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Negro_Ntns: Yoruba is never a lost tribe of anybody...Yoruba has roots in Afro Asia but as a proto Semitic and legitimate branch of the Noahdic lines.

Ibo claim they are descendants of children of Israel. Yoruba is not of that line or anybody's line beside Noah's, period!

And you say so because you are the authority on Yoruba history? I bet you don't even know Yoruba history going past when Bishop Crowther changed the people's designation to Yoruba - about 200 years ago. But here you are making big talk claiming ancestry all the way to Noah. Can you prove any of that? Why don't you start by telling us what the Yoruba were called before Bishop Crowther christened the people Yoruba. Do that to show your knowledge of Yoruba history is not limited to 200 years information and then we will know you are the knowledgeable person we should listen to.

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PAGAN 9JA:
i request MODs to delete this thread. it reeks of slave mentality.

Give it up PAGAN 9JA. You have been huffing and puffing about Yoruba's real identity for more than a year now. Where has it got you? You are not even Yoruba so why are you so concerned about something that has NOTHING to do with you?

Dierk Lange was mostly speculating in his book But there is PROOF. Real irrefutable proof that the Yoruba are indeed the ancient Israelites.

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I will say 100 percent of African-Americans and Caribbean people are of Yoruba origin.

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Simon huh? That does not sound like an African name. Are you English?

Let me ask you Simon. Since you guys in Europe and America wanna force your evil culture onto Africans, how about adopting some of ours? That way it will be a level playing field.

Hi amor4ce,

I don't want to spoil your fun. I just wish to point out YOU DON'T NEED TO GUESS at how certain Hebrew words match present present day Yoruba words. The answers you seek are available if you wish to know the right pronunciation of the original words in the original texts.

For example; you can access the original Hebrew alphabets online and learn how to use them to read the ORIGINAL texts like in the dead sea scrolls.

Also remember we are talking of 3000 years history here. Therefore, bear in mind two things. 1. Language evolves so how Hebrew was spoken 3000 years is not going to be the same way it is spoken today. 2nd point is: The Israelites were divided into 12 tribes. Key word here is tribes. Which means, even though they were all ERVERH, they spoke dialects of the ERVERH aka the Hebrew language. Check this out at Judges 12:4-6. This again means the modern version of Yoruba does not determine how words were pronounced in the Hebrew DIALECT that was used to write the Bible. More important, the Bible was written in Ketav IVRI aka the dialect of the Levites, which is one tribe out of the twelve.  IVRI pronounced ERVERH stands for Hebrew. Therefore Ketav IVRI means the dialect of the people of Keta(v). Technically that means the language of the people of KETA also known as Anlo in  the Volta region of present day Ghana, and therefore, even though we are all ERVERH, their dialect would be different to yours. When you learn to speak Hebrew you will find this to be the case. The Hebrew language is very similar to the language of modern day Keta.

Finally bear in mind you can not use language to determine who is a Hebrew and who is not. People are defeated in war and adopt the language of the conquerors. Foer example you and I speak English but it does not mean we are are Europeans. Therefore, it is not very wise to look at word or language similarities to determine if two people are related. The best tool to know who is who, is the oral traditions, in addition to the NATIVE names of towns and people in the villages whose identity has not been corrupted by foreigners. For instance if you check the history of the Yoruba, the Ewes in Ghana and the people of Togo and Benin you will find in addition to the dialects being MUTUALLY comprehensible (discernible) their history is ALSO related. Thus you know these are all the same people from the same origins.

What are your thoughts on this video?

http://youtu.be/4jPu-T4D99Y

Negro_Ntns:
INVENTION of the Europeans   Can you please clarify.

Sure! It all began with the English explorer Hugh Clapeprton's first contact with the Fulani people. When Clapperton met the Sultan of Sokoto; Muhammed Bello, the Sultan gave him a history lesson of the people all over West Africa. Of the people of the Old Oyo Empire, Bello mentioned them by their true and proper name to the Englishman. However, Clapperton being a European could not pronounce the African name/word properly and wrote it as Yarba (incidentally Yarba does sound like Erverh which was the name of the people and is the real name of the ancient Israelites). Later on after Clapperton died his travelling companion Richard Lander who incidentally did not meet Bello and therefore did not know the pronunciation of the name of the people of Old Oyo took Clappertons writings and whether by design or accident, changed Yarba to Yarriba. Thus the name Yarriba was born.

