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FriendChoice:
That doesn't change the fact, Maulud is bid'a. If they born you well dig everything.

You have a good day mister. You aint academia

FriendChoice:
Nothing like changing tune. Maulud is bid'a and we will warn people against practicing it.

There is something called "live and let's live" . You ever heard of it?.

As i said before, i want to speak less on this subject.If I am to ever post on Mawlud here again, it is only meant for academic purposes for readers.

And since you and your cohorts have also refused to tell us about Saudi national and kings day celebration, if it is bid'a or not, your claim of mawlud will ALWAYS be null and void.

I just dont want to dig too much. If i do that, you will realize yourself is bid'a. So you rather just leave it AS IT IS or provoke further and I will dig further and you will be shivering and gasping on straw.

This is my conclusion.

"DUNIYA" 'Is' 'A' 'School',

''DEEN'' Is A Department

''ISLAM'' Is A Class',

''WE' 'Are' 'Student',

"QURAN" 'Is' 'Sylabus',

"Ramadan" 'is '"Test"

"SALAT" 'Is' 'Practical',

MOHAMMAD" Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam
'Is' 'Teacher',

"ALLAH" 'Is' 'Examiner',&

'Qiyamat 'Is 'Date 'Of 'Result'


'So,''TRY' 'To 'Get' good result.

Culled from Professor Ishaq Oloyede.


Sunday, December 4, 2016

I BURIED MY FATHER --------- Prof. Ishaq Oloyede


I BURIED MY FATHER


I buried my beloved father on Saturday 3rd December, 2016 with prayers. No food, no drinks. I cant bury my father and bury my money.


The funeral ceremony was a one-day affair (janazah and fidau). No 3rd day or 7th day prayer. I will pray for him everyday of my life. The whole ceremony was simple and not expensive. I took no loan. I didnt borrow one kobo. It only cost me canopies and chairs.


There were no drinks, no music and no dancing at my father's funeral. How could I dance on my father's grave? I slaughtered no single cow, not even a chicken when I buried my father. I cannot afford to live a false life. I remain oppressed.


But now I feel relaxed. I am emboldened. No creditor can knock on my door because I took no loan to bury my father. I stayed within my limit.


Bury me when I die. Bury me like I buried my father. Bury me like I lived. Bury me the way I love. No noise, no music, no drinks, no dancing. Bury me as a Muslim.



Prof. Ishaq Oloyede,
The Registrar
JAMB.

lexiconkabir:
you still don't get it.

that's how i understood his initial msg. Maybe I misunderstood him? . I like to know what he's up to

FriendChoice:
I did not say they are mushriks sir. And I don't go calling people names. I even live with multiple of people doing it and does not stop me from saying it's bidi'a. Its not a fight. Someone resort to fight when he has nothing tangible to say.

changing tune. Isoright

Plappvillemoi:
Saudi NL recruted agent..You are not free stop lie lie joor.

pain in the neck

FriendChoice:
Look at your foolish thinking. Did Allah stop people from associating partners tackles of innovation. You should have keep quiet than uttering this words.

these are Muslim people not mushrik. Over 80%of them do it except your side. If you go around calling people innovators bcuz of this you are going against sunnah.

FriendChoice:
None of these school of taught celebrate Maulud. What you write would not stop us from calling bidi'a and Preaching for people to stay away from it. It's now left for the people to decide.

go ahead and call them alhu bida'a. Allah knows who truly worship Him. So long as those two practices are not traced back to rosul, according to your doggy ideology they will continue to mean bida'a....school of thought or not. Period. I got more but keep gasping on these two


@snapscore, Saudis celebrate their kings and national day on September 23rd. Where is that in kitab and sunnah?.

Thanks for quoting ibn taymiyah (ra). His only problem is the day set aside. That's his opinion unfortunately. Many great scholars were involved before him and after him but mawlud continues in 21st century since 6th century. Long enough if its concept was bad, Allah would have stopped it by Divine Power. Many religions appeared within 6th and 21st century and they are no more but mawlud prevails. What do you want to do about it?.

