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Christianity EtcRe: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 10:02pm On Feb 06, 2017
plainbibletruth:
Where in the quran does it talk about living in peace with others?[/b]

Christianity EtcRe: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 10:00pm On Feb 06, 2017
plainbibletruth:
How do you reconcile the quran's HATE LANGUAGE and HOSTILITY to non-muslims with islam's PROPAGANDA machinery today that says the quran talks about PEACE with others and that it is accommodating towards non-muslims?
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I don't know what you taking abou unless you prove yourself

This is what I found. The rain why they're is no peace everywhere today.

Read attachment shocked

Christianity EtcRe: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 9:55pm On Feb 06, 2017
plainbibletruth:
Jesus Christ addressed that issue in Matthew 16: 18.
smh....you call this an answer? Did jesus establish Christianity?. Did he institutionize obligatory set of prayers you do today?. That's what you refused to answer. He did not. When he was addressing people in the NT, he made no reference to Christians or Christianity. He told you to follow Old Laws and covenants....period.
IslamRe: Tu Baba And True Baba by Empiree: 5:57pm On Feb 06, 2017
sino:
But Turkey and Jordan, which are majority Muslim countries, or we can call them Muslim countries, accepted the highest percentage of refugees, and they are not making any noise about it, not to mention the following information from huffingtonpost:

"With Saudi Arabia’s non-signatory status, the Syrians residing in Saudi Arabia are classified as “Arab brothers and sisters in distress” instead of refugees covered by UN treaties. According to Nabil Othman, the UNHCR regional representative to the Gulf region, there were 500,000 Syrian refugees in Saudi Arabia at the time of his statement. The government itself of Saudi Arabia has stated that it has, over the past five years since the start of the conflict hosted 2.5 million refugees."

Source

I think you have been swayed by the mainstream media to believe contrary to the facts on ground.
I dont think i am. As you can see, I neither deny whether they accepted Syrians. Good to know they are called "brothers and sisters". I understand the West have their motives.
IslamRe: Islam And The Theory Of Evolution by Empiree: 5:25pm On Feb 06, 2017
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Lol, it is unrepentant robot
IslamRe: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by Empiree: 4:59pm On Feb 06, 2017
Attached is result of protest while our brothers here talking about "there is no protest in Islam". Is it everything that was not seen or done in the time of the nabi (as) is haram?. You people need religious hikma.

Quran is not taking to lambs. It is talking to men with wisdoms and understanding. All the ahadith you quoted to justify illegality of protests or demonstrations have nothing to do with it. It is high time you need to stop quoting religious texts if you don't understand what you doing.

Protests or demonstration is a basic human right to show their contempt in a situation like this. It has nothing to do with kufar. Attachment clearly shows VP acknowledged plight of the masses. Delegating someone to talk to leader or ruler is only the beginning of protests and not the last option.

Now their protests prove that pressures are now mounted on govt to respond to its people. But if after this they remained silly, then, they are zolimun..


VP said "we heard you loud and clear" as a result masses outcry.

IslamRe: Tu Baba And True Baba by Empiree:
They accept refugees or not, Muslim countries collectively are a failure to their people.

They should be the one more vocal at accepting refugees rather than the West.

Any wonder why refugees turned to the West for santuary instead of their brethren?.

We had to protest refugees ban for them to be welcomed in the US whereas Allah says that His earth has space. These refugees would come to the US and some of them convert to their fake religion bcuz of our failures.

Either way, Muslim countries are not doing enough whatsoever. I'm not gonna defend any of them blindly. Some of them go as far as helping kufar bomb their fellow Muslim countries. What a shame!

If not that Americans stand with Muslims on this, I'm sure crazy Christians would be saying " but Muslims are not allowed to seek residence in the land of kufar".

It is high time for them to put their sectarian differences aside and do the needful. They should be the ones making noise about accepting refugees. Not the West.
Christianity EtcRe: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 1:05pm On Feb 06, 2017
plainbibletruth:
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You are not paying attention!

