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Janosky:
Dedication' is commitment,zeal, single-minded devotion to a cause, or purpose. eg , Commitment to zealously do God's will.
Biblical example Jesus, John 4:34.
Mark 12:29-30, Mark 8:34, Jesus says do it !
Dedication and baptism are obligatory for salvation,1 Peter 3:21.

A vow is a request for divine help or favor, hinged on certain specific conditions, biblical example Hannah.

Janosky:
**Point 6
(w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions from Readers)

Questions From Readers

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This would depend on the nature of the vow and the person’s circumstances at the time of making it. However, it is well first to consider what a “vow” is in the Bible sense.

(w73 10/1 p. 607 Questions from Readers)

In the Bible, vows were solemn promises made to God, not to any human or body of humans. They were also distinctive in that, in all cases described, the vows were always conditional. [b]That is, the person making the vow, in effect, said to God: ‘If you will do thus and so (perhaps providing salvation from some grave danger or granting success or victory in some effort), I will do thus and so.’ If God acted on the person’s behalf, the one making the vow came under obligation to carry out what he had promised. Often payment of the vow involved making a sacrificial offering of an animal, or the devoting of some property to God’s service. (Lev. 7:16; 22:21) In other cases the conditional aspect entered in because the individual vowed to refrain from doing something until such time as he had been able to attain a certain goal​—with the help of God.​—Compare Genesis 28:20-22; Numbers 21:2, 3; 30:2-4; Judges 11:30-39; 1 Samuel 1:11; Psalm 132:1-5.

It should also be noted that vows were something spontaneous, and hence unrequested, unsolicited. They were not something set forth as a general requirement for all who would enjoy a certain privilege or enter into a certain relationship. Hence, one’s becoming a disciple of Christ Jesus and fulfilling the requirements that are set for all persons, including repenting and turning around and making public declaration of one’s faith, and being baptized, do not involve a “vow” in the Scriptural sense.
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Because vows were conditional.
That is, God I will do this for you,if you help me or save me from so so & so.

1 Peter 3:21 baptism is obligatory for salvation.
Dedication and baptism goes hand in hand.
Hebrews 10:9, Matthew 3:16-17Jesus is dedicated to "doing God's will" & was baptized.
** Point 7..

Bros, I don't know the Watchtower edition you got that from..

Janosky:
JWs are not perfect, but it is wrong of you to make suggestive attribution of "hooligans" at us because we defend the points we make from your Bible.

Granted, at times emotions may run high, please forgive us, such is never a yardstick to judge us, other fellow respondents have been found wanting in their choice of words too.
We don't intend to cause pain to anyone with our choice of words.

However, JWs will say what the holy scriptures says, that will not always be palatable at all times.

Shalom.

MaxInDHouse:
A first century Jewish carpenter said something back then:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" John 14:6

No wonder the peaceful and peaceloving Jews of his time conspired against this young extremist and got rid of him!

But wahala dey o!

Do you know this young extremist foretold that his followers will be treated the same way he was treated? {Matthew 10:22-25; John 15:19} let me guess, it's like his followers will never say something like what he said but somehow they will be hated because they're just eating their bread and butter!

MaxInDHouse:
"By their FRUITS you will know them" nah! Matthew 7:16-18

Shekau and his group were killing and confirming their actions but as for the other extremists they never hurt a fly! Matthew 5:11-12

MaxInDHouse:
Surely Jesus must have been an extremist when he said:

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" John 14:6

achorladey:
You are still lost dont worry we go return you back to this thread.

When you decide to bring the in essence part of falsepropphet post back you go regain this thread at the moment. It has spiral into something else due to the lost issue.

Keep the monickermix coming. We are jamming seriously at the moment.

MaxInDHouse:
My brothers here know what i'm capable of doing so that's a case between me and my God. But you have judged and condemned yourself with your own mouth!

Out of all the religions on this planet JWs are your choice but you will not agree with those who taught them to be so good that you made them your choice!
Haba, just listen to yourself!

Splinz:
So then, what Jesus said should only be applied when facing a panel? It's conditional? Max why are you always interpreting your own Bible upside down?

MaxInDHouse:
You know Jesus, shey?
Oya present his armies nah?
I present to the whole wide world JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the one and only group working with God's active force as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!
God's Holy Spirit has helped us to catch you in your own cobweb on this thread {Job 5:13} so that you openly confessed JWs as the one and only group having God's Holy Spirit!
Go back and swallow your words because it's a lifetime testimony against you on the day of judgment!

MaxInDHouse:
LIAR!
The highlighted is your own mindset not any of JWs!
Once we are sure of a servant of God, JWs beleive that we MUST comply with whatever he says otherwise you're not disrespecting him but the one who sent him!
So it's not our way of dealing with God's servants it's either we don't accept you as God's servant or we accept and remain submissive to you completely.
That's the difference between JWs and all of you and the problem you sons of rebels have with JWs!

MaxInDHouse:
Below is a life testimony from the religion you left for Jehovah's Witnesses!



They are beholden to one man, Pastor Kumuyi
• Anything Pastor Kumuiyi says is truth and if you do not like it you must leave or start your own church

Splinz:
Here's the Jesus I know:

This Jesus of the Bible also instructed His followers not to render emotions to others based on what is rendered to them. For example, followers of Jesus don't just love those who love them but also love even their enemies. Is it respect? They respect even those who don't respect them. (Luke 6:32).

