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Now you know the correct grammar after my help --- see how generous I am. Was it the Urban Dictionary you consulted --- admit it, you didn't really know the correct grammar until you checked. 

Interesting you have tired of referring to me as girl and now choose to steal the word 'oofter that you've just learned from me. Another generosity from me. Anyway, I use 'oofter and pansy for you advisedly.

I have tried today for you oh! I helped you into the admission about your fanaticism and obsession. You know how much a US shrink would charge you for that? 

You sure? You wey dey dey hot and bothered your English dey become wonky --- or is that how poor your English is normally?

Martian:
'oofter? What is that senorita?   

Your way. Your time. Doesn't matter, you and your imaginary friend god will still be made fun off. Maybe you should try to find more intelligent articles. That's probably impossible when it comes to christian apologetics/propaganda/rhetoric.

Funny the 'oofter bọbọ even mentioned "intelligent" in the quote ---- I suppose that is the only way the word "intelligent" and evangelical/militant/fanatical/etc atheist could go together.  Again as that poster said:

50- Woohoo! 50 questions / proofs that atheism is for morons! Think I'm wrong? Just ask around. Ask Richard Dawkins for advice if you'd like. I don't care. He's an id[i]i[/i]ot too.

Nos 31 & 32 from that "latest":    https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-298119.160.html#msg9734193

31- STILL HERE?
32- You MUST be desperate for SOMETHING! Is it for an answer? Or is it for something to make fun of, concerning my list?

^ I do things in my own time as you should know by now pan[i]s[/i]y (or is it 'oofter?) --- my way, my time. 

Martian:
Gracias amiga!!! 
Now lets  what post #187 says.
Oh, it's about your constant whining about evangelical atheists.
Riddle me this, Who brought up this thread today? Who constantly finds the most ignorant fallacious christian bs to post on this thread?
Mi tonto amiga, Enigma!!

Face fact my friend; de thread dey pain you; dat's why you dey whine like the sissy/pansy that you have admitted to being ---- as well as to being an evangelical/fanatical/etc atheist obsessed with Christianity.  

I no call any person him nairaland moniker, I just posted something that amused (and continues to amuse) me. If he no "consign" you, you for keep quiet. In fact the original drafter of that thing done talk am:

36- I knew you’d read this one too! You atheists are SOOOO predictable.
37- Now I'm having fun,  these aren't even questions anymore!

If you say me I dey insecure, I no go bother defend that one ----- the good thing is that it all helped to lead you to your admission of your problem; it may be that this (with the admission) is the beginning to you finding a cure for it. You might still need to thank me profusely one day, you know.  

Ah, muchos gracias my sissy and pansy friend (remember?) especially considering the whining  from post #187 downwards in particular. 

Martian:
. . .

Your move!!!!

None needed; case already proven - on all material points.

Ah, at last the evangelical/militant/aggressive/fanatical/etc atheist admits (a) that he is one and (b) that he is obsessed with the Christian God.

I suppose you can only lie so much ----- because a normal or regular atheist would not even bother to troll Christians! It is of course the province of the obsessed fanatical/evangelical/etc atheist.

^^^ Obsession with Christian God by an evangelical/aggressive/militant/fanatical/etc atheist. 

Point proven!

QED

But why only to "church" now? Why not also mosque, Babalawo/Ọṣun/Ogun/Ṣango/etc shrine or temple, Buddhist temple, Hindu temple, Jewish synagogues, atheists' chaplaincies?

E dey pain them! 

Someone asking why Enigma is concerned about evangelical/militant/fanatical/etc atheists cannot look in the mirror and ask why the evangelical/militant/fanatical/etc atheists are obsessed with Christianity? 

One I forgot previously but which really just has to be on this thread! 

Hmmm, some posters don really show this people oh; in fact e get soteeeey my good friend manmustwac vex lock the thread. 

