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plainbibletruth:
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plainbibletruth:I don't know what you taking abou unless you prove yourself This is what I found. The rain why they're is no peace everywhere today. Read attachment
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plainbibletruth:smh....you call this an answer? Did jesus establish Christianity?. Did he institutionize obligatory set of prayers you do today?. That's what you refused to answer. He did not. When he was addressing people in the NT, he made no reference to Christians or Christianity. He told you to follow Old Laws and covenants....period. |
sino:I dont think i am. As you can see, I neither deny whether they accepted Syrians. Good to know they are called "brothers and sisters". I understand the West have their motives. |
^ Lol, it is unrepentant robot |
Attached is result of protest while our brothers here talking about "there is no protest in Islam". Is it everything that was not seen or done in the time of the nabi (as) is haram?. You people need religious hikma. Quran is not taking to lambs. It is talking to men with wisdoms and understanding. All the ahadith you quoted to justify illegality of protests or demonstrations have nothing to do with it. It is high time you need to stop quoting religious texts if you don't understand what you doing. Protests or demonstration is a basic human right to show their contempt in a situation like this. It has nothing to do with kufar. Attachment clearly shows VP acknowledged plight of the masses. Delegating someone to talk to leader or ruler is only the beginning of protests and not the last option. Now their protests prove that pressures are now mounted on govt to respond to its people. But if after this they remained silly, then, they are zolimun.. VP said "we heard you loud and clear" as a result masses outcry.
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They accept refugees or not, Muslim countries collectively are a failure to their people. They should be the one more vocal at accepting refugees rather than the West. Any wonder why refugees turned to the West for santuary instead of their brethren?. We had to protest refugees ban for them to be welcomed in the US whereas Allah says that His earth has space. These refugees would come to the US and some of them convert to their fake religion bcuz of our failures. Either way, Muslim countries are not doing enough whatsoever. I'm not gonna defend any of them blindly. Some of them go as far as helping kufar bomb their fellow Muslim countries. What a shame! If not that Americans stand with Muslims on this, I'm sure crazy Christians would be saying " but Muslims are not allowed to seek residence in the land of kufar". It is high time for them to put their sectarian differences aside and do the needful. They should be the ones making noise about accepting refugees. Not the West. |
plainbibletruth:"He said those things to those who lived BEFORE he established Church". Where in the bible did Jesus set up church? |
I have been searching for this hadith long time. It kinda clarifies few things especially the timing i have been talking about. I can now confidently say STONING was abrogated base on this hadith (attachment). Ijma from both theologies might got it wrong. This hadith clearly shows there is no guarantee that rajam sustained. I can now rest my case on this one for now. albaqir abdelkabir Research Continues. walaikum salaam
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plainbibletruth:Alright, bla bla bla....bla bla bla. Readers can see through your mind games. OBvIOUSLY you cant answer. Let me rephrase the question but i dont need your answer anymore. If Jesus Christ (may Allah's Blessings and Peace Be Upon him) brought christianity and he has nothing to do with old laws in the old testament, WHY he he say this in New Testament christian Bible? “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19 “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.”(Matthew 5:17) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) Those verses indicate Old Laws stand, that's why you still carry Old Testament today. If OT has nothing to do with christianity, why do you still use it in your churches?. You dont have to answer anymore. You already failed to answer them. Hence, you do not have iota of right to point finger at Islam and muslims unless and until you take responsibility for Mosaic laws Old Laws CONFIRMED by Jesus himself. Islam however let go of some of those Old Law and relieved us. For instance, Bible says if anyone changes religion he/she should be killed. Quran on the other hand say there is freedom of religion. "Let there be no compulsion in religion" 2:256 Also, if someone commits adultery he/she is to be stoned according to Bible. But Quran says (with due process) he/she should be caned. The list goes on. So you need to be quiet when islam speaks |
