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true2god:
There is nothing academic or technical here. The evil instructions of Mohammed are very clear, as written in the Koran.

Going by this statements of yours, we can as well bring this upage from the bible.


It Is Has Clear As Day Light - VERY CLEAR


Luke 19 vs 27

FredN:
Will take your comments to mind when I have time to study the koran some more

alright

Istiqama


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjY7RUMSHUc

true2god:
Hadith by bukhari Muslim are historical narrations of the sayings of your prophet while sunnah are.the deeds, so stop sounding as if the hadith are not part of Islamic source materials.

The guy quoted hadith and Qur'an throughout and you never refuted any of his argument. You look confused or deceptive.

Seems you only watch what suits you, You didnt see many comments and videos refuting his confusion?. He did not respond to muslims. He did not respond to rebuttals. Thats why i stopped talking to him. So I am not confused.

true2god:
As I said earlier, you can't cherry-pick what you want in the hadith and ignore the rest, especially the ones that exposed your prophet as a criminal. You can't turn your hadith into a basket of tomato where you choose the good ones and reject the bad ones. You either accept all what you see in the hadith, especially sahih Bukhari, or you reject it in its entirety. And to warn/advise you, if you reject any of the hadith while you are in Saudi Arabia, your head might be separated from your shoulder. You know that public beheading is a fun in Saudi Arabia.

Even while you try to de-associate yourself from some of the hadith, the quran is no better. See some of the disgraceful advice from your evil quran:

Quran 8:1, the sahabas must not ask Mohammed about the war booty they loot from the infidels.

Quran 8:41, 20% of war booty belong to Mohammed and relatives of the war fallen sahabas.

Quran 5:51, Muslims must never take the Jews and the Christians as friends.

Quran 9:29, Muslims should fight the Christians and the Jews for rejecting allahh and his messenger.

Quran 9:29, Christians must pay the jizya, for protection, if they dont want to be attacked by Muslims.

Quran 98: 6, the Christians and the Jews are the worst of creatures while Muslims are the best of mankind (quran 3:110).

Quran 65:4, a girl who never mensurated can be married and divorced.

Quran 8:60, Muslims must arm themselves with all weapons of war in order to fight the infidels. Also the motto of the Muslim brotherhood.

Quran 2:191-192, muslim must fight infidels wherever they fight them and kill them wherever the kill then. Unbelief, according to Mohammed, is worse than killing.

Quran 2:193, Muslims must kill all infidels until there is no fitna (unbelieve) and religion is for allahh.

Quran 8:39, Muslims must be merciful to themselves but ruthless to non-muslims. Let me stop here first.

The quran is as deadly as the ha-death. They are both inspiration for bloodshed and hatred for non-muslims. In Saudi Arabia, they spent most of their time, in the mosque, cursing the Christians and the Jews. Islam is evil bro.

This is not academic. You think it is Bible?

FredN:
What exactly is the difference between the doctrines and history of islaM

The history is supposed to be a record of how the doctrines has helped others. Kindly explain how we are expected to ignore the history and follow the doctrines

"DOCTRINE in this context is Islamic beliefs system called "Aqeeda". That's, believe in One God, Angels, prophets and messangers, Qadar. Also salat, Ramadan, zakat, hajj.

The above mentioned are legislated and their is no difference of opinion. They are the pillars and foundations of islam. These are CONFIRMED and VERIFIED by Muhammad(p) himself


HISTORY is self explained. Every Tom, Dick and Harry can tell stories. And those stories attributed to the prophet(SAW) do not exist in the Quran saved tiny bit. Some are correct. Some are bogus and unreliable. Qur'an is not history book. So it does not tell story about Muhammad himself. His personal stories are recorded separately in his seerat, hadith etc by people. As muslims, stories told about him that are in harmony with Quran is what is acceptable. Quran already protectS behaviours/CHARACTERS of Muhammad. Hence, stories that are unfounded or questionable that are attributed to him are not binding on muslims who chose not reject them. UNDERSTAND?

^^^

I was going to say are you sure it cooks inside.

Thank God you said you like it "welldone"

tintingz:
To you and culture she's promiscuous but to psychologist she's polyandrous.

Tu face has 3 babymamas and a wife was he polygynous or promiscuous?

See, you would done better if you stick to DEFINITION of POLYGAMY & POLYANDRY.

