₦airaland Forum

Muzikluva:
mr, I am not saying it's not for identification... Try doing a transaction with one of the banks using their mobile banking codes and see it doesnt ask for your pin or the last four digits of your bvn.. I have done it before so, I know what I am saying.

Those codes and transactions is for airtime transaction not money transfer. And the airtime will be loaded to that sim and not any other. No money transfer can be done completely without pin or password. You can confirm from yourr bank dear. Even if the last digits of BVN code is used there must be point your password or pin is required. They regulatory body in charge of approving mobile transaction app cannot approve any such app that uses only BVN to authorise transaction because they know BVN do not have such security. Anybody can access your BVN using your phone by typing the short for verifying BVN

DavidEsq:
Edakun, why are u talking plenty nau? Just gimme the tin na

There is no way you can get kobo from anybody's account with BVN so what is the essence of the test when I am 100 per sure it is not possible. You can only confuse ignorant ones. Come to think of it, you think that if BVN can be used in withdrawal there will common code to check BVN on phone.

Muzikluva:
It can be used... The last four digits can be used to authenticate a mobile transfer. But, it can also be traced by the bank too tho as you said

BVN cannot be used for any transfer. Go and confirm that from the bank. Last digit of BVN is not used for autorization of any form of money transaction unless you personally used it as your password or pin which was is strictly your own risk. Let us not mis guide people. BVN is for identification.

Blogtrovert:
if you use GTB, dial *737*5000# Then give me feedback.

That is loading airtime to your line and not for transferring money. Every bank has such code. Even MTN has theirs too. You cannot use it to clear someone's account. You can load airtime in the line not even another line. Even if you want to transfer the airtime to another sim it will ask you for airtime transfer password of the miss sim which the thief do not have.

DavidEsq:
Oya gimme na. Les see weda u no go cry. Na den u go know say Edo boys na Einstein.

It is not possible. You cannot get any money from his Account with his BVN. Pls go to your banks they will guide on securities you need for you Account. BVN is just like ID card for bank Account number and cannot be use for any money transaction.

bahgo2001:
Wonderful points, I want to believe the Banks are to be blamed for this, and she can actually sue them.
The only mode the fraudsters could get access to the account is through the Bank's Short Code banking services that has been pre activated on the registered phone number with the bank. The only way to stop this trend is for the bank to stop pre activation of Registered Phone numbers for banking services.

There is no way one can get access to bank account without pin, password or any security details makes available by the owner of the Account unless the fraud was by her bank staff. Is either the story is make up or her pin or password was compromised by way of saving it in her phone. Activation of number to Account number has maximum security that no fraud can succeed if the owner does not compromise pin or password.

DavidEsq:
I'm doing dat. Iv done that and it still says green, not red as u allege

That shows you did not do anything because it is as simple as ABCD. BVN is not use for any money transfer. There absolutely no way her money was cleared via BVN. Never. it is as clear as black and white. It is either the story is a make up or her pin was compromised by saving it in the phone.

Goodnuel:
It's true, if the number is attached to the account, its a one way thing, no pin required... First bank dial *894*5000#..your money go just land once.

That is loading airtime for calls or data which cannot be transferred otherwise it will request data sharing password of the line. Every bank has such code. Even MTN has theirs too. It poses no risk as it is sim the airtime will be loaded. it cannot be used clear account. Not to talk of use BVN to clear account.

Muzikluva:
Sue mtn for negligence of duty and let the court know what it caused you... Financially and emotionally. You will get your money back and even more

BVN cannot be used for money transfer or withdrawal. There is no case here. If her money was actually cleared she should liaise with her bank for investigation on how the money was moved. Never through BVN as it is not used for authorisation money transaction.

DavidEsq:
Ask properly bro. Ask again. Then ask again. Keep asking. Ok?

I do not need to ask, I am simply saying there is no case there. BVN cannot be used to transfer or withdraw money. MTM has no case about her money cleared from her account and no Lawyer can take such case after studying it and verifying uses of BVN. It is between her and her bank if she is sure she did not compromise her password or pin. Her bank will review the avenue through which the money was transferred. If it is customer induced then her pin was comprised. If it is bank induced then bank is liable. Nothing concern MTN with bank account cleared. You can verify that.

ttomexy:
My people,it is possible oo,they cleared my 70 year old mum account with access bank last Friday,Nigeria is becoming something else,they bought recharge card with it and I also discover that the bank was sending a one time password for the transaction, God help us o

pls liaise the bank to know what exactly happened. it is never through BVN. There is a compromise somewhere which needs to be discovered to avoid occurrence.

