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Islam › Re: Are We Going To Keep On Looking? by Empiree: 7:01pm On May 02, 2017*

Alennsar:
pls Wat is d essence of Sufi because here in Abuja Sufism is nothing but pure shirk been practiced by the people and you know d funniest part if you ask hundred people Wat is Sufism you will get 100 different definition.

salaam

Well, i dont defend group or people. Whoever you asked about it in Abuja might be jahil people. Its essence is clear from Kitab and Sunnah and every muslim do it everyday. Even it is going on at Kaaba right now. What do you think they are doing there?. They do it 24/7. Click on my signature and see what they are doing.

Now the difference is Kaaba is one. We dont have it in Nigeria and other places. Therefore, Ulama outside of Mecca invented the idea. They said do you have to go to Mecca before you can make istigfar, subhannallah, and other glorification of Allah?. That we should be able to do it anytime anywhere any day base on evidence gleaned from Qur'an itself. This is why they have program like sunday "as-salatu", zawi and other gatherings you can think of. Let me ask you this, are you Yoruba speaking fellow?. I asked bcus i think i should just send you video clips to watch. You simply have to take your time and listen.

If you are interested i can post them here and you listen to them as much as you can. Everything these salafis people are condemning now were discussed btw Nigerian shuyuk and Saudi shuyuk.

Now can you tell me 2 to 3 things those people in Abuja do?. I just want to get a clue.

So basically, i think you should not focus on name itself "sufism". The name was invented to indicate heart of islam. So sufism is "spiritual heart of Islam". In another word it is science of islam. It started in Medina. Remember nabi(SAW) and his companions were practicing Islam in Mecca?. If so, why would Jibril(as) appeared to nabi and his companions again to teach them Islam?. Do you remember the story in hadith?. Jibril(as) came to teach them Ihsan. Dont be surprised also if you hear "tassawuf". It is the same. I dont focus on the name but essence.

For preview, kindly watch this 12 mins video what is sufism. After you watch it tell me if sufism is not islam itself?. People today trying to portray sufism as if it is a separate religion. Rather Sufism is the very heart of Islam. Look at islamic history, those people have always been sufis including sahaba. Yes, sahaba were sufis. Meaning they are people of Ihsan. If crazy people are dong something else today doesnt not deprive definition of sufism. Sufism is about penetrating Quran

So if ignorant people tell you there is no sufism in islam, you should know that they are mischievous. The word used by Allah and His messanger (saw) is Ihsan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie4YV0PTQ50

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Islam › Re: Are We Going To Keep On Looking? by Empiree: 5:34pm On May 02, 2017

Moreover you let him distract your attention, the op was not attacking ibro himself, if I did, point it out..... but soofiyah as a whole, using the just concluded mawlood as an example of soofiyah's misguidance....

And all he is doing now is looking for sympathy...

See how he is denying the obvious?. Here is another thread where they insulted him. Attacked him and then claimed they are not attaccking him

https://www.nairaland.com/3401996/sheikh-ibrahim-niasse

Note, he is the same lexiconkabir in this thread. He and rabiu talked trashed about the sheikh. Here is another thread

https://www.nairaland.com/3720955/kato-tijjani-da-kato-inyass

Who is he deceiving?. This is why i dont get involve when those sufi guys talk nonsense about them and their scholars. They caused it. They have no respect. Now he is talking about his problem is with soofiya as a whole. This shows is ignorance. This is another thread

The Soofeeyah's Dislike Of Knowledge
https://www.nairaland.com/3616951/soofeeyahs-dislike-knowledge

They run away when they are challenged. Ask them where were all their saudi shuyukh when they were growing up?. Was is not sufi people that trained them, taught them tawheed before they got to know all these Saudi shuyukh they embraced today?

So who is hypocrite now?. He and his cohorts and Jabata are the same. They attached so much importance to the name "sufi" rather than its essence.

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Islam › Re: Are We Going To Keep On Looking? by Empiree: 5:19pm On May 02, 2017*

^^

You are really a misguided fellow. When did you become soothsayer to know what i meant?. Wallahi i was not even thinking about this at the time i first posted it until alennsar talked about it. Why are you people so paranoid?. Whenever it is shortened radiyaAllah anihu (RA) or rahimahullah (RA), how can you tell?. Besides, there is no specific ruling that you can't use radiyaAllah aniu for others. I am not used to it anyway but since there is no specific order restraining the use of it, then, you can't call people names over that.

