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Demmzy15:
^^^Throughout the thread, he and tintingz tried smuggling homosexuality into the Qur'an. When Mrolai said the obvious, you begin to shield him.

You're one of those who has empowered this guy so much that he has misled a lot of innocent folks on this forum. Even if you didn't agree with Mrolai, must you post the above?

Fact is, every Muslim AlBaqir has misled here is also on your head!

AlBaqir:
Empiree, sabr for a minute

# Qur'an talks about "male servants that have no sexual desires for women" (sura Nur: 31)

EgunMogaji:
Very thoughtful video.

Sounds like what happened in 1974

tbaba1234:
But what we will not accept, and cannot accept is the imposition of their view on us. Forcing their moral values on ours. You cannot force us to change Islam, it will never happen. Our religion is perfect and comes from our Creator. The homosexual act is prohibited, it will remain so. A gay marriage is not recognised in Islamic law, it will never be recognised. You want to get married to a same-sex partner, its not my business. But you want to come into a Masjid and have me (for example) conduct the marriage ceremony? Sorry, not happening.

AlBaqir:
# Em.piree, like I said earlier to ikupakuti, story of Nabi Lut was a narration of what happened over a long period of time. Punishment did not just come straight away as you guys imagining.

# Second, it was the whole community of Lut that Allah destroyed. Meaning that was the prevalent acts everywhere to everybody then. This again I told ikupakuti.

# Third, this is the era of Muhammad, sharia of Muhammad. Effeminates were present in the society of, at the time of Nabi Muhammad, may my life be of sacrifice to him,. How were they treated? Hence, what is Islamic solution for these people?

# You can save your time like ikupakuti by saying: "they should be killed".

AlBaqir:
^^^

# Empi.ree, on what basis you reject scientific research? On the basis of "many of them are atheists"? That's not good enough. These people have save lives and make the best out of health related issues. In fact their contributions to the progress of humanity is far greater than what " sheiks, Alfas etc" will ever contribute.

AlBaqir:
# This is where we need Muslim scientists and researchers that will dwelt into contemporary issues. People are having sexual and other medical related issues. Haemaphrodite for example. What is Islamic solution to it. Shia Ulama believe such person can undergo a transgender surgery and assumed new sex identity after doctor weigh which percentage of it sex is high. That's a case.

# Scientists believe "homosexuality" is a "genetic disorder". Obviously, some are not but habit development. And some were forced into it and it become part of them. And some go into it as a form of rituals.

# All these as you said, Islam forbid homosexuality in one word.

# There are various level of severe punishment for those who engage in it. Just like "burying somebody halfway and stone him/her to death" in the case of zina, which I don't believe in anyway, people still engage in zina. It is more of an habit, inability to control desires. Yet, Islamic laid down conditions before this punishment can be established make it MORE difficult or impossible for such punishment to be carry out.

However, if truly there are some "homos" born with this sort of "sexual defect" which is the cause of their desires mentally/psychologically (naturally), don't you think they need help: medically, psychologically and spiritually than killing?!

AlBaqir:
Empi.ree, Rilwayne001, tingtingz, Lanrexlan, Demmzy15, Sino, etc

# This is a very good documentary titled, "Atheists everywhere". Nobody is refuting or rebutting or hating or castigating nobody here. Its about views and views of everybody in the society. No doubt the western society is fast driven towards Atheism, and Muslims in those societies are moving enmasse with the tide. Its a big concern really!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7TFblP9Y9c&itct=CCUQpDAYAyITCLOyt9PKhtUCFZqDVQodt4cL9DILYzQtb3ZlcnZpZXdaGFVDWkhEWDFZT0l5czd0SGdFelR6Zy1xdw%3D%3D&gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google

tintingz:
This is one of the irrational post in this thread.

You haven't answer how gays exist among animals or you just wanna act ignorant?

People in Saudi knows homosexuality is a criminal offense with harsher punishment yet there is still gays in that country?

Keep assuming about the imaginary venom, you have not prove any point.

AlBaqir:
Empiree, sabr for a minute




# Qur'an talks about "male servants that have no sexual desires for women" (sura Nur: 31)


# Then this hadith confirmed another class:
Sahih Bukhari documents:

Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
The Prophet ( s) cursed the effeminate men and those women who assume the similitude (manners) of men. He also said, "Turn them out of your houses." He turned such-and-such person out, and `Umar also turned out such-and-such person


Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6834
In-book reference : Book 86, Hadith 60
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 8, Book 82, Hadith 820 (deprecated numbering scheme)
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/86

# Now, let me put aside my reservations for the above hadith.


Perhaps, the effeminates were transgender, and not necessarily homosexual. A transgender woman is a woman with a male body. Such a person sees herself as a woman even though she has a male body. So, she is never attracted to women. A gay man, by contrast, is a male with a male body but a female brain.


