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I guess you are Jabata's deputy now. You now have your logo "OLODO OLODO NI E" just like your mentor, "Keferi ni won now".

By the way, how about Sheikh Abdul Qadri Jilani, who is he to you?. Was he a muslim or not?

Thats messed up ^^ i rather prepare my own food

AlBaqir:
# Says who? It is the fear of sharia that surpress them coming public. Turkey is a Muslim country, they don't use sharia. They record highest homosexual relationships in Muslim world. Most of homos that ran away from Saudi, Iran, etc are fleeing to Turkey. Muslims, wake up. We need scientists of high repute, psychologist, psychiatrists, etc to present serious problems to the Mullahs, and via it fatwas should be established.

No, they need to be whipped and locked up with women. Their preference would change really quick
Most of those top "pushers" are like firaun. They dont really engage in the act but they condone it which means they know it is wrong. There are bunch of scientists in the West. Did they find solution or keep on encouraging it in the name of "homogene"?

So scientists have little to nothing to cure anything.


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AlBaqir:
# Nobody is talking of Islamic government leaving them alone.The factor and cause of that evil acts need proper identification, and solution should be established.

how about those claiming their right over it? bcus that's where they are heading.

# By now, you ought to have get the underlined out of your head. Please stop making such statements. You as a person, why do you reject "stoning to death"? Was it not because it can't be found in the Qur'an? And what you believed in [flogging] is less in punishment than "stoning" which hadith established. Homosexuality is worse than Zina. Any punishment for it is in controversial hadiths just like stoning.

controversial or not, islamic govt by countries have laws in place against it. Ofc it varies since there is no definitive hudud for it in the Quran. So this is not even issue. Besides, i should ask you where is your evidence from kitab and sunnah that homosexual is haram bisdes one evidence established in the time of nabi Nuh(as)?. Reason i asked is bcus you seem to go against any form of punishment for them but you recognise it is haram. This is contradiction. If something is haram and it is done in the open to the point of claiming rights, govt has the right to step up. How they do it is matter of ijtihad not condemnation.


Fasad is something evil that start small to the degree of macro level. Homosexual fits that perfectly and it is anti procreation.


DEFINITION of Fasad

Fasad (Arabic: فساد‎‎ /fasād/) is an Arabic word meaning rottenness, corruption, or depravity. In an Islamic context it can refer to spreading mischief in a Muslim land, moral corruption against God, or disturbance of the public peace.

AlBaqir:
# I never ever remember where I made mention of western gay or their right. Those are what you guys keep on assuming just like you are assuming the sexual acts of homos instead of individuals and factor that caused it (effeminates). Please, you guys should stop assuming and do not put what people did not say in his name. That's cruel. Only shameless engage in that.{

ofc, this should first approach for anyone bcus the nonsense emerged from their to begin with. So you cant really blame us. It is not a practice known in the muslim world. As you could see when they raised the issue with Africans, they were faced with very strong backlash. So you made it sound like you condone the practice initially.


How old is the practice up north?

tintingz:
Saudi Arabia laws(sharia) is the cause of creating homosexuality in their country if extreme separation is the factor and they are killing homos on what they caused. Irony.

I know the trick you are trying to play. Their law has been in existence for far too long now. They do need to make some rectifications but definitely not the way you tried to paint it. Dont they have same in the West where the law allows for worst evil and crimes to thrive. Example is "Gun Law". Why is it difficult to get rid of gun from Americans?. The moment you push for rectifying gun law, they will call for your head. See how they put pressure on Obama and he had to drop out. Yet guns are still killing criminal, law enforcement and most importantly innocent people.

