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Hardetayour:
I pray his haters would get off his back now. He has endured for a really long time but it wasn't for nothing tho.

I wish he comes back 100% and be the kind of player he has always been

Weak emotional move that does not help his legacy. He will only get some respite for a year and after that, every failure by the Nets will be blamed on him. If anything, he is almost helping Lebron (almost because I don't think they get Kawhi).

Great player nonetheless with a good heart. I expect him to recover and make the Nets top 5 team in the East, but my man is not winning any ring again. Sad truth.

steady986:
I'm preparing for when we win the next three rings with our superstar team and you people will say our rings don't count because we have too many stars.

This present lakers team won't beat Rockets and Raptors as assembled. If KD and Klay were fit, GSW will probably gentlemanly sweep them.

A team without shooters. Lol

steady986:
Virtually everybody was drafted in this league so what are you saying? Who go become superstar go become superstar.

Stop and think.

Steph was drafted #7 Klay was number 12, Green #35

Which means 6 teams had the chance to draft Curry. 11 had the chance to get Klay. 34 had the chance to get Green. That they turned out to be superstars is nobody's fault. So all that parity talk was rubbish.

Then KD was an unrestricted free agent. He joined them and everybody has been making noise.

Yet Lebron was a first draft. AD first draft and Kyrie a first draft pick. And nobody is complaining if they come together through TRADES.

Parity kee you there!

Hardetayour:
Whoever on this thread is against anybody forming the new Avengers. We don't really care bruh. You're the ones crying and now you're about to build the squad. Let's see how it goes.

All the warriors did was get a free agent. The rest were drafted. But other players should trade everything they have and create max spaces for all the other stars. That is parity.

Many are mad, few are roaming.

steady986:
Someone is scared.

I am not scared at all. Just stating that taking a meeting is nothing. KD entertained Celtics, Wizards, Knicks, GSW in 2016/17. Kawhi is a lowkey person who does not like all the brouhaha associated with stardom. If he was to leave the Raptors at this point, it will be to the Clippers. My only point is that he will most likely try again with the Raptors because as they stand, (with an unhealthy GSW) they are still the team to beat.

You people should look for Butler to help save your king's legacy. It won't be Kawhi or Kyrie.

Northeastern:
We are talking of a balanced league, you guys are talking be afraid. The whole world called KD's move to the warriors the weakest move in the history of the game and now ya all want the 3 of the top 5 players in the world on one roster.

Here's my take, KD should leave the warriors, Kawhi can go anywhere except the warriors, the lakers, and any team that signs KD. The way it is going, the east might not win any ring in the next ten years. Any player that is strong should stay on a team and prove it, not teaming up to get a ring.

Forget the hypocrisy which only got to KD and not the Warriors supporters. Kawhi would most likely sign a player option with the Raptors for another year and probably leave to the Clippers. He is not going to any Lakers. People don't know the implications of taking a meeting. Players just want to appear professional in case of the future. A team wants to meet with you, you most likely honour it especially when it is a franchise like the Lakers. It is the same reason KD has not re-signed with the warriors. He will wait to hear the pitch from all the courting teams and then announce his decision publicly or call the teams and tell them about his decision. If he had announced it since, teams would not bother pitching him.

I think the Lakers will not get either of Kyrie or Kawhi. They are better of chasing Jimmy Butler.

steady986:
Nah, I ain't buying it bro. They lied to everybody, including Iggy. That's what they do, they lie. Classless organization

LOL. Is that what Iggy said?

steady986:
But you questioned his understanding abi? Smh. Always looking for the easy way out

Intelligence and understanding are the same?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

steady986:
But didn't you hear him say muscle the whole show? Did he say bone more than once? Omo, your own worse o

Do you want to bet again? LOOL

steady986:
What? You're not supporting your boy Eruditor anymore. Don't leave him in the cold man.

Face palm.

steady986:
Does that mean that the GS doctors are underskilled quacks? Because they outrightly said that there was no way KD was in danger of hurting Achilles. Whichever way, GS are to be held responsible for this mess.