# What exactly are the kind of "slave" Quran was talking about? It is possible they were the same as the ones being talking about by the above hadith, or could it be a case of "castration" (perhaps from former slave masters)?! Whichever way it is, those people were present at the time of Nabi as they are at our time.


# Knowing exactly those men Qur'an was talking about will give us a way forward how Islam really treated them. Qur'an seem to be relax on them unlike that hadith which asked they should be turned out as against "killing" which is the "sharia ruling".

# Turning them out, and then what would happen to them? Either way (exile or to the society), they continue being who they are.

* Islamic solution per se?

AhluSunnah:
Sufi ni na.. Ko tuntun..

AlBaqir:

Jabata's criminal deputy in Ibadan, Abu Ibeji in his crazy lecture Rodu on genotype and family planning, claims "Sheik Akindele used to check one's palms to know his future".

MrOlai:
The similitude of any conscious Muslim taking you(Albaqir) as a friend is like a person you abuse and curse his parents day and night, and yet the person still keeps you as a friend!

For your close friend Empi.ree, everybody here knows him as " ثم ا منؤ ثم كافرو"! He is like a chameleon! He is always here aiding and abetting you in insulting and cursing the companions and wives of the Prophet (SAW) and yet he claims to be a Muslim!

For other sincere Brothers here who still consider Albaqir as a friend, you're indirectly aiding and abetting him in insulting and cursing the companions and wives of the Prophet (SAW) if you do not know. Remember this is khufr!

It is high time you took a firm stance and distance yourself from him. Perhaps, he will have a rethink about insulting the companions and wives of the Prophet (SAW).

impossible27:
People don't know homosexual is a genetic disorder. that why i always laugh at people blaming them. what do the people want them to do? change their genes

AlBaqir:
# Now you need special deliverance (ruqya).
Rug, carpet are still floor?!

# Empiree, please what's the address of Islamic psychiatrist?

#

AhluSunnah:
Aqeedah, actions and doings according or that matches rasul

Trottle:
How can a scholar;

1. Hold the hands of a non-mahram lady during a lecture of his, I think "Alhaja" Tayebi or one of those female singers, I can't recollect.

2. How can one of the Ummah of Rasulullah (S.A.W) claim he follows Prophet Nuh (sent to another Ummah entirely) while selectively following Rasulullah. What do you think? (Enlighten me on this).

3. Why should a scholar openly claim he has charms leaning on the negative side terming it "asiri" (secret). He mention this in a lot of his sermons.

4. Why should a person like him talk condescendingly about the leader of the Muslim Ummah in Nigeria; the Sultan of Sokoto and idolizing his own emir.

5. Why should an Islamic scholar associate and thoroughly mingle with Musicians which Islam does not support. To the extent of even becoming a "personal Alfa" of sort to them.

6 Why should a Ustaz extremely profess his love for material wealth.

7. Why should a Ustaz pray for anyone using a name not affiliated with Allah

8. Why should a Ustaz charge exorbitant amount or even any amount for spreading Islam or coming to lecture.

9. Why should a Ustaz speak condescendingly at others and also exude pride and arrogance not known among sheikhs'? (The way he sometimes talks to those rulers and elders that attends his lecture).

AhluSunnah:
Aqeedah, actions and doings according or that matches rasul

AhluSunnah:
Absolutely NO. its ur aqeedah, actions and doings that can grant jahnah as long as it is according to rasul.

AlBaqir:
# Those are even the old papas.

# In the real Iranian accent, "waw" is "vav" e.g Jawad in Arabic, its "Javad" in Farsi accent.

# "Dhal or Zal" in Arabic accent is "sol" in Farsi accent. Just like "wa la dhãlîn", it is "va la sõlîn" in Farsi accent.

# Just like our old papas in Yorubaland will read, "wala lãlîn".


Case of Bilal
# Bilal (radiallahu anhu) will recite " as' adu..." instead of "ash' adu...".

This altogether, some learn how to adjust to the proper Arabic pronunciation, some simply cannot adjust finding it very difficult.

# However, the youths have taken over everywhere.

AhluSunnah:
OLODO NI E.. lo sun.. u know absolutely n0thing about islam. and please do n0t quote me again. .