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alBHAGDADI:
Yes, we do.

You do? . Seriously? . But your actions speak louder. You have track records of hatred for Islam and Muslims. Who the heck you think your are deceiving?.

It is only when you are cornered that you start to invoke the scripture about 'loving your enemies'. But practically your silly "love" isn't real.

true2god:
You need not invoke tribal sentiment when you don't accept an alternative argument. It is not all nairalander who is not an Islamic apologist that is an Igbo.

You are known for thinking from your bottom. Traditional Jews know too well that zionists Jews are their problems. It means you guys do not know the difference between the Jews. Zionist Jews are the evil forces steering controversies in the middle east and around the world.

They have their lobbyists in almost every country on earth. Wake up from your slumber, buddy and drink coffee.

^^

You dey mind him

alBHAGDADI:
What's empi.ree talking about?

Who said Jews will stop hating Jesus Christ? As far as they hated him and killed him, they will always hate his followers. But we the followers of Christ know better cos our saviour told us to forgive those who persecute us. That's why we don't hate them in return. Instead, we love them and wish them well as commanded by Jesus.

So, you Muslims should stop trying to pull Christians into your hate for Jews cos it won't work. If you hate the Jews, then you hate Jesus cos he was a Jew.

do you also love Muslims unconditionally since your biblical Jesus told you to love your enemies?

alBHAGDADI:
You Islamists need to know that your antics to make Christians hate Jews won't work.

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Here is a 1 minute clip. Hate crimes against christians in Jerusalem by Jews. Here is graffiti they wrote on the wall.."Your Jesus is garbage. Death to Arabs and christians" written by orthodox Jews

You are confused. You don't know your priority


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkbwUyycop8

analize701:
Lolzzzz. You read the Bible but deliberately jump over certain vital issues in it abi?

If you read the Bible for knowledge, you'd have known why they don't believe in Christ YET. And why they persecute Christians for now. But, am even yet to feel their persecution compared to what islam is doing.

l laf you in Arabic

Jerusalem's Christian Leaders to Trump: Recognition Will Cause 'Irreparable Damage'


Heads of local churches express concern over reports on his expected Jerusalem policy change; 'the Holy City can be shared'


read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.827207

read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.827207

analize701:
Lolzzzz. You read the Bible but deliberately jump over certain vital issues in it abi?

If you read the Bible for knowledge, you'd have known why they don't believe in Christ YET. And why they persecute Christians for now. But, am even yet to feel their persecution compared to what islam is doing.

Listen, No man could kill my Savior, he laid down his life by Himself. Unlike muhammed who was killed by a mere girl.

Good News Translation John 10:18
No one takes my life away from me. I give it up of my own free will. I have the right to give it up, and I have the right to take it back. This is what my Father has commanded me to do.”

l laf you in Arabic

Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them



A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

read more: https://www.haaretz.com/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099

https://www.haaretz.com/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099

analize701:
Insecure about Muslims feeling inferior to the Jews and Christians? hahahahahahahahahaha. I trust you don't know what insecurity means.

i won't allow you to drag me to your low level. Focus on this topic.

Fundamentalist:
Talking about disappointment, I'm very disappointed in you.

With your level of knowledge, you quoted a blogger's webpage as an evidence.

Oda, How can we verify your claim?

and where is your evidence he of is Bahai faith?

analize701:
Just like you are killing people for islam while your Nigerian Muslim brothers are being sold off like goats into slavery in Libya by arab Muslims.

And your christian brothers are free of sex trafficking and children slave trade?

https://naijagists.com/abia-policeman-seventh-day-adventists-evangelist-arrested-for-child-trafficking/

Fundamentalist:
So I should conclude that these people are also Muslims

listen, stop this crap. You aint making point

Empiree:
where did you get Baha'i faith on his profile?.

