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I have spoken. You have no point. You can't detest innovation in terminal A but embrace innovation in Terminal B bcuz, according to u, bida is bida. No exception.

parisbookaddict:
Another islamic lie.
A maddarass is not a university. Big difference.

First, madrasa literally means school. This particular one in Morocco was a university.

Clearly, since Wikipedia is maintained by non-Muslims, there are attempts on their part to manipulate it but it's impossible.

So you can see the first university was established in 859AD

It says clearly Bologna University in Italy is the oldest in Europe NOT the world.

talkingtruth:
Something must be wrong with your reasoning. I said multiple sex as you do in islam is very, very bad and yet you kept saying I dodged the question. Na wa for you o !!!!

Whats "multiple s!x in islam"?. How do you describe that?.

parisbookaddict

Dullard. The oldest existing, and continually operating educational institution in the world is the University of Karueein, founded in 859 AD in Fez, Morocco.

FriendChoice:
Old Man

I don't have your time. I don't want you to take me serious.

Case close. Dont condemn what u know not. I dont have problems with Qur'an competition, wolimot Quran etc becuz i understand they are meant for good of muslims, even though nabi(saw) did not do them.

However, by your definition innovation, if Mawlud is bida, the other 2 i mentioned are too. You cant condemn bida here and embrace it elsewhere.

Correction, am not "old man", I am a dude

talkingtruth:
So you need to be spoonfed?

See why you make no sense?

You simply dodged his question.

Let's wait for intelligent christians to answer it. You can step aside and have a good day.

FriendChoice:
I did not ask any question. You should understand that. The prophet past on Monday being the day he was born. No place, No sahaba, No Hadith, No scholar has ever pointed a single Hadith that prophet fast on 12 of rabi'ul awwal. He only simple fast on Monday of every week regardless of the date. Concerning Thursday its because he want fast 2 be among his deeds that will be compiled in that week. Am not asking you any question. And am not buying your Maulud innovation. So don't disturbe me on this issue. Go and practice your innovation. Okay

Kid.

Am sure sure you have no problem "Qur'an Competition" organized annually. I am sure you have no problem with "Wolimat Quran". Did the prophet(p) did this?. Did he say anything about this?. Yet, all muslims do this.


Until you answer these questions, I wont take you serious.


Besides, there are more of these after you answer those. deathstroke once said since the prophet did not do "Quran competition" then, it is bid'a. You agree with him?.

rhektor:
I did too, hmmmmmmmmm.
The dude I agree is not fit to write JSSCE not to talk of writing about logic

SLANDER.

Annunaki, you remember when he wrote about you that knocked you off your feet?. You ran away, sir.

arabianights:
this guy you too much. You are the kind of positive friend person should have. Intelligent, enlightened, confident. You parents must be proud

His reply was really concise. That's a good challenge

Rilwayne001:
According to: 1  Peter  3:15:  "always  be  prepared  to  make  a  defense  to  anyone  who asks  you  to  give  an  account  of  the  hope  that  is  in  you"

Now where is your defense?

Never came about this Bible verse before. That's why I like that worldword man as well. He gives them really good.

talkingtruth:
Unlimited sex as in Islam is very bad and ungodly. God would never have recommended multiple sex. He never did in the past and never will do.

It was in his power to have created many wives for Adam, but he never did. Those people who had many wives in the OT were not instructed or enjoined to do so. Jesus taught of one wife as God did in the case of Adam. Why would that same God enjoin muslims to have multiple sexual partners, not only in this world but also in aljannah? Something is wrong somewhere.

What is this none sense, hun?. You did not answer his question. His question is VERY SIMPLE and CONCISE. Is S!eX good or bad?


YES


or



NO


?

FriendChoice:
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Look at you. Proof of what do I want? Am not after date. Which ever date it doesn't concern me. What concern me is prophet words not your innovations.

What concern me is to past tomorrow Monday and Monday / Thursday of every week as the prophet does. Peace Be Upon Him.

Actually, i posted this here but not necessarily for you. It was Mr Rabiu who disputed his(p) DOB. You however, your question was NOT clear at outstart. Now that you said date doesnt concern you, i let that fly.