You can hurt your Achilles mounting a woman, dude. KD could have been on his treadmill and hurt his Achilles. Freak injuries happen.

steady986:
So when GS people lied to the media that it was a bone bruise and not a fracture, did they also lie to his teammates? Because his teammates were urging him to come back too.

Wonderful question and I am happy you reasoned well for once.

Health issues are private and many times you don't feed things to teammates as you can never tell who the mole is. You do know some players leak information to the press for various reasons? So sometimes, the medical team will only inform the player whose health is in question and the coach and then leave everybody else guessing.

Ask Jalen Rose for example how he was so sure looooooong before Kawhi left the spurs that Kawhi was not going to play for them again. I mean, he even placed a bet online about it and he was right. Yea..because someone from Kawhi's camp definitely leaked it to him. If it was not Kawhi himself.

birdman:
Because an insider has confirmed warriors staff do underplay diagnosis? Why are you and Eruditor so defensive? You ought to be on the side of players. And its not just warriors...Kawhi had issues with the Spurs. Just admit...it wont kee u...

Hahaha. Spurs misdiagnosed Kawhi and told him his injury was not serious. They even asked him to play.

Iggy said the medical team told him he had a fracture..ruled him out internally..never asked him to play..but lied to the media that it was just a bone bruise. Spot the difference.

steady986:
Chai, you're so dumb to the extent that you didn't know he meant to say muscle. You go dey alright las las.

In the whole universe, you seem to be the only one picking sides with the Warriors on KD's case. You sef no reason the thing? Even A40 is not with you on this

You are dumber than I thought.

He did not mean to say anything. He said what he said and he goofed. Same way you have goofed for using him as a yardstick or even trying to defend him. Hahaha.

steady986:
You sound like a defeated loser who has nothing else to say other than question people's intelligence.

I questioned your intelligence. Not his. Don't be trying to robe him in. You are the dullard here. Our resident dullard-inho.

steady986:
You think your talking smack makes you sound like you're intelligent? Lol. I know your type. You are even willing to say Einstein is dumb just because you don't agree with him or your small brain can't comprehend what he does or says.

You should use control + S on your passport photo if you are trying to save face.

DeeMain:
There is no winning this argument no matter the amount of evidence or points presented here. I know.

Passion has mythical powers.

It's like trying to argue about religion or denominations. Or debating who is better between Messi and Ronaldo. Or telling a battered woman to leave an abusive relationship.

So, don't come here preaching like you are talking facts and reason. You are a thoroughly invested passionate fan and your core instinct in this debate is 'we die here".

I understand.

No hard feelings.

Best wishes everyone.

Your drivel speaks more to you than me. The mythical powers are the ones that will come up with reasons for Iggy and even argue with said player when he himself has come out to refute what you are saying. Or the ones who switch arguments from he called out the warriors to they rushed him back. LOL. Let us assume KDs Achilles was already partially torn when they misdiagnosed him, at what point would the tear have healed? Lol. So no matter what you are saying, the Achilles would have still ruptured at some point and KD would have needed a surgery. You have argued with the warriors. Argued with Iggy. Argued with SmooshCHN who is a resident doctor himself but it is me and him who are arguing impassionedly.


LOL.

birdman:
@ Eruditor
I watched the whole thing. Look he is still a warrior, so he cant come out and be directly abusing the training staff he will be working with next season. But he was specific...someone on the team said he had a bone bruise when what he had was a fracture. He said he had to fight the team on this. There is no way to spin it. He mentioned this when asked about Durant.

In other news, we know part of the reason Mark Jackson was let go. I am not too surprised, he was very vocal about his faith in a hostile environment. I always wondered if someone would challenge him.

So congrats. Your team is wicked and godless

No offense but this makes 0 sense. He can't come out and abuse the medical staff but he can come out to say they misdiagnosed him? Lol. Pick a lane and stick to it. Your two sentences contradict themselves.