Read For Yourself

In an interview with Ha-aretz, Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) says (after many other things) that he is still awaiting an apology by former Mossad chief Shabtai Shavit, who said in a newspaper interview that Abbas belongs to the Bahai faith. Shavit explained at length in the interview that a Bahai cannot become a Palestinian leader. That false rumor has been lately disseminated by people with ill-will toward Abbas. He is angry at The Jerusalem Post for prominently reporting that posters claiming he is Bahai are appearing in Arab countries. “This is not the first time that people spread that malicious rumor. I sued a Jordanian newspaper for publishing it. Regrettably, the person I sued passed away before the court ruled unequivocally that the report was false. I am a believing Muslim, son of a family of believers, and committed to the religion’s commandments.”

https://sensday./2012/07/15/on-not-being-bahai-palestinian-prime-minister-mahmoud-abbas/

analize701:
When King David and Solomon were Kings in Jerusalem, were was Muhammad?

Muslims trying to steal from the Israelites since Hagar the slave girl.

It was prophesied that the Gentiles shall trample over the Holy City of Jerusalem for a period of time, islam with their idol, allah, have done that, but their time to get out of there is drawing close.

A question is, why are you insecure? .

danvon:
Jews spit on Christians https://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099

Despite this, you'll forever this those mumu nigerian christians supporting those criminals

This is called "Circulation Of Wealth" (Zakat). Freeze is right. Politicians and Pastors are the same. They hate to distribute wealth.

Funny these people also charge their "jizya" (tax impose on non citizens) on non-recognized state religions like Jehova and others while they focused on Islam. Maybe the guy named usermane needs to see this

Op, thanks. That's eye opener. And we have Christians here wanna die for israel on this issues while Israel doesn't give a fig leaf about them


Here is another opinionated article based on biblical proofs


WHO OWNS JERUSALEM? By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

http://knowislam.com.ng/who-owns-jerusalem-by-bashir-lucas-samson-lukman/

When Donald Trump declared his recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, several articles were written to tell the world that Jerusalem does not belong to Israel. The topic, "Who Owns Jerusalem?" is not debatable and will never be. What I will write here to prove who owns Jerusalem is not new except to those who do not know about the Israel-Palestine conflict.

If Israel did not exist as a state from 70AD to 1947 can claim the land of the Palestinians, claiming that they used to be there in ancient times, I think we should give back the land to Canaan/Phoenicia ( which includes Syria and Jordan) if we were to play the "who used to be there" game! The god of the Jews called Canaan, "The Promised Land" making the Jews take lands that were not theirs. It is surprising that such people could come to claim "their land" they were away from for hundreds of years.

Something spectacular about the Jews is how they capture lands that are not theirs, occupy it, re-write history, control the minds of people, consistently appear to be the victim, do they not beat and yet cry? They do all these giving credit to their god, is it not time to ask the god to them a land of their own instead of forcing people out of their lands? One would think that the holocaust is the greatest crime in history but they never talk about their destruction of the Amalekites including children,infants,cattle,sheep,camel and donkeys! how can we trust a people with such barbaric history?

The Jews took the land of Canaan which they saw as the Promised Land. Before then, Philistia which refers to the land of the five lord of Philistines comprised of Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, Gath and GAZA was there and had absorbed into the Canaanite culture. These lords ruled the southern part of Canaan but the Israelites later subdued and conquered them.

The Jews claim Abraham is their father and he was born in Ur of the Chaldees which is in present day Iraq! Maybe the Jews should know where to call their land! Let us now focus on Philistine. Having stated earlier that the Israelites took control of Canaan which they saw as a Promise Land and also conquering Philistia ( Philistine) which is the southern part of Canaan, let us see something interesting.

Abraham, the father of the Jews himself did not step his feet in Israel rather he was a foreigner in the land that was conquered, we wonder how it now belongs to them. Abraham gave birth to Isaac who gave birth to Esau and Jacob ( called Israel). In Geneis 21:22-34, we read about the Treaty at Beersheba.

Genesis 21;

"22 At that time Abimelek and Phicol the commander of his forces said to Abraham, “God is with you in everything you do. 23 Now swear to me here before God that you will not deal falsely with me or my children or my descendants. Show to me and the country where you now reside as a foreigner the same kindness I have shown to you.”

