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Another narrations to this effect


QUESTION:

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

Some people hold the beliefe that doing dhikr with Allah's name is not permisable the following looks at the evidence in the Quran and Sunnah.


Dhikr "ALLAH, ALLAH"
Wa `alaykum as-Salam wa rahmatullah:



ANSWER:



Asta`idhu billah, Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim:

{Say: ALLAH. Then leave them to their playing} (6:91).

{Surely by mentioning ALLAH hearts become peaceful} (13:28).

From Abu Sa`id al-Khudri, the Prophet Muhammad said, upon him peace:

"No people mention ALLAH but the angels surround them, mercy covers them, tranquility descends on them, and ALLAH mentions them to those who are with Him." (Muslim, at-Tirmidhi)

From Abu Hurayra, the Prophet Muhammad said that Allah Most High said:

"I am as My servant thinks of Me and I sit with him when he remembers Me. If he mentions Me in himself I mention him in Myself. If he mentions Me in a gathering I mention him in a better gathering." (Al-Bukhari, Muslim, al-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, and Ahmad)

The Prophet Muhammad said, upon him blessings and peace:

"ALLAH, ALLAH! Fear Him with regard to my Companions! Do not make them targets after me! Whoever loves them loves them with his love for me; and whoever hates them hates them with his hatred for me. Whoever bears enmity for them, bears enmity for me; and whoever bears enmity for me, bears enmity for Allah. Whoever bears enmity for Allah is about to perish!"

Narrated from `Abd Allah ibn Mughaffal by al-Tirmidhi who said: gharîb (single-routed), by Ahmad with three good chains in his Musnad, al-Bukhari in his Tarikh, al-Bayhaqi in Shu`ab al-Iman, and others. Al-Suyuti declared it hasan in his Jami` al-Saghir (#1442).

Asma' bint `Umays the wife of Abu Bakr and mother of `Abd Allah ibn Ja`far ibn Abi Talib - Allah be well-pleased with all of them! - said:

"The Messenger of Allah - upon him blessings and peace - taught me words for me to say in times of duress: 'ALLAH, ALLAH is my Lord nor do I associate with him anything!'" (Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah with a good chain)

The Prophet Muhammad upon him peace - said as narrated from Anas:

"The Hour will not rise until ALLAH, ALLAH is no longer said on the earth."

Through another chain from Anas, Allah be well-pleased with him:

"The Hour will not rise on anyone saying: ALLAH, ALLAH."

Muslim narrated both in his "Sahih," Book of Iman (belief), chapter 66 titled (by al-Nawawi): "The Disappearance of Belief at the End of Times."

Imam al-Nawawi said in his commentary on this chapter:

"Know that the narrations of this hadith are unanimous in the repetition of the name of Allah the Exalted for both versions and that is the way it is found in all the authoritative books." (Sharh Sahih Muslim, Dar al-Qalam, Beirut ed. vol. 1/2 p. 537)

Additional Remarks on the two narrations of ALLAH, ALLAH


1. Note that Imam al-Nawawi placed Anas's hadith under the heading of the disappearance of belief (iman) at the end of times although there is no mention of belief in the hadith. This shows that saying "ALLAH, ALLAH" stands for belief. Those who say it have belief, while those who don't, don't. Those who fight those who say it, are actually worse than those who merely lack belief and do not say "ALLAH, ALLAH."

2. Note that al-Nawawi highlights the authenticity of the repetition of the form to establish that the words "ALLAH, ALLAH" are a Sunna ma'thura (invocation inherited from the Prophet Muhammad and the Companions) as it stands. Ibn Taymiyya's claim that the words must not be used alone but _obligatorily_ in contruct, e.g. with a vocative form ("Ya Allah" is therefore an innovation departing from the Sunna.

3. One who knows that the dhikr "ALLAH, ALLAH" has been mentioned by the Prophet Muhammad himself, is not at liberty to muse whether it was used by the Companions or not in order to establish its basis. It suffices for its basis that the Prophet Muhammad said it! Sami`na wa-Ata`na!

4. One who knows that "ALLAH, ALLAH" is a dhikr used by the Prophet, is not at liberty to object to similar forms of dhikr such as HU and HAYY and HAQQ. "To Allah belong the most beautiful names, so call Him by them" (7:180). Moreover, it is established that Bilal used to make the dhikr "AHAD, AHAD" while undergoing torture. As for the hadith of the ninety-nine Names, it does not limit the Names of Allah to only ninety-nine, as al-Nawawi made clear in his commentary of that hadith.

