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Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 8:13pm On Oct 22, 2013
ummsulaym: umm Nusayba, u got me laughing... Ummsulaym is a kuniya taken after a female sahab I never saw though but love so much... Her real name is Ghumaysa, some say Rumaysa... But I don't know if she had a son called sulaym. You & I have sumtin in common*gathering names for the unborn* and we aren't even married yet*LOL*. My dream names for boys are Muhammad and Jibril, for females; Summaya and Rahila... My name is Haritha*just like Adam feminize to Adama, LOL*

@ all, my apologies if we went off topic*derail this thread*... Salam!!!
w/salam.Nice names Haritha and Waduuda. For me I'm hearing these names for the first time.

For my daughters in sha Allah.They'll b : Maryam,Mardiya,Nusayba,Fauziya,Zilfa'u,Fatima,Rukayyat,Zainab,Aisha......
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 6:40am On Oct 22, 2013
NO.

As I qouted what Dr Qaradawi said there was no any of sahabah that shaved beard.

But the scholars equate it with dyeing the hair since they serve the same purpose-to be different from the jews and christains.

@Ummu ,ameen.

loading...QUALITIES OF HIJAB
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 12:41am On Oct 22, 2013
ummsulaym: sis sissie question-answered your question gbaskilly*pardon my grammar*... Really, that's a straight foward answer she gave even though in a question format...
This is a personal answer, should I say contribution:
1) Though nothing is impossibible with Allah SWT but if a sis couldnt embrace the usage of hijab from primary, secondary and finally pass through higher institution, it just normally becomes 'tougher' to embrace it when a graduate... There are exceptions though but that's how best I can answer that

2) On personal ground, I wouldn't wish or pray to be a second wife not to talk of 3rd or 4th... Other(s)*if my hubby wills to take more* can join me but I love being first... Can't explain it better but I love to be the first if not the 'only'*winks*

3) Allah has made 1-4 permissible and HE is the most wise so I cannot question that rather than pray for the heart to act right if my man ever takes another... But answering why I'll prefer being the only wife is better understood if you put yourself in my shoes which is ''the wife you love so much, the mother of your children, living under the same roof with you but shared with another man or men and you are aware but have to continue living with that''... It's better understood by sisters but All I ask Allah for is to help me bear it with love for my husband and co-wives*if I will ever have any* but bro, the condition that i wount stay under the same roof with the co-wives must be honoured by my husband... It's better when I dont see it happened... I wont and will never prevent my man from taking another wife*if he wills* reason being that he musn't have any reason whatsoever to 'near zina'... I want to make JANNAH with him*winks*

wa Allahu a'alam
You are the kind of sister a gud brother will long to've as his adorable first lady *wink* y?

Due to the love you'll have for the coming co-wives...

The Prophet p.b.u.h said "none of your trully believes until he/she loves for his/her brother/sister what he/she loves for himself/herself"

Another question- Does wearing hijab diminishes a sister's beauty? *wink*

I was advising a sister to be dressng hijabatedly-she said actions are judged according to intensions...have I finish washing my sins...she knows the way she worship her God etc.

Thanks for your contribution

Jazakillahu khair
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 12:19am On Oct 22, 2013
harmeenart: Dyeing gray hair and shaving the beards are two different issues with different judgements and cant be compared.check www.muttaqun.com for evidences on beards,cant type much.I hope it helps a little.
Jazakillahu khaira. I visited the site,masha Allah well organised.

But there is no where that they compare dyeing hair and letting the beard grow.

The essence of dyeing the hair and letting the beards grow is the same-to be different from the jews and christains. So they have the same judgement.

Al-Bukhari,on the authority of Abu Hurairah,reported the Prophet p.b.u.h as saying "The Jews and the Christains do not dye their hair,so be different from them" Reported by Bukhari in his book clothing,Chapter "Dyeing the Hair"
Some sahabas such as Ali,Ubay ibn ka'b and Anas did not dye their hairs according to scholars.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 12:06am On Oct 22, 2013
tbaba1234: ^Has to do more with ' arrogance' ?
Yeah
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 11:17pm On Oct 21, 2013
***Trousers below the ankle

Abdullah ibn ‘Umar narrated that the Prophet (saws) said : “Whoever trails his garment out of pride Allah will not look at him on the Day of Judgment.” Abu Bakr said
“One of the sides of my garment drags below [the other] unless I protect myself against that.” The
Prophet (saws) said “You don’t do that out of arrogance.” [Bukhari]

Also in another hadith Abu Huraira narrated that the Prophet (saws) said “Whatever is below the
ankles of the izār is in the
Fire” [Bukhari]
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 10:55pm On Oct 21, 2013
tbaba1234: I think we have to analyse the evidence for each position to see what is more convincing.

