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Omo Ale ni man yi sha

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alBHAGDADI:
The Quran was compiled years after Mohammad. The hadiths that tell of Islamic traditions e.g fasting, ablution, 5 times prayers etc are all written in the hadiths by people who existed over 100years after Mohammad.

Quran was written down in his lifetime and was also reviewed by him more than once. All the traditions you mentioned in the hadith were practicalized by the prophet (p) himself not after. So what's your point. Unlike Jesus he wrote down nothing. Ppl only drafted letters that they plagiarized and attributed to Jesus. That's fraud

Wait o! How come you Muslims are not addressing the OP but are comfortably derailing the thread?.

if you read between the lines, you would see that onus is on you, op and your cohorts.

alBHAGDADI:
The Gospel is about Jesus Christ and was written by his disciples and witnesses. Jesus did not come to this world to write books.

Don't you think that you already flopped by your post?. You refute yourself already.

Imagine many yrs after your demise, some of your family members and friends write books about you. They all give different accounts of your life. Some say you were thief. Some say you were kidnapper. Some say you were highway robber. Some say you were a p!mp,some say you were alleged gay prostitute and only one family member writes different view that you actually a doctor. Who do you think the masses would believe?. Does everything up there makes sense to you?. If it doesn't, that's exactly how chronological gospels look to me

Rilwayne001:
Thank God I didn't waste my MB

i guess newsynews is a virgin on this subject. Your 2yrs old thread i just updated lately covers his request. He needs to go through that thread

Rilwayne001:
Well, I'm sorry but you are wrong. I didn't even bother to watch the video to ascertain your so called Bible truth. Perhaps you can help by pointing out the supposed truth so we can iron it out.

I actually watched the 15 minutes video posted by the op for benefit of the doubt. I'd thought they 'found' Bible of Jesus not knowing the dude was still quoting same old nonsense we already trashed

newsynews:
Let me make it easy for you Muslims. Since you say some Christians don't believe in Trinity, then join such Christians in disputing the biblical proves provided in the video. At least, you now have support.

In that case you have to tell us which bible. If we want to discuss this, you gonna have to use Gospel according to Jesus. Not Gospel according to every tom, dick and harry. You understand?.

The guy quoted from Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, which means every word spoken there was put in Jesus mouth. That's Called FRAUD. So present Gospel according to Jesus for better discussion. Otherwise, your argument is null and void

newsynews:
It's no like there is no division among Muslims too. They have Sunni and Shia divide. Should that stop me from tackling whatever they bring against Christianity? No.

Guy, your failure to address the video on the grounds of a divide in Christianity is just a way to excuse yourself from the truth which you can't tackle.

What are you talking about? My post perfectly addresses your concern but you failed to comprehend. Sunni and shia believe Allah is God and Creator. None believe prophet Muhammad(p) is God. We aren't talking about sectarianism here.


But in christianity, you have trinitarian who believe Jesus is God, part of God, son of God, one of the trinity. On the other hand you have unitarian who don't believe in this crap. So solve you differences first before you get muslims involved. Got it?



Example:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF3q5FvOKqc

udatso:
You better tell him oooo. It's like he is a new comer in this forum. or is it possible he doesn't know or believe there are Unitarians?

Possibly, but at the same time, he appears to acquainted with us for the fact that he mentioned our monikers perfectly.

newsynews:
Emp.iree ab.delkabir ri.lwayne001 vedaxc.ool aminu.santi uda.tso Friend.NG

come and watch this awesome video so that you won't go about ignorantly asking the stupid question "where did Jesus say, I am God worship me? "

when you sort this out with your fellow christians (unitarians), who don't believe Jesus is God, only then you can get muslims involved.

Btw, the David Wood of all people? He is quoting Bible according to others not Bible according to Jesus himself. Abeg, tell David Wood that he is not that smart

Rilwayne001:
Pyramids of Egypt were built by black Africans? Black African slaves, init?

I doubt I'll ever visit most of those Arab countries too. I hate racism. I hate racist.