5. Note that the Siddiqi translation of Sahih Muslim, which is almost as flawed as the Khan translation of Sahih al-Bukhari, mistranslates the first as: "The Hour (Resurrection) would not come so long as Allah is supplicated in the world" and the second as "The Hour (Resurrection) would not come upon anyone so long as he supplicates Allah."

This is wrong as translation goes, although it is right as a commentary, since saying "ALLAH, ALLAH" is supplicating Him, as is all worship according to the hadith of the Prophet: "Supplication: that is what worship is." (Tirmidhi and others narrate it.) However, concerning accuracy in translation, the word form highlighted by al-Nawawi must be kept intact in any explanation of this hadith. It is not merely "supplicating Allah". It is saying: "ALLAH, ALLAH" according to the Prophet's own wording, upon him peace.

6. The fact that an alternate version exists in Musnad Ahmad with the words "LA ILAHA ILLALLAH" instead of "ALLAH, ALLAH" in no way cancels out the wording in Muslim. We do not leave a wording in Sahih Muslim for a wording in Musnad Ahmad nor do we make TA`TEEL and TA'WEEL of an established, explicit, and authentic Nass which, furthermore, confirms the letter of the Glorious Qur'an!

7. Imam al-Nawawi's daily devotion (Wird) uses the dhikr ALLAH, ALLAH!

And Allah knows best.

Was-Salam.

Hajj Gibril
GF Haddad

[14 May 2003]

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/printer_friendly_posts.asp?TID=1150



So you people condemning this dhikr, as highlighted above shows that it is a sign of Akhir Zaman. So keep condemning it. If not for the Sufis that disturbed the world with dhikrllah and scream it loud, and especially in Nigeria, I wonder what your contribution is exactly.

And you fellow would go as far as isolating or singling out yourselves as "guided". Others are "misguided". That's sucks

Enough Said......Allah's Help is Sought

AbuuBilaal:
^please mention just one narration stating that the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam worshiped Allah by ranting Allah, Allah. You won't find!!!

Or these Sufis understand that verse than the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam and his companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum? !

You people have a very strange view in conflict with Sunni majority. We have talked about this here but not with you. I think lexiconkabir. There is SPECIFIC act of worship PRESCRIBED and MUST be followed as such. Such as obligatory tenets. Other act of worship which are voluntary is up to individual to do as much as he/she can. Not everything nabi (SAW) said he did. For as long as an act is within Sharia, there is no problem. This is what Sunnis have understood. Technically, every good act is "worship". We learned that even if you remove obstacle from the road is an act of worship but it falls under different category.

I dont expect nabi (saw) to sit down somewhere and shout Allah Allah repeatedly just like i dont expect him to say after his name sallaAllahu alaiy wasalam. All these are for us. Not him.The Most Glorious Name of Creator is Allah so call him by that.

Here is Sunnis' view on saying "Allah" repeatedly


Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Question: Assalam’aleykum,

Is it permissible for a person to say ‘Allah’ repeatedly as a form of Remembrance?

I thought we were supposed to worship Allah only in the ways He has delineated for us…



Answer: Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

I pray this finds you in the best of health and spirits.

The Divine Command to ‘make much remembrance of Allah’ is general, and anything considered ‘remembrance’ (dhikr) fulfills it. Given this, it is permitted by general agreement of the majority of Sunni scholarship to make dhikr of individual names of Allah, such as the Supreme Name, ‘Allah.’

Regarding worshipping Allah ‘only in the ways He has delineated for us’, one must understand:

a) what innovation is;

b) that the ways delineated for worship and practice in the Qur’an and Sunna are two types:

i) specific;

ii) general.

Specific implementations of general ways of worship and practice are accepted if in accordance with the principles of the Shariah, and rejected otherwise.

Please see: The Concept of Bid’a in the Islamic Shari’a

And Allah alone gives success.

Faraz Rabbani

http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2016/04/25/13865/

geebril:
which prophet exactly??

the dude usually thinks from his anus. he is a waste of time

pretty much speaks on this subject. Help yourselves if you can


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWUIBTKlBo

Kaysalas:
hello kindly provide another link to the videos. Not on the YouTube link you provided earlier. Trying to get a balanced view here.

Obviously the clip is removed. Either YouTube user is terminated or user himself removed it. There may be similar videos to watch on YouTube.

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EazyMoh:
OK I hope we learn a thing or two from this discussion, good night.

No problem. have a nice sleep

johnydon22:
lol this is another new thing.... never heard about the Dna thingy but i am one of those that are quite sure Igbos aint Isrealites... the ones claiming that should go and argue with their ancestors.