Get off your lousy, idiocy ideology. Makes no sense. There is nothing wrong using either RA, RTA for waliy. Even saying SAW, their translations to english arrived at the same meaning. Your paranoir is really eating you deep. No wonder you people tag anything you dont understand shirk and bid'a. See how you exposed yourself over irrelevant issue. Not long ago your buddy Rabiu opened a thread condemning the use of abbreviation SAW, RA etc. He said to write it in full. And you are here telling us that "ibro" is not derogatory?. Are you kidding me?. Seems you didnt listen to your shuyuk who condemn people for writing "Mo" instead of Muhammad. This is his thread

https://www.nairaland.com/3421750/ruling-writing-saws-etc

We also talked about this in another unrelated thread last year. You can see writer's hatred and this man's hypocrisy from the way he worded his sentence (OP). It is quiet for the fun of it. Not seeking to knowledge or advising people the sunnah way.

In order to refute me, bring me evidence from Quran and sunnah only that radiyaAllahu anihu can not be used for non-sahabi. I am waiting. Thank you

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Islam › Re: Are We Going To Keep On Looking? by Empiree: 3:59pm On May 02, 2017

Alennsar:
well to me this is not matter of pictures but d problem is saying (ra) to Ibrahim and you know d funniest part they also worship him as god here in Abuja both young and old.

walahi dats worse

At least you don't believe pictures matters to determine aqeeda unlike op and his cohorts trying so hard to get people to judge folks base on pictures.

That's more hypocritical. As for saying "rahimohullah" after his name, aren't we supposed to pray for deseased muslim brothers and sisters?. Whats wrong with saying "may Allah be pleased with him" for a Muslim?. I thought you only desist from saying that to kufar?. You ppl are so funny and illogical. So you don't have problems with nonsense pictures he posted, don't you think now that the whole idea behind the thread is mockery of fellow Muslims base on his desires he preaches against?.

He and his buddies don't reason at all. When they are cornered they resort to name calling. I should quote him in case he deletes his post

Abde.lKabir:
See I'll advice you leave that munaafiq(hypocrite) before he plays with your intelligence...... He is full of hypocrisy, those who are frequent in this section and those that ever had a talk with him where they have diverging opinions know him very well....

They use sharia and scholarly opinions when theirs are critized. But when they condemn others, they do so without regards for usool or sharia. Imagine he wants unsuspecting folks to judge dudes having funs on the side. How they look have nothing to do with the program. They can as well dress like that on elds.

How about arabs who dress in their costumes with swords around their bellies and shoulders?. Abeg, he better moves to arabia and adopt their culture. All the misbaha are made from them and other buy it from them. So do you crucify buy or seller (makers)?

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Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 2:56pm On May 02, 2017*

#I have a question for everybody, What's your opinion on the Alfas who reads the end of Suratul Mulk during solat قُلْ أَرَءَيْتُمْ إِنْ أَصْبَحَ مَآؤُكُمْ غَوْرًا فَمَن يَأْتِيكُم بِمَآءٍ مَّعِينٍۭ
and adds Allahu robul Allamin?

Some scholars consider it as bidah and bringing in what's not originally in the Quran. What do you all think?

cc ikupakuti Empiree emekaraj

lol....I like to hear other opinions. But in what sense did he say the phrase "Allahu robul Allamin"?. When he read the verse he read the phrase along loudly as if it is part of the ayah or he said it quietly to himself?.

It is funny bcus he's simply acknowledging Allah the only One who supplies and provides but fact remains it is not part of the ayah since this is not a lecture but solat.

Obligatory solat for that matter. It is rather be avoided or say that to himself inwardly to avoid being tagged. Salat is obligatory and Quran should be recited exactly as it is.

However, I want to believe it is like saying "Ameen" after reciting sura fathia. School of thoughts differ on saying AMEEN loudly or silently.

For instance, shia as I understood it don't say ameen which is why sunni/salafi suspect them of being pro jews. Hanafi school prefer saying Ameen in silent. Maliki and others prefer saying it loudly which is what I grew up with. But Ameen is not part of the sura/ayah but dua.