No, Pharaoh Was A Nigga

Rilwayne001:
Algeria is indeed a very beautiful country; it's definitely one of the most beautiful country in Africa. But I'll pass. I'll rather remain in this slum without feeling any heat of racism and stigmatization rather going to a beautiful place where I won't have a rest of mind.

You may never even feel the heat of racism at all even if you live among racists. It also depends on how you comport yourself. I never for once experienced it personally. Fact is, rascist sh!t exists.

As for Farao, eleri ibu ni (ilorin accent)

{NEW vid} Speaking of marriage from 26 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glQhjS0rm9I

malvisguy212:
finally the moderator push this thread to were it can be deleted..............the post you quote came from an atheist , so you take an atheists post seriously ?

she was a Christian

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We would be going in cycle over and again. "The Day I Die" NOT 'THE DAY I DIED'...which means FUTURE TENSE.

His(as) body you are referencing is not from islamic sources. You are citing British, India and all that when Quran tells you CLEARLY that they follow conjecture. Why should a muslim rely on their archaeological works on this?. Why is ONLY Ahmadiyya accepted their result and not entire muslim world?.

The same people who claimed in their Book that nabi Musa(as) buried himself and you want me to accept their controversial research?. They are entitled to that.

Bayern Munich, the club's official website, announced the opening of an Islamic mosque at the Allianz Arena, a stronghold of the Bavarian club, and will be the first mosque in all world stadiums.




The initiative came after Frenchman Bilal Frank Ribery proposed to the club management that he wud be allocated a small room for prayer on the pitch for him and Muslim players.



But the reaction of the management of the club was unexpected, as they ordered to build a mosque full of players and Muslim fans with the presence of an imam and his office Islamic and science workshops and paid the management of the club 85% of the value of construction and the rest left to players and fans who want to contribute to the construction of the mosque.




This is the mosque. Watch the shoes where they are equipped with green light (vacant) and red (busy).




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9hTytUO3e0

Ndaud. Your responses are easily refuted about Ghulam, khatamm nabiy and not praying behind other Muslims. These are your violations. Busy now. Maybe later i have your time. Meanwhile a thread was created days ago and still ongoing


And pls brothers, respect op's wishes. He stated his intention at the beginning. He simply wants to hear from horse's mouth. That's fair. Try to understand that.

Wolesmile, here is the ongoing thread where some of your questions are answered.

https://www.nairaland.com/4154241/ahmadiyya-qadianiyya

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na wa o

sino:
AlBaqir mentioned that mut'ah is a solution to widows and divorced women, but he also mentioned that women can control their desires better than men, so it is still not a solution for these women, .

Myself would have disagreed with him. Mut'ah is definitely not. If you watched the video i posted earlier, the Sheikh provided solution to widows and divorced women.

lanrexlan:
s for it. There is no record of mut'ah during pre Islamic period that I know of.


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Thats right. I have posted it earlier. Nana Aisha(ra) narrated the four(4) types of marriages 'pre-islam'. Mut'ah was not mentioned

Aminu212:
Am afraid of surah nisah 24

Surah An-Nisa, Verse 24:
وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ إِلَّا مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ كِتَابَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُم مَّا وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُوا بِأَمْوَالِكُم مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحِينَ فَمَا اسْتَمْتَعْتُم بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَاضَيْتُم بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ الْفَرِيضَةِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًا

And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.
(English - Shakir)

Explanation needed please

Thats whats being unravelled since the beginning of this thread. You gonna have to read from page 0

lanrexlan:

Stop joor, disaya is used for physical attributes (a woman's chest) and not the same with desire. Or am I missing something??

dont let ssisiee and all other alhajas see you typed this

I guess someone else can clarify. Me no know other meaning o

Good lecture by Sheikh Adam (RTA)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93CsQFkJOlI

"And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion....." Q 2 V 120


It is never gonna stop. It is HATRED, ENVY and JEALOUSY.