Jesus said those things to those who lived BEFORE he established the Church.
Those things applied to them.
When he established the Church he set up a new system.
"He said those things to those who lived BEFORE he established Church". Where in the bible did Jesus set up church?
IslamRe: Stoning And Hand Cutting—understanding The Hudud And The Shariah In Islam by Empiree: 4:41am On Feb 06, 2017
I have been searching for this hadith long time. It kinda clarifies few things especially the timing i have been talking about. I can now confidently say STONING was abrogated base on this hadith (attachment). Ijma from both theologies might got it wrong. This hadith clearly shows there is no guarantee that rajam sustained. I can now rest my case on this one for now.

albaqir abdelkabir




Research Continues.

walaikum salaam

Christianity EtcRe: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 1:28am On Feb 06, 2017
plainbibletruth:
The TRUTH is that the quran teaches hatred and hostility.

The Quran teaches inferiority of non-muslims NOT universal love or peace with others.

Islamic apologists who talk about their religion being one of PEACE deliberately remove something - the peace they claim applies ONLY to those who are 'brethren ' in Islam. The "peace" is not really with non-muslims.
Alright, bla bla bla....bla bla bla. Readers can see through your mind games. OBvIOUSLY you cant answer.

Let me rephrase the question but i dont need your answer anymore.

If Jesus Christ (may Allah's Blessings and Peace Be Upon him) brought christianity and he has nothing to do with old laws in the old testament, WHY he he say this in New Testament christian Bible?


“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19




“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)




“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.”(Matthew 5:17)




“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)



Those verses indicate Old Laws stand, that's why you still carry Old Testament today. If OT has nothing to do with christianity, why do you still use it in your churches?.

You dont have to answer anymore. You already failed to answer them. Hence, you do not have iota of right to point finger at Islam and muslims unless and until you take responsibility for Mosaic laws Old Laws CONFIRMED by Jesus himself.

Islam however let go of some of those Old Law and relieved us. For instance, Bible says if anyone changes religion he/she should be killed. Quran on the other hand say there is freedom of religion.

"Let there be no compulsion in religion" 2:256


Also, if someone commits adultery he/she is to be stoned according to Bible. But Quran says (with due process) he/she should be caned.

The list goes on. So you need to be quiet when islam speaks
Christianity EtcRe: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 11:26pm On Feb 05, 2017
plainbibletruth:
Like I tried educating you but you seem bent on not be paying attention - the Church started AFTER Jesus Christ instituted it. .
Stop wasting your time my friend. Obviously you can not refute those bible verses..

I have no problem with church started after Jesus. That's true of course. But you reiterates here that Jesus "instituted it". What is "it" and where is your evidence of "it"?

Thanks
Christianity EtcRe: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 10:46pm On Feb 05, 2017
plainbibletruth:
A quick education: Christianity STARTED after Christ instituted it. Many things in the Old Testament DO NOT apply to Christianity.
You keep digging holes for yourself. The only way you can argue successfully is by pointing out from your bible where Jesus claimed to bring CHRISTIANITY. I dont want fallacies or unfounded stories.


Second, you said many things in the old testaments do not apply to christianity, really?. Since you claimed Jesus brought christianity, then, why did he refer to old law in the new testament?. This question remained unanswered by christians except to tell us nonsense.


Jesus said Old Laws stand. He did not soften old testament. This is New Testament where Jesus is speaking.


“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19




“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)




“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.”(Matthew 5:17)




“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)



So clearly, Old Testament and its Laws stand. I dont want to hear fallacies from you or try to interpret these verses to mean it is parable. They are plain and clear. John 7 verse 19 is a bombshell..........FOLLOW THEM.
Christianity EtcRe: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree: 10:06pm On Feb 05, 2017
plainbibletruth:
We can be sure that MISINFORMATION will be at the highest.

Can they SINCERELY tell people EVERYTHING about ISLAM? Very doubtful.

They will likely present what they WANT people to THINK about Islam and not what it really stands for.
Stop wasting your time my friend. Why not tell ALL Americans everything in your Bible Old and New T.?.

If you ask them about christianity, they only tell u "Jesus is god, give charity and be peaceful to neighbours" etc.

But they never tell them bible says to kill whoever changes religion, whoever fornicatesd should be killed, whoever rebels parent should be killed, whoever blasphemes should be killed, dont eat pork, Jesus said to kill whoever would not submit to him etc. All these are in the bible but they dont preach it to goers.