Your concern seems to be hadith of his talking about Monday. This is a complete different thing even though he was born on Monday. Muslims who are able to fast every Monday and Thursday do so. If you do fast on Monday every week, you are actually commemorating his Milad but you know not. The reason why your question is not related with Milad is, was the prophet(p) born on Thursday as well?. This goes to show you your question is irrelevant. Aside that, 12th of Rabiu Awwal will ALWAYS falls on different days every yr just like any other human beings like you and I. The DATE is the ESSENCE.

Fast of Monday and Thursday are recommendations NOT obligation. And I am sure even if Milad falls on Monday or any other day, those who fast would fast. How can you tell that.

ikupakuti:
I really cant say how old he is...but then, he doesnt look seventy-ish to me

Last time i saw him was...@ the janaiz of sheikh auwal, which he hosted...even as at then he couldnt be more than fifty something

What year was this?. He definitely not in his 50s. I heard him talking about ".....in 1948, when I was student at......."

lexiconkabir:
sincerely their "heaven" is really boring, imagine blowing trumpet for eternity with useless wings nothing makes one special in their "heaven".

This got me laughing hysterically. Useless "heaven" without spicy

Now we will prove from scholars whom even Salafis consider the top most scholar in Tafsir and Tarikh and they not only say 12th is the mainstream opinion but also rely with exact hadith for it:



10. Ibn Kathir writes in his Seerat un-Nabi:

ورواه ابن أبى شيبة في مصنفه عن عفان ، عن سعيد بن ميناء ، عن جابر وابن عباس أنهما قالا : ولد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عام الفيل يوم الاثنين الثانى عشر من شهر ربيع الاول

Ibn Abi Shaybah in his Musannaf narrates from Affan, Sa’id, Jabir and Ibn Abbas (Ridwanullahi Ta'ala Alaihim Ajma'een) who said: Rasoolullah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Sallam) was born in the year of elephant on Monday, the 12th Rabi al-Awwal [Seerat un-Nabi, Volume 1, Page No. 199]


Then he said:

وهذا هو المشهور عند الجمهور والله أعلم
This is what is famous amongst Majority and Allah knows the best




11. Nawab Muhammad Sadiq Hasan Khan Bohapali:


The birth (of the Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was happened in Mecca at the time of Fajar on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. Majority of scholars holds this opinion. Ibn-e-Jawzi has narrated a consensus (of scholars) on it. [Ash-Shumamat al-Anbariya fi Mawlid Khair al-Bariyyah, Page 7]

You can see that the historians/scholars from the first/second century of Hijri, as well as the scholars of later times, had been authenticating it. The list also includes the well known leader of Salafis, i.e. Nawab Sadiq Hasan Bohapalvi.

Now we will prove from scholars whom even Salafis consider the top most scholar in Tafsir and Tarikh and they not only say 12th is the mainstream opinion but also rely with exact hadith for it:



10. Ibn Kathir writes in his Seerat un-Nabi:

ورواه ابن أبى شيبة في مصنفه عن عفان ، عن سعيد بن ميناء ، عن جابر وابن عباس أنهما قالا : ولد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عام الفيل يوم الاثنين الثانى عشر من شهر ربيع الاول

Ibn Abi Shaybah in his Musannaf narrates from Affan, Sa’id, Jabir and Ibn Abbas (Ridwanullahi Ta'ala Alaihim Ajma'een) who said: Rasoolullah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Sallam) was born in the year of elephant on Monday, the 12th Rabi al-Awwal [Seerat un-Nabi, Volume 1, Page No. 199]


Then he said:

وهذا هو المشهور عند الجمهور والله أعلم
This is what is famous amongst Majority and Allah knows the best




11. Nawab Muhammad Sadiq Hasan Khan Bohapali:


The birth (of the Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was happened in Mecca at the time of Fajar on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. Majority of scholars holds this opinion. Ibn-e-Jawzi has narrated a consensus (of scholars) on it. [Ash-Shumamat al-Anbariya fi Mawlid Khair al-Bariyyah, Page 7]

You can see that the historians/scholars from the first/second century of Hijri, as well as the scholars of later times, had been authenticating it. The list also includes the well known leader of Salafis, i.e. Nawab Sadiq Hasan Bohapalvi.

talkingtruth:
Still be reminded, we are not talking about what humans do but what their God does. Besides, a Christian is not judged or recognized by his or her name. You can only know a Christian by deed. Anyone who does what Jesus would not do is not a Christ follower (Christian).