2face having baby mamas is promiscuous as well. In another word, CONCUBINES. By legal definition, him having baby mamas is NOT polygamy. Remember, we are dealing with legal definitions and consequences here. 2face is not currently practicing polygamy despite having multiple women.

May I remind you of a fuji star back in the late 90s who said:


"I (man) can have as many wives as I want, nothing wrong with it. But if a woman should have more than one husband she is promiscuous (LovePeddler)."

parisbookaddict:
I doubt. Ex muslims make excellent and passionate Christian apologists.

You should watch his new youtube videos. So much death threats in the comments section. .you guys need to be tolerant

You want to tell me about him?. I watched his videos. Never for once he addresses doctrine of islam but history that is bound with fallacies. That alone repudiates his nonsense. Death threats or not, that's those people's problem. The guy only pointed 3 people who threatened him out of hundreds of peaceful comments by muslims.

Oh, you didnt read irrational and insultive comments by his fans?. I guess you left thst out on purpose.

Plappvillemoi:
Oh yes maybe, you know People are careful this days. Whenever you are in a public place. Once a young Muslim man come in. Keep ur distance. Because thy use knife tactics now in tbe West..



More:



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More:
The list is long. But I will stop here. Now tell me why one should feel secured?

Hypocrite! How about this?. It is only 3 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQW7DsRI774

Plappvillemoi:
He looks ugly in his Muslim code..

I know 33 reverts to islam in ijesha really knocked you off. You cant boost of that of your faith. If he is ugly really none of your business. According to christians, 'faith is in the heart' not the look. Olodo

Plappvillemoi:
More suicide bombers recruted. It seem Nigeria lacks some..

U insecured

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parisbookaddict:
U are mistaken. He renounce islam earlier in thw year but accepted christ just last week. 1st December, hence the reason for the OP.

And he will be met with the same nonsense he criticized islam of. Give him time before he runs out of christianity. All he needs is time.

4nobody4every1:
Honestly @ FastShipping that Bronze statue is still cracking my ribs, oh my gosh, Nairaland una go kill person with laugh, l still cannot stop laughing, abeg lastpage, no more gifs from you because my eyes are filled with tears of laughter

I just spilled my cup of tea on me bcuz i could not hold the cup just by looking at the picture. Really true ribs cracker.


Abeg, enough talking. Eyes dey itch. We want to see pictures of beautiful houses. Bring'em on please

tintingz:
E.g Rihanna is polyandrous(no marriage involve). In many culture she's seen as promiscuous but in her nature, she's being polyandrous.

I hope I'm clear?

Your analogies dont add up. As for Rihanna, she's EXAcTly as you rightly said (bolded). Ask her if she's polyandrous, she probably doesnt know what it means. She will tell you she is not.

Read more. .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamistruth./2011/01/25/prostration-sajda-on-carpet/amp/?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us

Rafidi:
brother, why do you sound confused and scared?

are you insinuating that there are Muslims, and in particular Shia, who attribute specifi deity with it? what sort of statement is that?

you have been presented with facts from Sunni Sahih books that even in the time of the Prophet (s), the Prophet (s) insisted that the companions pray on earth/clay and not on any material. and it is also mentioned that companions molded clay and did sujood on it. and you have been told time without number that we prostrate ON it and not TO it or FOR it. if it is not a matter of imaginative "shirk", it is about how convenient in carrying it around. your first point is about carrying it around being a burden. i asked you if carrying prayer mats around can also be seen as burder. you have skipped that first point and raised another insinuation.

Why are you stressing yourself over this?. You are insinuating what I didn't even think about. As for clay and Mat analogy, doesn't add up.

Anyways, here are some did for u

aminusanti:
D diff is
I understnd my scripture and that's why I don't kill pple n they don't
And how bout u? what differentiate them from you?
Whats dis pics for?

These people you are conversing with are PRODUCTS OF RA!PE BY BANDITS.

They are irrelevant. And you know already how people borne through rape behave.

usermane:
So now you agree that one can deny Sharia and still be Muslim? That is great, given that only earlier, you were supporting the speaker's stance that denying sharia equal kufr

Common man, you are smarter than this. When you said Shari'a, thats a broad context. Weren't you taught the basics of Islam, that's, things that take one out of the fold?.Hijab is not one of them. For instance, it is forbidden in Shari'a to drink (beer, alcohol etc). But if a muslim does, he/she is sinning. It does not take one out of the fold. Get it?. However, this does not mean forcing Hijab on her. She has to understand it before practicing it. You simply do not want to look into the breakdown. Thats your problem

Which example? I beg. You need me to remind you of the many prohibitions and prescriptions in Hadith that cannot be found in Qur'an? Monotheism, is a very delicate subject.

