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AbuUthaymeen:
RUBBISH. . SUFI ARE KUFAR. I

it is clear you are a fool. Lazy and unlearned. You lack hikman, you adhab. I hope you amend your way before it is too late?

parisbookaddict:
your ad hominem says far more about you mr muslim

I don't even understand your language

iamgenius:
I didn't say that is what d shaykh said, I mean their careful methods of answering questions so that d answer wont be wrong. Why do people always want karaama? Is that what we should be thirsty of always? What is d meaning of A Source Of Karaama?

don't read it wrong. She's not seeking karama. Allah may bless anyone with it in anyway He desires. Deny karamat all you want. And karamat is not about being able to fly in the air.

AlBaqir:
# So, you can spare Shia and focus on your differences in "ways of Salat" first. When you reach conclusion (which you can never reach till Qiyamat), then come to Shia. We will even start from wudhu.

I wish you well.

This one is interesting 9 mins lecture. But it is surprising that this sheiklh (and salafis) reject this form of tawasul "Ola baba". "Ola anobi". That's, if someone begs you for something through or by means of your father or mother. The same is said of nabi(saw). This sheikh understands this view from this short video but why do salafis reject this form of tawasul?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cru-ITarlmQ

Alhamdulilah, he gives utmost respect for these two shuyuk (ra). The issue of kneeling he addresses in this video is very hard in Yoruba land as of present. May Allah make it easy for us. One thing we all can agree to is, doing so in yorubaland is not shirk (niyat). And i dont or wont condone my children kneeling for me.

AbuUthaymeen:
GATHER KE? ALL I DO IS LISTEN TO JABATA AND OTHER SUNNI LECTURES O. . I BEEN WAN GO THE AHLU SUNNA WA JAMAH M0SQUE WEY DEY ILUDUN SIDE. . THE DAY I STOPPED GOING IS THE DAY THEY SAID ADAM ABDULAH IS A MUSLIM. . . .and when i had a c0nversati0n with my elder br0 who is a sufi, he said their leader(fodil by name) do kum do kubura with them. . . . as i dey al0ne. .me myself, i am jammah coz am f0ll0wing kitab wa sunnah

You said sheikh Adam and sheikh Kamaldeen are kufar. Watch your fellow salafi sheikh gives utmost respect for sheikh Adam and sheikh Kamaldeen and even makes du'a for them. He quoted from their books. You have no excuse not to watch it. It is only 9 mins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cru-ITarlmQ

^

You dey mind them. Everything Is bid'a

iamgenius:
I'm not tabdi'e like AbuUthaymeen, but according to my knowledge about Islam and what I learnt from d fatwas of our shuyukh. Whenever they want to answer any question they dont only look at one side of d matter. Read Fatwas of Shaykul Islaam, And Shaykh Uthaymeen.

Oh well, it comes to what a shaikh said. Thats really not the point. The point is based on Shari'a. Her experiences from the dream may eventually be her source of karama if she follows up and observes Shari'a.

iamgenius:
Read what the OP posted again and look it from every sides.

What the sister experienced is exclusively to her. You cant call it bid'a. It is btw her and her creator. Not you.

^

Abeg, tell'em

Demmzy15:
A times your analogy are very weak and flimsy, so until one shut up that's when you've successfully defeated him? You've been on Nairaland long enough to know many mischievous people here, during the days of arguing with Christians, can you remember malvisguy212, the dude that doesn't give up?

Can you remember Truthman and other footsoldiers? Are you saying because they don't give up then they are upon truth?

Chaiiiii!!!

interfaith dialogue/debate will never go away but ideology can die. We ain't talking about christians here. We talking about someone whose ideology is off the cliff not outside of islam

Remember "Sheikh" Jabaru in the 80s and 90s, where is he and his ideology today?. DEAD! why?. Bcus Ulama collectively killed it. So Jabata's and his kafir/bid'a crooner here can not last provided there is no similar manhaj like his to refute him. Jabaru was refuted bcus entire Ulama's manhaj was 100% opposite his. But here it is not the case. Look how i 'killed' alhusunnah's nonsense. He doesnt last beyond page before i refute his nonsense. But with these brothers, i doubt they will ever shut him up for the fact that what he is saying is the same allegation(s) levied by these brothers as well against non-salafis.

Demmzy15:
You quoted him first, as far as I know. You're and that ahlsunnah guy are confused, you both don't what Bid'ah means. You're saying paper money while he says spoon, very confused!!!

