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 Christianity Etc › Re: Was The Trinity Doctrine Invented At A Council Meeting Or By The RCC? by Enigma(op): 10:16am On Sep 18, 2010 |
To know when Jesus Christ began to exist is to know when God began to be as, somewhat paradoxically, it is to know when God's "word" began to exist. To know when the Holy Spirit began to exist is to know when God began to be as, somewhat paradoxically, it is to know when God's breath began to exist. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was The Trinity Doctrine Invented At A Council Meeting Or By The RCC? by Enigma(op): 10:10am On Sep 18, 2010 |
Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.Just as God's "word" and His "breath" are both separable and inseparable from God so are Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit both separable and inseparable from God the Father. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Was The Trinity Doctrine Invented At A Council Meeting Or By The RCC? by Enigma(op): 10:02am On Sep 18, 2010 |
Enigma:1. Of the Father's heart begotten, Ere the world began to be, Called the Alpha and Omega, Both the source and end is He Of all things that are, that ever have been, And that future years shall see, Evermore and evermore! 2. O that birth forever blessed! When the Virgin, full of grace, By the Holy Ghost conceiving, Bore the Savior of our race; And the Babe, the world's Redeemer, First revealed His sacred face, Evermore and evermore! 3. O ye heights of Heav'n, adore Him; Angel hosts, his praises sing; Pow'rs, dominions, bow before Him, And extol our God and King; Let no tongue on earth be silent, Ev'ry voice in concert ring, Evermore and evermore! [flash=400,400] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-XYlu3667s?fs=1&hl=en_GB" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed>[/flash] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 9:04am On Sep 18, 2010 |
@newmi Is it the name that matters or the entity, the person, the essence behind that name or appellation ----- whether it be "the Word", "Jesus", "the Christ", "the Morning Star" or "the Alfa and Omega"? Is Jesus to be differentiated from the Word, the Christ etc? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: I Really Cannot Believe This! by Enigma(m): 8:18am On Sep 18, 2010 |
http://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/crushboy.asp These pictures originated with the Iranian news site PeykeIran, who (along with persons who have witnessed similar scenes in other countries) confirmed that what the photographs actually depict is performers hustling money from onlookers by staging a common street act, one in which a subject seemingly allows himself to be run over by a heavy vehicle and then emerges unscathed. This a common act, variations of which are performed by many magicians and accomplished through a variety of means, with no lasting harm done. That the subject is a small boy who grimaces his way through the stunt is all part of the act, intended to elicit sympathy and extra cash from onlookers. (Despite his contorted facial expressions, the boy is not seriously or permanently injured by the process.and The above photographs do not depict any form of amputation, and it is the child's left arm which goes under the wheels. Moreover, there are no police, judges, religious authorities, or other officials evident in any of the pictures, just a huckster with a hand-held microphone who drums up business and describes the action for the onlookers visible in the background of the first photo. (Also note the blanket placed under the boy's arm — something which is useful for a staged stunt but is unlikely to be provided or allowed by those intent on severely punishing a lawbreaker.)Edited |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 7:48pm On Sep 17, 2010 |
^^^ I just taya wen i read the pasiitor's latest bombshell. By the way, I recall vaguely that newmi is connected to Joagbaje in some way like mabell and nuella. Another BTW, nuc, I misread: it was Joagbaje who actually posted the gotquestions link --- I thought it was you which is why I playfully suggested the Yoruba link; incidentally, the Yoruba link may actually be helpful for our pasiitor. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by Enigma(m): 6:49pm On Sep 17, 2010 |
Meshi, mish mushkila.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 9:55am On Sep 17, 2010 |
Was it Image23 who said "ignorance laminated"? Well Joagbaje's latest is an example of delusion gone to seed. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 8:38am On Sep 16, 2010 |
@ nuc Funny, I only stumbled on the Yoruba section recently; I don't think it is Yoruba/Nigerian owned and I don't know why they chose Yoruba other than possibly as a "major world language" in line with what they say here http://www.gotquestions.org/history.html Also the name of their founder doesn't indicate any particular connection with Naija. Oya nuc, go and brush up on your Yoruba kia kia!  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 12:23am On Sep 16, 2010 |
@ nuclearboy Seeing that you referred to the gotquestions site earlier on, did you also see the following? http://www.gotquestions.org/Yoruba/ |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 11:49pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