plainbibletruth:Stop wasting your time my friend. Obviously you can not refute those bible verses.. I have no problem with church started after Jesus. That's true of course. But you reiterates here that Jesus "instituted it". What is "it" and where is your evidence of "it"? Thanks |
plainbibletruth:You keep digging holes for yourself. The only way you can argue successfully is by pointing out from your bible where Jesus claimed to bring CHRISTIANITY. I dont want fallacies or unfounded stories. Second, you said many things in the old testaments do not apply to christianity, really?. Since you claimed Jesus brought christianity, then, why did he refer to old law in the new testament?. This question remained unanswered by christians except to tell us nonsense. Jesus said Old Laws stand. He did not soften old testament. This is New Testament where Jesus is speaking. “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19 “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.”(Matthew 5:17) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) So clearly, Old Testament and its Laws stand. I dont want to hear fallacies from you or try to interpret these verses to mean it is parable. They are plain and clear. John 7 verse 19 is a bombshell..........FOLLOW THEM. |
plainbibletruth:Stop wasting your time my friend. Why not tell ALL Americans everything in your Bible Old and New T.?. If you ask them about christianity, they only tell u "Jesus is god, give charity and be peaceful to neighbours" etc. But they never tell them bible says to kill whoever changes religion, whoever fornicatesd should be killed, whoever rebels parent should be killed, whoever blasphemes should be killed, dont eat pork, Jesus said to kill whoever would not submit to him etc. All these are in the bible but they dont preach it to goers. Preach these publicly in the USA and you see christianity disappears ![]() |
parisbookaddict: parisbookaddict:Your prediction is NONSENSE. See how Trump makes Americans looking into islam like his brother Bush did
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Rilwayne001:Awon omo araye go tell you say "asiko mama lo de". But dem go tell you that you kill ya wife. Aye ooooo ![]() |
AbdelKabir:Sheik said "Rights are not achieved through chaos and turmoil". But chaos and turmoil is okay against Yemenis bombings by Saudi, abi?. Since Yamen is muslim country, why not call opposition leader and have meeting behind close doors rather than bombing them?. This is why I am not taking the fatwa serious. Obviously this is why Saudi is usually silent on palestinian issue when they are bombed in the name of "protesting leader is haram". That's in their world. But they can not apply the same fatwa on Yamen before bombing them?. Well, that's Sheik's opinion at least. Here is another view from islamic perspective. Question: What is the ruling for participating in protests, and if they are permissible, what is the proof? Answer: Protests are a means by which the Muslim community makes its voice heard regarding a specific issue, to those in authority so they can act accordingly or respond to their concerns. In the modern age, this has become the main objective behind protests: informing governments about the concerns of the governed. Islam as a faith welcomes protests according to the definition provided above, because they serve the Muslim community to make its positions known on issues. Especially if that issues pertains to a general benefit that affects Muslims or Muslim countries such as Palestine, in general, and Gaza, in particular. Read more http://www.virtualmosque.com/society/activism-and-civil-rights/is-protesting-permissible/ Note that your Sheik in the video said that protest, peaceful or not is not allowed. That's noted for recorded purposes. |
Rilwayne001:Oluwa ooo. what if she dies in the process of punching her? |
Rilwayne001:eheneneheheheeee abeg, make una no kil her ooo |
tintingz:Good point ![]() |
tintingz:lol. ..but you said in a thread last yr u cant beat ya wife ![]() See how I got you ![]() Flawless victory ![]() |
AbdelKabir:obviously you picked what suits you. Se.un is owner and authority of here but, When se.un was messing around "Islam section" yrs back why did Muslims protest?. Why did Muslims around the world protest Israeli aggression against philistine? Why do employees protest minimum wage increase? Are all these haram to do? . Do you not understand the hadith you quoted? So silence in the presence of aggression is what you advocate?. Back to topic, Nigerian economy is not smiling. Citizens have the right to be heard and show their contempt. This is different from picking up arms and destroying lives and properties which is what the hadith cautions against. And I'm not saying Buhari is to be blamed. So what exactly it is to obey in the context of Nigeria economy for protesting current situation?. I don't understand you at all. |
AbdelKabir:I have spoken brother. What is PROTEST? |
Your Reaction? ![]() Tintingz Rilwayne001
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back2sender:You better embrace your name (moniker). This generator appears to have been used for yrs. #myopinion |