If you can't give example, your allegation is null and void

Tell me about the rabbits, George. Please see Quran 48:02 and 93:07. Muhammad was never perfect and for this reason, all his words, deeds or silent approvals cannot be taken at face value.

He is human, Yes, By that, of course, he is not perfect. But onus is on you to provide specific info about alleged mistake. Dont just lump things together.

I think I answered this question in the past. I never needed a reason for the revelation of any verse, without finding the reason within the passage containing the verse.

You believe hadith about killing apostate is precise, and since you believe Qur'an alone, doesnt Qur'an says things like that?.How do you defebd yourself if confronted by non-muslims if you dont know the context?

Thank you.

You welcome

Thank you, Mr.

You welcome again

Again, thank you. Your problem is you still believe in Hadith about Muhammad on flying horse to visit God and bargain the number of daily salat. You still have the understanding that salat came with Muhammad, so please, I really don't have it in me to flog the dead horse again.

Jump jump jump. Keep jumping around topics[/quote]@bold. Please read and digest the verse properly. Preferably read from the 27th verse to the main verse. Yes, some sahabas have been promised paradise according to 9:100, but not all of them. Muhammad's complain in Qur'an 25:30 foretell that MOST of the his people(those he delivered the Quran to) will reject the Qur'an. This is contrary to the idea that all of Arabia embraced Islam after Muhammad.[/quote]Qur'an is still here today. The implication is that, the ayah could not be restricted to Sahaba only. The verse will continue to function. And no one denies some sahaba disbelieved or were hypocrites. It is none of our business to phish them out

usermane:
This perfectly sum up why I can't have a decent Islamic discourse with you and majority of traditionalists. You view on Islam and monotheism is very narrow and shallow. Please see Qur'an 2: 62. Of course, your Ulamas have abrogated it, but whatever. One can lead a man to knowledge but twenty cannot make him think.

You are expected to quote this Ayah. Nothing is abrogated about it.

For short, it simply means those who have faith in God, dont know or hear about islam or Muhammad (saw), or have misconceptions about him or Islam, they are free of guilt. It is not talking about those who are shown the truth but reject it willingly.

usermane:
It doesn't change anything. It is part of sharia, implemented or not implemented.

Your opinion. you sound like those muslims who do not differetiate fard and Sunnah

Dude the hadith on killing apostate are straight forward, sahih and mention nothing about the condition under which apostates are to be killed. "Kill anyone who change his faith", No more, No less.

You can interpret "amputation" but this has no explanation or interpretation?. dont you think you are deceiving yourself?

What are you saying? Islam is a personal religion between one and his Lord. An act of worship is rewarded based upon intention, if a Muslim does not believe an act of worship is compulsory, he get no reward if the state or police compels him to observe it. No compulsion in religion covers everyone.

Obviously there is no way of knowing if a muslim doesnt pray unless he openly declares it.. That's how he/she gets attention of authority. For fasting ramadan, there is no way of knowing except if he/she eat publicly. Even at that, there are excuses. But eating public is not wise. Same goes for zakat. So your impression that religious police would chastise them doesnt really makes sense. And i have not seen where any muslim is beat up for this. There is simply no way of knowing unless the person openly preaches against it. Then, authority has the right to step in. Like it or not. remedies for those who dont pray are crystal clear. LECTURES here and there

No one is disputing these practices, the question here is; can a Muslim be forced to observe them by the state or police of the Muslim community? This is where the verse on "No compulsion in religion" fall in.

refer up there. "No compulsion in religion" doesn't apply to Muslims

Are you saying that anyone today who does not accept Muhammad as messenger is doom for hell? Seriously E.mpiree, I find you perception of Islam to very mundane.

Yes! did the Qur'an fall from the sky?. Are the Jews who reject Jesus prophet hood not gonna be hell-bound?

usermane:
He clearly ignores the multiple verses that reveal anyone who accept God alone and observe righteousness is a believer. Hijab, jihad, he thinks these physical things are what will guarantee eternal life.