So i say it is not necessary to utter "Allahumo Robul Allamin". He should keep that to himself or reserve it for lectures before young ignorant folks start to think it is part of the ayah. This is my opinion

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Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 2:33pm On May 02, 2017

Hkana:
I know the above was written in English but I didn't understand most of it... Kindly break it down. Please?

I had a dream overnight reading his same text. And I said to someone in my dream that I read the text somewhere yesterday grin

Truly I read it last night shortly before I slept but I could not grasp it meaning.

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Islam › Re: Are We Going To Keep On Looking? by Empiree: 2:15pm On May 02, 2017

Alennsar:
well to me this is not matter of pictures but d problem is saying (ra) to Ibrahim and you know d funniest part they also worship him as god here in Abuja both young and old.

walahi dats worse

so bcus Nabi Jesus(as) is worshiped by Christians today, therefore Jesus is guilty by your logical reasoning right?. How do you people reason? . Is the Sheik responsible for their behaviors?. Did he teach them to worship him? . Kindly bring your evidence forward.

See why some ppl disrespect your shuyuk too bcus you show absolutely no respect for him. So you agree with op to call him "ibro"?.

I do have right to add rahimohullah next to his name bcus I read his biography from different sources and that's contrary to what haters portray him

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Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 10:34pm On May 01, 2017*

emekaRaj:
40yrs is wat i tot too,
Dat Quran verse make sense, use to read but never cross my mind. U sef how u dey always pick dis verse sef, nawao

you noticed that as well grin

that shows he not only reads Quran but penetrates it

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Islam › Re: Are We Going To Keep On Looking? by Empiree: 9:45pm On May 01, 2017

^^

I feel sorry for you @above. Since when pictures determine belief of someone? Isnt shari'a criteria for what is halal and haram. You choose who is bida and shirk base on desire. What exactly is clear from your op?. You mean to condemn them base on pictures you posted?. Isnt obvious the dudes were having funs on the side?. Why not post video and pictures from ulama in the gathering?. Why are you mischievous?

If ordinary person sees the dudes wearing misbaha like that they probably think they are crazy or doing festival. How's wearing those things equate kufr?. Why not judge the video i posted the same way you judge those people?.

See why i don't rake you serious?. You are worst than Jabata bcus Jabata is brave enough to excommunicate people openly. But you hide behind the screen and bida and make indirect tafkir on fellow muslims. Na you sabi.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by Empiree: 9:36pm On May 01, 2017

true2god:
I taught she was studying Islam in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Are you sure she will learn the true wahabi Islam in Finland?

**yawn**

Islam › Re: Are We Going To Keep On Looking? by Empiree: 8:17pm On May 01, 2017

FriendNG:
Shatap. You're the same with him.

I see Emp.iree viewing this thread perhaps to defend Sufism.

Islam › Re: Are We Going To Keep On Looking? by Empiree: 7:56pm On May 01, 2017*

Writer in the op continues to prove my point. First, all issues he raised as "excuses" for against maulud of the Sheikh(ra) make no sense. He talks about "traffics". Traffic, seriously?. Traffic that everyone goes through all the time especially in lagos. On the Day of Arafat another heavy traffic. On ileya another heavy traffic. RCCG from lagos to Ibadan and the list goes on. This is the same nonsense excuse given for forbidden protests or demonstrations (that people would 'miss' salat). So where is writer's sense? It is easy to spot writer's hatred.

# even if he wants to "correct" or "rectify" people, is it by rendering their leader useless and misrepresenting his name? Ibrahim is the name of nabi(as). Write it properly. This writer who calls himself someone of "sunnah" would write "ibro" in place of Ibrahim. Dont you all think he is mischievous too?. Is this sunnah way of correcting people?. Tell me how the same people he criticizes would take him serious?. Again, i feel sorry for Yorubaland. Writer's approach is very thurgery and vicious. Imagine christian writes "Mo" instead of Muhammad. A muslim should be offended by that. I see absolutely no wisdom in his approach.

# third argument are the pictures above used to back up op's claim. It is obvious those are kids. Ignorant kids/people doing their thing on the side. Why not take pictures from the main unit where maulud was being held rather than some side dudes displaying stupidity?. Do you actually think their appearances have anything to do with maulud itself?. This is equivalent to muslims on Eld engaging in "ram fighting". Is ram fighting part of Eld recommended in the sunnah?.