He also said it was being put out there. Not in here. Out there. So who forms the out there that he was referring to? Or did Iggy diagnose himself and then refuse to play? LOL.

Mark Jackson did not openly criticise being gay even when he knew one of the owners was gay? Mark Jackson was not insulting ownership in the dressing room? There is not much to say about him because I don't even care that much. He went and we won 3 rings so I am gucci.

SmooshCHN:
This guy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhq5J-nI3NI

I stan.

Thanks SmooshCHN and SircumAlot. There is nothing more to say. Bros started from claiming Iggy indicted us. Then switched to well he was saying they misdiagnosed KD. To pressure to play. I just tire. Like you said, when someone watches the Iggy interview with an idea in mind you will read your own idea into whatever he was saying. They will soon say Iggy wanted to leave the club which is why he said what he said. Even when in that same interview he talked about coming back. One thing our bros is also ignoring is that Iggy said KDs injury was either an act of God or a higher power. That very injury could have happened even without a calf strain. You said so when you gave the getting off a bus example. Bros was even saying that KD injury came from jumping. Na dude. He crossed over..and that movement could have caused an achilles for even Steph. It was a freaky injury. Nobody will risk KD back with the hint of an Achilles tendon injury. Nobody.

DeeMain:
Dude, I didn't say the Management lied or the doctors didn't give him a go-ahead. I've never made those claims.

What I said is up there. Don't put words into my mouth.

Listen to Iggy again and read my post in between the lines.

Indirect, subtle pressures and expectations from management mean that the players, team doctors and even the players personal doctors are under some kind of pressure to deliver a certain deliverable or result or expectation no matter what. So, do not be fooled into believing that every diagnosis or statement a doctor puts out there is fact. Other considerations other than being professional might be goading him.

Only very brave and self-contained players and some brave doctors can consistently be immune to and resist such indirect pressures and expectations.

Sadly, it seems KD and regrettably his doctors, fell to such subtle pressures and rushed back too early.

Sadly, you are still looking for different ways to make the same wrong statement.

Nobody management or medical team put any pressure on Iggy and by extension KD. So your metaphor can safely be thrown out. As far as similarities go, the medical team did not misinform or misdiagnose anybody to deliver any deliverables. The only thing Iggy said was, they lied to the media which in turn generated pressures that neither the Warriors or the medical team cowered to in Iggy's case so how you made that leap to extrapolate it into KDs is voodoo.

There was no pressure to deliver KD. If the player himself and warriors felt any pressure, what pressure will his own doctors feel to risk their client who could potentially lose his career and have no money to keep them on his payroll?

Like I said, the hoopla was simply because people wanted to claim Iggy was exposing the Warriors but that has been thrown out by the player himself. You are now trying and failing to make Iggy say what he himself said he was not saying.

LOL

DeeMain:
My take.

He mentioned the indirect and subtle pressure on him(Iggy) to play from family, management, team mates, fans, when he was injured the season before as a metaphor for what happened to KD.

He mentioned the same kinds of indirect and subtle pressures was on KD. The expectation that players are supposed to play through injury no matter and that if KD is not playing, that's money down the drain and title slipping out and the big label, "he's not tough".

Guy, my inference is valid considering the whole context of KD's injury and what Iggy, his team mate said here.

It's a league wide problem though, not just the Warriors - this pressure on star players.

So yes, it's an indictment, in my opinion.

Your opinion is wonderfully wrong. No debate.

He said " it was put OUT THERE" as a bone bruise. Put out there to who? That is your answer. Iggy himself praised the team because not only did they not mislead him. They still treated him the way a fracture should be treated without ever asking him to play. The only thing they did was misinform journalists to keep the opposition guessing. It is not rocket science.

Of course, when the media keep carrying a news repeatedly that a player has a bone bruise, people here and there will ask questions. How is the leg? Can you play? Is the pain still there? I mean, Steph was being asked these questions when he hurt his fingers. At no point did he say the Medical team misled HIM which is the lame argument you are trying to defend.

