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For Scripture as much announces Christ as also God, as it announces God himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed to be God who is of God…. Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called also God and the Son of God.

For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein.

But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,” dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

numo86:
D doctrine is not biblical, i wish i culd believe in it, but since its no where to be found in d hebrew and greek scriptures how do i beleive in it??,
Like i asked earlier, d angels too are sons of God as job 1:6 tells us, in what sense are they sons of God, give me a biblical answer

Kay 17:
I want to give Christianity a chance and with an open mind, i ask how do we know Jesus is the Son of God?

plaetton:
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Most people , out of ignorance , do not know or conveniently forget that it was the council of Nicea that decreed that JESUS deemed and refered to as the son of god. The nicean creed also decreedthat any one whosoever opposed that decree was an anaethema(good as dead-in layman's term).
The rest is history.

When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, 'Who do people say the Son of Man is?' They replied, 'Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.'

'But what about you?' he asked. 'Who do you say I am?' Simon Peter answered, 'You are the Christ [Messiah], the Son of the living God.'

Jesus replied, 'Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.'

In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshipped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

morality has truth only if God is truth—it stands or falls with faith in God.

Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist.

Outside human desires there is no moral standard.

How I arrived at this conclusion is the subject of a book I have written during this recent period (tentatively titled Bad Faith: A Personal Memoir on Atheism, Amorality, and Animals). The long and the short of it is that I became convinced that atheism implies amorality; and since I am an atheist, I must therefore embrace amorality. I call the premise of this argument ‘hard atheism’ because it is analogous to a thesis in philosophy known as ‘hard determinism.’ The latter holds that if metaphysical determinism is true, then there is no such thing as free will. Thus, a ‘soft determinist’ believes that, even if your reading of this column right now has followed by causal necessity from the Big slam fourteen billion years ago, you can still meaningfully be said to have freely chosen to read it. Analogously, a ‘soft atheist’ would hold that one could be an atheist and still believe in morality. And indeed, the whole crop of ‘New Atheists’ (see Issue 78) are softies of this kind. So was I, until I experienced my shocking epiphany that the religious fundamentalists are correct: without God, there is no morality. But they are incorrect, I still believe, about there being a God. Hence, I believe, there is no morality.

Kay 17:
Yes, cos life is terminated, a potential is lost. And its tragic. Evil is an imperfection, a conflict with a system. Also i hate repeating myself too often. Tb has defined God, i ve defined evil and good. While u and enigma didnt read them.

Daiquiri:
@Enigma

Thanks for the prompt reply

OK then. Must have been another Enigma then

42, that's a bit too young to die and suddenly too just like that.

Wales was looking promising since he took over  

There are one or two theories on the net on why he topped himself though . . .

Pray his wife and family are strong

PS: You're doing a great work. Mind you sinful evil, permitted evil etc are at your disposal too

mazaje:
The sophist songs they keep singing to themselves all the time

. . . You did. . . .

The presence of Evil lays the biggest doubt of the existence of an OMNIBENEVOLENT God. If there is an all good being, who in his pursuits CHOOSES good despite his ability to do bad, why is there evil? If he has elected none? If he is all perfect?

plaetton:
@Enigma.
I do understand the definition of objective morality.
I have also stated that morality is fluid. Infact, I have used the example you cited above many times in the past.
I am not contradicting myself.
You guys seem to be confused and are shifting the goal post to suit yourselves.
My point is simple, Morality, objective or otherwise, is not a neither a product of nor an exlusive  domain of theology.

plaetton:
You missed my point.What I meant to convey is that our consciousness has evolved to the point where we see such things as repulsive, irrespective who  or when it is practiced.