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Of course Mourinho was fired at both Chelsea and Real Madrid. Is that even an argument?

lalaboi:
A loss would have been better sha. . We, the City Haters Association will take this tho.

They drew a game at same stage of last season so make we never loud am until they lose one!

At least somebody remembers the Everton game or the fact that nobody will win every match.

Let us see how many top teams will win a match at the newly promoted sides from a losing position, away.

macjireh:
Oboi D's is a different season for city.....now pep will know its no Spain or Germany where its a 2 horse race,,,,,,Barca/Bayern and d others...


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EPL NOT A ONE HORSE RACE

O boy.

Not again.

Roland17:
Not disputing the probability of this influencing the decision, however, this was the same situation last season especially during the first half of the season.

More so, Mendy had a terrible game as he looked shaky at the back and struggled in one on one situations.

Yea but Mendy at the back facing Costa or Traore is a better proposition than Sané himself who looked shaky until the last minute of the game.

Mendy was bad in defense but he was excellent going forward with excellent passes and crosses which on another day would have led to goals.

But that was Pep's exact reason when he was asked before the game about Sané.

raumdeuter:
I'm sure you'll also deny the handball

Not just handball. They mauled Raheem all game. And Silva Penalty.

raumdeuter:
Between mahrez Sane Sterling Bernardo and even Jesus at least 2 or 3 top players there will be disgruntled

Sterling is English so has the advantage

Maybe there was a reason Bayern management held back on splashing on Martial to see what happens

Sane at Bayern becomes an automatic starter

Sane was not starting because of Mendy who in attack is like a winger.

United fans are complaining that Lindelof and Bailly (2 defenders Mourinho purchased himself) are not good enough to defend against Brighton and he was justified to ask the board for Boateng and Alderweireld?

Okay.

patrickmuf:
When comparing players, do well to separate individual achievements from team success...Kroos is definitely not better than Xavi in his time who didn't win 4 UCL neither is Pedro better than Griezmann or Giroud better than Diego Costa...We're on about individual quality here bro.

That is the point I have been making.

spartacus11:
Why is KDB having some negative -ve scores on those stats

Because some of those stats are dependent on the teams wins and goals conceded. They should bring the stats of Kevlor Navas and Neuer in that same 2016/17 let us see it as well.

liveLongNprospa:
I asked you a question
Who achieved more at 28 between Toni and Xavi?
And explain Toni's role for me if you really understand what he does on the field.
You are quick to list out KDB's abilities so I am pretty sure you can help out with Toni's abilities too..yes?

I have listed exactly what Kroos does. Recycle possession. If a team is dominant..Kroos will not make a mistake. If a team is wobbly, Kroos will not bail you out. He does the simple things very well. Collects the ball from the defence..feeds the enforcer (Modric). Takes corners. Passes the ball to space. Shoots if an opportunity affords itself. The typical central midfielder.

Roland17:
Baba,

There is absolutely no fact to the inferences you have made because they did not happen, consequently, they are not factual.
No one knows for sure if Madrid would have won the title with Cech as a goalie but we know for sure that they won it with Navas and Kroos. This is not a case of could, would or may..

As far as records show, Kroos played was a starter for the title winning teams of Real Madrid. The mere fact that he stayed healthy to play all these games is a testament.

You know the point was to explain the significance of their roles in the winning teams. That Kroos started is not substantial enough to make him key. Kroos is a solid player. But his role can easily be replaced such that nobody would have made an argument for RM if Kroos did not play and RM lost, the same way they would have if say CR7 or Sergio Ramos were unavailable.

Roland17:
Really? I will give you recent examples.

The 2017/2018 round of 16 UCL against Napoli, I hope you remember that game, if not, look it up on YouTube. He was master class.

Last gasp free kick against Sweden at the recently concluded world cup in Russia gave the German's 2nd round qualification hopes. He dominated that game and controlled the game from the middle of the park.

I can go on and on..

No, this is simply not empirically true or substantial. You are recommending any game he put a shift to make a case for dominance and that does not cut it. Against Sweden or Napoli he simply put a shift. Even the ratings show it. Scoring a decider via a freekick is brilliant just like Henry scored from one against Brazil in a huge WC game. Yet it was Zidane who got all the plaudits because he DOMINATED that game.

madrid5:
just like kroos was already better than debruyne before he stepped foot on Madrid,so the useless modric and co dragged him to 3 champions league is a big nonsense,KDB is undoubtedly better than neves,but his levels are the Ericksons and coutihno of this world not a living legend.

Kroos was not..that is exactly what I am telling you and you cannot prove me wrong.

Just the same way Peter Cech (at his current state) could have been RMs goals keeper instead of Kevlor Navas and RM could still have won the UCL. Carvahal got hurt against Liverpool and nothing changed. That is how inconsequential Kroos is. He is there to minimise mistakes in RMs midfield because he is a low risk midfielder who does the simple things very well. Finish.

liveLongNprospa:
I have two questions for you.. At 28 what was xavi's achievement..
Then can you explain Kroos role in the madrid team?

Achievement is not ability. They are two distinct things entirely.

That is why Manuel Neuer is a better keeper than Navas even though Navas has won the greatest club trophy (achievement) more times than Neuer.

madrid5:
because he plays with better team mates(400 million teammates),a better coach ,thats why you think he is better

He did these things in Wolfsburg even before meeting Pep.

madrid5:
oh empasis on better?okay lets see kroos is better playmaker,more press resistant,more fotballing IQ,better passer,doesnt choke in big stage,kroos dictates play far more than KDB,yeah i give the ginger prince credit for more athleticm and goal scoring[considering he plays more higher the pitch than kroos in his average career since 2014 not suprising]ahhh anyway make i crash.