24 Abraham said, “I swear it.”

One might wonder who is Abimelek but the answer is here,

" 32 After the treaty had been made at Beersheba, Abimelek and Phicol the commander of his forces returned to the land of the Philistines."

Abraham, the father of the Jews swore to Philistines before the advent of the name, "Israel". He (Abraham) was a foreigner in the land of philistine,

"34 And Abraham stayed in the land of the Philistines for a long time."

After Hagar went to the desert with Ishmael, the Bible forgot him like he never existed after going to the desert same way nothing was said about philistine like they ceased to exist.

One might wonder, "what is it about Philistine?". Philistine is the Palestine فلسطين of today. Even though the father of the Jews swore to Palestinians, the children seem to have forgotten this. Many Palestinians today are living as refugees in their own land while the children of Abraham are living as children in a land where there father lived as a foreigner. The Lord is Good,innit?

In Shaa Allah, I will write next on, |"Jerusalam - Politics and Religion"

http://knowislam.com.ng/who-owns-jerusalem-by-bashir-lucas-samson-lukman/

Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Fundamentalist:
Baha'i faith considers all religion are from God ? Don't let something like this deceive you

where did you get Baha'i faith on his profile?. Wiki doesn't even display his religion affiliation

This is Mahmoud abbas in the masjid praying two rakat before Khutba. He isn't muslim abi?. Kontinu



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F9ekahMl8M

Demmzy15:
This is a thread about the Palestinian issue not about military bases. You can open another thread for that, I've noticed that whenever discussions aren't going in your favor you begin to derail!

I simply made analogy

fundamentalist,

You don't get it, do you?. With your eyes open or close you see quite right there are different factions in Palestine that are against M. Abass. I was never his fan due to his stance but this doesn't make him less muslim. Why do you focus only on him{PLO}?. My stance is only on Quranic approach. It seems to me you don't know islamic eschatological stance on this issue.

Hell with their so called 'aid' after lives have lost. Your reasoning is flawed. If israel is bombing them again the best thing for you to say is "they( palestinians) don't have correct tawhid"?. You know how silly that sounds?. This is the same thing some people who share the same methodology as you said in 2008 when israel was bombing those people. This is crazy

Stalwert:
So let's assume all of PLO followed nationalism ( of course the prophet Muhammad pbuh warned against tribalism) does that mean there isn't a soul in Palestine that follows Islam who we should fight for? Does that mean the prophet's teachings that we should do justice in our dealings with even unbelievers means nothing? Does this mean we shouldn't fight for oppressed people who reject Islam but nevertheless are being oppressed? There is always a danger in seeing something from one prospective and that is why I said the Quran speaks on several aspects of human life. That the PLO took to nationalism doesn't mean every Palestinian followed suit. The issu of Palestine transcends PLO as the Israelis are perpetrating ethnic cleansing, murder, destruction etc. Focusing on just PLO and ignoring the more horrible things going is just not on anyone interest.

you mind him, as if PLO is the only faction in the region

^ if tawhid is in every ayah of Quran, which i don't dispute, why did the Sheikh seek protection and refuge from non-muslims to set up their military bases on the land of the prophet(s)?

Fundamentalist:
The Palestinian struggle is seen more by the Arabs as their struggle my friend.

The leaders of the movement are not Muslims.

If we are to following the Qur'an. The Jews are never to be trusted in any form of agreement. Do you know how many agreements, accords and so on that has been agreed between Arabs and the Jews regarding Palestine right from early 20th century.

Did you know that the same Palestinians in collision with Egypt and Syria were responsible for the fall of the last Islamic caliphate (Ottoman empire). What happened at the end of the day

I watched an interview regarding this issue by Al-Jazeera three days ago, the person who was interviewed is a senior adviser to the Palestinian president, he was asked what would be the next step taken against trump for declaring Jerusalem as the Israeli capital, all he could answer was that , "we (Palestinians) are peaceful people and we are open to dialogue" . she oro niyen


This is the reason the west see fundamental Islam as a threat, even professor Huntington the author of clash of civilizations made this statement

I really don't want to hear flimsy story about palestine being part of the decline of Ottoman. Too late to come up with this bs. We know the story.