It is "PAYBACK" time. Recall in the 90s, they wanted to christianize Nigeria from as far i can remember 1988 to 2000. They were funded directly and indirectly by US, UK and Israel to end Islam by the year 2000. I grew up in the 90s and i could see this transition going on. They invested heavily to quench islam but Allah said "....But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners". Q8:30



I will back up any muslim proposition for the cause of islam and muslims in nigeria PROVIDED they do it with wisdom. Their (christians) game is over. They had their time. Muslims who had no idea of what they did in the 80s and 90s, or those who were too little or knew nothing about it may see actions of muslim like Professor Ishaq Akintola as trying to 'divide' South West. Far from that. If only they knew what christians did, they would not think of that for a second.



So CAN need to either shut their trap or embark on christianisation of nigeria too. Maybe doing so (islamisation and christianisation) together would improve nigeria's economy and people's lives. Enough of complaints. Muslims did not complain when they were getting millions and billions of dollars from abroad to extinguish islam. USA categorically said they wanted to quench islam by the 2000. But God so good, He said said: "They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it."



Indeed, it has been over 17 years since their supposed plan, instead for islam to recede, not only does it grows, Islam sneaked into their own houses abroad. Truth be told, there were many muslims who indeed converted to christianity back then bcus of "miracle". I remembered a Yoruba pastor wearing white agbada and "anointed" handkerchiefs. He drove lots of crowd from all over south western states on weekend to a famous school in ijebu Ode for stupid miracles. I later learned from another reverted pastor to islam on ACADIP network that, that pastor was also part of Western larger scheme. Everywhere you go in the 90s, you will see christian banners including reclusive places. That's how desperate they were.



Even some rich muslims either converted to christianity or changed their muslim names to get access to world power crap. So money did not flow to muslims to promote their religion. It was during this time they sent many nigerian pastors to study christianity more in Jerusalem. They also sent average christians to Arab land to learn Islam and arabic. Not for the purpose of reversion but for the purpose of corrupting islam. That's why, dont be surprised if you read some alleged "islamic books" in arabic that appeared to be anti islam outright or mix of truth with falsehood.


They failed.


STUPID CAN.....excuse me

following....

It seems to me that we are just getting started on this. You are trying to inundate me with references since you could not see my argument about nabi Isa's(a s) lifeless body. Hence, you need to stay tune i bring up my references too. I have been so reluctant to this bcuz i believed you are pretty much aware of those ahadth in connection of Jesus, Gog and Magog and Dajjal. But since you chose to ignore all that, then, let's get started.

Mind you, in your very own narration of Qadiani, you have flaws in them about age of Isa (alaihi salam) and his eventual return.

Crescentholm:
The Holy Prophetsaw, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said: Gebriel informed me that every successive prophet has lived to half the age of his predecessor. And verily Jesus, son of Mary, lived to 120 years. erefore, I think, I may rea the age of sixty. (Kanzulummal vol 11 page 479)


ALLAMA ABU TAYYEB SIDDIQUE BIN HASAN says: " It is wrien in Zadul Ma'ad authored by HAZ IBNE QAYYAM, Allah's mercy be upon him, that the assertion that Jesus, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, was lied up at the age of 33 years, has not been supported by any Hadith and cannot, therefore, merit our belief. Shami has been quoted as saying that the truth of the maers is exactly the same as described by Imam IBNE QAYYIM. is belief of ascension of Jesus at the age of 33 years is based on the narratives of the Christians. It is quite clear from the Traditions of the Holy Prophet, that Jesus's spiritual ascension took place at the age of 120 years. (Fat hul Bayan vol 2 page 247)

I hope you also know there is another narration in your literature that says Isa alaiy salam was 125 at the time of his "spiritual ascension".