Am sorry, i think you are deficient in your understanding of religious text. Believe in God alone, yes, that makes one a believer. Other things you mentioned are legislation. Hijab is mandatory but if a muslima does not wear it in contempt against order given by God in the QURAN, she is still a believer but she is simply sinning. She is disobedient believer. Very simple. Just like a Muslim who deals drugs. He is still Muslim but disobedient one.

Hadith
Our speaker like all Hadith proponents invoke the Quranic phrase "Obey Allah and obey the messenger". He says obey the messenger mean obey the Hadith, not the Quran. If God decrees in the Quran and Muhammad decrees outside the Quran, then Muhammad is another Lord beside the God of the Quran. Gross violation of monotheistic principle. God never shares His authority of legislation with anyone. God alone legislates and decrees, the messenger only delivers(Quran 5:99) and he does not share God's authority in legislating. Monotheism is deeper than you traditionalists understand.

underlined is ABSOLUTELY correct. Forget about whether a hadith is sahih, daif or fabricated. That's another issue. Bolded, you can give example?

Obey the messenger is an allusion to those who claim to obey God, whilst rejecting Muhammad's message. To get these people to the Quran, it is not enough to call them to God, they already claim to obey God. The need to call them to the messenger.

humm

The speaker said the sunnah encompass all Muhammad's deeds, speech and even actions he approved or did not condemn.

Yes. When you were in what you called "orthodox Sunni Islam", what was the definition of hadith growing up as you were taught?. They defined hadith as SAYINGS, DEEDS, SILENT APPROVAL of the prophet(SAW) right?. Here again, forget about categories of hadith. That's irrelevant here.

No wonder Hadith books are filled with repulsive tales of Muhammad's sexual life. Before the revelation, Muhammad like all men was flawed. Receiving the message of course improved him, but it didn't make him perfect. Messengers of God whist being role models for believers are not perfect manuals or substitute for the scripture.

Can you please give example of his "flaws" before revelation?

The speaker asked the common question Quran alone Muslims get from traditionalist; If the Quran is sufficient for guidance, why do we need the messenger? Well we could as well reverse the question, if the Hadith already explains the Quran, why do we need the Quran? Why do we all have Quran copies on our shelves, reciting it daily while we don't even have a page of Hadith in the house.

How is it possible for you to know history, reasons for revelations of certain verses in the Qur'an?

He also quoted Quran 4:65 to corroborate his proof for Hadith. Forty verses later, in the same chapter, it is revealed that Muhammad has to judge with the book. He cannot come up with his own judgement without Quranic confirmation. The word "Hikmah" he cites as Hadith is easily defined as the Quran given that the Quran describe itself as hikmah in multiple verses.

What is Hikma according to you?. Well, Hikman is "understanding of religious" text i:e Qur'an. In another word, WISDOM. For instance, as I have discussed previously concerning amputation. If a poor man steals, leader should use hikma before carrying out punishment. Hikma here could mean reviewing his economic situation. So we see hikma in many places in the Sunnah where a man peed in the masjid.Did the prophet call for his head?. No, he gently advised him it is inappropriate. And many situations like this.Today, wisdom is missing among muslims but knowledge is rampant. Everyone is 'Sheikh' today but devoids of hikman. Same wisdom was given to all other prophets and messangers. Like Isa Ibn Maryam(as), he was given hikma and he applied it when a woman accused of adultery was brought to him by the Rabbi. He applied hikma. So you dont understand Qur'an at all.

If Muhammad does not interpret the Quran, which interpretation do we follow? He asked this question. Well, we simply follow what we find most morally and rationally convincing. This is the recommendation of the Quran, I just can't recall the specific verse. Of course, this will lead to disagreements on interpretation but to every one his religion, none will be held accountable for another.

In another word, homosexual would be morally just according to you bcuz Quran does not specify punishment for it?. This verse you quoted to justify your opinion simply doesnt reason with you. Bro, you only thread religion. You dont now it. You are super literalist. You only thread religion you dont now it. Qur'an exhorts us to think. Not only to think but to think things out. "Li qaumi yatafakkarun" You dont think. Sorry. Qur'an is for the intellectuals.

Our speaker also treated the so called five pillars of Islam, referring to them as justification for Hadith. He exposed himself here, asking questions like "when are the time for hajj and salat according to Quran?" These questions are clearly answered in the Quran, traditionalists don't see these answers despite singing the Quran daily because they already got their answers from elsewhere. Salat and Hajj are not as formulaic as traditionalists understand. If details like number of rakas or prostrations of omission are not found in the Quran, perhaps it mean that these details don't matter to God, not necessarily because the Quran is not sufficient for performing these rituals

Can you please answer it using Qur'an alone?. Underlined, really?. You think the prophet was just carrying the Book around and reading it to his companions?. You are fantastic. You think this is Bible?