Also, US constitution allows for homosexual to thrive. So what are you saying

AlBaqir:
# Second, I challenge you and whoever, to bring Allah's explicit punishment (hadd) on "homosexuality". Please am sick of the people of Nuh. That is an entire qawm, and it took a long donkey years before Allah wiped them off when they persisted in their sin. Today, in Islamic countries, the punishment for homosexuality varies due to different ijtihad. What your hadith says is " if you caught them in the act, bring them out and kill them". Some choose beheading, some choose burning alive, some even go to the extent of passing red-hot iron via. their anus and leave them to die via bleeding (e.g Iraq), etc.

I think you missed the point though. Islamic govts do have right to implement punishment. There was no set of rule for them in the time of Nabi nuh(as). Allah wiped them off the face of the earth was an indication that is fasad. Fasad is something that not only corrupts but destroys. Should the islamic countries leave them alone until punishment comes where both involved and those who do not pay the price?.

Claim that there is no precise punishment for homosexual is quite lame. Quran is silent on the issue does not in any way makes it halal. Homosexual is anti-procreation and spread of more diseases. It is fvking disgusting. And i have cited hadith which speaks of destruction of arabs should there be prevalence of evil. That evil is manifest in Arab world today and it is not only gay by the way. So expect destructions of them which is around the corner. The worst part is that if they are silly enough to legalize it.

AlBaqir:
# Em.piree, two question please.


You brought up a factor that/that can affect someone to be attracted to gay'ism/lesbianism; extreme separation of men and women. Note, I agree to this because I have seen practical examples myself.


Now, in your own opinion, should these affected people be taken out and beheaded (or whatever punishment is prescribed) as one hadith says, "once you see them, kill them" or they deserve a chance to live whereby the cause of their predicament be remove and proper rehabilitation should be given to them?


# Second, you gave us a bit of your storyline. Add that your story to the extreme stories in the link I asked you guys to read (an Egyptian and Iranian). Don't you think if not because of the fear of God, and perhaps "Muslim society" you (and they) are/were in your case might be exactly like the worst cases of the western gay?

First, it seems we all thinking from different angles. First, base on scripture. Second, base on society. I never for once believed they exist in Arabia until perhaps recent months. And my thought was that they are those men and women screaming for "my rights, our rights" etc. That's, those influenced by western culture. I only got to realize extreme segregation could also affect it bcus u made me remembered the lady in 2014 who was extremely separated from males by her parents and they are not even Muslim. But this is not the case largely in Western culture. West approach in effrontery to Divine Law which is what is FORBIDDEN.

West believe it their rights mentality and they took step further to legalize it and issue licences. This, ofc, crossed the line. It is this movement that tend to cook up bogus scientific evidence to back up this silly act. So this deserves to be punished bcus they do it out of gross violation of Divine Law. This is the common gay type we are talking about.

The second type that i referenced and that of Saudi, it is like a thief living in abject poverty and he steals. Sharia says to review economy situation of the accused right?. Fix his problems and it is only after this, if he persists in stealing, then, punishment is carried out. So there is due process. But it seems to me that those gays in Saudi are claiming and pushing for their "right". This is crossing the line. You can't claim your rights on something that is clearly in violation of the scripture. It like claiming your right to commit illegal intercourse whether it is consented or not. I would suggest govt relaxes segregation law. There should be moderation. We can't live btw the two extremes. West allow free mixing and we know and see many consequences of this. Extreme segregation also has its side effect.

So bottom line is, gay is Saudi appears to be claiming rights just like in the West. Hence, punishment is due. They rather go for some sort of rehab than claiming stupid rights. If they get arrested and killed by law, they are OYO

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Demmzy15:
No be you accept that conclusion. There are many factors that causes some men to see themselves as gays and segregation isn't one of them.