At least we are getting somewhere.

Kroos does not make plays. He is a perpetual recycler of the ball. Does not make risky passes. Is lazy on the ball and cannot mark to save his life. Kroos is quite intelligent, but he is not near as intelligent as KDB. If he was, he would make more assists which he cant because he does not see the game like KDB. Kroos is also not a better passer. He has range and accuracy, but where Kroos has to be told where to put the ball, KDB often sees it light years ahead. I have not seen any game where Kroos dictated the play except you are talking about Modric here.

And KDB does not play higher up than Kroos. That is a big fat lie.

madrid5:
what makes debruyne better than ruben neves?

His passing range is better.
His shot taking is better.
He is substantially more intelligent and makes better decisions under pressure.
He assists more.
Scores more.
Covers more distance.

elrony:
Stop running around in circles sir and screaming logic upandan.
You brought up De Gea and Navas not me.

All to discredit Kroos you claimed he is not a key part of the Madrid set up, I'm still amused by this.

When Kroos and KDB is involved, Kroos is ahead of KDB ... doesn't mean KDB is not a good player.

You are now trapped so your best bet is to avoid your own argument.

If Kroos being a starter for a team that won UCL back to back to back is the reason he is better than KDB why should that same reason not hold true when Navas and De Gea are involved?

Bringing up RM trying to purchase DDG as a reason for him being better than Navas is my own argument. Because I am the one saying that KDB does everything midfielders should do, better than Kroos does it even if Kroos has won more as a footballer.

madrid5:
look this opko oh,so if there are are no great player in a winning team why does it win in the first place,your reverse logic is why i keep insisting zaha is better than messi.continue with this rubbish joor,nothing do you,meanwhile i still dey wait for debruyne best game oh

Boy, I'm not as intelligent as you are giving me credit for. For e.g I don't have the ability to understand the gibberish you are typing.

Messi dribbles better than Zaha.
Scores more.
Assists more.

Even if Messi had won nothing like Zaha, Messi will still be a better player. Emphasis on BETTER.

Unlimited22:
I'm really amazed at the level of flak Toni Kroos is getting. It's amazing.

I don't know about flak. He is a solid player. But he is not that otherworldly talent he is being made out to look like. He simply does not make a difference and nobody has shown how he does. They keep pointing to team trophies he won but when we flesh out his contributions he always falls way below the pecking order.

madrid5:
varane is centerback and he was part of the reason why france shut out the belgian attack,he performed in the biggiest stage and he earned his award unlike your ginger prince who only shines in local league games,but continue sha,wake me till KDB perfoms on the big stage like varane that night.

I asked if he dominated the game. I am trying to understand what dominating a game means.

elrony:
It would have, if United were chasing Navas to come and replace De Gea couple of transfer windows ago

Ok, so Courtois who has not won as much as Kevlor Navas is better than him? Your own logic says so but disregards itself when Kroos and KDB are involved.

madrid5:
please dont misquote me,i didnt say kroos dominated CL in 2012,at age 22 he performed better in the champions league that year that debruyne in his full career

Yes he did. Every player in a winning team is better than every other in any team that did not win. Therefore Giroud performed better in the WC than Mandzukic.

elrony:
El oh el ... I almost laughed

Why should your own logic humor you?

madrid5:
ahhh i give up on this robot abeg ,ironically kroos was the man of the match in that game,bigger than any game debruyne was the best player

Just like Varane dominated the game against Belgium in the SF of 2018 since he too was awarded MOTM.

raumdeuter:
Please what did Kroos do in the 2012 champions league

He dominated it. He is also so good that he dominated Brazil vs France. (Madrid5, 2018).

elrony:
What a day to underrate Toni Kroos


Even De Bruyne will wake up every morning and pray to be Kroos..

Kroos >>>>>>>>>>>> KDB and his generation.

De Gea will pray to be Kevlor Navas.

madrid5:
it's actually piontless to discuss with you further,if you feel messi has not won anything he is not a better player than zaha,na me dey ask you what has messi done with his career to be better than zaha?

Can you read?

Re-read what I posted and make a befitting rejoinder so I can understand you.

elrony:
A human being played there and City won the league b4 De Bruyne got there!

With virtually the same team? Help me out.

madrid5:
brazil vs germany, brazil vs france,just my random guess but they are bigger than debruynes career so far

So Kroos played when Brazil played France. I am an idiot then. I accept.

So Andre Schullre too dominated that game abi? Because scoring 2 goals is equivalent to dominating again.

elrony:
He's a peripheral figure abi?


Things people say for argument sakes

Xabi Alonso played there and Madrid still won a UCL before Kroos got there.

madrid5:
this has to be the most brainless post i have read so far today,considering the amount of idiots here i say you are a very special one,so you are a barca fan after all messi did for you you still binned him under zaha,a local premier league superstar?,na wa for you oh.

I won't muddy myself playing dirty with you. You are evading the pointers because you have none. If Messi had not won anything in his life, he will still be a better player than Zaha. The question I asked is not who has had a better career between KDB and Kroos. I said who is better. I would not be so quick to call others idiots when I am unaware that I tattooed it on my forehead.