AbuHammaad:
Oh you saw that too? He was telling me about 80s. What's all that? I think he was just looking for someone to engage .
Fortunately, I'm the wrong person. I'm a very busy person and I don't like wasting my time on people who aren'tready to learn.
He better look for someone else

80s & 90s surprised you? .

Oh well, that was a tip of iceberg. I was simply saying Nigerian shuyuk did engage Saudi shuyuk back then on many issues we discussing now. Don't think I don't think I don't know what I'm taking about.

I listened to sheik Albani and utheimeen (ra) countless times in this. What's secret about it?.

FriendChoice:
That was simply my answer what they said. School of taught. You won't here my input. Their input is basically my input. Some of them believe in it while some don't. (Which 1 I am don't concern you).

But one thing is sure we will not practice maulud and we will preach against it.

Where are you taking me to? Are you going 2 break my head.

Good. The isnad simply did not go back to the prophet(SAW). But going by your narrow thought, "what is NOT in the Qur'an, NOT in the sunnah is bid'a". So you what they did was ijtihad, qiyas. These are part of Shar'a but can be flexible. The same way Mawlud started. It was based on ijtihad and qiyas. Hence, you have no right to label anyone innovator. No you dont have that right.

Ibn Taymiyah(ra) did not call Mawlud bid'a. He said it is simply "a matter of ijtihad but if some people innovate in it that what needs to be condemned."

So bye bye with you doggy ideology. You dont understand what you doing. Great Ulama have celebrated mawlud since 6th cent. You not gonna come here in 21st century and term it bid'a. Thats your opinion.

If you are not invited, simply do not go there. If you go there uninvited, and started yelling "bid'a bid'a bid'a", they need to tie your legs and hands together and place microphone by your mouth until they finish.

AbuHammaad:
Why don't you go back and ask the Salaf why they distinguished themselves from all these people in their books.
Before this becomes another back and forth, let me just put it you that I'm not interested in any argument and
I probably won't reply you so don't stress. I don't like irrelevant arguments especially when I know the person
is not willing to learn.

But you wanted to get folks to criticize Mufti menk indirectly, If you not interested, why bringing it out to begin with?. Back off then and stop spreading mischieves. Mind you i dont need to be told about Salafi. I was for 4 yrs. So am not naive.

The reason they tried to distinguish themselves was tackled by nigerian shuyuk also in the 80s and 90s. They simply make takfir of other muslims which is quite obvious on NL as well. What knowledge that benefits muslims?. Muslim will be muslim until he openly renounces his faith. Aqeeda is somethign embedded in our heart. There is no way anyone can penetrates that. Allah has not chosen anyone to police others' heart.

What you people are doing is EXACTLY what SHias are doing to you. Thats why i fold my hands and watch. Whats the difference btw both.

FriendChoice:
That has been answered by snapscore. Or do you forget when you alleged that I have no idea of what to say? Go back to previous post and check.

No. I need your input. Dont hide behind skirt. What she provided was not qola Allah qola Rosul.

Since you said you obey Allah, His messanger and authority and refer back to Allah's book, where is EVIDENCE of Quran competition and Walimot since you also believe or participates in it. If you dont, Saudi authority also organizes this program. But the program officially started by a Sunni-Sufi Sultan in Malaysia.

So is Quran competition and walimot ul Quran bid'a or not? It is YES or No answer akhi. You may never know where i am driving you so dont try messing with me

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AbuHammaad:
This is what Shaykh Wasiullah Abbas said about him

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/thewayofsalafiyyah./2015/05/19/mufti-ismail-menk-is-salafi-or-deobandi-by-shaykh-wasiullah-abbas/amp/?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us

I read the 1st 2 paragraphs. Same old nonsense. Nothing is new. "Aqeeda shoppers" everywhere. I will take my time to read finish later.

What Else is new?. This is what Salafism is about "aqeeda shopping complex" and seeking what individual is or not. I need evidence from kitab and sunnah ordering you to dig into people private belief please?.

Salafism as we know it is not of the salaf. This one is parading itself to following aslaf. Anyone who believes with conviction La ilaha ila Allah and testify that Nabi Muhammad is His messenger is a Muslim. Anything else is secondary.

