yrs ago on whatsapp. Same thing happened when he was debating on the street side with some people. Someone secretly recorded the video some feet away. When he noticed he was being recorded, he screamed and wanted to snatch the recorder. That's why the video isnt too clear |
ShaheedBinAliyu:Şebi inú ógbà ęwòn nì Egypt ni wón tì ró irô kírô si your master l'ágbárí ![]() |
EweduAfonja:no one may take you serious here, myself included. If you are truly serious, do this offline by attending open debate/lecture. Contact this man to figure it out. https://m.facebook.com/yusufadepoju?fref=nf Start from there ^^ |
spyder880:man, i salute thee. No easy thing ooo. You really rushed this building in this nija econs. Takes some up to 10yrs to get to this level. God bless your hustle man |
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^ As you rightly said about rising from sujud, the sunni fiqh also agrees that that if Imam completely rose and upright in the third rakah, the salat is invalid and "sujud of forgetfulness" is due. Sitting (for tashahud) after completely risen invalidates salat. He should rather make sujud of forgetfulness. walahu alam and i will check status of the Imams on this too |
^^ he offered the first two rakat and didnt sit down or he sat down but didnt do tashahud?. How did you know he didnt?. I wanna understand your point better sir jimohmustapha502 |
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MuttleyLaff:Truncated?. Well, this was copied as received. If there was something omitted i wouldn't know that. And if you have "original copy" doesn't mean everyone else does. If you already read this doesn't mean other did. Bottomline here is you edited my post ![]() You don't need to "save others" from scrolling down. You are not their proctor. Yes, i am laughing bcus christendom is a joke in nigeria and the WESTERN WORLD. They copied tithing and luxury from their boss in the West. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBVMmOlVSKk |
Copied This. Someone Dropped This PowerBomb This article was not originally paragraphed. I had to do that for easy read. But the body is not altered. POSTED AS COPIED Daddy Francis Akinnola wrote: Am angry tonight! Am angry against the pulpit ministers that have perverted the GOSPEL OF CHRIST. I'm angry with 'redeem' ministers! I'm angry with 'winners' ministers! I'm angry with all the OTHER ministers and 'ministries' whose pastors have COMMERCIALISED the gospel! I'm ANGRY with those who peddle "24-hour" 'miracles.' I'm ANGRY with those who ask you to "sow" before God can do something for you! I'm angry with those who for twenty-five years now, have taken the true gospel away from Nigerian pulpits and have replaced it with greed-for-money gospel!. I'm angry with those who mount the pulpit every Sunday with nothing to say other than money-siphoning gimmicks to 'slay' the sheep and milk them dry! I'm angry with those WHO PREACH LAW!. I'm ANGRY with those who say we must KEEP our salvation with good works! May God punish you!. I'm particularly angry with the Redeemed Christian Church of God tonight! Mehn? those guys have really sold LIES to christendom in this COUNTRY! I'm ANGRY with E. A. Adeboye tonight!. That guy needs a millstone tied around his neck and to be DROWNED IN THE DEPTH OF THE SEA!. I'm angry with my friend, David Oyedepo, tonight! That guy is responsible for derailing the FAITH MOVEMENT in this country in 1992, apart from Adeboye's emissaries who really cut down the tree of that movement!. I'm angry with Wale Oke for having been a 'willing accomplice' in the desecrating of the Gospel in this country - the same Gospel that he has previously laboured so much to PREACH in this country;. I'm angry with my friend, Remi Adejumo, and his wife, Funke Felix-Adejumo for having done so much havoc to the gospel in this country; - the same gospel that Remi has so much laboured for! I'm ANGRY with every one of you, who have promoted WITCHCRAFT and MANIPULATION from the pulpit!. If you don't repent, JUDGMENT IS COMING!. I'm angry with you, Matthew Ashimolowo! - I saw that video in which you were asking people to come and give N1,000 or 1,000 USD for EACH year of the number of YEARS OF THEIR AGE! Matthew, how did you FALL SO MUCH?. You used to BE BEAUTIFUL! As a pastor in the Foursquare Gospel Church, back then, you made the rest of us in the BODY OF CHRIST so PROUD OF YOU!. You did your work so DILIGENTLY, preaching the TRUTH of the Gospel of