Later, the Fulani jihad invaded and destroyed Old Oyo and scattered its inhabitants abroad. The various people in the neighbouring territories ruled by Old Oyo were now leaderless and vulnerable to attack. These turned to the Europeans Missionaries in the area, for refuge and protection. To find a common name for all these people the Missionaries in turn asked Crowther who was under their tutelage to come up with a fitting name for ALL the people. Crowther went for the name the European Missionaries already knew which was Yarriba  and changed it to Yoruba. That is how the name Yoruba came about. Thus, as you can see the name Yoruba was born out of a series of errors.

amor4ce:
From what I've read, Our Father calls us Israel and Jacob as recorded in the Bible while we and other nations called us Hebrews. Also, this is not to say that the names Israel and Jacob are the actual spellings and pronunciations. Yoruba may just be the the real name instead of Jacob. If so there would be no error in this regard on the part of Bishop Ajayi Crowther as both names (Erverh and Yoruba) would be accurate. Please do keep in mind that we are on the same page.

It was not other nations that gave Israel their national identity. The name Hebrew started with Abraham. His descendants through Isaac and jacob were collectively called Hebrews. Their home in Canaan before Jacob moved to Egypt with is family was called the Land of the Hebrews. The name Israel is mostly used by the Scribes who wrote the Bible to differentiate between the nation of the Israel which included converts to judaism and the real Hebrews. Thus the real name of the people was Hebrews as opposed to the name of the nation which was Israel.

With regard to Bishop Crowther, he simply changed the name Yarriba into Yoruba. The name Yarriba was an INVENTION of the European Explorers so there is NOTHING ACCURATE about it. Crowther took an inaccurate name, polished it up and served it as the name for million so people in West Africa. Thus  turning the situation from bad to worse. Thanks to Crowther, most of the peoples' history was completely WIPED OUT.

amor4ce:
The name El as written in the Bible today ought to be written and pronounced as Ela.


Do you know the true pronunciation of the name of the Word of God?

Sorry amor4ce once again for the delay in my responses.

With regard to your question all I can say is, the alphabet of the ancient Hebrews is available. You can find them in numerous places on the Internet and it is quite easy to learn. Once you do, it is becomes easy to read the ORIGINAL texts found in the dead sea scrolls which is also available online. That way, you don't have to bother with translations, you can read the original and understand it for yourself. Try it if you have time, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

amor4ce:
In my opinion, using the name to identify a people might not be enough if we consider the technique that has been tried by the cuckoo (your description of the current occupants of Israel).

To further buttress your assertion that the Ewe and Yoruba peoples are one, a big evidence is the oral traditions, worship, and the Ifa divination.

As for origin of the word Hebrew (Ewe), any chance that it is derived from Eber (the name of on of Abraham's ancestors)?

Sorry bro for the delay in giving a response.

You said you do not consider the name of the people is enough to identify them as descendants of the ancient Israelites and cited the fraud of modern Jews to back up your stand. YOU ARE WRONG THERE. The name is PARAMOUNT [/b]in a peoples' identity. Remember how it was Jacob's change of name to Israel that set him apart from all his relatives and began the 12 nations of Israel? The truth of the matter is, the only way people are identified anywhere in this world is by their name.

In fact, the discussion we are having about the Yoruba actually stresses on the importance of a people's name as the major identifier of race. I am sure you will agree, most Yoruba people cannot for a certainty tell their history beyond the creation of the name Yoruba by Bishop Crowther. Now ask yourself WHY IS THAT? The answer is obvious. The NEW name Yoruba obscured or wiped out all their history prior to the creation of the name. Thus, by the name change alone, the people lost their identity and a major chunk of their history. Thus stressing the importance of a [b]peoples name as the major identifier of who they are.