Absolutely not. Yet many of us love it regardless of how much islamic knowledge we have. On the same Eld in Ijebu-Ode for instance, the 3rd day of Eld which is "Ojude Oba", people fornicate, mix with opposite sex, do haram things yet these activities have nothing to do with Eld itself. I am yet to see any sense in writer's approach.

Yes, ESSENCE of sufism is "purification of soul" but unfortunately today, what we have is name but not sufism. In 20 century it was sufism without name. The same thing we say all the time. For instance, a chinese man said islam is more practised in non-muslim countries than Saudi. Asked why he said this?. He said Arab man approached him to make fraudulent products and sell it for original price. Is that Islamic?.

Now watch the video below. Assume, please just assume or pretend the gathering is sufism. Be sincere to yourself. What are you going to call this?. Won't you say they worship horus where they dance to the statue?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ5UfHBtr9s

All pictures you took above prove nothing. Why not take pictures from their ulama where the real deal was taken place rather than crucifying them from afar?

ikupakuti

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Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims: Let's Study Prophet Mohammad's Biography By Ibn Ishaq by Empiree: 6:07pm On May 01, 2017

true2god:
Muhammad orders his son-in-law Ali, to behead Al-Nadr bin al-Harith on page 136.

ibn Ishaq again?.

Remember ifeann did worst in 2015 grin

You notice she's abscent lately. She's quietly studying Islam in Finland. New report came up from that country how many reverted to Islam this year. You never know ifeann might be amongst them

Christianity Etc › Re: Saudi Arabia To Execute 'Atheist' For Insulting Prophet Muhammad by Empiree: 3:30pm On May 01, 2017

JackBizzle:
We never see tintingz, stalwert, vedaxcool, demmzy15 and emp.iree on threads like this one....

I agree with Amanda. Fvck atheist grin

If insulting prophet was okay, I wonder why western world criminalizes holocaust denials. When Ahmadinajed said holocaust was a myth, there was outcries and they wanted to assassinate him. So Amanda said it all

http://naijagists.com/atheist-sentenced-death-saudi-arabia-insulting-prophet-muhammad/#comment-611698

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 2:52pm On May 01, 2017

emekaRaj:
For someone like niyas to be love and hav this much followers he must be doing something right, and it also means Allah swt has favoured him. I think some pple crucify him for wat his followers are doing, i personally dnt like wat his followers are doin, but he is nt responsible for what his followers does, We need to respect this sheihks its nt easy to achieve that status.

this is what I tell these salafi brothers but they want to hold the sheikh responsible. That makes no sense. The crazy ppl didn't even meet sheik niyas. How come he's responsible for them Q2:141

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 2:46pm On May 01, 2017

Hkana:
Lol @rebels... The "puritans" part was sarcasm. I actually refer to them as "self styled puritans"

With the benefit of hindsight, I've come to realize that those guys aren't who they claim they are and that's what motivates my questioning of their claims.

I watched another uztaz whose title of his lecture is "why we left tijjaniya". He did make points with respect to phony sufis but I later realized he's quiet ignorant of many things. He said shaikh niyas they respect so much all the time "repented from his evil and shikr before he died". He even smiled when he said that. When I googled it, I realized that he copied everything he said online grin

exactly the way he said things in his lecture was exactly what anti-sheikh article said. He also accused shaikh Tijjani if tijhaniya order arrogant who knows nothing but consults jinns. As for tawba part before he died, I realized it is like someone writing a book on "istgfar". Shaikh niyas (ra) actually wrote a book on istgfar. That's what the uztaz considered the sheikh made tawba before he died. Funny. He said go and check his book. It's there LOL grin

What's wrong with writing a book on FORGIVENESS. Does that indicates the person was guilty of something. Afterall we all have to ask Allah for fogiveness one way or the other.

As for me, I don't defend tijjaniya group bcus I don't belong there or any. I only defend obvious practices that are in harmony with sharia.