Preach these publicly in the USA and you see christianity disappears undecided
Christianity EtcRe: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Empiree:
parisbookaddict:
The acceleration of the death of islam in the west just started.. ur al taqiyyas are falling apart..
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parisbookaddict:
islam has a big problem. They inspire hate everywhere. In every country muslims are. I predicted that westerners will wake up against Islam. Its happening.
Your prediction is NONSENSE.

See how Trump makes Americans looking into islam like his brother Bush did shocked

IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 6:19pm On Feb 05, 2017
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IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 5:41pm On Feb 05, 2017
Rilwayne001:
What if my mother had died in the process of slapping her? An old woman for Pete's sake sad
Awon omo araye go tell you say "asiko mama lo de". But dem go tell you that you kill ya wife. Aye ooooo cheesy
IslamRe: Tu Baba And True Baba by Empiree:
AbdelKabir:
obviously you are the one playing with semantics here and i decided to show you that playing with semantics isnt difficult at all, anyway no one says you shouldn't request for rights, there are ways to go about it, one of them is to send a respected personality amongst the masses to privately meet the leader, thats orderliness, not what this people are planning to do, the "peaceful protest" that was done during GEJ era and its result is still fresh in our minds, how he flooded the military everywhere.

This is shaykh fawzaan(hafidhahullâh);


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGac6IXaEEY

anyway we are waiting to see its result.
Sheik said "Rights are not achieved through chaos and turmoil". But chaos and turmoil is okay against Yemenis bombings by Saudi, abi?. Since Yamen is muslim country, why not call opposition leader and have meeting behind close doors rather than bombing them?. This is why I am not taking the fatwa serious.

Obviously this is why Saudi is usually silent on palestinian issue when they are bombed in the name of "protesting leader is haram". That's in their world. But they can not apply the same fatwa on Yamen before bombing them?.


Well, that's Sheik's opinion at least. Here is another view from islamic perspective.



Question: What is the ruling for participating in protests, and if they are permissible, what is the proof?


Answer: Protests are a means by which the Muslim community makes its voice heard regarding a specific issue, to those in authority so they can act accordingly or respond to their concerns. In the modern age, this has become the main objective behind protests: informing governments about the concerns of the governed.

Islam as a faith welcomes protests according to the definition provided above, because they serve the Muslim community to make its positions known on issues. Especially if that issues pertains to a general benefit that affects Muslims or Muslim countries such as Palestine, in general, and Gaza, in particular.



Read more
http://www.virtualmosque.com/society/activism-and-civil-rights/is-protesting-permissible/


Note that your Sheik in the video said that protest, peaceful or not is not allowed. That's noted for recorded purposes.
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 5:26pm On Feb 05, 2017
Rilwayne001:
I'll probably use punch to remove her tooth for her. angry angry
Oluwa ooo. what if she dies in the process of punching her?
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 5:22pm On Feb 05, 2017
Rilwayne001:
Lol.. I'll probably prevent such thing from happening in the first place. If however it had happened before i got there, I'll probably use punch to remove her tooth for her. angry angry

I will rather her slap me than my mum.
eheneneheheheeee grin grin grin abeg, make una no kil her ooo
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 5:20pm On Feb 05, 2017
tintingz:
I don't joke with my mama, she can insult but not inflict pain on her, an elderly person.

But when it comes to domestic or marital conflict, why should I beat my wife, she be pikin?
Good point cheesy
Jokes EtcRe: My Hilarious Picture Album by Empiree: 5:17pm On Feb 05, 2017
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:46pm On Feb 05, 2017
tintingz:
Ehn..? angry

I will slap her, slap her make-up off, slap her hair off, slap her destiny, slap the brain from her head. Doctors will find it hard to do surgery to her disfigured face.

Then she will tell if she's pretty to slap an elderly woman, my mama. cheesy
lol. ..but you said in a thread last yr u cant beat ya wife grin grin grin


See how I got you grin

Flawless victory cheesy grin
IslamRe: Tu Baba And True Baba by Empiree: 4:37pm On Feb 05, 2017
AbdelKabir:
one of the synonyms of protest(as brought by your screen shot) says "challenge", remind me again what "challenging an authority" means.
obviously you picked what suits you.