DavidEsq:
A bank issues the BVN code to a customer. It is therefore wrong to have a general code to check up one's BVN. Any phone thief cld as well type that code in a stolen phone/sim card and out comes the BVN: invoked by a fake priest. Besides, MTN is very much liable here. All she needs is to get a court order quietly, seeking the records of her call to the customer agent, without telling MTN sh1t. Then she proceed to court to seek the exact amount as special damages from mtn and then more a general damage. It's simple: if the line had been blocked, the BVN code wldnt have been accessed. Ah swear mtn go chop kpomo my hand, for this kain ish

I am wondering the kind of Lawyer that will take such no case. I bet you the case is dead on arrival because BVN cannot be used to withdraw money or transfer money from Account. BVN is just identification code that unite individual's accounts in all banks. It is not used for authorisation of any form of transaction whether transfer or withdrawal.

JerryQ:
Thanks, at least you have validated what I have been telling them. They even went ahead calling me a liar over what i do like every other day. Anyway, I will still repeat it. Password your SIM now.

Loading airtime to your sim from your account is totally different thing from loading or clearing ones account with BVN or sim . The airtime you loaded can only be used in that sim. Not only banks has such code, MTN has such too. It poses no risk as you cannot transfer the airtime loaded to another sim otherwise your network requests data sharing password.

Francisayo:
U can load ur sim from bank directly without pin.....Access bank is direct without pin

Loading airtime to your sim is totally difference. Every bank has it. Even MTN has its code too. Airtime loaded can only be used in that your sim for calls or data.The data cannot even be shared because it requires data sharing password of sim owner
So how could that have been used to clear someone's savings?

JerryQ:
Most time they load your SIM with credit from your account by dialing the simple bank code. Then sell off the credit via transfers. #lockyoursimnow

Not possible. You cannot load sim with credit from account without pin or transaction password. Pls confirm that from your bank. Before such happen your pin must have been compromised.

JerryQ:
Nope. For my bank and most banks provided the SIM is attached to that account, it's straight forward. No pin required

Then your bank is compromising financial security policy. If a bank has mobile app that can be used to transfer money without login and transaction password CBN will penalize that bank and shot it down if care is not taken. However the story is hard to believe. BVN cannot be used for any kind of transaction other than identify your accounts any bank. It cannot be used for any kind of withdrawal or transfer. Before any bank introduces mobile or any money transfer app it passes through some review and approval from regulatory body to ensure maximum security. You can confirm that from your bank product and IT team.

Factfinder1:
All of this can not been seen in the life of a typical Nigerian with the way our work system is down here....you go to work and your superior sends and commands you like a slave they shout at you even in the presence of clients they humiliate you and always wants you to sleep with them for promotion and salary increase

I totally disagree with you. You cannot use your experience or that few you know to generalize. I work in a corporate organization and under male bosses. I have never had any frustrating experience from them or any of them demand sleeping with them nor any of my colleagues ever have such both males and females. Rather they are like big uncles.I think how we carry and present ourselves matter a lot most times. Be committed and always strive to add value to the organization.

mrvitalis:
That's the rule of the church every 3 years or so a bishop names 3 people he thinks should take over from him incase he dies

When he dies all the list is brought and a bishop is chosen from there

Sorry I totally disagree with you, bishop can make suggestion not listing who will succeed him. Not in Catholic church. There are a lot of dioceses that are headed by non indigenous bishops. In fact only few dioceses have their indigenous priest heading the dioceses. However, if purpose christianity is purely knowing and serving God, does it really matter who is there or where he is from? It all shows that we do not yet know what is serving God in spirit and true mean. Do have a blessed sunday.

mrvitalis:
I'm very pleased with my people for making sure bishop chikwere was not disgraced