# According to rules of narration (riwayah): Hafiz Haithmi has called it Daeef (i.e. unauthentic). After quoting this narration he writes:

رواه الطبراني باسناد ضعيف ، وروى البزار بعضه أيضا وفى رجاله ضعف


“Tabarani narrated it with a weak chain and Bazzar also narrated some part of it and in its chain (also) is weakness.”
(Majma’ Al-Zawai’d Wa Manba Al-Fawai’d 4/67, Chapter on the illness and death of the Prophet)





In the light of rationality (diraya): According to the principle of diraya (i.e. rationality) as well, this narration is not acceptable. The narration gives the notion as if every Prophet lives half the age of the Prophet immediately before him. This cannot be true and thus can never be uttered by the Noble and Truthful Prophet (PBUH). If Jesus (PBUH) lived for 120 years then John the Baptist (Yahya A.S.) should have lived for 240 years but he lived less then the period Jesus (PBUH) remained on Earth. Moreover following this cycle we have to believe that Adam (PBUH) perhaps lived millions of years which cannot be true.





Moreover there is a lot of confusion regarding the wording of the of the narration which is even otherwise weak. In Ibn Asaakir’s Tarikh Damishq (47/482) and Ibn Saa’d’s Tabaqaat Al-Kubra (2/195) there are narrations that tend to convey as if Jesus (PBUH) lived for 150 years. Indeed these narrations are also of dubious narration like the one about 120 years.



Ibn Asaakir after quoting both these narrations says:

كذا في هاتين الروايتين والصحيح أن عيسى لم يبلغ هذا العمر


“It’s like that in these two narrations [about 120 & 150 years] and the truth is that Jesus (PBUH) did not reach this age.” (Tarikh Damishq 47/482)



Now, let's turn the tables, let me ask why Qadianis not take the narration in full and apply it to other issues? Does it not say, “And I have been told that there is no Prophet after other Prophet but he lives a life half then the one who lived earlier”? While it does, how could Mirza Qadiani be a Prophet for according to this narration?. if there ever was to be any Prophet after the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), he would live only 31 or 32 years, half of the Prophet’ (PBUH) age i.e. 63 years while Mirza lived far more. Verily this proves the fragility of Qadiani arguments.



And since you believe Qadianis believe more and more prophets will come "after" Rasullullah (SAWS), according to Qadianis Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib was a “prophet”. And it means with every new prophet his age will be half of preceeding prophet. A time will come when subsequent prophets will be 15 years, 7.5 years, 3.45 years….actually future prophets will be done with their ministry before they could reach age of maturity.




Now here is Qadiani/Ahmadi contradiction. Below quotes are gleaned from their literature.


"Hence, I shall prove in this book that Jesus (Peace be upon him) did not die on the cross neither did he go up to the heavens nor it should ever be hoped that he will return to the earth from the heavens; rather, he died at the age of 120 years in Srinagar in Kashmir, and his grave is in the Khanyar Region of Srinagar." (Maseeh Hindustan Mein, (Jesus in India) Roohani Khazain, vol.15, p.14)



"Authentic narrations of hadith prove that our holy Prophet (pbuh) said in the person of Jesus two such qualities were combined which were not present in any other prophet. Firstly, he lived his full life, i.e. he was alive for 125 years. Secondly, he toured most of the parts of the world�now it is obvious if he had ascended to heavens at the age of only 33 years, then the tradition of 125 years would not have been correct, neither he could have toured at such a young age of 33. These traditions are not only mentioned in the authentic and ancient books of hadith, but they are so popular among all the sects of Muslims that none can be imagined more famous." (Maseeh Hindustan Mein {Jesus in India}, Roohani Khazain, vol. 15, pp. 55-56)

Crescentholm:
Hazrat Mohyuddin Ibn Arabi states:"By Raf'a e Isa, peace be upon him, it is meant that his soul ascended to heaven. As it is essential for his soul to return to his real place or ultimate place of rest, and as it has not yet reaed its true perfection, in the last days most certainly descend to earth again, but with a new body. (Tafsir ul Quran Vol 1 Page 296)


Sheikh Muhiyyud din ibn Arabi adds: He is the prophet whom Allah raised to heaven aer he was seperated from his body and his relation with the material world was cut. (Fusus al Hikam, Fass 4, page 4546)

I hope you read this before posting?. You see tafsir you quoted shot your foot?.


# @ first bold, my question CLEARLY says he will return in contrast to your belief that Isa alaih salam is dead and will not return. So you refute yourself.