^^^ Yep; and on this point about the distinction between "god' and "God', it is interesting if you can conceptualise things in Yoruba. In Yoruba we say Ọlọrun meaning owner of heaven (or some say 'owner of the rainbow womb') but really meaning primarily "God" (Almighty). In modern Yoruba parlance however the word 'ọlọrun' is sometimes used instead of 'oriṣa' (basically 'a god' ) - because deity is believed of both Ọlọrun and oriṣas. Sometimes, it takes an additional word to clarify when using Ọlọrun whether you mean the Almighty or some mythical or even false god: e.g. Ọlọrun Olodumare ---- usually meaning God Almighty Ọlọrun (or oriṣa) omi ---- the god/dess of the water Ọlọrun (or oriṣa) irin ---- the god of Iron etc etc |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 7:24pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
@ Deep Sight Hope you find a taker for your question. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 7:17pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
JeSoul:Ha ha, I like that; everyday, I find another reason to be jealous of the guy!  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 7:06pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
@ Mad_Max & Jesoul It's all good and it never needed to have got this far. Just that I had endured enough from a couple of people. All is still well with the world --- on the whole.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 6:37pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
@ Jesoul How good is your Yoruba, Jesoul? Jẹjẹ mi ni mo n'lọ . . . . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 6:31pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
MyJoe I try to keep out of this type of spat with your type. However, I am going to be plain direct: you ARE a LIAR! Anyway, this is the thread that is the root of your bitterness: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-490515.0.html Your bitterness lies in the fact that the shallowness of you and your friend Deep Sight was exposed when having let you guys spout, I made that post i.e. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-490515.128.html#msg6568739 showing how short you guys were of proving your "intellectual thesis". |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 6:07pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
E pass me oh! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 6:01pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
^^^ Whatever, mate. If what I have said is true, then look yourself in the mirror and ask who is "mendacious". |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 5:54pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
Meanwhile the Kunle who is calling me to task did not see fit to call his beloved friend to task for his gross rudeness to me in the thread in the following link even though Kunle was on the thread --- perhaps because they are both against the Trinity doctrine: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-454157.0.html All good. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 5:44pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
JeSoul:I was going to agree with this but then I thought maybe Kunle meant poor intellectually! By the way, like a broken clock that can be correct at least twice a day, Deep Sight can say some useful things. Nevertheless, I am not the first to comment on the shallowness of some of Deep Sight's posts --- indeed even people who apparently like him have made similar comments. There are several examples but I give just two below. From here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=371029.msg6174815#msg6174815 [quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=371029.msg6174815#msg6174815 date=1276002514]Deep Sight, how could you write so much and say so little? Forgive me, but your circular reasoning and peculiar, self-congratulatory logic is beyond me. When you have something to say lesser mortals may understand as digestible, I'll try and stop getting on your bad side and pay attention. Don't let me stop you and justcool from walking off hand-in-hand into some Technicolour sunset though. I give up on the 'war' of 'laws' and 'theories', Justcool. It's just semantics and pet definitions at cross-purposes. Changes nothing. Have it your way.[/quote]and from here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=369330.msg6339993#msg6339993 [quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=369330.msg6339993#msg6339993 date=1278432715]Awwww, hon. I've no interest in derailing the thread. The matter was laid to rest long ago. One argues major religious doctrines with someone who knows major religious doctrines. Your 'challenge' wasn't worth taking up by anyone who knows better. I see you're performing for some 'objective reader'. Ah. No wonder the theatrics. Enjoy. [/quote]Bold added The bit that I've bolded well encapsulates my view of some of Deep Sight's so-called "challenges" and "posers" --- and why I believe once again that I am better off to ignore them. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 1:45pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
^^^ If you think so, pasiitor Joagbaje; if you think so. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 12:14pm On Sep 15, 2010 |
@ Deep Sight Now, I am convinced I was right to have always ignored your rudeness as well as shallow intellectualism; I will probably revert to ignoring you altogether again; for me it's just not worthwhile engaging you ---- interestingly, I notice that some other people have a similar view of you (and not just Christians for that matter). See this thread for example: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-347068.0.html It would do you good (a) to learn some humility and (b) as one who so much aspires to be an "intellectual", to first learn the importance of having a sufficient or thorough or full understanding of a topic or point before displaying shallow understanding worsened by pronouncements of "conclusive conclusion". Be not surprised if after this I do not respond to your posts again ---- unless I find some good reason of my own to do so. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 10:33am On Sep 15, 2010 |