Mr. Menk was right from what i read in the first 2 paragraphs. Salafis today's gatherings of "knowledge" is actually "gathering of criticism". There is no beneficial knowledge in that. I am sorry, I just have to be blunt.

You have completely misunderstood and misused aslaf. All muslims follow Allah, His messanger(saw) and the Sahaba. Evidence?, 5 daily prayers, zakat, Haj, Ramadan. These are fundamentals aqeeda that we do not differ.

Anything else is jealousy, hate, politics, ideology, methodology and you name it. What do you want from Mr. Menk?. To say "I am salafi"?. How important is that?.

I am sorry, i do not see anything in the Quran and Sunnah saying we should call ourselves, Salafi, sufi and those those nonsense names. There are plenty ahadith confirming that anyone who testifies La ilaha ila Allah will enter Jannah. Of Course i am aware of some conditions.

You people are genesis of fitna in islam. I tried not to say it but you continue to proof it. Your Ulama did not help you at all. They instigated this fitna for real.

Leave Mufti Menk alone and face front. Worry about your final destination instead of chasing who is on what aqeeda. Not a beneficial knowledge.

Allah's Help Is DEFINITELY sought

FriendChoice:
Yes that's the way of Salafi following Allah, Prophet and Those in Authority. If they have misunderstanding they go back to Allah and his prophet. Salafism wount be mentioned. Hypocrite.

Salaf simply means predecessors. In this context, it would refer to Sahaba like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali{RA} to simply put. Did any of these people practiced Quran competition, walimot Quran, spent paper money and the list goes on. Your kind reply is needed, sir.

AbuHammaad:
From what I've gathered so far, he seems to be one of those "we are all Muslims, let's be united" kind of preachers and doesn't want to take a stand. Look! Mu'tazilis, Ash'aris, Naqshabandi, Deobandi, Jamaatu Tabligh all claim to be Muslims. How do you then differentiate between yourself and these people? Some of these people do what even the salafiyyah do in action (Beards, izbal and all that) but their aqeedah are all susceptible. What am I trying to say

Once your aqeedah is not of the salaf, then you are not salafee. What we should be asking ourselves is what exactly is Mufti Menk's aqeedah?

That said, the scholars have always advised us to be wary of so-called preachers who aren't recommended by top scholars. Going by his popularity, if he is of the salaf, the scholars would definitely have recommended him

Friendchoice snapscore

Where is your EVIDENCE from KITAB & SUNNAH encouraging this type of division?

FriendChoice:
O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result. [Quran 4:59]


And, [moreover], this is My path, which is straight, so follow it; and do not follow [other] ways, or you will be separated from His way. This has He instructed you that you may become righteous. Qur'an 6:159


This is the definition.

I am sorry, these are verses instructing ALL muslims. I dont see you mention Salafism at all. Who do you think you messing with?.

Why didnt you quote kitab and sunnah when i asked u about first question?. Alabosi

FriendChoice:
I have tell you since am not interested in your discussion. That's the definition of Sufism. All aforementioned are characteristics of Sufism. You should rather stop talking on Religion not me because I don't promote innovations.

All the definitions above are valid, they can be found in Almuqamatul Hariri. (Sufi Doctrine Book).

You have a long way to go. By the way, what is salafism?

RABIUSHILE04:
Jazakumullaahu khayran ukhtii, I was even busy ystdy sef. This Mr. E.mpiree guy/man, na ppl like, shebi rasullullaah did not use spoon, y r we now using spoon, shebi e did not use microphone..etc. I think. We should THINK with our brain o.

Kindly quote me anywhere where i made this nonsense statement?.

As muslims, whatever we do in Islam, we should always ask ourselves, is dis in line wif kitab wa sunnah, did rasulullaah do dis, did he do dat etc!!!

Have you ever participated and still participating in Qur'an competition, Walimot ul Qur'an?. If so, where is your reference from kitab and Sunnah?. If you never participated or dont believe either, is it bid'a?. ALL muslims involved in these activities including Saudi Arabia. Is it Sunnah since Saudi also do it and where is your reference?