Look at it another way. If for example, you were to travel to any place on this planet and meet white people in a jungle or an Island who for example speak German and call themselves German's you wouldn't say because they don't live in Europe they are not connected to the Germans in Europe. That will be preposterous. The fact that they are white, speak German and call themselves German is PROOF POSITIVE of their identity. Remember that, people do not by nature take up names of other people and identified themselves by it. Since the dawn of time people identify only with the name of their ancestors and jealously guard this identity. Hardly any people throughout history has ditched their name/identity and adopted the name and identity of other people. When such things happen it is through naturalisation (migration and becoming one with people of your new home), war or slavery, but never voluntarily. Therefore, we can be confident that if an African people are called Hebrews and are black as the ancient Israelites were; then certainly these are the true descendants of the Hebrews aka the ancient Israelites. Why would they call themselves Hebrews if they are not? Think about that.

Oh and BTW with regard to your point about the Jews stealing the name of the Israelites. They did not. Modern Jewry is a religion based on Judaism and Judaism allows members to call themselves Jews. The Israelites were not called Jews. They were called HEBREWS. Modern Jews do not see or call themselves Hebrews. They speak MODERN Hebrew and they are Israeli and not Hebrews. That is the difference.

I will try and find time and reply to your other points tomorrow. have a nice weekend.

Sadly most prefer not to know where they have come from and how it can help them in knowing where they are going in life. 

Nevertheless, I encourage all those interested in knowing about our heritage  to visit my black history website and discover the TRUE identity of our people. It is important.

amor4ce:
Aren't the Edomites Hebrews as well?

Technically YES, because Abraham was the first to be called Hebrew and Esau from whom the Edomites descended, was his great-grandson.

However, when we speak of Hebrews we are talking of those children and descendants of Jacob who became a nation in ancient Egypt. Before the nation of Hebrews was born in Egypt, there was no Hebrew nation. This nation of Hebrews born in Egypt did not include the Edomites. Thus since it is this nation of Hebrews that we refer to as the Hebrews, and it did not include Edomites, the answer to your question is NO the Edomites are not Hebrews.

Sorry amor4ce, you are confusing me. I don't see how what you are saying PROVES the Yoruba are the Hebrews. Reading what you posted, it rather CREATES DOUBT about the Yoruba being Hebrews.
A peoples' identity is usually by their name. If you read the samples pages on my black history website as I suggested, you would clearly see the TRUE NAME of the people before the advent of the European Colonialists and Bishop Crowther's action that changed their name. That proper name of the people as the website shows you is the TRUE NAME of the ancient Israelites. That is what PROVES the Yoruba are the Hebrews.

Oh yes I know! Please read the sample pages of my black-history website and discover some astonishing truth about the Yoruba people.

amor4ce:
Do you have any proof that the Yoruba people were originally known as the Hebrews when they migrated to West Africa (below the 10th parallel)?

YES! I already said so in the OP. They were called HEBREWS. If the people were called HEBREWS before Bishop Crowther changed their name to Yoruba, what more proof do you want?

Oh dear! Did I touch a sore spot? What did I say to get you so upset? Go take a chill pill. You will feel better in the morning.

Have the Igbo got any proof or they are just speculating? Many people think they are Hebrews but they can't prove it.

It is different with the Yoruba. Before Ajayi Crowther replaced their name with Yoruba, the people were called HEBREWS. So you see the Yoruba already have the PROOF in their old name that they are the TRUE HEBREWS, the Israel of God.

Do you know the name Yoruba is not the true identity of the people called Yoruba? The name Yoruba was coined by Bishop Ajayi Crowther. By his action, he limited the history of the Yoruba to the creation of the name. The result is most Yoruba can not trace their history past the creation of the name Yoruba. Making Yoruba history about 200 years old.

The truth is before the name Yoruba the people had a name that went back more than 5000 years. However, by one stroke of the pen Bishop Crowther took away the complete history of the people.  Visit my black-history website and discover the proper and glorious name of the people and know your TRUE identity.

So says the Bible at Daniel 12:1.

God makes it clear, the great tribulation comes upon ALL - both righteous and unrighteous. The only ones that escape the distress are Daniel's people whose name is found written in the book (meaning Yoruba's whose name is written in the book).

Are you Yoruba? You better safeguard your knowledge and standing with God if you wanna escape the coming great tribulation.

Daniel 12

Prophecy of the End Time

1 “At that time Michael shall stand up,
      The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
      And there shall be a time of trouble,
      Such as never was since there was a nation,
      Even to that time.
      And at that time your people shall be delivered,
      Every one who is found written in the book.

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