Read yourself again

Those who understood the point i raised with respect to paper money grasped my point and the dude could not refute it

I dont think "Sophia" is remotely controlled. It is a program but it might be remotely control at some point. She is designed to eventually help in health care, physical therapy, education and customer service, according to an interview on CNBC.

Says:

"In the future, I hope to do things such as go to school, study, make art, start a business, even have my own home and family, but I am not considered a legal person and cannot yet do these things," she said.




https://www.voanews.com/a/mht-human-like-robot-mimic-facial-expressions-sophia-hanson-robotics/3251313.html


to do things mentioned above no longer require remote control in my opinion

Double Post

ikupakuti:
They dont need to put a control room close by, it can be done remotely from anywhere in the world.

You can design & programme a robot to perform a specific task perfectly but a robot that will act/respond to any accidental situation perfectly, through impulse, instinct, wisdom without nothing looking out of place, I still need to see its programme design.

Even we humans with our ruh & brain, we still need a lot of experiences, training, learning to nevigate our ways through accidental situations talkless of a robot that runs on batteries.

i won't deny this. Possible. Will look out for programme design

However, what you said reminds me of a Ghanaian guy in UK, who built a house in Ghana and watched live by security cameras from UK. One day his house was robbed while he is all the way in the UK and watching operation live. He called Ghanaian police and police round them up quickly. This system is in naija also but cost some 600k up with internet.

What you said resembles remotely controlled machines as seen in their American movies actually.

ikupakuti:
Lols I‘ll search for a video of onikijipa, where he talked about some powerful exploits of Sheikh Adam (ra) & post the link here.

waiting... but maybe have watched it but could be another one you meant.

You know onikijipa also attended MARKAZ & his dad is also a contemporary of Sheikh Adam.
His wife is the daughter of the treasurer of MARKAZ then, he said so in that video.

Interesting. Dont think i watched this before. A brother told me Onikijipa is junior to Sheikh Daud, Nda Solati(ra) and Sasili(ra). Really, many, including anti sufis, anti murkaz today studied directly or indirectly from Sheikh Adam. Majority have links including myself. I remembered i was at ile-keu when news of the Sheikh passing was announced, and we closed early. All my ustaz claimed to studied under Sheikh Adam one way or the other. So indirectly i benefited from Sheikh Adam's knowledge.

Sadly, the alfas we have today are mere arabic speakers, thats why there are so much arguements & misunderstandings.

Yup, what Shekh Habib said too. They speak lugha, read qira nicely and folks think they have it all. They are "protestants".

Wisdom & honesty are lost.

Absolutely. Onikjipa said this over and over. You can see their foot soldier hre tagging everyone 'keferi'.

People of old in this our yorubaland, just with the moral lesson from only 5 to 10 hadiths & a few Quranic lessons, they would live a virtuous life aided with IKHLAS, HALAL & HONESTY.

Haq

But today, you‘ll find someone who has studied & taught thousands of hadiths & could speak arabic through the nose but worse in character than firaoun.

Mudir murkaz is thier nightmare, whether they are sufis or otherwise. He said this too. Many of those old ppl basically keep quiet upon hearing so much noise about bid'a today. They let them bark. Imagine abde!kabir said Sheikh Adam doesnt have knowledge of hadith

Laago melo

ikupakuti:
Lols

But I think this is a staged interaction. Like there‘s someone in the control room talking through her.

She dey even crack joke

I doubt it was staged. I dont see any hint about this so far.
https://www.google.com/search?q=was+sophia+robot+cntrolled+from+hidden+room%3F&rlz=1CASMAE_enUS679US679&oq=was+sophia+robot+cntrolled+from+hidden+room%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57.13088j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The one i know was staged was artificial skeleton used by craig ferguson talk show some yrs back. There is some few feet (from camera) behind that one.

ikupakuti:
Ameen!



This is the simple matter some people are trying to deny today.

But then, like we said these virtues can be gotten through Godly or ungodly means, how many of todays alfas can endure to engage in those rigorous khalwa Sheikh Adam & his likes engaged in ? How many of them have such honesty ? These spriritual gifts when sought through Godly means only come through TAQWA (piety).

And we have got some mumu making takfir of bid'a and kufr of this great Sheikh. Another one even opened a thread titled "Sufis dont like to see knowledge". Was markaz institutionalized on of ignorance, smh.

What many of them have today is KASHF AZ ZULMANI (ungodly fisara).

Saaad

ikupakuti:
Lols

But I think this is a staged interaction. Like there‘s someone in the control room talking through her.