Everything evolved from Black. So i dont understand why Igbos would want to claim they evolved from Jews. I read the news few days ago. So check it out. result is expected to be out in August. Anyways, make i no derail further.

EazyMoh:
Dialogue is always the best option.
The first thing is try to find out what did the mosque violated to deserve demolition and then try to fix it from there.

talks is cheap. See how you talk. This is what happens when you only read texts and don't put it into practice. It is really laughable the way you sounnd. Keep taking to them. I can guarantee you they will demolish it. Masajid and Muslim community centers in the USA are standing today not bcuz of some silly, nonsense talks "privately" with leaders. THEY ARE STANDING BCUZ WE STOOD UP TO THEM.

EazyMoh:
All the crisis in the middle east are politically motivated.

kindly ignore POLITICS in this discourse. I'm talking about PROTEST itself. Everything is political no matter where you look at it.

There thousands of the prophet's commands are not observed by Muslims and their countries Saudi inclusive.

At least you are sincere to say this.

Israel state isn't the leader of Palestinians, so they don't deserve any form of obedience.

Well, they used to be under israel control until 2005 when hamas fought its way out. This was done through ptotests and rebellion against israel and they succeeded. That's why they have Gaza today ruled by them. Again, at least you seem sincere. But a Saudi scholar denounced Palestinians protests which had many Muslims call them hypocrite.

What we have been saying is there is a better way to pass your grievances to the government than storming the street for a civil disobedience.

brother, taking to the streets is never first option in many protests. It is always last option. Talks always preceed until it colapse. Before you take to str to protest minimum wage, you first talk to your boss for as long as it takes. You just don't protest outright. That makes no sense.

Lastly protest is the least of the problems facing the Muslim ummah today. What I'd want you to understand is that the prophet encourages extreme patience and obedience to constituted authority, I rest my case.

you all mixing things up. Your problem is you brothers are not exposed yet. Few yrs from now when you travel more, most likely your view will change and you will understand the hadith better. Now do you care to ponder over the hadith I quoted in support of my argument??.

Also if protests are forbidden, why would Quran have zero tolerance for oppression? . Why would Quran say


"Why would you not fight when men, women and children cry for help "


^^

The above is not quoted. It is paraphrased. You can look it up in the quran yourself. This one is not even talking about "peaceful protests". It is talking about fighting back those who oppress you. But you brothers are saying even if your leader beat you, take your right you should be subservient to them no matter what. Quran trashes that.

Your problem is you brothers turn to hadith first. You gave hadith preference over Quran. That's wrong methodology.

EazyMoh:
Assalamu alaiykum, I've been following your discussion, but can't help to disagree with you.
You see of every command the prophet gave, it must have been the very best solution for such a problem.
Ironically the Syrian example you gave and any other upraising and insurgency in Muslim countries can be traced to the so called "PEACEFUL PROTEST" it may give a temporary solution like the OP admitted and like you pointed out, but it's never the best solution. Mind you even Shi'a started as a peaceful protest and today the Muslim world is devastated from Iraq to Syria to Turkey to Libya all because a people were instigated to go out on the street and protest against their leaders. Today what would you prefer they do? Be patient and try to keep sending delegations to give Nasiha to leaders like Gaddafi, Al Assad and Saddam (notwithstanding their faults) or trooped the streets like they did?
They chose the former and am sure they are now regretting it.
And no matter how you try to keep a protest peaceful, it's highly likely that it gets hijacked by criminals, and as a participant you carry some degree of responsibility. And at the end it's the out come that matters.

And mind you, taking to street to protest is LAST OPTION.

It is not like you have a concern and your start protesting. tiler Won't understand you.

There has to be talks going on like delegating people to talk to them private which is what it is in most cases. If this doesn't work, then next option follows. In many cases it doesn't work but it prolongs public outcry.


Another question for you is, if you live in non-Muslim majority country and govt decides to demolish your masjid are you telling me you would not protest it?.

If protest would lead to violence, this can happen two ways. Either from within protesters or government's agent provocatouers to discredit protesters.