Lastly, our speaker narrated a Hadith in which a sahaba prove the necessity of Hadith. He then goes on to exalt the sahabas as the bravest and most righteous generation of Muslims, whom Muslims ought to look up to.

Yes, they struggled with their lives and wealth. Qur'an praises them Tawba:100

I got to say I read a beautiful book by Dr Ahmed Mansur lately, a major critique of the so called companions of Muhammad. Traditionalists teach that these companions are the best there is and the best there will ever be. It is not true. Most of them turned astray after Muhammad, turned Islam into a political weapon and a justification for all their atrocities including offensive jihad and slavery. I don't see these people as exemplary Muslims. Read the Quran 25:30, how ever you choose to interpret it, it is a prophecy that Muhammad's own people will desert the Quran. To assume that the preceding generations to be guide for latter generation is a satanic trap that every community of believers; Jews, Christians and Muslims have fallen into.

Of course some sahaba turned on heel. Qur'an itself talks abotu hypocrites amonsgt them. However, understand that Sahaba are those who accepted Islam in teh time of the prophet (SAW) and remained muslims after him. Unless and until you can specifically mentioned names of those "sahaba" who disbelieved NOT hypocrites, i wont address this. Again, the verse 25:30 you quote could mean other thing. In the context of Quran itself it could mean people read Quran but do not understand it like you have been doing.

gedtalks:
My people pleaseeee I need sincere advise here. Your advise will definitely guide me on the next step to take.

There is a beautiful girl I've been considering getting married to, but the way she requests money and fast food is making her look very ... lol.. "hungry" and opportunistic to me. The values she sees in a man seem to me like its basically what he will BUY for her. I confess that I made matters worse initially by "fast fooding" each time we meet... Now I think she sees me like a free lunch at crunchies. If I call her in the afternoon, she says I'm hungry.. its so irritating now.. in fact I lost a lot of regards for her..but she doesn't know yet.

Recently she asked me for some money and I refused very politely..she said she was "disappointed".

I wonder if she even loves any other thing about me asides the MONEY I WILL GIVE HER. she pays ABSOLUTELY NO attention the things I want her to see in me...like level of maturity, my leadership skills, I taught she was just being childish, but lately I discovered its just her nature. her ideology about a guy is WHAT WILL I GET FROM HIM.. I might dump her .. i wont even talk to her about it. please advise me

I want to believe she is childish. How old is she really?. That speaks volume sometimes.. Dont be quick to judge her yet. There are some people who do things out of immaturity and irrationally but they dont know. Whether she knows or not, you need to set your boundaries she can't cross.

Look buddy, if this is her nature, she is the type that may end up getting prego for hoodrat and then come back to you for financial backup. Just be sure she's geuniuely childsih or her nature before you dcide your next move. Definitely STOP giving her money

usermane:
Most of you traditionalists cannot boast of that.

Question is, do you believe amputation for theft Divine as Quran clearly mentions?. Forget about application.

Some have issues with killing apostates, others with stoning adulterers or gays, some with slavery, some with child marriage, many with polygamy, e.t.c. You try to hide these insecurities with sharia, call others to it even though deep down you see the problems with it. This isn't honest.

Everything here is not directly implemented. I don't think it makes sense to lump everybody together.

*Apostates - there is no law in neither hadith nor Quran to punish people for this. There is however punishment for treason. This is death. This is punishment recognized worldwide for this offence. This is why its controversial when discussed within Islam. Quran clearly declares "NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION". This phrase does not refer to Muslims at all. Muslim is bound by judgement, obligations in Islam bcuz Quran says "ENTER INTO ISLAM COMPLETELY".

So a Muslim can not say 'I don't have to pray salat, zakat, hajj, ramadan or believe in Qadar' or disbelief in hudud.

"LA IKRA FI DIN" does not protect this. It only protects non Muslims. Which means usermane who claims to believe in Quran MUST offer all these obligatory practices as established. Even worst, lazy Muslims do not dispute these obligatories


*STONING, myself have problem with this. Not bcuz it's simply not in the Quran but bcuz of the implications it carries along. That's, its chain has nothing to do with prophet himself but it's recorded in the Hadith. It's implication is, it's in conflict with protection of Quran. That's the main reason I reject it. However, I believe it's Allah's Law legislated in Old Laws. So the speaker saying whoever doesn't believe this is kafir. ...that is his opinion. If he had mentioned rejecting amputation, lashes etc that are mentioned in the Quran, he would have been right.