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 2:26pm On May 01, 2017

Hkana:
Ikupakuti, I've been wanting to ask a sufi/tijani about Ibrahim Inyass... Too much negative has been said by the puritans.
So, I want to hear from a fan/follower. If you don't mind, of course.

me too. But usually new generation of kids do that and their backup scholars

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 2:23pm On May 01, 2017

ikupakuti:
@emp.iree you need to go through his madhu (eulogies) for the holy prophet (saw) to get a clue of his personality. ASHEIKH ate, drank, talked, felt, fed, lived & died in the love of the holy prophet (saw) & anything affiliated to him, and everything in return turned to love him. Majority of the people there dont even know why they love him!

bold is very true. Saw a guy on fb praising him too much long before his maulud. He gone crazy with his mad love when his wife died recently and I asked him why he exerggerates so much. He said nothing but "I just love him".

He is a young dude who doesn't even relates. The sheikh must be filled with noor all the time

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 2:15pm On May 01, 2017

LadunaI:
@empir.ee

If you see pics of people outside that metropolitan square also....is mind boggling.

the above are enough jaw droppings cheesy

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 12:20am On May 01, 2017*

LadunaI:
Understood...thanks.

#Perhaps when he(saw) was nearing at a distance of a two bows, Q53:9. The highest pinnacle.

#Why didn't you come for the mawlid in Ilorin, the town was agog, and there is partial traffic shutdown in the city to due to vol of attendees.

Too much love for the Sheikh man. I thought there was maulud for him few weeks ago?. I saw pictures sent to me back then. And then another one today showing heavy traffic.

Over 4m huh

this amount is huge. But I'm not sure of the essence of this though. As long as whatever they do there is in harmony with Islam, great.

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 9:38pm On Apr 30, 2017

Asalam alaikum waramotulahi wabarakatu.

One of the most disturbing realities about the Day of Judgement is that you will find yourself unable to hand over a single good deed to your mother, father, child, spouse or friend, despite your intense love for them, for you will be just as desperate for every good deed as they are.

On the other hand, you will be forced to hand over your good deeds to people whom you'd despised, people whom you’d back stabbed, mocked, abused or oppressed in any way.

Isn’t it such a strange contrast?

All of a sudden, it becomes clear why one of the names of this Day is ‘Yowmul Hasra’/ ‘The Day of regret’

وَأَنْذِرْهُمْ يَوْمَ الْحَسْرَةِ إِذْ قُضِيَ الْأَمْرُ وَهُمْ فِي غَفْلَةٍ وَهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ

“And warn them of the Day of Regret, when the matter will be decided; and yet, they are in a state of carelessness, and they do not believe.”

(Al-Qur’an, Surah 19, Ayah 39)

O Allah! Have mercy on us when we stand humble on the Day of Judgement, make our feet go steady on the narrow path of Siraat, save us from the agonies of the Day of Judgement and make our faces white when the faces of the criminals and disbelievers become black.

Allahummo amin.

Islam › Re: Muslim Singles Talk 2 by Empiree: 9:13pm On Apr 30, 2017

^

Actually, case tintingz cited is different. Thats love matter. She was jilted. Many cases like this happen even in so called civilized world. You see ladies on fb posting "if your man doesn't get mad, commit suicide or beat you up bcus u left him shows that he doesn't love you to begin with".

This statement simply means that they actually want thug in relationship

Islam › Re: Innovations Of Muhammad Ali Jabata by Empiree: 8:02pm On Apr 30, 2017

hummm, here comes refutations of this and that. This one is guided that one is not. Never gets old. Busy all the time with all types of bs. I really dont see much difference in u all. Everyone plays games.

Na you sabi

And for record, Jabata man is a كذاب. Watched his audio posted on Youtube by tola9ja. Part 4 of his lecture dealt with "refuting lies" against him and i felt sympathy for him. He denied making takfir against anyone and everything including minor things like clutching with مسبحة, maulud etc. But when part 5 of his lecture was posted, his whole lecture contradicts part 4 i just watched. So i gave him chance but he blew it in part 5 Case Closed.

I feel sorry for Yorubaland

Islam › Re: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 7:02pm On Apr 30, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73sDVaE4TAA

Islam › Re: Muslim Singles Talk 2 by Empiree: 6:06pm On Apr 30, 2017

deolsisback:
Note that marriage is a beautiful thing when it's with the right person and my intention is never to discourage it.

I am aware that many young girls are lured into marriages, especially by so-called alfas. I met a girl not long ago and she asked me how I escaped being married. She said most of the Muslims she knew while in school got married. I know it is part of the preaching among the MSS. I have seen many of such girls struggle with taking care of themselves and home, as well as trying to start a business or make ends meet. Majority are not mature enough for the responsibility before they jump into it. So I wonder how they view marriage. A means for legal sex and procreation only?

