Faithful007:


Usually when replying to these kind of things, I nitpick and disprove everything the person has said.

However it's not even necessary here. Unless you can tall me the Palestinian that presided over the 'Government of Palestine'

Ok for instance if I asked you who was the president of Türkiye in the 1923, I’m very sure you don’t know that offhead, unless you had to check it on google.
But that doesn’t mean Türkiye did not exist in the 1920s.

There might not be any record of the Palestinian heads of state in the 1930s and 1940s but there is evidence of Palestine’s existence as far back as then. In fact I have a video evidence of H!tler mentioning a list of countries President Roosevelt warned him not to invade. Palestine was mentioned not Israel. YouTube erased the vid from their platform when the comments was showing solidarity with the Palestinians. Luckily I screen recorded it before it was erased because I had my suspicions it would be erased. If you want it, give me one of your social handles, I will send it. But there is a link I have that can help out, unfortunately the comments were turned off.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtDxjVCu56E?si=QheeBCRIbMXQUpot

Meanwhile you still haven’t answered my question on how Palestine not talking about African conflicts makes it to be the wrong side based on the Palestine-Israeli issue. And about what Palestine propaganda wants, can you also explain that

Faithful007:


You're free stand for whatever you believe in, and I also by no means support murder of innocents. However, please base your statements an actual knowledge and not these delusions. This is the same problem I do have with Blacks in the US, who feels Africans are stupid for having divergent opinions.

1. Nobody wants 'A free Palestine, with equal rights for all, from the river to the sea!'. Hamas does not want it, Palestine doesn't. Israel doesn't either. In fact, making this statement means you have no knowledge of the level of bloodshed and insurgencies that happened between Jews and Arabs when there were 'equal rights' during the Ottoman empire, World war 1, then 2 to the end of British Palestine. If you think it all started in 1948, then you're already brainwashed. At some point Jews even fought the British for Independence and Britian prevented Jews from moving to Israel and jailed thousands for doing so, just to please Arab nationalists, indirectly contributing to the holocaust. Even with both Jews and Arabs under colonial rule, there was already enough bloodshed. Then the Jerusalem Blockade by Palestinian Arabs, after the UN vote for an international Jerusalem even though Jews had dominated Jerusalem since the 17th century.

2. Most Palestinians see the conflict as religious. This is being obscured for two main reasons. First, most far-left groups evolved from racial injustice and have little knowledge and experience with tribal/religiously charged conflicts. This is the same reason they do not talk on conflicts in Africa, except a foreign power is involved. Even if a foreign power isn't involved, they try to indict one with 'evidence'. The left-wing political ideology works from a racial template and falls apart when that racial context is removed. Second reason is that pro-Palestinian propaganda likes it that way, cause it puts Israel as the enemy.

Enough with the bl00dy bull$hit bro. Stop letting yourself be a victim of mainstream media brainwashing.
The only ones who don’t want a free Palestine is the Israeli government and the American government.
The only ones who take the Israeli-Palestine issue as a religious conflict is the Israeli government, I will post a link of Netanyahu quoting the bible and referring to the Palestinians as the ”Amalekites” and that they should be destroyed according to the bible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMVs7akyMh0?si=xTisamQ8Ol2HjAR5

The whole Palestinian-Israeli issue began in 1948. No European country was willing to accommodate the Israelis, the Palestinians did so. There is evidence of this as far back as 1933. And what did they get in return, the Israeli Zionists claiming ownership of Palestine because they believe “God promised them the land”. Meanwhile according to Judaism, they are forbidden to have a nation of themselves. No wonder the people of Dagestan chased them away when a flight from Tel Aviv landed in their airport.
“The Palestinians do not talk about conflict in Africa” Pls explain how this statement points the Palestinians as the wrong side based on the Israeli-Palestinian issue..??
And explain more on what you said about Palestinian propaganda

If you say you don’t want to have sense, me I will educate you by force.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FG9CB-cPIE?si=CN2am5M02Rh6qNEC

Lawag3:


I don't want to derail this wonderful thread

But everything you said is a load of nonsense.

Pls elaborate why all I said is nonsense

Lurker4Long:
I weep for our continent!

Sweden, USA and UK are heavily dependent on migrants. I believe if those migrants were to return where they came from, our continent won’t lag behind in terms of innovation. But then there arises the question, will they be provided the opportunity to be innovative in their home country…??