Note: I should say reference in the quote to "atheists" is better understood as to "evangelical/militant/aggressive/fanatical/etc atheists" 


From here (with additional emphases) https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-740780.128.html#msg8983332

[b]
1- Why don't atheists have any ORIGINAL arguments?
2- Why don't atheists do any research?
3- Why don't atheists "open-mindedly" look at research if they actually do any?
4- Why do atheists invent imaginary dialogue when trying to "prove" a point?
5- Why do atheists use "hypothetical" questions/situations & expect people to give them any credibility?
6- Why do atheists insist on quoting Biblical Scripture, when they don't believe a word of it? (That only allows for their arguments to be thrown out the window.)
7- When quoting Scripture, why do atheists ALWAYS miss the context of the passage?
8- Why do atheists resort to tactics like "changing the subject /re-directing the topic, "the straw man", (our favorite to shoot down) etc. and dragging out unnecessarily long replies with no actual answer to the question being asked?
9- Why do atheists insist it's the BELIEVER'S responsibility to "prove" God's existence, when THEY are the ones making the opposing challenge?
10- Why can't atheists provide a solid case for their refutation of Christianity?
11- Why do atheists continue to use claims, statements, arguments (etc.) made by Antony Flew, when HE openly admitted that he was wrong?   
12- Why do atheists think using "big words" will make them sound more intelligent?   
13- Why do atheists continue to read my questions, even though I've gone PAST 10!!?  
14- If an atheist was alone in the woods, and there was nobody around to hear him/her talking, would they STILL sound like an id[i]i[/i]ot? 
15- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
16- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
17- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
18- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
19- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
20- Why do atheists always prove to be such douchebags?
21- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
22- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
23- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
24- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
25- Did the atheists even catch the douche bag reference?
26- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
27-Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
28- If you're an atheist, why are you STILL reading this?
29 - ANSWER to #28; Because you're looking for the TRUTH, & you realize it's out there somewhere, but you haven't found it yet. (Let me also refer you to question # 25.)
30- Why do atheists insist WE need to provide "Original" claims, beliefs, statements, arguments, (etc.) when THEY all sling the same old crap that's been passed from atheist generation to atheist generation?
31- STILL HERE?
32- You MUST be desperate for SOMETHING! Is it for an answer? Or is it for something to make fun of, concerning my list?
33- Here's something funny, an atheist!
34- Q: How many atheists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: None. They expect GOD to do it, to "PROVE" he exists.
35- How much longer are you going to read this list of 10 questions
36- I knew you’d read this one too! You atheists are SOOOO predictable.
37- Now I'm having fun,  these aren't even questions anymore!
38- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
39- #38 WAS a question
40- Can you PROVE you're an atheist?
41- This is too easy.
42- Why do atheists make claims, & statements, but never give evidence to back them up?
43- Why do atheists always answer questions with more questions?
44- Why are THOSE questions even more ridiculous than the original claim or question they asked?
45- Why do atheists use the same arguments over & over?
46- Why are atheists STILL reading this
47- Why do atheists only accept “scientific evidence” selectively based on whether or not they think it works in their favor?
48- Is it stupidity, or ignorance?
49- Why will the atheists continue to use the same old arguments over & over & over when they get mad enough to respond to this list?
50- Woohoo! 50 questions / proofs that atheism is for morons! Think I'm wrong? Just ask around. Ask Richard Dawkins for advice if you'd like. I don't care. He's an id[i]i[/i]ot too.
Have fun with this list because, all you'll end up doing is making yourself look even more uneducated if you try to mock it.[/b]

^

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=813265.msg9682183#msg9682183

tlops:
Atleast they should cover  the floor of the church. the thing na sand.

Really, I am not a fan of talking about MOGs but dr Firebrand leaves much to be asked rather than providing answers. where is it written in the bible that God is a game. Entice people to God? those words reveals whats on his mind. out of the abundant of the heart the mind speaks.

but test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good.

Guyman fireman or firecraker or whatever his name is is just a crude version of the more polished fraudsters.

To be honest, look carefully at the teaching and practices of  Oyakhilome, Oyedepo, Ashimolowo etc (just to pick a few examples): they all really do practise the God is a game doctrine! It is all about getting customers in and relieving them of their money through fraudulent means like "tithes", "sowing seeds", "offer 7", "24 hour miracle sowing" etc etc etc.

One more point: for very long I tried to give our own Joagbaje the benefit of the doubt; but did anyone see him in the youtube video posted a day or so ago asking people to "partner" ---- that is another element of the God is a game doctrine. Pitiful. 

Image123:
if that's the man in question, he's fake. he even looks fake already na

Et tu Brute?

He was the one I mentioned to you recently; glad you saw my point then though.