Anyone going into marriage should not just be physically but also mentally, financially and as well psychologically sound.

Agreed

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 6:03pm On Apr 30, 2017

tintingz:
There are differences.

- Social acceptance(child bride)

- Forced marriage

- Lack of women right

^^This is what the northern Nigeria are facing, I remember a news where this young northern girl poisoned her husband because she was forced to marry him, this man already has multiple wives, and they even use sharia to back up the child bride marriage.

This is Northern problem. I have said earlier that what they need to improved is their social order like the West. But there is no difference wether teen is married(northern nigeria) or premarital sex (west). The only difference is social order. Islam has nothing to do with "forced marriage". This was simply invented by nincompoops out of greed. However islam encourages early marriage, which i believe is better, far better than so called "sex education" which breeds nothing but deceit and hypocrisy. Whether they use condom or not makes no difference.

Kano Child-Bride Confesses To Killing Husband With Rat Poison (Pictured)
https://www.nairaland.com/2058247/kano-child-bride-confesses-killing-husband

Similar cases of forced marriages in the us.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/uncovering-problem-forced-marriage-u-s/

I am sure forced marriages exist every part of the world. Media chose to focus on muslim and poor regions in this case.

Can this happen legally in the west, child bride to a grown man?

Lol...i am surprised you dont know this. If they could legalize gayism, expect more and worst. You carefully chose your word "legally" grin

. It is the same with gay marriage. Can it happen "legally" in Nigeria?. In the US, once you reach marriageable age, or you are matured in your own way to have sex, there is no limit. Laws vary by states. Soem need parental consent and it is none of anyone's business. They are simply hypocritical about marriageable age at 18. In America for in stance, sex has no age at all. They usually sweep crazy news like this under the carpet. Here is underage marriage "legally" in the USA. 65 yrs old marries 12yrs old girl

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/uncovering-problem-forced-marriage-u-s/

It appears that not much of this openly happen but slowly but surely it will just like homosexual was considered abhorrent before 1960s. It is now normal to be gay. undecided

Curiosity and lack of sex education is what led teens into having sex and getting pregnant. Like have said they later regret what they did when they are older, they will never want same mistakes for their children.

You see, you giving excuses for those teens in the Western world. whether lack of education or not, it is about sexual revolution that started in the 60s in the US. How many of them regret having baby as teenager today?. Very few. Do you know that govt specifically encourage them to get pregnant?. They know if they have baby they are getting money. Confirm this with anyone living in US. They get tax money anywhere from 2000 dollars to 6000 dollars. Tell me how they regret?. The only thing they might regret is with whom they have baby with. Not pregnancy or baby itself. Thats long gone. So tax money encourage them to do this. If you as single adult with no child, and work hard all through the yr, compared to a teen who enjoys herself, hangs out with boys and eventually gets pregnant, doesnt work, she gets more money than you at the time of filing taxes. Tell why you not gonna get a lady pregnant outside of marriage seeing this temptation?. Sad news is they dont utilize the money wisely.

The things the west blame 3rd world countries, is forced marriage and lack of women rights, some society don't believe sending girls to school.

Again, this is part of social welfare i dont like. I dont agree with them also. They need to improve on this. But my point is there is no difference whether northen teen married to older man, her age group or simply get pregnant of out wedlock. If there was proper rights (women's rights, no forced marriage) etc, i swear you wont hear anything bad about north.

Lol, what if the boy is a man? Can you hand over your child to a man?

No, absolutely not. I have outlined that i would united her with her boyfriend since she's mst likely hang out with her mate. My point is instead of them sexing anyhow and she is eventually pregnant, i rather prevent that as early as possible by engaging the boy. If his parents aren't financially capable, i will take over until he gains strength

In the west, parents get to know their daughter's boyfriend, they even do dinner, but here in Africa a girl dare not bring a guy home for dinner.

Thats african mentality. I support West approach but i wont allow them to stick to boyfriend-girlfriend situation for long. I am taking it to another level so long as they love each other. I dont have time for "i will wait til i finish school". That's boosh!t grin

Before she finishes school, market don finish cheesy

Agbero don pafuka her yansh and marriage doesn't interest her no more. Thats exactly what's happening today. I want to avoid that by any means necessary.