If we are talking of robots programmed to interact with one another thats one thing but throwing random questions to an unfamiliar (1yr plus) robot who has got little or no expirence of life, with such confidence ? I wanna see the details of her programme design.

The faculty of comparing & chosing section of the human brain is just too complex & intricate to nevigate merely on chance (random choice) & still come out accurate.

She dey even crack joke

highlighted, very possible but difficult to tell at this time. Will do a quick research

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nice one. thought a plot would cost from 5m up. thats discouraging. whats included in 900k?. i meant cleared title, deed or c of o, survey etc?

Are these gov acquisitions, family or private properties?

Raintaker:
Hadith is word of Allah?
I give up on you bro
Buhari compiled Hadith?
I am shaking my head.


Cc E.mpiree
See what your friend is saying.

He doesn't know what he is saying at all.

The guy is dull. His statements you quoted contradict his own ideology. He is a kid that needs to humble his ego and learn. He has a long way to go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3pGhNbNHEE

@ikupakuti,

If you can, please watch this from 34 mins. He is taking about ilm-firasa

I ask Allah to continue to shower His mercy on Sheikh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3pGhNbNHEE

This is really beneficial knowledge

If USA tells you that F .R .E .E means "free", my bother, dont be too excited. The true hidden meanings of the last two(2) Es is Extra Expenses that will cost you vindictively.

This baba is funny scientist. He said "mo ti so fun eyin doctors pe e mo science"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-MRbSZFOXs

that sh!t got me laughing hysterically ^^

AbuUthaymeen:
1. ALL SUFI ARE KUFAR (general takfir) .

Sheikh AbdulQadiri jilani(ra) was Sufi. was he kafir?

This should serve as future reference

AbuUthaymeen:
1. ALL SUFI ARE KUFAR (general takfir) . .its about the sect.. the sect, sufi is kufar and n0t all sufi is a kafir. . . .because s0me d0nt kn0w about real islam..they are ignorant. . i never said as l0ng as u a sufi, u a kafir.. if y0u are explained to and u understand that sufi is n0t part of islam and u are still defending sufi, then u a kafir. . . . . kapish? 2. I NEVER SAID I W0NT W0RK WITH A N0N SALAF PLUMBER.. w0rking with salaf plumber will make everything very easy.. YOU A LAIR..I NEVER SAID I W0NT W0RK WITH OR W0RK F0R N0N SALAF ..IRO E TI POJU 3. I DIDNT SAY I DIDNT KAL ANYBODY KAFIR...THOSE PEOPLE U MENTIONED DIED A KAFIR. THEY DIED AS A SUFI...yeah ikupati is a kafir..he reject rasul and f0l0w tijani and stil defending tijani just like u. 4. MUSLIMS(people who follow rasul).. u that c0mment is attacking rasul and ALLAH..u keep g0ing aGainst clear pr0of... 5. OTHER THAN BELIEVERS WAY = NOn BELIEVER'S WAY.. = KUFRU = BURN IN HELL. . . IJMAH SAHABAH LO WA NINU ISLAM N0T IJMAH ALFA ....VDt..

See how the guy is denying many things he said. He called anyone he perceived to be sufi kafir. He would not work with non-salafi plumber. He even opened a thread looking for salafi plumber only. At the time he opened that thread, i had major plumbing work to be done for entire new building. But he would not accept non-salafi plumber. So i excused him

He just lied that he didnt call ppl kufar. He called Saheikh Kamal, Sheikh Adam, Sheikh Ajani Bello, Sheikh Oniwasiagbaye and the list goes on. He called these people kufar. He can deny all he want. He called ikupakuti kafir too.

Evidence that he is the "only" Muslim in islam section is that he opened a thread recently and he insisted on only Muslim contributions. Interestingly, no Muslims on different manhaj contributed except about 3 of us and he declared of all kufar.

He also sad there is nothing like ijma in Islam but Quran refutes his nonsense. sūrat l-nisāa 114


And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination.


That highlighted blue line is ijma

ikupakuti is so right when he said they will get there. Just saw this video where sophia attended live talk show "Good Morning Britain"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWlL4KjIP4M

Damn, we might have lots of fake people already walking around with us

ikupakuti, I forgot i posted this over a yr ago on my thread

Empiree:
Seems We Are Getting There. This Cute Robot Is asked If She Would Destroy Human?. She said 'Yes'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0_DPi0PmF0

AbuUthaymeen:
Nice. . just try to attend sunni lectures there o. . I go like to kum dea.. help me with visa

Everything i presented so far is not sunni?. Is it shia's?.