Joagbaje:Does the word "Elohim" refer to the "Godhead" every time "Elohim" appears in the Bible? In fact, no point waiting for your answer; rather let me show you one or two examples. 1 King 11:5 - For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the elohim of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. Exodus 22:8 - If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the elohim, [to see] whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour's goods. Exodus 9:28 - Intreat the LORD (for [it is] enough) that there be no [more] elohim thunderings and hail; and I will let you go, and ye shall stay no longer. Jonah 3:3 - So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an elohim great city of three days' journey. Joagbaje:Nah, we understand Paul and John (and James) well enough and that is why a heretic like opaks Oyakhilome holds no appeal whatsoever for us. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 10:00am On Sep 15, 2010 |
Apart from the poison that he constantly ingests from Chris The other point that our resident pasiitor conflates is that Jesus said that He and the Father are one --- here of course Jesus does not suggest that His disciples were to become one with God in the sense that Jesus is eternally one with God. And about Pasiitor Joagbaje's analogy of "becoming a car" because he gets in the car, don't make me laugh! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 8:28pm On Sep 13, 2010 |
Na wah oh! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 8:23pm On Sep 13, 2010 |
@ aletheia Or that if one even uses a basic concordance, one can see that even the pagan goddess Ashtoreth (among other people and things) is referred to as elohim! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 8:20pm On Sep 13, 2010 |
@ Toba You might find the two following links helpful; they are both relatively short and easy enough reads. http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/yegods.htm (even though apparently written by a Oneness pentecostal) http://exiledpreacher..com/2006/12/partakers-of-divine-nature-part-1.html (even though apparently written by an "exiled preacher" ) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 7:06pm On Sep 13, 2010 |
@ pastor AIO True, and I have commended Joagbaje on one or two points in the past (I'm pretty sure, going by memory); only, he is quite exasperating! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 7:02pm On Sep 13, 2010 |
^^ Haha and I have just offered part explanation; should have remained inscrutable! Deep Sight:Honestly, the day you show a better attitude to Christian doctrine as well as a genuine desire to understand, rather than to undermine based on very weak knowledge, the day you will see a less condescending attitude from me. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 6:59pm On Sep 13, 2010 |
@ Pastor AIO I see your point; but remember you can only assume a person's motive ----- you cannot fully know what drives them to certain position. Until recently, I would simply avoid Deep Sight's posts altogether for very good reason (which I will not state now due to his own expressed remorse). In the same manner, I generally try to avoid responding to some posters {as well as some snooty attitudes towards Christian doctrine} because I find greater peace that way. I find that when Deep Sight goes into his "conclusive conclusion" mode, it is better to leave him to it. It may come across to third parties as arrogance but I am at peace for I have my reasons. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 6:47pm On Sep 13, 2010 |
Deep Sight:Your shortcoming is simple: you are not wise enough to realise that I knew the impact and import of those words before using them ---- even when that was implicit in my post. That should have told you that there is more than meets the eye. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Joagbaje Became God by Enigma(m): 6:44pm On Sep 13, 2010 |
@Toba Your response is interesting and mostly accurate but the premise you give your conclusion is at best weak. I will break your post into two parts. toba:Now, you say that the judges did not have a divine nature: I agree! you say that the judges had powers to sentence: I agree. you say that this is {me: in a sense} comparable to God's ability to make unquestionable pronouncements: I agree. You say that thus in a sense, these judges are 'gods': I agree. However, always remember they are not divine! So if I say the Chief justice of Nigeria is 'god' because he has powers to sentence etc, how will you understand the word 'god' in that context? toba:Men (i.e. specifically the judges) were referred to as 'gods' in a particular and peculiar sense --- which you yourselves limited to exclude divinity and confined to powers to sentence. Now regarding the Jesus' statement ----- remember that He was deliberately quoting the Jews' own scriptures back at them: ". . . is it not written in your own law?" He was saying to them in essence 'what is the big deal you are making that I call myself God when even your own scriptures called men gods?' He was not saying that because He had a divine nature the judges or 'gods' also had a divine nature ---- and you yourself agree with this when you say that the judges did not have a divine nature. |
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