Note, Quran competition was started in Malaysia by same Sufi people in 1961. That's many centuries after Nabi (saw). So let's hear your view please

RABIUSHILE04:
Empiree and co just want to justify their claims on celebrating this foolish MAULUD. I rmb an hadith that rasulullaah said, his ummah in later zaman/generation that we'll imitate these YAHUDs/Jews and NASARA/christians in everytyn.

These are signs of the LAST HOUR.

Allaahs help is sought.

Saudi National day and their kings day is what? Sunnah?

FriendChoice:
Yeah I don't want to be relevant to you. The more I become relevant to you the greeter I deviate from the truth.

It's better I become irrelevant to you and be relevant to the truth and to it lovers.


Sufism is an Islamic sect that believes in the teachings of some people parading themselves as Prophet grandchildren. A Sufi believes in the teachings of those so called grand children whether its true or false.

Those sufis innovators can get inspiration via dream of new innovation into Islam example: Revelation of Salatul Fatihi From dream.

Sufism is the act comparing the position of the so called grandchildren with Prophet (SAW) and Allah himself Astaghfutulla.

Some few explanation.

Inna li lahi waina ilahi rojiun. This is definition of sufism according to you?. Brother, please kindly STOP talking about religion. It is obvious now why YOU UNDERSTAND NOT everything I have been saying. This is crazy. And the ones giving you 'likes & shares" doesnt think either. Give me a reason I should keep up convos with you now if you can't define sufism?.

This is sad. I am keeping this for record.

You have a good day

SubhannaAllah!

These old men have adressed issues we are now debating. May Allah grant them Janna Fir'daus Ameen

Unfortunately, friendchoice doesnt speak yoruba....that's just too bad. Maybe one of your cohorts could help you out if they are able to listen to these audios.

Title

Wiridi {sufism} Part 1 & 2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Hyw6szaOw&t=2682s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8nntHGjxNI

Endeavor to listen to both clips at your convenience. Help yourselves. One of the clips is 50mins long. The other is 40 mins. Listen as many times as you can and figure out if what I have been saying contradicts what he said. I am speaking less on these issues from now on unless it is absolutely necessary. Whoever have liberty to listen should help friendchoice. You can then help yourselves with references. Thats your homework. I have mine stored in my library.

parisbookaddict:
its really sad what happened in uyo.
From what we know
1. The building was still under construction
2. Building codes were violated
3. Nigeria a third world country has one of the highest rates of building collaspe in the world.
4. This was not an accident. It was murder due to negligence


Well there are very significant differences brtween this incident and the mosque,
which you know.
now let me mention this about the mosque
If Islamic Allah can not protect his followers in his grand mosque, one of the "holiest" mosques in Islam in very rich Saudi Arabia just a few miles from mohammeds home. If he can't and days later 2000 additional Muslims get killed during hajji. What hope is there for Muslims in northern Nigeria.

make I trouble you small cus u got big mouth. Out of RESPECT for the victims was the reason I didn't want to leave this type of comment. But now that you opened your mouth big, I think I should.

First all, if the victims were Muslim, they are called shuhada. But since they are not, I wonder why their Jesus, holy Spirit, holy ghost and Paul did not see it coming to warn them of pending predicament?


I wonder where those "prophets" gone before this happened?. Where was TB joshua?....master of boolshit prophecies.

All they 'predict' was xyz evil is coming in order to exhort money from the gullibles. Now the real evil happened nine of them fake pastors saw it coming.

Why did Christian god did not see this coming?

It means your religion is fake

All the "PROPHECIES" are nonsense. So excuse Muslims out of this. YOUR CHICKEN CAME HOME TO ROOST

FriendChoice:
@Bolded colored are only your lies that does not worth the weight of an atom.

Never ever attribute lies to school of taughts that have dedicated their lives in Woking for Sunnah of the prophet (SAW). They are never sufis (innovators).

Concerning fasting on Monday: I did not say it was prescribed for a particular sect, It's prescribed for all Muslims unlike Maulud that is prescribed for Innovators only.

We must condemn and warn people not to practice Maulud and we will never stop doing so against this innovation. Some people will stop it (Alhamdulillah many) while some like you will continue. And life goes on.


Our aim is just to speak. Decision is in the hands of the listener.

You're Are supposing to say Assalamu Alaikum NOT Wa'alaikumus salaam.