*Gay, we know for sure this is punishable offence. You can't deny it. If you do, it means you condone it. Truly, Quran does not prescribed punishment but it gives room for it. So this is a matter of ijtihad which varies from each Muslim country. If Saudi for instance prescribes death for it, it's none of anyone's business. Malaysia may say its punishable offence up to 10 years behind bars. That's their final and none of anyone's business. Etc.


*Child marriage. You simply have to difine this cuz it means different thing to people

*Polygamy, is not a legislation but it's legitimate in Islam. I don't know what your problem is. If I practice it, I follow Quran. If I choose to remain mono, im not sinning. But it becomes problematic if anyone denies it. That's like contending Allah's statement. This may lead to kufur.

*Slavery, really don't know what you want with this one.

Mr Speaker then goes on to call disbelievers in the shariah, kafir.

Yes. You just need to be precised. If anyone disbelieves in Shariah i:e things that are legislated like shahada, daily salat, qadar, ramadan, hajj, zakat. Also hudud mentioned in the Quran like lashes, amputation, and whatever punishment mentioned in the Quran, such a person is a disbeliever. These are basic shariah(rigid and clear without interpretation). Other aspect of shariah that fall under ijtihad, qiyas don't make one kafir like gay issue I just talked about bcus these are flexible. Countries may change law.

usermane:
Peace Empi.ree.

Walaikum Salaam. How are you. You scarce perhaps. You are still perambulating from your writeup. I only wanted you to listen to his speech for just one reason. To capture ESSENCE of sunnah we have been talking about. I dont necessarily agree with everything he said.

And make no mistake, I was raised in a observant Sunni household, and before my transformation to a Quran alone adherent, I would have agreed with everything the speaker mentioned, including amputation for petty theft. This is not the first time you call me out specifically on your videos, but for some reason I cannot see, I found myself watching it. Here are my responses

See underlined, if you listened to his part 1 above, he raised that. Part 1, he simply asked people what people think when they hear the word "SHARI'A"?. So people gave responses like you just did. See, knowledge evolves slowly throughout generations. It depends on understanding. For instance, Quran simply prescribed amputation for theft. But Qur'an does not give details. Hence, there is a need for muslims to see how prophet(SAW) applied it(did he apply it on poor man). If we found none in history, we use wisdom. Quran does not differentiate what levels of theft. Wisdom is look into accused financial status before carrying out the judgment (if convicted). If it is hungry poor man, what sense does it make to cut his hand?. So you dont just talk like non-muslims. Thats how you sound. It is like in some part of US, it is punishable offence to grow your own crops in your backyard but they do not say why you can't. To many in NIgerians, this doesnt make sense. But in reality, if someone gets caught, possibility of not being persecuted exist. They can simply give first warning. But folks in nija would say "it is punishable to grow crops i your backyard". That's like jumping the gun. Thats what you just did when you said @underlined. Fact is, there is a process before carrying out hudud. You sound like punishment is for the poor. Will you be happy if they apply it on Nigerian politicians instead of giving them immunity?. Bringing verses of Quran together shows amputation is for BIG theft or something of big value (qintar). Not for petty things. A poor man may only deserves this punishment if he becomes career thief after being given respites.

The speaker, didn't state anything new or intellectually stimulating to me. He tried too much to validate the shariah and sunnah that he began to sound ridiculous.
Shariah
This, according to the speaker is divine law. Yet he admitted he 'll not implement amputation if given the choice, but since it is decreed by God, he has no choice but to accept it. Like many traditionalists, he is insinuating that this law in inappropriate although he 'll blindly accept it. You can't truly believe without conviction. You can't come inviting us to what you deem sharia if you clearly have issues with it. I accept the sharia of the Quran, but not simply because it is from God, but because I am convinced by it.