You shot yourself in the foot. By your definition of who "true" christians are, if we are to figure out the percentage, christians are probably just 2% of world population. Why?. Because most filthy things in the world today are executed by christian nations including Vatican which breeds bunch of pedophilias. So, since you said anyone who doesn't do or do what Jesus didnt do is NOT christian. Then, MOST christians today aren't christians. FULL STOP

While the Christian God says there are no women or men in His heaven and that all shall be like angels. They do not marry in the heaven of the holy God.

This MUST be boring heaven of Christians. It means all christians are hell-bound since no man or woman will be in there. Muslims however dont deceive themselves. We know the reality. If you are going to be like "Angel in heaven", how the heck most christian nations are filled with filthy sexual activities?. From Hollywood to Nollywood, to Bollywood and all TV, radio and newspaper activities filled with anti-christ activities. On the pages of newspaper, tv and ALL entertainment industries are filthy and controlled christians. DENY it

Prophet(SAW)'s DOB was reported by historians. So there isnt any complications.


1. Ibn-e-Ishaq (85-151 H):


Messenger of Allah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born on 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. [Ibn Jawzi in al-Wafa, Page 87]



2. Allama Ibn Hisham (213 H):


Messenger of Allah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. [Ibn Hisham in As-Sirat-un-Nabawiya, Vol. 1, Page 158]




3. Imam Ibn Jarir Tabari (224-310 H):

Messenger of Allah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. [Tarikh al-Umam wa al-Muluk, Vol. 2, Page 125]




4. Allama Abu al-Hasan Ali bin Muhammad Al-Mawardi (370-480 H):


Messenger of Allah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born 50 days after the event of Ashab-ul-Feel and after the death of His father on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal. [Ailam-un-Nabuwwa, Page 192]




5. Imam Al-Hafiz Abu-ul-Fatah Al-Undalasi (671-734 H):


Our leader and our Prophet Muhammad (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam), the Messenger of Allah, was born on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. [Aayun al-Asr, Vol. 1, Page 33]




6. Allama Ibn Khaldun (732-808 H):


Messenger of Allah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born on 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. It was the 40th year of Emperor Kasra Noshairwan. [Ibn Khaldun in At-Tarikh Vol. 2, Page 394]



7. Muhammad As-Sadiq Ibrahim Arjoon:

From various turaq (chains) it has been established as true that the Prophet (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel in the reign of Kisra Noshayrwan. [Muhammad Rasoolullah, Vol. 1, Page 102]




8. Shaykh Abdul-Haq Muhadath Dehlvi (950-1052 H):

Know it well, that over-whelming majority of the experts of sayar and tarikh (i.e. biographers and historians) hold the opinion that the Beloved (i.e. the Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born in 'Aam al-Feel … It is well known that the month was of Rabi' al-Awwal and its date was 12. Various scholars have shown their agreement with this (date). [Madarij-un-Nabuwwah, Vol. 2, Page 14]




9. Imam Qustallani (Alaihir RaHma) said:

Rasoolullah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Sallam) was born on 12th Rabi ul Awwal and People of Makkah follow it, on this same day they visit (your place of birth).. It is famous that you were born on 12th Rabi ul Awwal, the day was of Monday, Ibn Ishaq and others have narrated this too. [Al Muwahib al Laduniya, Vol. 1, Page 88]

RABIUSHILE04:
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♦2. Historians differed about the date of birth of Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). Some said it's in Ramadan, some in Shabaan and Some said its in Rabi ul awal.


#copied

Since you COPIED it, it means you did not really take your time to EXAMINE. Who are those "historians that differed on this blessed day nabi(p) was born?. Here are some stuff to go through. I think friendchoice also wants proof of his DOB.