Currently, I believe the position that it is compulsory is strongest but makrooh is bad enough.

I have also seen the papers that permit not keeping beards but they are not convincing at all for me.

You can get fatwas for everything now.
He said shaving the beards is Makruh. Growing it is commendable rather than obligatory.

He further stated that the reason for growing the beard is to be different from the non-believers,it is similar to the matter of dyeing gray hair in order to be distinct from the jews and christains; it is known that some of the sahabah did not dye their gray hair, signifying that it was commendable rather than obligatory.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 10:42pm On Oct 21, 2013
Esji80: Assalamu alaikum w.w

****HIJAB
Abu Huraira r.a narrated that the Prophet p.b.u.h said "I won't b a witness for 2 ppl who are destined for the Fire: ppl with whips like the tails of cows,who beat the ppl(i.e tyrannical rulers who are the enemies of their ppl),and women who although clothed, are yet naked,seducing and being seduced,their hair styled like the tilted humps of camels. These will not enter paradise nor will its fragrance even reach them,although its fragnance reaches a very great distance" Reported by Muslim
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 10:24pm On Oct 21, 2013
busar: grin grin grin brothers still doing what they know how to do best. Shaving of beards makru? Do you havae any evidence for that? The Prophet is the best example for the believers. And i don't think there's any companion that don't keep the beards.
YES.
check AL HALAL WAL HARAM FIL ISLAM-the lawful and the Prohibited by Dr Al-Qaradawi pgs 94-96

"...there are three opinions with regard to the shaving of the beard: one,that is haram, which is the opinion of Ibn Taymiyyah and others;two,that it is makruh,the opinion of Ayyad as mentioned in Al-Fatah al-Bari but no one else; and three,that it is permitted, which is the opinion of some scholars."

He further said the second opinion is nearer to the truth and more moderate.Growing the beard is commendable not compulsory,and shaving it would be classified as makruh rather than haram.That none of the sahabas was known to have shaved his beard....
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 9:00pm On Oct 21, 2013
Assalamu alaikum w.w

Actually I studied more on Hijab that the other two(beard/trouser) issues. Some wll wonder y?

Ignoring the hijab can lead to more evil here on earth and lead to deviation from Allah's rahama here-after i.e through ZINA and it's associate.Some scholars asserts that zina is the second greatest sin after shirk.

Regarding the beard it is a sunnah.In a hadith d Prophet p.b.u.h said "Be different from the polytheists(mushrikeen): let the beard grow and trim the mustache"...Reported by Bukhari on the authority of Ibn Umar may Allah be pleased with them. Some scholars said shaving the beard is 'makruh'

PLs a sister or a brother shld write mo on:

1.Shaving the Beard

2.Trousers + questiones Abubakar asked the Prophet p.b.u.h about dragging izar as they called it in arabic.

****HIJAB

It is a commandment from Allah s.w.t to the believng women check Q33:33, Q33:59, Q17:32 and Q24:31.

In Q17:32 Allah s.w.t says "...do not come near ZINA,it is indeed an abormination and an evil way.."

Not dressing according to Islamic Law can lead to zina due to high electrodynamic forces of attraction btw the unlike charges....

More are coming on Hijab

Jazakumullahu khaira
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 9:00pm On Oct 21, 2013
Assalamu alaikum w.w

Actually I studied more on Hijab that the other two(beard/trouser) issues. Some wll wonder y?

Ignoring the hijab can lead to more evil here on earth and lead to deviation from Allah's rahama here-after i.e through ZINA and it's associate.Some scholars asserts that zina is the second greatest sin after shirk.

Regarding the beard it is a sunnah.In a hadith d Prophet p.b.u.h said "Be different from the polytheists(mushrikeen): let the beard grow and trim the mustache"...Reported by Bukhari on the authority of Ibn Umar may Allah be pleased with them. Some scholars said shaving the beard is 'makruh'

PLs a sister or a brother shld write mo on:

1.Shaving the Beard

2.Trousers + questiones Abubakar asked the Prophet p.b.u.h about dragging izar as they called it in arabic.

****HIJAB

It is a commandment from Allah s.w.t to the believng women check Q33:33, Q33:59, Q17:32 and Q24:31.