Salvation; with this truth, you built the largest Foursquare Congregation in all of EUROPE!. Later you started KICC, and we were so so PROUD of you, brother!. But now you've joined the MERCHANTS, bá? You needed to have seen yourself in that video I mentioned! You looked PITIFULLY UGLY! Not so much in the physical sense of it, but SPIRITUALLY, ETERNALLY! You looked like someone UPON WHOM ANOTHER SPIRIT HAS COME! And, indeed, ANOTHER SPIRIT came on YOU in that meeting! Although you may not know it! I'm ANGRY with you, all of you that make merchandise of God’s PEOPLE! A number of YOU started well, but now how MUCH YOU HAVE FALLEN! I did NOT say you're no longer saved! BUT YOU'VE FALLEN! ASHIMOLOWO, you've FALLEN;! ADEBOYE, I don't even know how to CATEGORISE you! You're the GREATEST DISSERVICE to the Cause of God’s Kingdom in this country! Unfortunately, the people that have been mesmerized by you, all across this country - high and LOW alike, do not know this! THEY WORSHIP YOU! They're NOT WORSHIPPING GOD! God will ask for of this! REPENT! To all those in this country, who, UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE REDEEMED CHRISTIAN CHURCH OF GOD, has specialised in "God will send you to America this year," instead of preaching THE CROSS AND THE RESURRECTION, I say, Woe UNTO YOU! Repent or face your ORDEAL AT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST! David Oyedepo! I'm BEGGING YOU! Please come back to the LORD that you once Loved! Don't get me wrong! I did not say that you're no longer saved! But, PLEASE, my dear, COME BACK to that Jesus that you once loved! This foul dance in the MARKET PLACE has lasted for too long! You're all about money now! You only "add" the name of Jesus to it to give an APPEARANCE of the gospel! But you should know you're NOT BEING REAL! We're TIRED of the drama! Please come back! I'm SO OVERWHELMED TONIGHT, I don't know how to continue! I'm really WEEPING NOW! My generation of MINISTERS have led the Church in this country ASTRAY! And how are we ever going to CORRECT THE DAMAGE WE'VE DONE? The younger ministers (those who are NOW in their FOURTIES and FIFTIES, or close to that) have so much copied us they're even WORSE THAN US! Yes, I as a person may NOT have been a part of this mess, (and that's the reason many of YOU look down on me and despise me), but there's something called "COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY." My Generation did it! So I'm a part of it! I repent on your behalf, but what will my repentance do, without your own? Pa Elton bequeathed something to us (my generation) in this COUNTRY! Towards the end of his life, you guys were making fun of him! Idahosa bequeathed something to us! But we have, and we are BEQUEATHING MATERIALISM to those coming after us! Now God is using the MUCH YOUNGER ONES to chastise us (those the age of our very children) and yet you still can't see God at work! I WARN YOU TODAY! Cleanse this MESS that you've caused! Otherwise, get SWEPT OFF when God begins to use others to CLEANSE IT! I've said ENOUGH FOR NOW! |
AbuTwins:Case closed.. you have no counter argument. BYE. Note, FLAW talking about here is about gathering of loud group dhikr in unison which they claim is bidia and refused to be corrected. Same thing you just did here. You have a good day. Stop calling people ahl bid'ah and repent from that crap. It is called 'religious arrogance'. Knowledge did not start nor will it stop with you. Finally, take it or leave it. Narrated Abu Ma'bad(the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas): Ibn 'Abbas told me, "In the lifetime of the Prophet it was the custom to celebrate Allah's praises aloud after the compulsory congregational prayers." Ibn 'Abbas further said, "When I heard the Dhikr, I would learn that the compulsory congregational prayer had ended." Ibn 'Abbas reported: Dhikr (mentioning the name of Allah) in a loud voice after obligatory prayers was (a common practice) during the lifetime of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) ; and when I heard that I came to know that they (the people) had finished the prayer. Anas reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "When you come upon the meadows of the Garden, graze in them." He was asked, "What are the meadows of the Garden?" "Circles of dhikr," he replied. [at-Tirmidhi) This is what you people called bid'ah and start tagging people who oppose you 'innovators' |
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