You are becoming irrelevant now. ..astagfurllah.

What is sufism?.

If I want I could have ignored. Just answer that question. That should give me clue about you.

FriendChoice:
Mtsw. She copied it from Islamic qa. I even told her where she got it and you're here telling me I don't know what to answer, look at the screenshot bellow. Read my previous post. I said I don't want to reply you. Ask her where did she get the information nonsense. I have read the reply on Islamic Q since. I just don't want to reply u as I stated above. Those scholars of taught are not Sufi old man.


Go and do your innovations but we are not buying it. We will fast tomorrow inshaAllah as does by Prophet Muhammad (SAW) not by your sufi lair.


I have said it long time ago. Dont take us serious because we will not practice that innovation you're selling.

Fasting on Mondays and Thursdays is recommended for all muslims. The prophet did not mention sect. Quran competition which was not mentioned by the prophet as invented by Sufi in Malaysia in 1960 or 62. Unfortunately, they did not carry the name 'sufi" for head. They introduced it using their ijtihad. They used their logical deduction. Same thing with Walimot and Mawlud.

All these activities were introduced and encouraged till today in nigeria by same sufis. But then, they did not do so under sufism but under Islam and muslims. Period.

Today, y'all condemning it after benefiting big time from everything. Thats ungrateful. Mind you, I only participated once in Mawlud during my finals in ile-kewu in 1996. I finished unofficially in 1993 but did not graduate i:e Quran competition. I had to come back in 1996 to complete everything which happened to fall on Mawlud. So i did Quran competition, walimo and mawlud about same time. That was it.

I have not been in any since. I benefited knowledge in mawlud, hence i see absolutely no reason to condemn it as bid'a. Thats nonsense. No one forces you to do it but pls, kindly not call people innovators bcus they celebrate mawlud bcuz that makes you agent of fitna.

You will ONLY successfully refute Mawlud by bringing Qola Allah Qola Rosul FORBIDDEN it directly from them. Not Sheik fulan. And definitely not "it is not done by the prophet and sahaba". Thats not evidence

Mawlud is valid SO LONG as the activities are Shari'a compliant. Otherwise, you have no case against it.

Walaikum Salaam

FriendChoice:
Read the post on it above concerning how schools of taught explain it. That's my believe.

Who are you deceiving?. You simply did not know the answer. You simply had no idea until she posted that. I am never against neither mawlud, walimo or Quran competition. They are all introduced by the Sufis. I wonder if you people were pioneers, you wouldnt do anything in the name of bida.

So it was sufis who introduced all the activities that you are now condemning today. This goes to show you can never understand islam better than those men. Go to Walimot thread... your brothers said it is innovation.

So there is no way am talking any of you serious

FriendChoice:
Exactly.

Do u agree with fundamentlist that walimot is bid'a?. He share same ideology with u

snapscore:
I just posted it in case it might clear some doubts. There are many glaring reasons why Mawlid shouldn't be celebrated. The OP already gave enough reasons for it.

As for Mawlud, you cant just quote one side of Ulama and neglect others. Majority scholars are in support except few.

Mawlud is both gathering of knowledge and gathering dhikr plus brings Muslim together. Hence, you people are not reasoning. Your focus appears to be "birthday" which sounds dunce to me. Thats what many focus on instead of ESSENCE

snapscore:
I just posted it in case it might clear some doubts. There are many glaring reasons why Mawlid shouldn't be celebrated. The OP already gave enough reasons for it.

No, i dont disagree with Walimot. I was simply using analogy to get him to reason.

Besides, the same people who invented Walimot tul Quran and Quran competition are the same who invented Mawlud

Fundamentalist:
It's forbidden because it's an innovation in religion. Anybody that thinks otherwise must provide proof for it. When and how it should be conducted

Here it is. Do you agree with him?

Fundamentalist:
It's forbidden because it's an innovation in religion. Anybody that thinks otherwise must provide proof for it. When and how it should be conducted

freidnchoice, that's ur. You can see what he said about walimot. Do you agree with him?

Plappvillemoi:

I dont want to see your teeth. Please close it bcuz it stinks

U see obvious fact i presented. So pls close ur teeth