In Q17:32 Allah s.w.t says "...do not come near ZINA,it is indeed an abormination and an evil way.."

Not dressing according to Islamic Law can lead to zina due to high electrodynamic forces of attraction btw the unlike charges....

More are coming on Hijab

Jazakumullahu khaira
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 3:54pm On Oct 21, 2013
Sissie: Salam, I will answer your questions with questions

1. Why do many graduate men don't keep the beards, or wear trouser that longer than the ankle?

wsalam.9ja 4mula of answering questions b d@.

Does keeping beards/wearing trouser longer than the ankle fall in the same category with 'hijab'?

2.most men don't want to marry divorces or widows that have been married previously for like 2, 3 times as a first wife?

For me,I can marry any women(previously married or not) so far she has the qualities I need and she's not prohibited for me to marry Islamically.


3.you prefer women that haven't been previously married. And why do most do men in polygamy do injustice,and how many men can comfortable take care of more than one?
Ofcourse,I prefer haven't marry previously.For those doing injustice the shall account for it.In Q4:3 Allah s.w.t says..."...marry women of your choice,two,three or four,If can not deal justly with them marry one or what your right hand possess..." rough trans.

There are many that can comfortably take care of four wives IF they have the means.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 4:32pm On Oct 20, 2013
ummsulaym: hehehehe, ya akhee, I think say u don forget the questions ooo.... I wan commot, when i reuturn In Shaa Allah, I will modify this to the reply...
Nop.I no 4gt ooo.I thought ur attention is @ d sister's-circle.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 4:05pm On Oct 20, 2013
**Questions

Esji80: 1.Why is that MANY Sisters that have gone to School e.g graduates do not like to be wearing 'Hijab'?

2.Most of you don't want a husband that is married i.e the one that'll take you as second,third or fourth wife,y?

3.U prefer a husband d@ won't re-marry another wife.y?
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 3:33pm On Oct 20, 2013
tbaba1234: I apologise if I said anything wrong or inappropriate.

I love you for the sake of Allah.
It's alright.
In Q49:10 Allah s.w.t says Innal muminuuna ikhawatun fa'aslihu baina akwaikum wattaqullaha la'allakum tur'hamuun.

Verily,belivers are brothers to one another,settle any dispute amicably,fear Allah so that He may bless you. ..rough trans.

In another verse He says Wal muminuuna wal muminaati ba'aduhum awli'u ba'ad, ya'muruuna bil ma'aruufi wan yan hauna anil munkari. . .

Believing men and women are lovers of one another,they command one another to do good and shun evil. . .rough trans.

May Allah s.w.t forgive,bless and guide us all ameen.

As we gather here for his sake,may He converge us in the most adorable garden Aljannatul firdaus ameen.


Jazakallahu khaira
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 2:22pm On Oct 20, 2013
babylolaroy: you both are muslims so just stop this argurment...it is not okay to do so. agree to disagree nd lets move to something else
thanx
Alright.

**Questions to Sisters

1.Why is that MANY Sisters that have gone to School e.g graduates do not like to be wearing 'Hijab'?

2.Most of you don't want a husband that is married i.e the one that'll take you as second,third or fourth wife,y?

3.U prefer a husband d@ won't re-marry another wife.y?
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 2:14pm On Oct 20, 2013
babylolaroy: you both are muslims so just stop this argurment...it is not okay to do so. agree to disagree nd lets move to something else
thanx
Alright.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 11:24pm On Oct 19, 2013
Sissie: I don't understand the argument.

One translation is

Desiring chastity not lust.

Another one is

Desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse

So what's the argument?
Jazakillahu khair.

Allah s.w.t is telling us the reason why men should seek for women in marriage is to SEEK THEM IN ORDER TO DESIRE CHASTITY,NOT COMMIT ILLEGAL SEX.


Tbaba's translation is

muhseenina ghayra musafiheena

bringing them into your fort not to satisty your lust.

According to his translation we are cautioned not to marry because of lust. Which I argue is not the meaning of 'muhsineena ghayra musafiheena'.That he shld pls translate /comment on the whole verse for us.

He is now saying I should download an arabic dictionary and stop wasting his time.

Translating a verse from an arabic dictionary via each word CANNOT give us the exact meaning of the verse.

Can someone just start doing tafsir because he is a holder of Phd in arabic?