Lol, you got it wrong, show me a sex education article that encourage teens to have sex? They usually discourage it but if the situation of sex comes in, they should use protection, that's the least they can do, you can't control humans, especial when it comes to nature activities like sex. In fact the slogan is "say NO to premarital sex".

Oh well, they no gonna directly encourage it now. Thats silly of them. But by saying "if you must have sex, use protection". My point is why not start teaching them importance of marriage instead even though they dont necessarily marry yet?. Bush administration tried on this really. He appeared to emphasized on abstinence

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201703/teen-pregnancies-fall-school-sex-ed-doesn-t-work-huh

Few yrs ago during Michael Bloomberg's administration, they distributed condoms to students to "prevent STDs. Doesnt this encourage them to have sex?. I am telling you, these girls worl around with condoms in their bags "should in case" and they are quiet young man

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/08/us/studies-on-teen-age-sex-cloud-condom-debate.html?pagewanted=all

Again the only thing Northern nigeria needs to work on is "standard social order" but this can only possible by stable govt. Otherwise, i see no change

I remember when we were thought how to use condom in secondary school in class by our biology teacher.

See that. I was thgouht none yet i am not rascal or womanizer grin

The western media are bias sometimes but they don't totally publish lies, Muslims are known to force girls into marriage, don't deny that.

Common now. Just like they detest "forced marriage". Africans and muslims also detest gay marriage. So i see double standard in all of these.

Islam › Re: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 4:41pm On Apr 30, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5HORgwR9qE

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 8:32pm On Apr 29, 2017*

Those ppl forgot that modern techs and their abilities to forecast weather, to determine sex of a baby in womb and even "life support machine" , aircraft floating in the air without dropping, fighter jets and many more are deduced from Quran. They dont understand islam at all. They have reduced Islam to just pen and paper.

There is no difference btw a muslim man sitting on prayer mat and forecasting what is in the womb and a doctor telling patient what is in the womb. If later is considered worldly matter, is the former any difference?. They really get on my nerve sometimes. What Muslims dont do is to ascribe Divinity to the means or agent(s). Thats where kufr or shirk comes up. We have sold our Islamic sciences to the West. They have robbed us many of our Islamic scientific and technological advances bcus of these phony Muslims.

For instance, "life support" is a medical device. A machine breathes oxygen into your lungs and takes off carbon dioxide when you can not because the part of the brain that controls that function is no longer working due to an injury, or the coma could be medically induced to allow the brain time to heal on it's own. Patient pay heavy price to be on this and doctor tells you and i that if they take it off, patient would die. If you believe the machine keeps you alive, you are entering kufr zone. Life and death only belong to Allah. However, the device is a means to keep the lung clear of debris and flow of air. My point is, these brothers raised funds for a sister on life support here before. They believe in "life support" system, that if doc should take it off, patient would die. Where is their iman at that moment?. Yet they are online tagging everything bida and shirk. So there is nothing wrong placing patient on life support machine, what is wrong is ascribing divinity to it as i described above.

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Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 9:05pm On Apr 28, 2017

AlBaqir:
# If you don't buy it, can you give your daughter's hand in marriage at the age of 9 - 12? A girl of 18 years in a normal environment is expected to have had at least secondary school certificate. By that time, she has not only developed physically but mentally she can also decide and aware of the consequences of her actions.

# Government set laws to curb excesses and set limitations to ensure the right of people. 90% of children being " forced" to marry continue to regret their life. They all wish to have choice and do something beneficial with their early age before jumping into unwanted marriage. If government do not set limitations, right of women will always be denied as human being with freewill.

No, not that. And not like that. By age limit i am referring to simply not how the west regulates it. Again, my question stands, that, there is still no difference. There are bunch of teens in the West already pregnant. not necessary by older men but their age group. So i ask again, if "age limit" was meant to curb excesses, why is this not manifest their in society and why do they keep blaming 3rd world when they do the same thing?. Thats really my concern. I am not giving my 12 yr old daughter in marriage. However, maturity varies place to place especially in this day and age. If i notice my 12yr old is sexually act and she is on demand,. i can do whatever it takes to curb her first. In the case of out of control situation, I am definitely marrying her to her boy she hangs out with before agbero mess her up. Both of them would be under my roof (but i understand not everyone may have luxury to do this) and this will in no way disturb her career. I am pleased this way than she becoming wayward.