Dont even assume for a second that i am trying to encourage "free-mixing". Thats not the point. The point is extreme segregation is not healthy. For instance in the US, muslims tolerate "mixing" in instances like banquet, fundraising where 4 or more people sit at a table at once. They may have 3 females and 1 male sit at round table. This is not problem. But in salat, absolutely no. Take a look at the attachment. I took the picture in 2014 during fund raising organized by CAIR. We were 5 at this table. The women and me. Faaji repete

When a child is born, for the first 2 years of his life, he gets the attention of his mom mostly. After this, he begins to get attention of his father. A situation whereby his dad doesn't give him this attention tends to affect him, this is why there's a wisdom behind man and woman getting married and bringing up the child!

me dont know how this is related.

tintingz:
There are Christian scientists that does not go against giving gays their rights(even if they hold the position that there is no gay gene) but that Dr. Paul R. McHugh is well known to be the only anti-gay right.

we aren't even taking about their rights here. They have rights (whatever they are) in a country that condones them. But they should not have the right to leadership in Islam even is a country that condones them. Like for instance, being gay and being imam at the same time.

AlBaqir:
# That's western law not God's. Allah give conditions to His before implementation of punishment. Don't overlook that.

isn't conditions we also talked here?.

Double post

Demmzy15:
If that's the case, all Saudi men should be gays then!

how did you even manage to think like this.

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AlBaqir:
# Islam don't apply law like you guys and ISIS et al are. That is "once caught, kill, stone, behead". There are conditions to it, one of which is " why did the criminal committed the crime". Unfortunately, you have an hadith which says "once you caught them, kill them".

You make it sound like this. In western world, dont they have law in place where it says something like "anyone caught with mortgage fraud would face wrath of law". Does that mean they dont go through due process?

And how many of you put these into practice beyond text?.

When someone is sick now, you head straight to Christian hospitals where they charge exorbitantly and you start asking for donations. And the people amongst Muslims who gave it a shot you call them "alhubidah".

You believe in text but when it comes to converting text to reality you miss road

tintingz:
Go and know what science and experiments means. Science update, evolve in research, in 2015-2016 the only psychiatrists going about that there is no gay gene is Dr. Paul R. McHugh a fanatic Christian crusader who is know to be anti-LGBT, he has been debunked by other scientists.

And what makes you think those scientists are not pro gay just as much as the Christian is accused of being anti LGBT?

Answering tintingz, with respect to gays in saudi. Writer says further.

So clearly, they don't even talk about "homogene" bcus it doesn't seem to exist. Homosexual in Arabia is caused as a result of EXTREME SEPARATION. Got this? .

tintingz:
Empiree is yet to answer why there are homos in Saudi Arabia and among animals.

I already told albaqir this on another platform and thank God, I see someone who shares same view. So clearly, most homos in Saudi are as a result of extreme separation from both sexes not gene.

I don't believe in extreme separations of males and females.. there should be some levels of moderation. I also gave albaqir example of a friend''s friends in America whose parents were too strict. She was not allowed to see males and they are not even muslim. The lady becomes gay bcus of this. Nothing like gene

AlBaqir:
# Its unfortunate you are not consistent. If you say, "he needs to understand that homosexual is fasad", obviously you are saying I am campaigning it is not.

Please try to be consistent.

that was a response to his claim that u prefer therapeutic measures for convicted gay. Maybe I should ask, in a country where homo sexual is outlawed, if a gay man or woman is cut by law, tried and convicted, what should punishment be?

Read a report yesterday published in 2015 says there is no "homo gene". Another one came up this yr said there is homo gene and it complicated their findings and research by given irrational explainations to covington folks.

I repeat that it is a scam and am attempt to make us believe that gay were born gay. I don't even want to give them excuses. If there are truly Pele born with such defect but have no sodom tendency, one of the solutions to their problem is to lock them up with opposite sex to call their brains to order

Weer should be able to make clear difference from people born with the defect from those taking advantage of it. Those taking advantage are most common today. You heat them say " I have always have this feelings that I'm attracted to same sex for yrs but I'm afraid to say this in the open".

ikupakuti:
but Albaqir is pushing for therapeutic measures for convicted homos & abolition of the capital punishment. He said he used to believe in stoning/beheading but not anymore & thats whats putting him @ loggerheads with people here.
Ask him or go through his posts.

well, he needs to understand that homosexual is fasad and we know punishment for fasad in the Quran even though there is no direct punishment for gay.