The companions were arabs but the Prophet p.b.u.h had to interpret the meaning of the whole Qur'anic verses to them.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 11:23pm On Oct 19, 2013
Sissie: I don't understand the argument.

One translation is

Desiring chastity not lust.

Another one is

Desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse

So what's the argument?
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 6:03pm On Oct 19, 2013
Alright.I am not here to challenge you.

But I want us to get the exact translation and commentary of the whole verse Q4:24.

That's when we'll knw the exact meaning of 'muhsineena ghayra musafiheena'.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 5:36pm On Oct 19, 2013
Qhan: Sallam Alykum Bro n Sis.

Am a regular user of NL, and also a regular guest of the Islam for Muslims forum. I have only summoned courage to post this, the reason for a New User Account.

I need opinions on How Best to approach a Muslimah for a serious relationship (With the intention of Marriage in the Next few months, say 12mnths on the high side ) under the following circumstances:

1. Not familiar with any Muslimah or have any in mind
2. A very shy and Timid person when it comes to female matters
3. Just one history of friendship with a Muslimah with hope of marriage, but hope dashed cos of Genotype issue
4. Most Muslimah are always hostile to men they tag as Strangers (and some could even insult or embarrass )


Also is it polite to Post relationship request on Forums or Groups on Facebook?
You must have some qualities of a Sister u'll like to marry.If you see any with some of the qualities u can approach her through your family;Sisters,Aunty,Mummy etc since you are shy.

The Prophet p.b.u.h encouraged us to marry a lady for her
1.Piety 2.Beauty 3.Family Status (lineage) 4.Wealth
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 5:24pm On Oct 19, 2013
^Pls visit this

http://www.englishtafsir.com/quran/4/index.html

for the tafsir of the verse Q4:24

Or pls help me explain the meaning of the whole verse since u've studied it very well.

Jazakallahu khair
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 11:13am On Oct 19, 2013
Sissie: If a man can provide for a woman and decides to marry with the main reason of satisfying his urges legally their is nothing wrong in that as far as he knows and does his duties to her.

However a man can't just decide to get married to satisfy his urge when he can't support a wife, in this situation he should fast to control his urges.
You are very right sis.

The argument here is about the verse Q4:24.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 8:27am On Oct 19, 2013
tbaba1234: ^ Wa iyyakum,

Nothing i have said goes against the understanding of the Sahaba. Please provide the evidence that states otherwise. Get married as soon as you can provide support and protection to a home not because of your urges or desires.

A person should get married as soon as he can support a home. If you can't, then fast to help with whatever urges you have. That is the advice from the messenger (peace and blessings be upon him).

0 young men, those among you who can support a wife should marry, for it restrains eyes from casting (evil glances). and preserves one from immorality; but those who cannot should devote themselves to fasting for it is a means of controlling intimate desire. Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3231

Help yourself to any classical arabic dictionary. Remember that is the language of the Quran. Lane's lexicon is available online.

I have a video reference that i can't upload here (too big).
Despite the fact that arabic is the language of the Qur'an, we can't get the exact meaning of every verse using dictionary.

Take for instance the word 'khair' appears in many verses in the Qur'an meaning different things.Which include; 1.money 2.force 3.good deeds 4.ganimah(wealth gotten after a war) etc.

So reading the meaning of each word from the dictionary CANNOT give you the meaning of every verse neither knowing the meaning of the whole arabic vocabs can.
But the interpretation of the Prophet p.b.u.h,his companions and the pious predecessors.

Pls can u give us the whole commentary of the verses Q4:24-25? Even if it is a link that gives the same transalation/interpretation of 'muhsineena gayrah musafiheena' as u give here.

I agree with you regarding having means or supporting a wife.

But I've searched many commentaries/translations online and offline,so far i've not come across any that gives the verse that meaning.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 12:36am On Oct 19, 2013
tbaba1234: What is there to interpret? It is clear.

A person can have the means to support a woman but refuse to get married. Living a chaste life is certainly one of the purposes of marriage but you can not separate the hadiths. They have to be understood together.

Besides Allah makes it clear in the Quran:

....muhsineena ghayra musafiheena ...

Muhsineena-

Root: To be guarded, be inaccessible, be strongly fortified, be preserved, be protected--

This is how Allah describes a man getting married.

ghayra- not

root - except, without, etc....

Musafiheena-

Musafi is a player... One who just wants to get his lust out.

Allah says be the one who brings women into security and protection not the one who just wants to get his lust out.
Jazakallahu khair.