the brothers simply got definition of PROTEST wrong. Protest in itself has nothing to do with disobeying leaders. Attached is definition. Nigerian people feel disappointed by current economy situation and they decide to be heard. That's not disobeying leader. That's protest. Protest is not all about displaying placard.It is just one of the many. There are other means Now here is hadith that teaches us to do something when it is wrong On the authority of Abu Sa’eed al-Khudree (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) say, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.” [Muslim] This is an important hadith because it shows that Muslims should not be innocent bystanders – we are obliged to do something to stop wrongdoing. It also outlines to us the order in which we must do something. Also, Nigerians are under economy repression. In that case, Quran wants your voice to be heard. It says to speak out, PROTEST. But ahadith you brothers are quoting emphasized on "disobeying leaders". Protest is contrary to this. Dont mix it up
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AbuuBilaal:Am sorry, I am not interested in 2baba or whatever. I am talking about protest. If price of oil per litters goes up, people have the right to protest. If price of food goes up people have the right to protest. I am not against speaking with leader secretly but how many people know about that?. So far, you can not provide evidence of prohibition of protests, hence this is a matter of ijtihad. It is simply not a yes or no answer. It is a matter to be scrutinized base on place and time. There is nothing wrong with protesting your concern. What is wrong is picking up arms against elected officials and destabilizing places. And no, president doesn't really need 2baba and co to advice him. He has his handpicked advisers. Thats their job. Islam and politics intertwined where and when it is necessary. Politics involve in everything one way or the other and islam is not against that. For instance, what brought about sects in islam today is primarily through politics. The only way you can successfully claim it is haram to protest is by bringing Quranic text PLAINLY AND CLEARLY forbidden it without opinion of any scholar. When Donald Trump banned refugees from 7 Muslim countries, there are protests across the board and it works bcus it creates awareness and Judge placed temporary STOP on Trump's ban to allow refugees in. |
AbuuBilaal:So where did Allah mention in the Quran not to demand your rights (protest)? |
Brothers, please, Muslims are not homogeneous people Nigeria is not 100% Muslim nation Those ahadith are obviously said in majority Muslim area and it applies accordingly. Please people, try and understand Islam in its totality with TIME If an anti-Islam president is elected in Nigeria and he trumps upon Muslims rights especially in a way that impacts your religion, you have to create awareness and be heard. you can not just lay dump and expect Allah to help. Please for crying out loud, you have to understand Islam in its proper context. Muslims are not ALL alike. Ahadith you quoted are in the context of Islamic govt. Bukhari is not Islamic govt. He represents diversities. . |
Brothers, there is nothin wrong with PROTEST. There is difference between PROTESTING a leader and REBELLING a leader Qur'an supports protesting leader when you are oppressed or when your rights are trumped upon or taken away. (for instance bad roads and light). These are basic rights But I understand you are trying to say "protest" leads to violence against leader. True but not always Allah Says (what means): “And those who, when tyranny strikes them, they defend themselves. And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah. Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers. And whoever avenges himself after having been wronged - those have not upon them any cause [for blame]. The cause is only against the ones who wrong the people and tyrannize upon the earth without right. Those will have a painful punishment. And whoever is patient and forgives - indeed, that is of the matters [requiring] determination [i.e. on the part of those seeking the reward of Allah].” [Quran 42: 39-43] As situation of things, Buhari doesnt deserve to be rebelled against but peaceful protest. If anyone or a group tries to hijack the protest or sometimes, govt does that to undermine protesters, that's their problem. And again, as i said before, neither Buhari nor anyone from APC or PDP is able to restore economy. Nigeria economy is under a "CONTROLLED DEMOLITION". Vote in PDP next election and you may never see changes. Apart from rumors clamoring around about his health, there is a reason Mr. president is currently in the UK or Germany. Believe it or not, Slave masters will NEVER allow you to make it. When they colonized Nigeria, they never de-colonized it. They made sure they put in place a system subservient to them before they left. You may have to take your protest to the British embassy eventually. #opinion |
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