We are still dealing with the atrocities of the state of Israel and the IDF since 1948, we haven’t even looked upon its war crimes presently. Indiscriminate carpet bombing of Gaza. Illegal infiltration of hospitals, and health care centres, targeting of men, women, children, press men and even UN officials. Destruction of residential buildings and civi Infrastructure, Withholding humanitarian aid meant for Palestinians. Illegally arresting Palestinians after every hostage exchange (more like kidnapping and taking hostages to replace the ones released from custody). Restrictions of movement of Palestinians in West Bank, killing of civilians on October 7(Yes there is evidence of that) and so on and so forth just to mention a few. And then yet people still say Hamas is an Islamist Jihadist for resisting occupation and oppression when this has nothing to do with religion. I swear it’s as if they’ve been brainwashed beyond redemption

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Very good, then by all means they should face the food they cooked and stop disturbing every other person with genocide this and opression that...!!

Nemesis4you:


dont have any doubt on that

and dont waste your time on me

its like u who has never seen water bigger than a puddle teaching me what a ocean is

you are free to have ur opinion and i to mine

Amnesty International UNHCR are wh@res of US and whoever bids the highest , Q.ataris are generous

America is sugar daddy to isra.el and majority of jihadi orgs in the world the irony

For nth time i don't give a fuk about Isra.. or palest.. but I do give a fuk about terrorist orgs winning and going on to create havoc in other countries in the future which they will definitely do, for them it's a religious war rest is only convinent excuse

If palis... get statehood good for them but not on the support of terrorist orgs which will legitimize jihadis around the world

Terrorist organizations causing havoc in my country should be the least of your problems. We have security agencies responsible for dealing with such. And you saying it’s a religious war just tells me how ignorant you are.

Nemesis4you:
just a though in passing or rather a problem for anyone those who support terrorists in other countries for whatever reasons

if one were to be neutral or as a sympathiser of ha.mas and their fight, how is Al-Shabaab, AQIM etc any different from what ham.as is and has being doing ?

using recent precedence of ham.as actions and the logic put forth by their supporters one can legitimately argue that Al-Shabaab, AQIM etc is fighting for their ancestral
lands and rights from their occupying oppressors right ?

what's different ? nothing except that the country/countries on the receiving end is different

but what's good for the goose is good for the gander right ?

then again in future what if countries and people across the world come out in support for Al-Shabaab, AQIM as their did for ham.as for freedom and ancestral rights etc etc, things would be pretty interesting then isn't it ?

You dare say Hamas is a terrorist group, but you don’t point out what led them to be addressed as such.
For the past 75 years and till date, the Palestinians have been enduring, terrorism, displacement, humiliation and oppression from the state of Israel “on their own land”. Amnesty International has been calling the state of Israel out, UNHCR has condemned the state of Israel for its atrocities but as usual, sugar daddy America is always there to protect and serve.
Al-Shabab an AQIM are radicals, it’s very clear as they target everyone and everything indiscriminately but Hamas is a political party that was elected by Palestinians in Gaza to oversee their affairs, which does not exclude defence and resistance to occupation and oppression
Let me also point out that the same way Hamas is being accused of terrorism for its resistance is the same way Nelson Mandela was accused of terrorism for his resistance.
Last time I checked, terrorists don’t keep their hostages safe and return them in good conditions despite the daily bombardment coming from a well equipped defence force(more like terrorist force).

Lurker4Long:

It's an honest mistake. There was an unusually long time from the pre-production model (2nd prototype) to the production model (3rd prototype). Contractual disputes between the AHRLAC Company and Paramount; Paramount and Boeing (resulting in the cancellation of that marketing agreement) etc.
What seems to have turned things around is when the aircraft made it to the last 5 shortlist of US SOCOM's "Armed Overwatch" competition.

I preferred the Nigerian airforce purchased this instead of the Tucanos

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tsdarkside:


what do they want in africa....

They were part of the MINUSMA peacekeeping mission in Mali but apparently they were useless so, Mali is kicking them out

GeneralFarouq:

Wowu... Don't want to be left out of the big boys show.
Lol.. at this point I must ask, why do thwh always do army style camo.. and WTH are they camouflaging from...... Kai this Mindset is hilarious.

I swear it’s becoming nonsensically hilarious . Like what is the essence of the camouflage dress. What are they trying to hide from, flames…??

kabe1:
Nigerian Air Force eliminates terrorists in a boat and on land.

Beautiful.

Bacteria8:


So men in south africa have boobs ?? 😅

No wonder!

Comrade reduce your voice

MiddleDimension:


What are the weapons you still manufacture in SA? What recebt acquisitions have you made? what are the focus of your military? It doesn't look like there is an urgent need for a beefing up of your military since your neighbourhood is far more peaceful than Nigeria's.