EazyMoh:
Assalamu alaiykum, I've been following your discussion, but can't help to disagree with you.
You see of every command the prophet gave, it must have been the very best solution for such a problem.
Ironically the Syrian example you gave and any other upraising and insurgency in Muslim countries can be traced to the so called "PEACEFUL PROTEST" it may give a temporary solution like the OP admitted and like you pointed out, but it's never the best solution. Mind you even Shi'a started as a peaceful protest and today the Muslim world is devastated from Iraq to Syria to Turkey to Libya all because a people were instigated to go out on the street and protest against their leaders. Today what would you prefer they do? Be patient and try to keep sending delegations to give Nasiha to leaders like Gaddafi, Al Assad and Saddam (notwithstanding their faults) or trooped the streets like they did?
They chose the former and am sure they are now regretting it.
And no matter how you try to keep a protest peaceful, it's highly likely that it gets hijacked by criminals, and as a participant you carry some degree of responsibility. And at the end it's the out come that matters.

Walsikum salaam

Why did Qatar bombed Gadafi and his men on behalf of protesters and why middle east country like Saudi and the West support the move?. Are they not aware of the hadith quoted by the op?.


Why did Saudi bomb Yemen which resulted to protests and lost of lives that you claimed the hadith would prevent? . Is Saudi not aware of the ahadith?.


Finally, is it HARAM for the Palestinians to protest Israeli occupation, slavery and bombings? .

Can you protest minimum wage and price increase on food?


When you answer these questions, i can determine how you think.

And by the way, did you see hadith quoted by me and others in reference to this issue or you chose to ignore?

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subtlemee:
How will those doctors that use to search for treatment on the internet manage now?

there should be company phones and intercoms in the hospitals. It is very inappropriate to use cell phones on the job. Can be very annoying

AngelicBeing:
The fear and tension alone when robbers invade your property will not make you do the right thing, haven't you heard of robbers pointing guns at people who are sleeping and tell them to cooperate or they blow their heads off, Nigeria is more like a country without security at the moment, what do you do as a home owner when you have 7 bad boys with AK-47 inside your living room pointed at you? and you have others waiting at different areas of your building?....

Thats sucks

AlBaqir:
# First, there is no need of trying to hide or sound pitiful. Within the Sufi ta'aifa, there are extremist. However judging the entire Sufiism by the act of this minnows is what is called stupidity.

# Within every sect of Islam, there are extremists who go beyond the tenet of Islam. That is a fact.

# You will see these cavemen sweating once you attack them with Bokoharam, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc being of Salafi sect. This is open secret. The question is why do they attack others with innovation and extremism slogan while what they have within their cult is worse? That simply show how ignorant some of them are. And those that are not ignorant are basically sentimental.

# The OP is a newly recruit of wahabism ideology and no doubt "the thing is still dey shack him". E don happen to some of us too before

I am not denying this at all. I am well aware of it. Fact is, I am not worried about those fellows at all.

Second, I simply asked if there is a specific sect or group KNOWN for this or just fringe within a Sufi group?. If they are simply a group they should be excommunicated.

Third, since op decided to brush Sufism with one brush, he deserves my reply accordingly.

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johnydon22:
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Hey, johndon, how are you doing man?. Long time i heard u. How's life?. How is Igboland?. I heard igbo people want to belong?

They want to force their DNA on Israelis

I hope they are not disappointed when result comes out in August

Did you summit your blood as well?. It is gonna be interesting if your DNAs match zion Jews. You know it means you all can be exported to Israel for manual labor

In that case, Nigerians can take a break from Biafrans bruahaha

We are patiently waiting till August

amanikondo:
For those that argue that having burglary separately is more secure, see the outcome here.
The burglary was removed.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4846307_isherinorth1_jpeg62d71bdfa6e1f99640a980e00867b6f0

Let's ask ourselves questions. For determined thieves to remove this burglary, it takes time to do this. In the process, arent anyone home?. They definitely would hear sounds.

And if they do, they would most likely scream for help and even call police. I believe it is practically impossible for even determined thieves to successfully do this without being obstructed by owner or people or tenants (if any)

So i want to conclude base on this picture that owner might be going through rehab

FastShipping:
I have begun to ask myself why I did the so called burglary proof after seeing this. Nigerian criminals are so hardened to the extent they go any length to rob any house they set their eyes on. These criminals break holes in the wall and enter any house they set their eyes on.

Burglary proof is only for petty thieves.

I am now more than convinced that I need 2-3 sets of AK-47 and some .45 Caliber handguns with thousands of bullet packs in my house to sleep well in Nigeria. If you dare break my wall and I happen to have my guns with me in Nigeria, then either you die or I die that day.

At the end of the day thieves are the only ones that wish you well

Will definitely have couple of those AKs if i smell what the thieves are cooking

pauljumbo:
what is going on

coup d'état

shawl:
The entire write up is a mere rubbish designed to confuse unsuspecting muslims and instil hate among them. Apparently, the write up simply amounts to taking jabs at a certain group using the personal opinions that some people have against other group of people without any textual proof from the sources of the deen.