Same goes for KD who (by the way got cleared by his own doctors) and then INSISTED on playing. Whatever pressures he felt is not in anyway related to the hot takes or about NBA teams misinforming the media. The warriors for e.g if KDs initial injury was an Achilles could have still lied it was a calf strain but they would have never played him (as he would not have been able to even play..LOL).

And no amount of pressure can make a player who is unable to play, play. The pressure came from the media who kept claiming the player was out of GSW so to prove to them he was not out, he played.

Max Kellerman said Achilless bone is connected to the Calf bone.

LOL

That is who someone was quoting.

LOL

DeeMain:
Make your argument without sounding disrespectful, dude. That 's what I deduced from what he said. Glad I'm not the only one.

Ok no vex.

You don't need to be the only one to still be unashamedly wrong by the way.

He said when he fractured his leg last time against Rockets, the medical team of the warriors told THE NBA that it was a bone bruise even though they knew it was a fracture. Every team does that BTW. You want to unsettle the opposition and make them overcalculate their tactics. If Iggy was ruled out completely the Rockets would have been emboldened. Rockets did same about CP3 and kept lying that he could play game 6 or 7 even when they knew he was out. That was the summary of what he said.

Warriors did not play him, did they? The medical staff did not misdiagnose him (in fact he praised them). They only misled the NBA, journalists and the rockets (or at least they tried to).

I am not even saying anything new. If you do some digging, you will see that at the time last playoffs, I said categorically that Iggy's bone bruise injury claim was BS. Teams do that.

I would have gone to say exactly what he said about KDs injury but I am sure that is not what people care about. The hottake nonsense was to act like Warriors had misled Iggy about his injury but that is not what he was saying. Thing is, when you have made up your mind to hang your dog, any thread will be good enough. Which explains why people deliberately misunderstood the player.

SmooshCHN:
Opting out of the Warriors for being a classless organization. This guy gives himself a 10/10 when it comes to basketball

I genuinely like the guy..no homo.

Homie cracks me up.

DeeMain:
Watched it and I believe it's an indictment of the Warriors' hierarchy and also the NBA.

LOL.



Kneel where you are and ask God for the spirit of understanding.

steady986:
Lol, something that was discussed on first take. GS are a classless org. No wonder KD is opting out.

This one too will say he has a brain. LOL. Opting out of what?

I am waiting for the usually reasonable birdman to respond. I have already accepted that a lot of people on here are not as intelligent as they think they are. The firsttake mugus no different. You are on your own pedestal when it comes to mumulity sha. Carry go.

birdman:
now that iguodala has spoken, warriors defenders where are you. you see urself? lol

I hope you actually watched the interview and not read excerpts off a dumb article? Some of us watched the interview. I would wait for you to watch it and then come back and give your opinion on what he actually said then I can help clear grey areas that you may not have understood.

Gentlewarrior1:
I think both are correct

Apparently their is debate on this and different people with different views in the topic.

English gurus abeg enlighten which one is more correct

Both are not correct. Eat your cake and have it was used before but it was emended because the word have as used in the statement means "eat" as well.

Not an english guru.

losprince:
You're wrong, it's eat your cake and have it.

Think about it, it makes more sense. Or Google it.

Actually, you are wrong. You can eat your cake and have it but you cannot have your cake and eat it.

steady986:
What do you mean lead comfortably? How many comfortable leads did they have in this years playoffs? Even against Portland that they blew out. Your argument doesn't hold water my friend. Even LeBron's teams have had some comfortable wins too.

At least your boy should have posted a number in that stat. 0 of 9 is just absurd.

Why ask about this year? They played with injuries this year which made games closer. They won Portland game 1 by 22.

Blew out Clippers in game 1 as well.

Lebron's teams have had less blowouts than GSW. Just stop arguing please..

KarnThornheart:
Points are points, people play to their strengths. Its about delivering in crunch time.


Dame hasnt attempted enough shots to feature in the top 10.

He has and his % is better than Lebron which is why it is not there.

He had against OKC. Against Clippers or so in the past. Against GSW this year but he missed. He has had a few.