Their neighbourhood being peaceful doesn’t mean they can’t carry out military exercises. A military force has to be always prepared regardless of the current state of the nation it serves. Speaking of acquisitions, their military budget is not really much enough to make the acquisitions they want but nevertheless they are also on it. Couple of months ago, South African navy received its second multi mission inshore patrol vessel, the third is going to be commissioned in 2024 and there is an option to build a fourth. Their project hotel for a new hydrographic survey vessel is on track, most likely to be launched in 2024 too.
The SAAF are waiting to test the Milkor 380 UCAV before acquiring it. They are also currently on a hunt for new logistics transport aircrafts and I think they signed a deal with SAAB to refurbish their Gripen jets
The South African army already has the Badger IFV in active service. The Rooikats and Ratels will also be upgraded.

Otisker:
Omo in all my years on nairaland I no know say this kind beautiful thread de for here. See people with military knowledge everywhere.

I, too is a lover of military I even joined NDA but sadly I fled from training. The level of discipline and other rough punishments was too much for me. Not that I am not fit enough but I am too free spirited, I hate too much discipline, someone commanding and punishing me all the time.


But I regret my actions now, I should have just endured. My stupid nature cost me that opportunity. I might apply again.

Welcome to our online battlefield where we dish out vawulence in lion share quantity On this thread, you will discuss with an Algerian, debate with Kenyans, argue with your fellow Naija guys, and of course butt heads with South Africans but all in all, we learn from each other

Nemesis4you:
https://twitter.com/HilzFuld/status/1726197487864529397

Wow, what an analysis by a former American troop.
But, but I thought IDF are the one of the most technically advanced militaries , how difficult is it to fish out Hamas from their tunnels…?? The only fighting force I’ve seen perpetrating civilian casualties since October 7 is the IDF. Bombing hospitals, refugee camps, UN schools and warehouses for aid, members of the press and Palestinians evacuating to the south.
Just recently reports came out of Israel that most of the dead victims of the music festival on October 7 was the responsibility of IDF Apache attack helicopters. We didn’t see American government slamming sanctions or putting restrictions on the IDF, but when Nigeria wants to buy AH-1z helicopters, BOOM!!! The hypocrites wants to put restrictions on when, where and how it is used due to concerns of collateral damage.

If truly their objectives were to go after Hamas, aren’t they supposed to restrict the fighting to the North of Gaza and avoid collateral damage as best as they can…??
Even when the Nigerian military was fighting Boko Haram at its peak, that did not warrant them to carpet bombing all of Maidugiri or Borno state. The fight was restricted to the sambisa forest, and the military had to move in to fish them out.
Ever since IDF stormed Al-Shifa hospital, we are still waiting for evidence of the Hamas command centre under the hospital. The best propaganda they could give us is referring to an Arabic calendar as a list of terrorists on day and night shift, lol. Not to mention evidence for the 40 beheaded babies, or the human shields or rape victims

willybaby:
welcome back. These are delivery times, what are your opinions on military hardware recently launched and delivered in respect to the Nigerian armed forces.

Slow but steadily, the Nigerian armed forces are getting there. Procurement has been on track. The airforce has been receiving different platforms ranging from attack helos(T-129 Atak), to reconnaissance planes(Diamond DA-62 and Beechcraft King 360) The M346 FA jets are expected to be delivered by 2024. The airforce has ordered for 6 locally made Tsaigumi UAVs. Hopefully the airforce also gives significant attention to 4+ generation combat aircraft and logistics transport aircraft(planes and helos). As for the 12 AH-1z vipers for nearly a billion dollars. I still don’t like that deal. It’s an absolute scam in short.

The navy just recently had one of its Dearsan opv 76 launched, the second will likely be launched by 2024. The Tuzla class patrol boat has also been launched. AW-109 helicopters delivered successfully. No update yet on the locally built seaward defence boat 4 and 5, but I predict one if not both of them will be commissioned by 2025.
The navy is also expecting 3x 46metres vessels from Poly technologies of China. Good enough that the security of the EEZ will be covered, but then we can’t continue to rely on vessels without missiles. Times are changing, geo-politics is becoming more brutal and unpredictable

And then there is the army, those guys are too secretive. Man can’t keep accurate count of their procurement.

Speaking of procurement, the Nigerian government signed a deal with India to help increase Nigeria’s production of local armaments to 40%. I can’t wait to see what DICON learns from DRDO

YES!!! I’m back. I wasn’t able to login cause I thought I lost my login details forever
I’ve seen enough of my guys on this thread falling for mainstream media propaganda. Where dem wey dey ask for evidence of Palestine’s existence as a nation. +1 431-788-3215 That’s my telegram number, chat me up let me send both photo and video evidence

Gentlemen and honourable veterans, guess who’s back…

I’ve missed you all. All this while I’ve being watching the discussions going on here from Israel-Palestine to South Africa’s rugby victory to Nigeria’s latest weapons acquisitions and so on and so forth. I had no clue I could login on Nairaland again, my goofy ass thought my change of phone meant I lost my login details forever.