As for the man who was interviewed, i am not really disputing Fatah faction. I have told you before that's the reason they split. Did you not seen this on national news in 2005 when sectarian fell out within palestinians?. I am afraid that you guys are being fed nonsense to give up on ard muqadasa. This is the last Ummah. There is no Ummah after this. This is the only Ummah that believe in Allah and the Last Day, and this is the Ummah to inherit the earth(Holy Land). If you insist that those leaders are not muslims bcus they did not rule by God's Law but for themselves, then, the same logic applies to a Sheikh who issued fatwa in early 90s to seek refuge and protection with non muslims to set up their army bases in Saudi and its vicinity for the sole purpose of safeguarding and protecting them from their "enemies" (fellow muslims). In another word, this is alliance which Qur'an forbids, and by your logical reason, they too are not muslims.

Overall, it seems you dont get it. You are indirectly saying that if Israel starts bombing them again, we should just say "it is their (palestinians) fault bcus they deviate from tawheed and sunnah". This makes sense to you?. You know this is the same thing they said in 2008 and 2014. This is the excuse they gave for not helping those people militarily. There is no ummah after this. If they (palestinians) make mistakes or deviate still doesn't make them any less muslims. This is the last Ummah. No matter how much they are "misguided" as you want me to believe, there is no new ummah to take over. When bani israeli deviated, Allah replaced them after their second failure. This Ummah will not be replaced. So now, what if they have "tawhid" which you claim they don't have, and then israel still bomb them, what are you gonna do about it?.

I am sorry man, what you are preaching is irrational and defective.

^^

Nice one God bless your hustle.

Fundamentalist:
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sir, this doesn't prove anything. There is nothing wrong enjoying yourself. Other arabs attend concert and have fun too. I don't understand what you are trying to prove.

In the time of the prophet (saw) in the phase of war, they still organized their wedding parties. They ate and danced.

What the problem? .

Fundamentalist:
Egypt, Syria and Jordan jointly fought a war against the Israeli state in 1967 .

It was not Islam vs Israel war rather THE ARAB -ISRAELI WAR.

today we have the Arab league not Islamic league. They are pro secular governments.

Saudi has a majority Muslim population, they have about 10-15% shites population , 2-5% Christian population and also Idolator 1%.

I'm not here to defend the Saudi government. What I'm saying is Muslims should wake up to realities of their religion.

Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world over 200 million (95%) , yet they cannot implement Sharia law. Talking about it in public is seen as an act of treason.

The same applies to Turkey, they did way with a lot of Islamic practices just to become a member of European union, did they get there ? They banned beards, hijab, dressing the list is endless just to please the kafirs . so, what is the use of banning Islamic practices and yet you call yourself a Muslim. Its Hippocracy. This was one of the many reasons Allah cursed the Jews in the Qur'an (read sura baqara for more).

So please tell me what is the use of having a majority Muslim population and you are afraid of practising your religion (islam). The answer is simple , you don't practice what you preach,, which is " there is non worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is his messenger " meaning tauheed .

So let's translate our sayings into actions if we have tauheed, Indonesia is a good example.

that's the young turk's turkey's problem. He was ally of the Jews and stuff and even made attempt to have Muslims pray salat in English but failed. Still don't get how this affect the issue of Palestine?. Are you saying Palestinians don't have tawhid is the reason they are in this situation? . That's the point. And that point is the weakest if the weak this sheikh raised.

Emp.iree , your are a follower of Muslim brotherhood, when your people took over government in Egypt in 2011 , after all their propaganda and noise against the Israelis. Muhammad morsi signed a peace treaty with them true or false.

They are the same people saying they would bring Sharia. Please spare me

We must go back to the basic principle of Islam which is tauheed

smh, I even opposed morsi's approach to implementing the law. He fell in the trap set for him. MB lacks wisdom. That's why they are in garbage bin now.

The least the Sheik could have said was to make dua for them and adviced them to be patient. I know he's not in a position to confront this world power but the excuses he gave are out of line.