I am not interested in their "sex education" they encourage them to have sex but dont teach them importance of marriage. So again, whats the difference btw them boys and girls sexing each other like pigs and having babies and current northern Nigeria situation?. I see double standard how media portrays the whole thing. If underage sons and daughters of celebs do the same, no one says anything. If poor muslim people do the same, they are called backward. My only objection to the north is improvement in social order AS SEEN in the West.

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Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 8:49pm On Apr 28, 2017

Giving Charity in Silver Equal to the Weight of the Newborn’s Hair The baby hair has to be shaved the 7th or 8th day and then weigh on a scale. The amount is given in sadaqa equivalent to gold dinar and silver Durham. It has been reported that Faatimah – may Allaah be pleased with her – used to give charity (in silver) equal to the weight of her newborn’s hair after shaving it on the seventh day. Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Umar Baazmool (may Allaah preserve him) was asked if that is a Sunnah she got from the Prophet – may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace – or was it her own preferred way of giving (optional) charity?

Sheikh answered,

Yes, what seems correct is that it was a Sunnah she learned from the Messenger – may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace – to give the weight of the newborn’s (shaven) hair in silver. Al-Albaanee alluded to this in al-Irwaa when he traced the sources of the narrations about the ‘Aqeeqah, saying that it reaches the level of being hasan by supporting routes. Furthermore, the narrations give this impression:

Maalik narrated in his Muwatta’, from Ja’far ibn Muhammad, who narrated that his father said that Faatimah weighed the hair of Hasan, Husayn, Zaynab, and Umm Kulthoom, and then gave its weight in silver in charity.

Also in the Muwatta’ is the report of Rabee’ah ibn Abee ‘Abdir-Rahmaan, who narrated from Muhammad ibn ‘Alee ibn Husayn, that Faatimah weighed the hair of Hasan and Husayn, and then gave the weight (of the hair) in silver in charity.

And Yahyaa ibn Bukayr said: Ibn Lahee’ah narrated to me that ‘Umaarah ibn Aziyyah narrated from Rabee’ah ibn Abee ‘Abdir-Rahmaan, from Anas ibn Maalik, that the Messenger of Allaah ordered the heads of Hasan and Husayn on their seventh days to be shaved and the weight of it (the hair) in silver be given in charity.

And ‘Abdur-Razzaaq said: Ibn Jurayj reported that he heard Muhammad ibn ‘Alee saying: Faatimah, the daughter of the Messenger of Allaah, did not used to have a newborn except that she ordered the head to be shaved and the weight of it in silver to be given in charity.

I ask Allaah to give you success, blessings, and stability.

Source: The shaykh’s personally written email dated 1433/1/3 (original Arabic quoted below).

Translated by: Moosaa Richardson

Weighing is done before baby's hair is disposed

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:58pm On Apr 28, 2017

tintingz:
Like have said there are health complications for child bride, in the north many of child bride are suffering from VVF and many are abandoned not treated. This is one of the reason there are limited age for marriageable ages in law.

What does a 12 year old girl knows about things behind sex? She can be manipulate easily because at that age it is puberty stage, their sex drive in on, all this grown men trick this little kids into having sex with them, took advantage of them.

You dont even consider the father of the baby in the picture above might be "underage" 18

The way to control it is to educate kids about sex and the govt should be strict in law, the difference between U.S and northern Nigeria is, in U.S it is child molestation to have relationship with underage girls(Bill cosby, Akon, Michael Jackson were charged to court for this) but in the northern Nigeria they follow more of religious doctrines(sharia) than constitutional law, so they see nothing in it, I remember some years back when Senator Yerima wanted child marraige be legal in constitution, it was thrown to the bin.

..but it is really affecting them in the north, in Nigeria they have high rate of VVF.

Lol...they have bunch of "child education" till date and nothing changes. They actually encourage children even in high school to having sex. In New York for instance, the only thing they condemn is rape. They are not against "consent" from both party from having intercourse.. This is in secondary school in NY. So i wonder what 'education' they talking. They encourage students to carry condom. So again, i ask what's the difference btw them and northern nigeria

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:24pm On Apr 28, 2017

Rilwayne001:
Gadayuuuuuuuuummm!!

And she must have been very strong too.

she even look healthy.

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