1. Ibn-e-Ishaq (85-151 H):


Messenger of Allah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born on 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. [Ibn Jawzi in al-Wafa, Page 87]



2. Allama Ibn Hisham (213 H):


Messenger of Allah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. [Ibn Hisham in As-Sirat-un-Nabawiya, Vol. 1, Page 158]




3. Imam Ibn Jarir Tabari (224-310 H):

Messenger of Allah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. [Tarikh al-Umam wa al-Muluk, Vol. 2, Page 125]




4. Allama Abu al-Hasan Ali bin Muhammad Al-Mawardi (370-480 H):


Messenger of Allah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born 50 days after the event of Ashab-ul-Feel and after the death of His father on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal. [Ailam-un-Nabuwwa, Page 192]




5. Imam Al-Hafiz Abu-ul-Fatah Al-Undalasi (671-734 H):


Our leader and our Prophet Muhammad (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam), the Messenger of Allah, was born on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. [Aayun al-Asr, Vol. 1, Page 33]




6. Allama Ibn Khaldun (732-808 H):


Messenger of Allah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born on 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel. It was the 40th year of Emperor Kasra Noshairwan. [Ibn Khaldun in At-Tarikh Vol. 2, Page 394]



7. Muhammad As-Sadiq Ibrahim Arjoon:

From various turaq (chains) it has been established as true that the Prophet (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born on Monday 12 Rabi' al-Awwal in 'Aam al-Feel in the reign of Kisra Noshayrwan. [Muhammad Rasoolullah, Vol. 1, Page 102]




8. Shaykh Abdul-Haq Muhadath Dehlvi (950-1052 H):

Know it well, that over-whelming majority of the experts of sayar and tarikh (i.e. biographers and historians) hold the opinion that the Beloved (i.e. the Prophet SallAllaho Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam) was born in 'Aam al-Feel … It is well known that the month was of Rabi' al-Awwal and its date was 12. Various scholars have shown their agreement with this (date). [Madarij-un-Nabuwwah, Vol. 2, Page 14]




9. Imam Qustallani (Alaihir RaHma) said:

Rasoolullah (SallAllaho Alaihi wa Sallam) was born on 12th Rabi ul Awwal and People of Makkah follow it, on this same day they visit (your place of birth).. It is famous that you were born on 12th Rabi ul Awwal, the day was of Monday, Ibn Ishaq and others have narrated this too. [Al Muwahib al Laduniya, Vol. 1, Page 88]

talkingtruth:
If someone is crucified, how else would he look?

Jesus was crucified by man, not God. We are talking of a situation where Allah himself designed an object to arouse sexuality.

Would a God with high moral standard do that? Why a woman's private part.of all things that exist?

I guess Satan has compromised your brain. Your mind is very dirty and nasty. I have NEVER seen or heard any muslim claimed hajar aswad arose such thing on their mind. You have ulterior motives. That's your problem.

Actually I am not surprised bcus christian nations are obsessed with s!x. I even saw a guy on the street in one these christian nations copulating a tree. He was lust and na!ked and making it out with tree. So I am not surprised that hajar aswad looks exactly as you described on your mind. You have dirty, filthy mind as Op

talkingtruth:
You are being told what you do not know.

Again, that's his mind not Muslims.

How about your "God" like like babalawo shrine. Don't you think it looks like shrine where human blood streams?

Looks perfectly like Orisa

truthmans2012:
Who designed the structure of the Black Stone inside Kaaba in Mecca? It is unreasonable for any one to believe that the true and Holy God would design an object like a woman's private part for His worshippers to be touching and kissing. Never.

Such religious practice is an inspiration to promiscuity. A means of getting people possessed with sexual sin.

You again?. It means you have dirty mind. No one even thought about it. I'm hearing this for the first time. Your heart is filthy.

baaliyah:
Pls how many bedroom is your house. I did my woodwork last week, about to go there for aluminum measurement. congrats.

We're at the same level ...lol

spyder880:
Gift for the weekend: This "expo" is a building plan we are building in plain view in one of my building sites, you can copy and build if you dont have money to pay an architect

Just joking, happy weekend everyone.

You took this picture from aircraft?

Is it true that UAE places embargo on Nigeria resident applications for being Nigerians?.

Anyone with valid details should please respond.

Thanks

FriendChoice:
I never know any claim that Maulud is introduced by shia until yesterday I read. And I don't know whether true or not. So that is not in my agenda.

Secondly who started it is very important. If I established something new in Islam that is unknown before, you will accept it and say the person is not relevant. So if the Prophet (SAW) established something and you like it. Will you tell me the person is irrelevant?