I told people once the Pope knows the real story this matter would be resolved

We're are the people that said mbaise didn't agree on a bishop

All we said was chose from the list our last bishop dropped before he died like it is done everywhere

You can never impose leadership on an mbaise man that's a fact.... Call us all the bad names because you were feed with half story

My people stood for the truth and I'm proud (tho I'm not religious)

You mean he listed his successor before he died? If this is true and reason for the crises then the church is in trouble. Why will he choose his successor? Is church now private property? God help us.

sako28:
The priest did not walk from his country or house to this remote village to spread the gospel, he must have used a commercial flight to the nearest airport and hire a car to the village. Is not stone that will pay those bills, is money. Money from where? You can answer that the best way you know. The People (Church) that send the priest will always send him some money for his upkeep and the priest will surely put on ground the very needed basic amenities like good water and if possible a small clinic. He needs money for this. Money from where? You can answer that the best way you know. Dangote don’t pay tithes but I can take you to a mosque he built for us. Is that not giving back to God? Uba too is building a church for his town people.
If you don’t believe or support offering and tithing, please stop. And use your money to help people in need directly. Go yourself to elderly homes, orphanage houses and help. A and if you have big pocket go to your village or Local government know their need and help. Do it as per pocket level and your size.

yes the priest did not walk to the place. His congregation and other Catholic communities are the sponsors. The church always prepared for such.Even the priest feeds some of them. The motive is to bring them to God never to get anything from them. They are provided with some of their basic needs. They are in abject poverty. I am not interested in tithe argument, my point is this, there are thousands of such communities all over the world but you cannot see any other churches there to at least introduce them to God. It is only Anglican church I see in one of such places. Is there location selective in spreading gospel? I am not interested in which church is good or not but that we all should strive to serve God in spirit and truth because the God we serve sees our heart and cannot be deceived.

[quote author=sako28 post=65352833]The priest did not walk from his country or house to this remote village to spread the gospel, he must have used a commercial flight to the nearest airport and hire a car to the village. Is not stone that will pay those bills, is money. Money from where? You can answer that the best way you know. The People (Church) that send the priest will always send him some money for his upkeep and the priest will surely put on ground the very needed basic amenities like good water and if possible a small clinic. He needs money for this. Money from where? You can answer that the best way you know. Dangote don’t pay tithes but I can take you to a mosque he built for us. Is that not giving back to God? Uba too is building a church for his town people.
If you don’t believe or support offering and tithing, please stop. And use your money to help people in need directly. Go yourself to elderly homes, orphanage houses and help. A and if you have big pocket go to your village or Local government know their need and help. Do it as per pocket level and your size.




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yes the priest did not walk to the place. His congregation and other Catholic communities are the sponsors. The church always prepared for such.Even the priest feeds some of them. The motive is to bring them to God never to get anything from them. They are provided with some of their basic needs. They are in abject poverty. I am not interested in tithe argument, my point is this, there are thousands of such communities all over the world but you cannot see any other churches there to at least introduce them to God. It is only Anglican church I see in one of such places. Is there location selective in spreading gospel? I am not interested in which church is good or not but that we all should strive to serve God in spirit and truth because the God we serve sees our heart and cannot be deceived.

muykem:
Is any church in the world that started in big auditorium with plenty members? This one even have people to preach to. Oyedepo started his own church with poor 6 members. I have been following some unguided statement concerning men of God. The word of God said, have you see a man diligent in his work he will seat among the kings and not with mean men. Do you people think pastors are excepted from seated with kings.

I think you are missing the point.
Catholic church did not start today. It is the oldest church in the world. they send missionaries to remote areas all over world. Fishing out areas like this. Most of those areas the priest even feed them. Beg them to come to church just to know God. There are a lot of priests in church on this mission. Their congregation rotate them. those areas there is no hope getting rich member. It is church that is feeding most of them. the congregation and other Catholic communities send donations to assist the priest take care of them.

profcanada:
Yes A virgin can have fibroid. I was told of a case where a virgin womb was removed because of toilet diseases

Please stop. First fibroid is never a disease. You cannot contact it anywhere. Any woman of reproductive age can have it especially older women whether virgin or not. However, @ womb removed because of toilet disease I am struggling to understand it. I guess the person didn't tell you the truth.