OLAADEGBU:
Abraham's work here was a manifestation of his justification by faith . . . .

And the apostle James agrees and pointed this out (even while emphasising "actions/works" in relation to faith).

James 2:23

And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

Additionally, when people accuse the apostle James of preaching 'salvation by works'. they forget that he was the one who said {in fact I'm sure many assume this was a statement of Paul }:

James 2:10

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

^^^ And you were talking of "insult" earlier.

You already know everything and have your interpretation of the passage; you say my interpretation has no meaning, I say OK. Yet you are still making gra gra; why are you 'gragravating' the matter? Is everything by force with you people? I say "you win", you are still unhappy and you want to force me to continue! Na wa o.

Even when we Christians say "OK we hear you", you Moslems, evangelical/militant/etc atheists and anti-Christian "intellectuals" are never satisfied. Don't worry we will keep praying for you all to find that which you are all seeking.

^^^ OK.

It's very funny about the Moslems, atheists and anti-Christian "intellectuals". The Moslems have their own section (which I very very rarely visit) yet they insist on coming to "challenge" the Christians. Similarly the atheists and anti-Christian "intellectuals" seem to have nothing to discuss among themselves or with each other so they must insist on bashing Christians and Christianity.

What insecurities are worrying all of them? Perhaps the truth is gnawing at them inside and perhaps really they are drawn to The Truth whom they all are resisting.

^^^ I have given my own interpretation; if you don't agree with it and prefer your own, that is fine. There is no point for me to repeat myself.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=813596.msg9684316#msg9684316 date=1322911117]And can you please without insult Explain this verses to me[/quote]Have I insulted you? Are you afraid of 'insult' because you yourself throw insult at people?

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=813596.msg9684316#msg9684316 date=1322911117]Luke 22:67-71:

   67Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe:

   68And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go.

   69[b]Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God[/b].

   70Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

   71And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.

     Can you simply explain in simple form what the verses and the bolds up there mean to you?
and please also explain the bolds Thank you[/quote]Apart from your bold, I have bolded verse 69 in blue for you.

Starting with your bold: it means that His accusers believed/understood Him to be saying He was the Son of God. They would of course be strengthened in this viewpoint by the bit that I bolded in blue i.e. His claim that He would be seated at the right hand of God.

First of all I'm sure you are aware that Jesus called God His Father several times! 

Now let's do a little exercise in logic and comprehension. Here:

Matthew 16:13-17

When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, 'Who do people say the Son of Man is?' They replied, 'Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.'

'But what about you?' he asked. 'Who do you say I am?' Simon Peter answered, 'You are the Christ [Messiah], the Son of the living God.'

Jesus replied, 'Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.'

In summary this is what the blue words reveal Jesus as saying: . . . the Son of Man is . . . the Son of the Living God . . . revealed . . . by my Father in heaven.

Let me add one more; as I said before, it is Advent afterall! 

Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence     (Preferred Tune: Picardy)

Let all mortal flesh keep silence,
And with fear and trembling stand;
Ponder nothing earthly minded,
For with blessing in His hand,
Christ our God to earth descendeth,
Our full homage to demand.

King of kings, yet born of Mary,
As of old on earth He stood,
Lord of lords, in human vesture,
In the body and the blood;
He will give to all the faithful
His own self for heavenly food.

Rank on rank the host of heaven
Spreads its vanguard on the way,
As the Light of light descendeth
From the realms of endless day,
That the powers of hell may vanish
As the darkness clears away.

At His feet the six wingèd seraph,
Cherubim with sleepless eye,
Veil their faces to the presence,
As with ceaseless voice they cry:
Alleluia, Alleluia
Alleluia, Lord Most High!

Performed by Fernando Ortega

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James did not preach salvation by works.

There is no contradiction between the teachings of Jesus, James and Paul. Yes, the perception of contradiction has existed for a long time but really careful readership reading and scholarship have long reconciled the perceived contradiction.

According to Jesus, faith will produce works

John 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

According to James, faith will produce works

James 2:18

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

According to Paul, faith will produce works

Titus 2

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

- also earlier in same Titus 2

7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity

Another one; it is Advent afterall.

Lo He Comes with Clouds Descending (Tune = Helmsley)

Lo! He comes with clouds descending,
Once for favored sinners slain;
Thousand thousand saints attending,
Swell the triumph of His train:
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
God appears on earth to reign.