Am done talking. Your reasoning and thinking faculty is very shallow and circumscribed.

@underlined, you have not make point yet until you tell me if Qur'an competition that was started in Malaysia in 1960 was there in the time of the prophet. And also walimot Qur'an etc. There are more of course. If you can not, then, I dont know what point is it you trying to prove.

FriendChoice:
Why don't you answer me before asking Me. By your previous post you established Maulud come into Islam ltr? Then if you agree. Then you can ask me question.

It means you do not want to think outside the box. See, I did not intend to argue over this. There are bunch of threads opened since NL existence.

I know you wanted to say it was started by Shia etc. This is just not true. There are other versions of that. Sheikh Abdul Mojeed Eleha said it was started by Shia. Sheikh Dhikrulllah Shafii said it was started by a wealthy man who was closed to muslim leaders. Another version said it was started by a King. Who knows what other versions are there. That's why i said WHO and HOW it started is IRRELEVANT. There intention was pure

FriendChoice:
So this is different from that thread. You established to me Maulud came into Islam ltr. Concerning whether good or bad bidi'a when I get time, I will open thread on it, then we will discus extensivly. BT 4 now am busy.

Why are you taking panadol over seemingly activity?. This is not like drinking beer.

Bolded, can you say the same of Quran competition and walimot of Quran?. Until you answered that, I will keep mute.

AhluSunnah:
Its better you stop following shehu and stop being a sufi bkoz Islam is against both

isn't clear now that you can't give logical answer? . You keep repeating yourself. I don't understand where following sheikh exist in my responses

AhluSunnah:
Sufi is never part of Islam. Sufi is a different religion.
Rasulullah parents died as a kafir, Nabi Ibrahim parent died as a kafir, Nabi Nih kid died as a kafir, Luth wife died as a kafir, Abu talib aslo died as a kafir.


Its stated in Quran and rasulullah also say it whenever he's about to start lectures that, YOU MUST NOT DIE EXCEPT THAT YOU A MUSLIM(ABIDING AND SUBMISSIVE TO SUNNAH), THAT WHOEVER DIES AS A NON BELIEVER IN SAHIH AQEEDAH WILL GO TO HELL.


mind you, both Muslims and non muslims fall in the category of Sahih aqeedah.

If y deviate from rasulullah teachings after the truth is clear to you, then u a kafir and if you die on deviation, you are going to hell.


ALLAH MADE IT CLEAR IN QURAN THAT ALJAHNNAH IS FORBIDEEN OR KAFIR.

your thinking is shallow and vile. You don't understand what you read. I don't even know how to begin with you. I got picture of who your boss jabata is after i listened to him last night. If you believe nabi'a parents are in hell, that's you're opinion. You should worry about where you end up.

AhluSunnah:
Hadith can say whatever? Definately you don't believe in hadith and you have rejected all those Quran verses where Allah called some Muslims kafir.

Whoeve rejects a single sahih haadith or Quran verse is a kafir..


Am sure you are aware of that

Your reasoning is shallow. You have to be specific. You don't understand what you saying

FriendChoice:
You have failed the exam. The questions did not say Maulud is Haram or irrelevant.

They are very simple and straight. When is the origin of Maulud = You can simply answer the origin is from ijtihad.

Does the prophet or His companions or the generation. .. = Yes they have or no they don't.

Well, my responses only addressed oppositions of mawlud generally bcuz I have read another thread lately by your cohort.

For how it started and its ijtihad, we can say the same of "Qur'an competition". Did the prophet do that? no.It only started in Malyasia in the 60s and the world of Islam benefit from it now. We can also say the same of "Walimot Quran". Did the prophet) do that? no. All these are made possible through ijtihad. Are they bid'a?. To me no. If you say they are bida, I say they are "good bid'a" that advance the cause Islam and muslims. These are activities that are flexible. Which means Islam is to be understood with time.

FriendChoice:
@Empir.ee it's too late when I remembered you cuz its non editable when it reaches front page. By the way you're here now typing long essay. Look at the original post and answer the question.

Example: When does Maulud start = You specify the date or during the time of so so person ..... Like that

About WHEN it started, WHO started it are irrelevant. It was Ijtihad. Ijtihad is part of Islam's ethics. So definitely, this ijtihad of Mawlud is still relevant today