And @fundamentalist, everything you said there dont exclude every Muslim. A Muslim is a muslim but may still not fully submit. That's level of Iman not necessarily out rightly tawhid. And the reason it is easier for Saudi Arabia to rule by Sharia is bcuz they are 100%. You can not compare that to other arab countries with mix of Christians. "Sharia Law" as we know it could not be easily implemented. Nigeria is a case study.

However, the case of Palestinian is not Palestinian or Arab issue as Western media want is to believe. It is rather Muslim-Jewish conflicts. This is why the sheikh is very wrong. Did he not study surat kahf and Isra very well to be able to decipher current affairs?.

I am aware of Mahmood Abass's stance. This is why there is opposition to his authority in the same clan. But in recent yrs he seems to be regaining his senses.

If your definition of tawhid is to be put into consideration, very well then, Saudi authority is also guilty of violating tawhid by their ungodly alliance. Who created Saudi and israel?. Don't they have internal and external conflicts too

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This is nonsense if you ask me. Don't take it personal. So much as the sheikh is right on emphasis on tawhid, what makes Muslim a muslim to begin with, isn't tawhid?.

So what tawhid is sheikh talking about?. He's rather paving way for excuses for Saudi and regional Muslim countries from helping those ppl. Are the Palestinians the only muslim country suffering?. How about kashmir, Burma Somalia etc they are also not upon tawhid?. Are they suffering bcuz they are deficient on tawhid?

What's beard gotta do with this? . If that's the case, do all arabs have beards?. Hosni Mubarak was clean shaved means he didn't have tawhid?.

All the Saudi kings have "sorry beards". Why dont they grow their beards like their shuyukh?. I find this statement irrational. It is a way for giving excuses. Muslims already have tawhid and everything has to be put in place. Time to study tawhid is inside the classrooms.

When sahaba were facing persecutions, was it bcuz their tawhid was deficient?. I know why the sheikh was saying that. It is a way of betraying the ummah to shift focus from Ard Al-Muqaddasa. If the Palestinians don't have tawhid, how come they still pray at masjid aqsa?. Who told you they don't have scholars? . There are scholars that emerged from there. In the face of persecution, diverting attention in the name of tawhid is rather irrational.

The same happened in the time of S.Umar (r) when he beat up gathering of dhikr which salafi used today to mean gathering of dhikr is bidah was the reason umar beat them?. Far from that. He beat them (if the story was true at all) bcuz they were doing dhikr at the time they were called to J!had. That's why he beat them up. But the story has been manipulated today. Likewise talking about tawhid as excuse to divert attention from reality, the sheikh needs to be flogged. Who told him the Palestinians don't have tawhid?.

That's why i won't be surprised if saudi and other Arabs eventually recognize Israel bcuz they have been israel allies covertly. Maybe he also failed to realize that the first CONDITION given by Allah in both Quran and Jewish scripture was tawhid. Jews violated that and second condition was the reason they were thrown out of Ard Al-Muqaddasa {Holy Land} the first and second time(Sura 17).

Allah has said the only people to rule over HOLY Land is Islam and Muslims i:e God's Law. Quran itself has predicted attempts by the Jews to return to the Holy Land in the Last Age. That's what we are experiencing. Tawhid is one thing on the side, this situation going on is another on the side. This is the same excuse given by Saudi shuyukh in 2008 and 2014 when Israel bombed Palestinians, they were talking about tawhid. If Umar was here today he would whip those shuyukh really bad the same way he whipped gathering of dhikr.

ShaheedBinAliyu:
SECTS ARE NOT MUSLIM AND THEY ARE NOT PRACTICING ISLAM. was trying to set her straight to islam path according to prophet muhammad and sahabahs

zip it and get off her thread. You are a confused fellow with little to zero knowldge. This is not how to do dawah.

ShaheedBinAliyu:
Laughing. . . .you that you do not know WHO OR WHAT IS A KHAWARIJ . . .dakun o . .how am i a khawarij? o ya explain. . . . .6 not

guy, why did you have to derail and mess up this thread?. The lady was in the process of learning islam and all you could do was to bring sectarian matters into this to confuse her. What's wrong with you?. Don't you have any sense?.