Every eye shall now behold Him
Robed in dreadful majesty;
Those who set at naught and sold Him,
Pierced and nailed Him to the tree,
Deeply wailing, deeply wailing, deeply wailing,
Shall the true Messiah see.

The dear tokens of His passion
Still His dazzling body bears;
Cause of endless exultation
To His ransomed worshippers;
With what rapture, with what rapture, with what rapture
Gaze we on those glorious scars!

Yea, Amen! let all adore Thee,
High on Thine eternal throne;
Savior, take the power and glory,
Claim the kingdom for Thine own;
O come quickly! O come quickly! O come quickly!
Everlasting God, come down!


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Posted previously but still one to savour. 

1. Of the Father's heart begotten,
Ere the world began to be,
Called the Alpha and Omega,
Both the source and end is He
Of all things that are,
that ever have been,
And that future years shall see,
Evermore and evermore!

2. O that birth forever blessed!
When the Virgin, full of grace,
By the Holy Ghost conceiving,
Bore the Savior of our race;
And the Babe, the world's Redeemer,
First revealed His sacred face,
Evermore and evermore!

3. O ye heights of Heav'n, adore Him;
Angel hosts, his praises sing;
Pow'rs, dominions, bow before Him,
And extol our God and King;
Let no tongue on earth be silent,
Ev'ry voice in concert ring,
Evermore and evermore!

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A bit of levity. Everytime I see the title of this thread what comes to my mind is: awọn ọmọ ẹran and awọn ọmọ ọbọ! 

Again, for the records and just to show that the poster is dishonest in addition of course to the well known shallowness of understanding that he has always displayed as standard, the quote below is from the very article that the poster relies upon in post #165 for his "epiphany" {granted one may question the adequacy of the author's interpretation of "generation"}.

http://biblicalresearch.gc.adventist.org/documents/Christ%20as%20Monogenes.pdf

III. Christological Usages {i.e. of Monogenes}

When the title is applied to Jesus several theological ideas are expressed that help to clarify the meaning of the term. First, He is the monogenēs in the sense that He is divine. This is expressed in John 1:185 where we find the strange phrase, “God the One and Only [monogenēs theos]” applied to Jesus. The idea of generation does not fit the context at all. In this case monogenēs stands in apposition to “God” and serves to shed light on the usage of this term. Although Jesus is human, He is also divine, and consequently He is and has always been “unique;” there has never been anyone like Him in the universe. This phrase summarizes what John has been saying from the beginning of His gospel, namely that the divine Logos became flesh (John 1:1, 14). That explains why Jesus was free to say, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).

Second, the title monogenēs is applied to Christ to indicate that He is the only and unique revelator of God: “We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only [monogenēs], who came from the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1:14). As in the previous passage the title monogenēs is used in the absolute, i.e. the term son is not attached to it. The context indicates that He is unique in that He is the only one who can reveal the glory of God to us. This is possible because He is divine. In other words, the title monogenēs speaks of Jesus as unique in nature and in function. These two ideas are found in John 1:18: “No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.” His divine nature and His closeness to the Father enable Him to be the only and unique revelator of the Father.

Third, the title monogenēs identifies Jesus as the one and only redeemer through whom God’s saving love reaches us: “This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son [monogenēs] into the world that we might live through him” (1 John 4:9). Here we find two terms together, son and monogenēs. In His redemptive mission Jesus demonstrated to be God’s unique and only Son, i.e., to have a unique relationship with God that made possible our redemption. In fact, the Father loved us so much that He “gave his one and only Son” to save those who believe in Him (John 3:16, 18).

When the title monogenēs refers to Jesus it designates the uniqueness of His nature, the uniqueness of His relationship with the Father, His uniqueness as the revelator of God, and His uniqueness as redeemer. There is no other like Him; He is the only one of His kind. The idea of “the only begotten” of the Father does not appear in those passages and is not required in their contexts. They deal with Christ's nature and mission.

Addendum: meanwhile as for the credibility of the poster, this is someone who says {"maybe"} the biological father of Jesus Christ was a Roman soldier who "quaffed" Mary his mother!  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-802388.0.html#msg9546224

Very clever, very "intellectual", very honest!