If I tell you i don't understand what he meant here am lying. You don't understand. He's simply saying most men today would not go for amputation if given option. They would prefer jail time or something else for the offender. Definitely, if someone steals, proper reaction from people with at least 1% sanity is to punish the offender. For instance, a man steals a cell phone in nigeria and runs away. What happens?. Do the people let him go or chase him and plonk tire round his neck and burn him?. The man was basically giving indirect speech. He's telling you he would submit to judgment set by Allah without questioning. Question now is, do you believe in amputation for theft?. Remember this is directly mentioned in the Quran. And since you claim to believe in Quran alone, it is upon you.

tintingz:
I don't even need to prove anything as women have been displaying their polyandrous nature everywhere by having multiple partners, fantasize about multiple partners, you can't say or deny it is not happening. The Zimbabwean woman in the report is another example polyandrous woman in African.

In science there is something called Polyandry in Nature that's part of mammals(female) and humans are among mammals.

Lol, I've given you definition of culture and culture favoring men than women. The world evolved patriarchally, men dominant, pride, ego, so ofcos polyandry is not beneficial to men why will it be a common practice in many cultures when culture is man-made.

Again, polyandry is not made up, it is part of women nature, and don't deny you don't see it everywhere.

Sir don't be sentimental, my argument here are rational so far about human nature. Because your culture is against polyandry doesn't make polyandry in other people's culture waste of time, you don't know their culture. Because western countries doesn't legalize polygamy doesn't make them waste of time.

There is no problem with the baby as we have talked about this earlier.

I think you mixing it. I dont deny women having multiple partners for obvious reason. In this context we talking about MARRIAGE. i:e a woman marrying MULTIPLE men at a time. That is the definition of POLYANDRY not a girl having multiple boy friends. I have said earlier that we can excuse a girl having multiple partners for the purpose best known to her.

For instance, a girl may have multiple partners. One for her fleshy enjoyment. The other for finances. This is not polyandry. This is what you described above so far.

The craziest that happens so far in the West is a woman reported having 9 babies for 9 different men OUT OF WEDLOCK and at different times. This is still NOT polyandry. It's like she dumps one for another. But this is not the case with polyandry.

By definition, polygamy in which a woman has more than one husband.

Which means MARRIAGE. The people you pictured earlier MARRIED to her. That's what is reprehensible. Even if a girl has multiple partners, eventually her parents would say "choose from one of those men"

Waiting for tola9ja and Alhaja Ramota to obtain the videos next year in sha Allah.

That will be fun to watch

Lol....he made the video since June during Ramadan. I watched it in less than 20 mins after he uploaded it. Why is this news?. There are bunch of muslims who already confronted him with nonsense he was spewing. He didn't even speak about doctrine but about history.

History recorded by people is what he claimed made him to renounced the religion.

Myself talked to him as brother demmy rightly said up there. I even went to his fake facebook page. I have watched his subsequent videos since. So you ain't posting new thing. I chose not to post his videos bcuz he is irrelevant. What so disgusting is, he did not respond to comments and questions by muslims. He continued to interact with non-muslims only make make himself good.

He is still making baseless 5 mins videos. Who cares!

He is accusing islam of everything found in the Bible.

He and "Justopinion", a YouTuber are currently battling themselves.

back2sender:
My people una still dey do efight. Something to ease una mind. My decking Ongoing now, At the final lap now.
Enjoy some pics, oga erico2k2 i see you. Last pics is me with my koboko.
Thanks all for the knowledge and wisdom shared even in the midst of the efight. But the efight dey make this thread lively oooo, if not this thread would have been dead

Bless Your Hustle Man

tintingz:
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The men behind the woman in the image above were brought up to believe in polyandry.

I can understand if they were brought up in such culture. My point stands, compare percentage of the world's pro polygamy and polyandry. The difference is clear. I guess you just trying to "prove" women can also my polygamous.

The fact that the practice is restricted to that region shows it is not favorable practice worldwide. They invented polyandry for themselves. Far as I am concern, those men you pictured are wasting their time. You may need to research percentage of polyandry in the region. Most likely it is handful. The baby is in trouble. She may end up on "Maury SHow" {who is my father}.

tintingz:
No, because I'm brought up to believe in monogamy and polygyny marriage settings.

why then they you appear to advocate polyandry if you cant afford to be in the situation?. For the fact that majority, including Western world would prefer monogamy or polygamy, that beats the odd (polyandry) which is pretty much restricted to Asia as you have indicated.

Now a lady in multiple boyfriends or double dates is different. We can make excuse for her that she is trying to weigh her option. So, from your last post shows that it is not fitra for a woman to marry 2 men at the same time. It is far too complicated than polygamy