# @ second bold, my question remains. If his soul left his body, it means his lifeless material body is evidence of his death. Question is, where is the body?. There is no historical fact of this. But you brought up British and biblical reference to back up your point. Why not Qur'an since you said Quran is not silent on the issue?.


Apart from that, Quran says that they follow conjecture. "And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain." If his material body was on the ground, they would not have doubted or assumed or confused about his death. And they would have buried him and nabi Muhammad(saw) would have given us clue of the location just like Noah's ark. So you see confusion within your narration now?

Make Du'a For her

lanrexlan:
May Allah safeguard our Imaan and make us not to be slaves to our lower desires (Aamen)

And there many out there offering this common prayer "May God grant you your desires". Chai, sometimes i don't know if to say ameen to that du'a. I get confused.


BTW, Yoruba self get rich language coined in Arabic and English. "DESIRE" perfectly worded in yoruba "disaya" Di Si Aya still gives the same meaning. Incredible!

No sisters contributed on this thread bcuz it is not in their favor? It is men's WORLD

WORDWORLD:
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For instance


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Crescentholm:
WHERE IS THE BODY?

Brother, it’s no doubt that the basis Christianity is the THE DEATH AND ASCENSION OF JESUS a.s, though the Bible testifies to seeing him a.s shortly after crucifixion but he a.s later disappeared and THE FALASY OF ASCENSION CAME IN. It is reasonable to believe that Jesus a.s absconded to evade the second arrest if news of his whereabouts become known to his enemies just as Muhammad pbuh abscond from Mecca.

No doubt the Quran testifies to many prophets sent by Allah. Only the parts /aspect of the lives OF SOME OF THEM that seems important that was related in the Quran.

AS REGARDS ARCHEOLOGY FACTS, THERE ARE MANY THAT POINTS TO THE MOVEMENT OF JESUS a.s AFTER THE INCIDENT OF THE CROSS. Though I misplaced some, but Insha’Allah, I should be able to remember some.
* The essene brothers (or the 3 scrolls)
* The shroud of Turin
* Also a BBC documentary on the Tomb of Jesus (You can get that on YouTube).
* Jesus lived in India by Holger Kersten:
* The Crucifixion of Christ: A Fact, not Fiction by John Gilchrist.
* Jesus Christ did not Die on the Cross – A Cardiologist’s Perspective by Professor M M H Nuri

That’s what I can remember presently.

Sorry brother, why don't you stick to islamic text since you claimed Quran is not silent on this?. You are now quoting BBC, Christian book when Allah clearly informed you that they followed nothing but CONJECTURE. Why do you think i should believe biblical account?. I have not stepped out of islamic text. So why did you travel to christianity to convince me?


I am well aware of Amadiyah believe Jesus travelled to India. That's Ghulam theory. I have hindu and christian friends who claimed this theory as well. I can not take this as absolute truth since Quran doesn't say anything about it. You are however entitled to your view.

@bold shows your confusion. If he was seen moving after cross incident, is EVIDENCE he did not die.

Crescentholm:
IS THE QURAN TRULY TRULY SILENT ON THE DEATH OF JESUS?

“WamaWama Muhammadun I’ll rosul. Qad khalat min qablihi roosul…”
Meaning:

“Muhammad is nothing but a messenger. All other Messengers have passed on before him…”

Lol, only your translation used ALL. All standard translations did not use ALL. They used 'many'.

Crescentholm:
Surah An-Nahl, Verse 20:
وَالَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ لَا يَخْلُقُونَ شَيْئًا وَهُمْ يُخْلَقُونَ

Now those beings that some people invoke beside God cannot create anything, since they themselves are but created:

Surah An-Nahl, Verse 21:
أَمْوَاتٌ غَيْرُ أَحْيَاءٍ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ

they are all dead, not living, and they do not [even] know when they will be raised from the dead!

**As at the time these verses above was revealed to the holy Prophet pbuh, Isa a.s was among the being associated with Allah, and so is dead as Allah declared without ambiguity.

you are basically citing basic ayat that established 'CERTAINTY OF DEATH'