Se.un is owner and authority of here but,

When se.un was messing around "Islam section" yrs back why did Muslims protest?.

Why did Muslims around the world protest Israeli aggression against philistine?

Why do employees protest minimum wage increase?

Are all these haram to do? .

Do you not understand the hadith you quoted?


So silence in the presence of aggression is what you advocate?.

Back to topic, Nigerian economy is not smiling. Citizens have the right to be heard and show their contempt. This is different from picking up arms and destroying lives and properties which is what the hadith cautions against.

And I'm not saying Buhari is to be blamed. So what exactly it is to obey in the context of Nigeria economy for protesting current situation?. I don't understand you at all.
IslamRe: Tu Baba And True Baba by Empiree: 3:50pm On Feb 05, 2017
AbdelKabir:
SubhanAllâh ya Empiree ittaqullâh!!

Allâh says:

ولا تلبسوا الحق بالباطل وتكتموا الحق وانتم تعلمون

do not mix the truth with falsehood nor hide the truth while you know(it).

I couldnt help but smack my head when i saw you trying to use this hadeeth to prove that protest is allowed...This is a general hadeeth and can't be used for a specific issue such has this, let me give an example why it cant be correct, lets say some group of muslims were gathered to offer salatul dhuhr, but each wanted to perform the naafil prayer first, then one of them says "oh brothers, let's pray the naafil in jama'ah because the prophet said "The hand of Allâh is over a group" or he cites hadeeth that says Congregational salâh brings 27(or 25) rewards which is better than praying individually....what is that person doing? exactly what you are doing now.

even if we are to accept that hadeeth for (vain)argument sake, then we say, just as how we have clear and unclear aayahs from Allâh, the same way we have clear and unclear words from the prophet too, so we understand the unclear ones in light of the clear one, I present to you to non-ambigous hadeeth;

Hudhayfah bin al-Yaman (may Allâh be pleased with him) the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “After me, there will be leaders who will not rule according to my guidance and will not follow my path. There will be amongst them, men whose hearts are those of the devils in the body of humans.”

hudhayfah asked, “What should I do – O Messenger of Allâh – if I am alive then?” He answered, “Listen to and obey the leader. Even if your back is beaten and your wealth is taken; listen and obey.” Muslim (4813)


So dial another number as this one is unavailable at the moment.


WAllâhul musta'aan.
I have spoken brother. What is PROTEST?
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:41pm On Feb 05, 2017
Your Reaction? huh

Tintingz
Rilwayne001

IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:20pm On Feb 05, 2017
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PropertiesRe: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Empiree: 1:56pm On Feb 05, 2017
back2sender:
Please i need my people help here. The attached pictures is a generator for sale by my Neighbour in abuja who moved to a new apartment with a big generator for the whole block of flats. This is the reason for the sale.
The selling price is 100, 000. Is this a good buy for a generator of this size? Generator has been used for 1year and still works well.
Last page your expertise is needed here because you have a flair for electricals and computers. Cop.acetic and others too comments are welcome.
You better embrace your name (moniker). This generator appears to have been used for yrs.

#myopinion
IslamRe: Tu Baba And True Baba by Empiree: 1:10pm On Feb 05, 2017
the brothers simply got definition of PROTEST wrong. Protest in itself has nothing to do with disobeying leaders. Attached is definition.


Nigerian people feel disappointed by current economy situation and they decide to be heard. That's not disobeying leader. That's protest.

Protest is not all about displaying placard.It is just one of the many. There are other means


Now here is hadith that teaches us to do something when it is wrong



On the authority of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudree (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.” [Muslim]


This is an important hadith because it shows that Muslims should not be innocent bystanders – we are obliged to do something to stop wrongdoing. It also outlines to us the order in which we must do something. Also, Nigerians are under economy repression. In that case, Quran wants your voice to be heard. It says to speak out, PROTEST.