Someone doing gay thing in his or her privacy is one thing but legalizing it and issuing marriage certificate is another thing entirely. This is like overruling Allah's Law. This is making halal what Allah has made haram. This is kufr.

A convicted gay in country where homosexual is outlawed is punishable offence regardless of whether the adults consented or not. It is up to authority to decide to rehab them or give them second chance or not. But to push for eradication of penalty just not gonna work.

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Islam tI ko eran mero

ikupakuti:
What albaqir failed or refused to grasp here is that abnormality or deformity in nature @ birth is an entirely different issue from the act of sodomy. Once he agrees that there is no excuse under the shari‘a for a man to penetrate a man/woman through the anus then this issue would be solved.
#Whatever therapy (out of necessity) you want to seek for those whose nature are epicene in either sexes must incline towards the type of sex organ they came with or that which is paramount in the case of those hermaphroditic. There is no harm to seek hormonal treatment for a man with a male sex organ who feels less manly in order to feel more manly.

In sofar whatever is responsible for your confused mentality didnt deem it fit to provide you, as a man, with a v-jay, then your fate is already sealed with the sex organ you came with.

I don't tell am now. Me and him don discussed this on another platform. I cited examples too. This aint gay thing. Homosexual is something they invented for themselves and voluntarily engage in.

Fortunately though, albaqir recognized homosexual, gay, sodomy and whatever it is called to be haram. That's seals it.

AlBaqir:
The mukhannath, according to later Muslim lexicographers, mostly identify “as a man who resembles or imitates a woman in the languidness of his limbs or the softness of his voice” (Rowson, , p. 673). Mukhannaths, therefore, are people who are born with male sex organs. This was also the understanding of the term held by the early Muslim lexicographers who believed that the term mukhannath was derived from khanatha, which means "to fold back the mouth of a waterskin for drinking.” Therefore, “mukhannathun were so called on account of their languidness … while a languid woman was called khunuth .” (Rowson, , pp. 672–673). Though this meaning of mukhannath somehow concurs with prophetic traditions (hadiths ), it is not the same as hadith's description of the term. Therefore, some other Muslim lexicographers, such as al-Khalil b. Ahmad (d.c.170/786) in Kitab al-Ayn, believe mukhannath derives from khuntha , or hermaphrodite/intersex, on the basis of parallel gender ambiguity (Al-Khalil, , No. 4, p. 248; Rowson, , p. 673). According to the latter, a mukhannath is a hermaphrodite/intersex person and, therefore, would be categorized in that group. But, according to the former meaning of the term, mukhannath is a male with effeminate behavior. Therefore, it “does not explicitly describe sexual organs, sexual behaviours, or sexual orientation” (Kugle, , p. 241). Later on, in medieval times, mukhanath also came to be used for those persons who took on a passive role in same-sex acts (Rowson, 1991, p. 693).

this describes me growing up. I had baby face, soft spoken, soft skin, shy like women, women level of thinking and pop once called me "dense". Yet i am 100% a man. People this category simply need exposure to break it off. Now I am a freaking dude bold voice, masculine statue but unfortunately, skin remains soft and thats pissing me off

AhluSunnah:
QURAN 42:21 SURATUL L SHURAA.. ALL BIDA IS KUFRU

Olodo jati jati. Thats what the verse is talking about?. Olodo ni e

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No difference btw y'all

haffaze777:
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I never doubted his condition or your claim

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Really this thread needs NL award

Proof is in Y'all

I would not even suggest this is fake considering trend of kidney problems many are having these days. Is there any treatment he is currently going through to suppress pains and further complications?. He should definitely have something going pending donations bcus, truly, many have contributed greatly to this thing and it never ends. Have you guys ever tried legit non-orthodox treatment?. I suggest you do at least for the time being pending full donations.

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