By the way, what better does one expect from the followers of (or people who have become influenced by) those who systematically destroying Islam from within?

Anyway, from the above quoted alone, suffice to say that the sufis who make zikr of Allah as thus described are obeying the commandment of Allahu ta ala from the holy Quran 7 205:

And remember your Lord within yourself in humility and in fear without being apparent in speech - in the mornings and the evenings. And do not be among the heedless(205). Indeed, those who are near your Lord are not prevented by arrogance from His worship, and they exalt Him, and to Him they prostrate.(206)

But it is not known where the one who calls them "idiot" got his evidence from. And you are happy to help spread it without any sharee' evidences.

As for the quotation attributed to Imam Ghazali, ra, I would have loved to see the direct source of the quotation and not quoting him through the author because Imam Ghazali, ra, can not be said to be opposing them when he is acknowledging the status which they attain while at the same time calling their knowledge "not proper". Something is fishy around that quotation.

"I learned from a sure source that the Sufis are the true pioneers on the path of Allah; that there is nothing more beautiful than their life, nor more praiseworthy than their rule of conduct, nor purer than their morality."

- Imam Ghazali.

Please read here in full how imam Ghazali went from being a religious scholar to totally devoting his life to sufism, from the imam's own auto biography.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?139134-Imam-Ghazali-on-Sufism-and-the-Reality-of-Spiritual-Inspiration

Brothers, don't let people fool you here on NL, about imam Ghazali being against sufism. The people who are against sufis are a small band of people who have been negatively influenced (knowingly or unknowingly) by a recent group of people working to destroy Islam from within.


Updated:
Brothers should please move closer to the truely pious sufi mashayks, true salvation in this deen is with them.

You dey mind them. I know what they trying to do. I want them keep talking.

AbuuBilaal:
Okay, you need to be enlightened on some confusions.

Those who neglect Solah among the Sufis regard it as a sign of eminence and prestige. You have to attain a certain level or become a waliyy according to them before being granted this acclaimed status.
So their case is quite different from those who neglect it out of laziness.
As for the tebligh, it was founded by Muhammad ilyas alKandahlawiyy, he was a deobandi sufi

Both FALSE. Period

Is there any KNOWN sect or group with their famous leader in Nigeria who preaches obligatory salat is not mandatory for him?

I have no problem with tabligh. They contributed greatly

What i dont understand is, why do people think it is only Sufis that innovate?.

The second category, a sincere critique of Sufism would know true sufi abundantly have criticized those people as well. So i really dont know what the bluff is all about. Any muslim may neglect salat and that has nothing to do with sufi. There are bunch of Arabs and many other who have neglect salat. Surveys were conducted by various musllims and non-Muslims about this. So i dont understand how this is Sufi matter to begin with. The one who doesnt pray and the one say says he has reached certain maqama, therefore he's not required to offer salat are in the same boat.

I am lost about the third category. I am not aware of tabligh jamah being sufis. They are "dawah men"

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AlBaqir:
What do you mean Yoruba messed up Nigeria, not Mala? Both are always at the helm of affairs in this country. They both messed up this country. While Yoruba are tactically genius, Mala are thieves stealing more than half of Nigerian resources yet because of their greediness, they still have highest percentage of poverty and illiteracy.

# I will have to watch the video anyway to know what sheik Habib yawn.

they contributed by a very good percentage at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5EgJr4J44


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i know u two were talking about geographical location of ilorin etc. When u have time u may watch this. Really i agree with Sheik Habib on some his mpioint that Yoruba messed up Nigeria NOT Hausa. I remember Diya's regime. The SOB is bastard ijebu man

All humans are dead except those who have knowledge; and all those who have knowledge are asleep, except those who do good deeds; and those who do good deeds are deceived, except those who are sincere; and those who are sincere are always in a state of worry. ~Imam Al-Shafi‘i~

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And don't be surprised too if the Jews return their result with


"Yea, you guys evolved from us. Your DNAS matched ours" just to give them free pass and use them for manual labor. They will help build Israel''s bridges and tunnels like blacks did for America and will be treated like 3rd class "citizens".

They will regret their unholy attachment if this were to happen.

Like a sheik once said, if you grab it (Islam) by the neck, it thrives by the arms. If you grab it by the arms, it thrives by the the feet. And if you completely restrain or try to restrain it, you die trying.

If it like a cat fish. It either shocks you or slip through.

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