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raumdeuter:
In the EPL VVD has more interception than only one Liverpool defender.

According to the EPL official website, VVD has the highest interception

raumdeuter:
The stats you showed yesterday he has less interceptions than other defenders which is the key stat for defenders

When they concede its not its fault when they keep clean sheet its kudos to VVD

In the EPL only TAA has more interception per match that VVD and that's 1.3 to 1.2 lol. Is this the key stat other defenders are doing better than him? He has made lesser number of tackles per match in the EPL this season compared to others. I think Maldini was right after all. According to whoscored attackers have not been able to dribble past him. This VVD sef

raumdeuter:
Then how many clean sheet was he responsible for? Or why should be get the most credit for the clean sheets this season

Why is it that their clean sheets he gets the credit but when they concede its others

Well if we look at the number of blocks, clearances, interceptions, and tackles he has to make per match compared to others, we will see that he's doing a lot. But we don't even have to rely on stats like you always say right? We can see his performance on the field of play

raumdeuter:
As many as he was responsible for

That's just 1 then

RuuDie:
Allison is just a 'mere' GOOD purchase abi... oya put Karius behind VVD and lets see how attractive the numbers (stats) will look.

The counter-argument here is Liverpool have improved defensively because of VVD and all others brought in at the same time as him. Not that I agree with it, but makes more sense than putting it all down to VVD.

Same can be said for almost every rated player

0r30:
is stating full name compulsory??
how about just use our usernames here.
i am most conformable being anonymous. most programmers do too, that's why they mostly go by code names.

On twitter most have their real names on their profile

diggz:
why you dey disturb your elder this pikin? Allow him to have a rest n.a.....

No be disturbance na. We're getting somewhere so no worry we go soon rest

raumdeuter:
Messi should take credit for his own chances he scored not goals scored by Aguero and Higuain and be blamed for missing his own chances but not that of Aguero and Hiaguain

VVD should take credit for his own contribution whther positive or negative and not that of others

Out of those 10 goals conceded by LFC on their run to the final, how many should VVD take credit for?

Raumdeuter since VVD should be blamed for lapses in LFC defence, should Messi be blamed for argentina inability to score when it matter most? Hope you didn't join others to blame Aguero Higuain and co? He's their best player so he should take full responsibility

airmark:
You forgot to add 'oponu' at the end of your statement.



Diggz will update you.

Raumdeuter na my egbon. We may disagree on this but we agree on many other things eg Hazard

diggz:
And you say you sabi warri? Go ask jemi7 about kpon kpon football club for warri..

Oh that one? E don tey na

airmark:
You don play pon pon football.

Which one be pon pon football again? Lol

raumdeuter:
Because as a Central defender your ability to stop goals not score is what actually matters

But you were Hummels case during the world cup for missing goal scoring chances that would have kept Germany in the competition. Glad to know it doesn't matter anymore

raumdeuter:
Provide the stats for when Vidic was at his peak 2007 to 2009

He won EPL player of the year 2010/11 season

Vidic and Ferdinand had same interception rate but Vidic was busy making tackles and budeeing the ball all over the pitch.

Raumdeuter: Ferdinand was the better defender

raumdeuter:
Show us the stats for Vidic. And who are the better defenders he played with? Only Evra.

Is Gomez better than the player Ferdinand was? Is TAA better than the player Rafael was at that time?

raumdeuter:
And what is the better stat? Just to be clearing the ball senselessly like Sodje?

All the ones in green are the better stats

raumdeuter:
Vidic organizes his defence very well only resort to tackles to cover his lack of pace and most times his tackles get him into trouble.

Maldini is probably the best defender of the past 40yrs

Lol Vidic was averaging 8-9 clearances and over 2 tackles per match even though he played with better defenders. But but he organizes his defence very well. Is that not the leadership thing you were criticizing the other time?

raumdeuter:
Real Madrid defending has been shambolic and Sergio Ramos is often out of position and plays a lot of "as the spirit leads" defending. Do you know how many shots their keepers face per game?

Did you read what Maldini said about tackles?

So who are the better defenders today?

Maldini, just like every other person, is allowed to have an opinion. Vidic was well known for his tackles. Another bad defender

Sergio Ramos tackle per match is far higher than VVD and LaPorte. What a terrible defender! I just checked up some defenders that people praise and either they have high tackle or clearance rate. There are no more great defenders. Wait LaPorte is the last man standing

raumdeuter:
Interception and anticipation are the key things for a defender not to be booting ball into space

Do you know that whoscored do highlight the better stat in green during comparison?

raumdeuter:
Which stat is that? How does his interception rank?

As good as others

But is that the only stat you see there? That interception alone matters to you do not mean that that's what matters to everyone

patrickmuf:
Whether ror not he is responsible for the marked improvement in the Liverpool defence.

Well stats shows he's better than all other defenders in that team.

patrickmuf:
I am tired of arguing over something we shouldn't be arguing about at all.

I am not even sure what this argument is about sef. is it that VVD is a bad defender or that he is good but others in his team do better than him or that he's not the key man in that defense. I don't exactly what it is

raumdeuter:
He makes less tackles in defence which is commendable but having to clear or budee the ball like an amateur playing at Agege stadium are some of these negatives.

Look at the stat below for a defender 3yrs younger

Between VVD and LaPorte, who faces more pressure in defense?

Negatives to who?

raumdeuter:
Tackling is mainly high for defenders that are usually badly positioned

Have you read what Maldini one of the greatest defenders ever said about tackles?

Maldini: “IF I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake.”

For VVD tackles to be that high will mean he makes a lot of mistakes and is very rash

His tackles per match is lesser than others in his team. Does this means others are always poorly positioned and then he has to make more clearances to ease pressure?

raumdeuter:
Interception is the most important part of a defenders job and how is he doing there

I promise to answer you after you answer the questions I asked.

raumdeuter:
why will you be clearing balls like you are in Agege stadium when you can calmly play it out of the back

What's your opinion on the tackling stats there?

From their passing stats sef, VVD is doing much better than the rest

raumdeuter:
Are you sure you are looking at the stats eph posted. Rotate it

I noticed VVD's clearance and block are by far higher than others, especially clearance. Does this mean extra work or coverage?

What do we make up of this?

BlueRayDick:
I don't even understand where exactly you are coming from. Someone claimed Liverpool ordinarily won't be second on the log at this stage if not for the addition of VVD to the team, and I pointed it out to him that even under a certain Brendan Roger's that wasn't as good as Klopp they maintained top position for much of the season that year.

So where is Ur logic coming into the picture here with the sarri at Chelsea and pep at city talk?

It's not my logic, it's yours. Good luck trying to understand it

BlueRayDick:
You are not wrong, but what's the corellation with my post in response to the guy that claimed Liverpool wouldn't be second without VVD?

It's like saying City has been doing well before Pep so nothing interesting about Pep at City. He's not responsible for their current performance since they have lifted the league recently before he got there. That's your logic