You know we can only translate Qur'anic verses based on the interpretations or explanations given by the Prophet p.b.u.h or the sahabas r.a.a.

The companions r.a.a were arabs and the Qur'an is in arabic but the Prophet p.b.u.h had to interprete their meanings to them.

Pls can you give me any reference where they translated/commented on the verse the way your present it here?

1s mo.Jazakallahu khaira
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 11:42pm On Oct 18, 2013
^Pls help me interpret these:

The Prophet p.b.u.h said "there are three who have a right to the help of Allah:

1.the one who marries out of the desire to live a chaste life

2.the slave whose master has agreed to his buying his freedom when he wishes to pay the sum

3.the one who fights in the cause of Allah"

Reported by Ahmad,Al-Nisai,Tirmidhi,Ibn Majah and al-Hakim.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 11:24pm On Oct 18, 2013
This is what Allah s.w.t says in Q4:24:

And [also prohibited to you are all]married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the
decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these,[provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property,DESIRING CHASTITY,NOT UNLAWFUL SEXUAL INTERCOURSE(Muhsineena gahra musafihina). So for
whatever you enjoy [of marriage]
from them, give them their due
compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Pls re-visit the translation/commentary of the verse.

I agree with that you must be able to support a wife before you can talk of getting married.As you qouted above the Prophet p.b.u.h said those that can 'support a wife' or those that have the 'means of getting married' shld marry.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 3:21am On Oct 18, 2013
babylolaroy: jazak Allah khair. Thanx broda. so i can pick it from dia and contribute mashaAllah
You are welcome
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 10:21pm On Oct 17, 2013
babylolaroy: salam alaykum warahmatullah. i see all of una. this's got to be a very interesting thread. the topic is catchy buh as you see, i just started following so i dont know wats on ground. please dont ask me to go way up to read, let a good brother or sister fisabilillah just tell me wats for discussion and i'll pik it from dia.

eshe
Ameen.w.w.w.U r welcome sister.Though I also joined the thread abt 2 months ago...since then,d following were discussed:

1.Qualities of d husband/wife you want to marry.

2.If you meet a brother/sister with such qualities will you approach him/her for marriage.

3.Why do sisters don't approach brothers that've the qualities they want for marriage?

4.Dating in Islam

5.Duties of Husband and wife in the house-cooking,house chore etc.

6.The husband as the head of the family.

7.Sex as a major reason of getting married.

8.Marriage compatibility issues e.g high/low level of libido.

9.Enquiry abt item 8 above.

10.Divorce in Islam

11.Marriage while schooling vs Daddies opinions-graduate before marriage.

No.s 7-11 are the most recent areas of discussion.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 8:30pm On Oct 17, 2013
Sissie: Theirs no right and wrong, you don't go saying someone father is wrong, because you share a different perspective. it's not like he's delaying for no reason, a man who don't have means to get married also delays gettings married. There's a reason.

I don't know what your going on about with the 3rd party thing. I said in my own house, my own dad no 3rd party that will change his mind, so if professors like let them suggest more than 3 methods.

Besides what is with the hmmmm graduate? I said I am not in her shoes, am not an undergraduate trying to convince my dad, when you suggested I involve a third party, was just telling umm sulaym what my sis went through.
Am sorry if my words are harsh.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m):
^Pls help me interpret these:

The Prophet p.b.u.h said "there are three who have a right to the help of Allah:

1.the one who marries out of the desire to live a chaste life

2.the slave whose master has agreed to his buying his freedom when he wishes to pay the sum

3.the one who fights in the cause of Allah"

Reported by Ahmad,Al-Nisai,Tirmidhi,Ibn Majah and al-Hakim.
Islam › Re: Muslim Singles, Let Us Have A Talk by Esji80(m): 2:46pm On Oct 17, 2013
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maclatunji: To be honest, I think he makes sense. Sex is important but it is not food or water, you won't die if you wait a few years jor.
hmmn die of sex hunger...LOls

But nobody knows when he/she will die.

Lan yu ahirallahu nafsan idhaa ja'a ajaluha,wallahu khabirun bima ta'amaluun.

Allah will not delay a soul even for a second when it's time to leave this world is due.He is all aware of all you do.

Those that are married will have ranks even in the here-after.

The Prophet p.b.u.h called it(marriage) 'half of the deen'.That "if your married you've completed halve of your deen strive to complete the other halve"

@ Sissie,I believe there must be some people your dad listens to.If thre exist such people, they can serve as the third party.

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