Now where were we, what’s trending on the thread

Shaytun:
Russia’s quest to secure a buyer for its fifth-generation Su-75 Checkmate fighter jet appears to yield results, with Nigeria reportedly showing keen interest in acquiring this single-engine stealth aircraft.


https://www.eurasiantimes.com/su-75-checkmate-russia-finds-a-potential-customer-for-its/?amp

Su-75...?? NIBO!!! You go explain tire, no evidence.

Meanwhile, a funny news report on my dearest country where everything is used till Thy kingdom come...

SuperSixSeven:


Strangely they show the ship model in its current condition and do not give any details about the intended upgrade.

I don't think there will be much significant upgrade to the ship, just modernisation of it's systems to present date standards so it can serve as a proper training platform for the new incoming frigate

GreenandGold:


She could have been named after Dabulamanzi kaMpande, who led amaZulu against the British at Isandlwana.

Dabulamanzi is the perfect name, I mean "split the waters"....an opportunity forever missed right there.

Mhmm tell us more about Great Mzansi warriors, the known and unknown...

kabe1:


The F-7s are simply not reliable.

Even China has retired it's F-7 fleet and replaced them with the J-10. But naija's situation is entirely different. Everything is used till Thy kingdom come. Hopefully we don't hear of an Alpha Jet crash in another weeks time, it's high time they also got replaced and the M346 FA jets are yet to arrive.

kabe1:
We only recently just bought this aircraft. It has now crashed.

The Nigerian Air Force had lost all it's FT-7 aircrafts and only recently purchased replacements.

Now the replacement is gone.

The Airforce needs complete replacement of the F-7NI jets with JF-17s

jteku:
A Nigerian Air Force FT-7NI trainer aircraft has crashed in Makurdi

Haaaaaah, another one. The airforce needs complete replacement of the F-7Ni jets with JF-17s.

tutudesz:

What the MRAP name

That's definitely a Proforce ARA mk2

The Army's inventory is reasonable. We just need a beef up in rocket artillery, replacement of the old tanks with new modern ones and more of locally made armoured vehicles.
By the way, was any of Proforce's vehicles not on display...??

Nemesis4you:
Tapas development trials finished finally

If they have something like the Tapas and Rustom drone, can't they just wait for it to enter mass production rather than squander 3 billion dollars on 12 units of MQ-9 Reaper drones, one of which was unforgettably downed by the "fuel dump" of a Su-27.
Then in place of their indigenous drones commissioned into service they can operate any available aircraft for reconnaissance.
3 billion dollars can get them 24 Rafale aircrafts.

Bacteria8:


The ships are sitting ducks as soon as they entered our territorial waters... needless to mention docking in our stations.

However, I personally have serious problems with foreign personnels bearing arms on my land.

Don't worry just move on with your life...you can't understand.

Sitting ducks as in how ...??
Their ships are most likely stealth so no way we can detect them. Even if our falcon eye system detects them, there is nothing we can do cause they have modern sophisticated, air defense systems, anti ship/land attack missiles, torpedoes and of course,naval guns. Meanwhile the Nigerian Navy only has patrol vessels with naval guns, not even one ship with a chaff/decoy launcher .

I watched a video of India's Presidential Fleet Review 2022 and compared it to Nigeria's Presidential Fleet Review 2023. I almost felt like crying .
Sha anyhow e go be we will get there by God's Grace.

kabe1:
Chinese Navy Escort Task Group (ETG) 162 comprising MSL Destroyer NANNING, MSL Frigate SANYA, and Supply Ship WEISHANHU arrived off Lagos 2 July 2023. MSL Destroyer NANNING only berthed for a Port call from 2-6 July 2023. The outgoing Flag Officer Commanding Western Naval Command, Rear Admiral JD Akpan received the Chinese Navy Ship. This visit is geared towards strengthening the bilateral relations between Nigeria and China.
#OnwardTogether

The fourth pic, how dare that Chinese Captain look a Rear Admiral in the eye and shake him with that upright standing position and mischievous-like smile. It looks almost as if the Captain is higher than the Rear Admiral in rank .

Bacteria8:


The ships are sitting ducks as soon as they entered our territorial waters... needless to mention docking in our stations.

However, I personally have serious problems with foreign personnels bearing arms on my land.

Don't worry just move on with your life...you can't understand.

Don't be so paranoid, the Chinese are very much welcome in Nigeria. It's not as if the books of history knows them to cause trouble wherever their military sets foot.
So take a chill pill and enjoy the diplomatic moment.

Bacteria8:
Lol... The travesty came to the expected end of course

Western powers - 0

Vladimir Oluwadamilare Putin - 1

Everybody give this man a round of applause. Yoruba demons no dey ever looseguard. We're proud of our Yoruba brother from another motherland