But ahadith you brothers are quoting emphasized on "disobeying leaders". Protest is contrary to this. Dont mix it up

IslamRe: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by Empiree: 6:06am On Feb 05, 2017
AbuuBilaal:
Protest is not equal to demanding your rights

Protest is equal to destabilizing a government, it's equal to embarrassing your leaders, it's equal to rebuking your rulers, it's a plot of Shaitan to put enmity between the leaders and followers.

If two baba or whatever had a sincere intention and really cared about the people he would mobiles other icons like himself and visit Buhari, and speak to him, and admonish him. 2face has not the interest of the masses in mind, it's all a political plot. Don't make yourself a pawn piece in this battle between political parties, please brother.
Am sorry, I am not interested in 2baba or whatever. I am talking about protest. If price of oil per litters goes up, people have the right to protest. If price of food goes up people have the right to protest. I am not against speaking with leader secretly but how many people know about that?. So far, you can not provide evidence of prohibition of protests, hence this is a matter of ijtihad. It is simply not a yes or no answer. It is a matter to be scrutinized base on place and time. There is nothing wrong with protesting your concern. What is wrong is picking up arms against elected officials and destabilizing places.

And no, president doesn't really need 2baba and co to advice him. He has his handpicked advisers. Thats their job. Islam and politics intertwined where and when it is necessary. Politics involve in everything one way or the other and islam is not against that. For instance, what brought about sects in islam today is primarily through politics. The only way you can successfully claim it is haram to protest is by bringing Quranic text PLAINLY AND CLEARLY forbidden it without opinion of any scholar.

When Donald Trump banned refugees from 7 Muslim countries, there are protests across the board and it works bcus it creates awareness and Judge placed temporary STOP on Trump's ban to allow refugees in.
IslamRe: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by Empiree: 5:25am On Feb 05, 2017
AbuuBilaal:
The halal of Allah is halal in every time and place, so also the Haram of Allah is Haram in every time and place.
So where did Allah mention in the Quran not to demand your rights (protest)?
IslamRe: No Protest In Islam.. .from Soheehul Bukharee by Empiree: 4:40am On Feb 05, 2017
Brothers, please, Muslims are not homogeneous people

Nigeria is not 100% Muslim nation

Those ahadith are obviously said in majority Muslim area and it applies accordingly.

Please people, try and understand Islam in its totality with TIME

If an anti-Islam president is elected in Nigeria and he trumps upon Muslims rights especially in a way that impacts your religion, you have to create awareness and be heard. you can not just lay dump and expect Allah to help. Please for crying out loud, you have to understand Islam in its proper context. Muslims are not ALL alike.

Ahadith you quoted are in the context of Islamic govt. Bukhari is not Islamic govt. He represents diversities. .
IslamRe: Tu Baba And True Baba by Empiree: 1:10am On Feb 05, 2017
Brothers, there is nothin wrong with PROTEST.

There is difference between PROTESTING a leader and REBELLING a leader

Qur'an supports protesting leader when you are oppressed or when your rights are trumped upon or taken away. (for instance bad roads and light). These are basic rights



But I understand you are trying to say "protest" leads to violence against leader. True but not always



Allah Says (what means): “And those who, when tyranny strikes them, they defend themselves. And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah. Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers. And whoever avenges himself after having been wronged - those have not upon them any cause [for blame]. The cause is only against the ones who wrong the people and tyrannize upon the earth without right. Those will have a painful punishment. And whoever is patient and forgives - indeed, that is of the matters [requiring] determination [i.e. on the part of those seeking the reward of Allah].” [Quran 42: 39-43]

As situation of things, Buhari doesnt deserve to be rebelled against but peaceful protest. If anyone or a group tries to hijack the protest or sometimes, govt does that to undermine protesters, that's their problem. And again, as i said before, neither Buhari nor anyone from APC or PDP is able to restore economy. Nigeria economy is under a "CONTROLLED DEMOLITION".

Vote in PDP next election and you may never see changes.


Apart from rumors clamoring around about his health, there is a reason Mr. president is currently in the UK or Germany. Believe it or not, Slave masters will NEVER allow you to make it. When they colonized Nigeria, they never de-colonized it. They made sure they put in place a system subservient to them before they left. You may have to take your protest to the British embassy eventually.


#opinion

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