A servant is not greater than his master (John 15:20). The Jesus of the Bible was insulted, vilified and persecuted in unthinkable ways. But yet, He was like One who is "dumb, so He opened not His mouth".

Do you have "another Jesus"? (2 Corinthians 11:4). It's obvious.

MaxInDHouse:
Achorladey,
If Jesus is real to you and not some dumb lifeless slowpoke then present a group of people following his teachings today nah?
You yourself said it on this same thread that after looking all around you can't find another group that makes sense apart from JWs but due to the lifeless slowpoke you assumed Jesus should be you're confused again arguing with the same Organization you yourself said will always be your preferred Christian group.
Please leave story and decide what exactly you will do, JWs will always stand behind our GB and you can't find a better performing group elsewhere.

Iwájú ò ṣeé lọ ẹ̀yìn ò ṣeé padà sí!

MaxInDHouse:
They're here so i don't need to start telling you what they'll take from you and what they'll reject outrightly. But Jesus is not here physically it's the dummy in pictures infused in your heads that you're seeing each time you hear the name "Jesus"
So instead of assuming what manner of man Jesus is go and read your Bible , read Jesus' statements most especially when he's confronting antagonists then come back and tell me the picture you perceive if it's just some dumb lifeless idiot!

MaxInDHouse:
Your problem is the picture Catholics printed for all of you about Jesus.
Of course Jesus wasn't a dumb lifeless idiot who can't stand to put you in your place when you misbehave towards him. John 8:44
So instead of assumptions why not read and meditate to know the character of Jesus in the Bible?

Janosky:
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According to your Bible @ Hebrews 10:9 & Hebrews 5:7, Bros whose will was Jesus dedicated to doing, leading to his death?
1 Corinthians 11:1 & 1 Peter 2:19-21,who did Paul imitate?
JWs dey copy Jesus examples
For the record, JWs espouse John 3:16 more than Trinitarians.
Trinitarian belief deny John 3:16 & actually pays lip service to it. Bros reason on this wella.

4.
1 Corinthians 5:3" this is what the love of God means- Obedience.
Bros the real robbery is disobedience to Mark 12:29-30.

5.a.
For what do I have to do with judging those on the outside? Do you not judge those on the inside while God judges those on the outside?
Remove the wicked man from among yourselves"- 1 Corinthians 5:12-13. Rom2:2.
1 Corinthians 10:6-11, your Bible warns against MURMURERS.

5.b. Philippians 2:3 & Galatians 6:4, You can scan the religious section of this forum & know those comparing their gods of men with their fellow rivals.
JWs emphasize Luke 21:1-4 with maximum seriousness.

5.c.
Matthew 7:1-2/Rom 14:4 = Matthew18:33-34.
Bros, Do not confuse confession/forgiveness of shortcomings with brazen wrongdoing without repentance (hiding under so-called 'grace to commit atrocities') 1 Cor 5;12-13.

1 Corinthians 7:10-11= Amos 3:3. Marriage is by agreement.
You can't turn your wife to a punching bag and be quoting 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, for instance.
It's plain wickedness, I must say.
If the marital issues are life threatening, separation is necessary while the couple continues dialogue to reconsider their stand and reconcile again.

1 Corinthians 7:15, break up is inevitable when the estranged couple mutually reject the option of reconciliation.

Janosky:
You have associated with JWs at some point in time, have you ever seen any JWs bow to any Overseer?
I'm not insulting you, but you're uncomfortable that my comments are frank and direct.
If Your claim were true,go ahead to disprove the Scriptural examples on my comments, that's all.

Exodus 24:7, the Israelites dedicated themselves to what/whom?

Mark 8:34, how can you dedicate yourself to follow Jesus when you refuse to "disown yourself"?

How do you faithfully observe Mark12:29-30 without dedication?

Even the Jesus you want to follow, John 15:15, was he not taught?
Luke 24:24-27, did Jesus not teach others?

Hebrews 13:7,17 is Jehovah's instructions, Janosky will obey, please suit yourself.
Bros, just tell Nairaland that your personal belief is a shopping mall formula, you pick & choose whatever panders to your imperfect whims & tastes.
Hebrews 13:7,17 is Jehovah's standard.
Shalom.

Janosky:
Bros .
Your last paragraph thoroughly exposed your frustrations and ignorance about the holy Scriptures.
Rather than study God's word thoroughly & be well grounded, infatuation for the girl you dey chase no let you concentrate.
You come online dey spill GIBBERISH.

According to your Bible, Isaiah 43:10-12,21 , Exodus 3:10, Isaiah 6:8 & Matthew 12:15-18, Acts 15:14, is the quartet of Moses, Isaiah & Jesus Christ & the disciples JEHOVAH'S Witnesses, chosen Servants of the true God?

Does the Governing Council in Jerusalem @ Acts 15:2-9 mirrors the Governing Body?
Yes.
JEHOVAH'S witnesses have received holy spirit to serve as JEHOVAH'S Servants on earth.

Dedication- Exodus 24:7,Mark8:34, John17:6-7.
Governing Body/ Overseers. Exodus 7:1-2, Acts15:2-9,14. Hebrews 13:7,17.

Bros, is the judge who knows wetin God no know. .
Who told you the Governing Body dey chose who makes up the sealed number of 144,000 chosen to co-rule with Christ?

Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself.

achorladey:
Please how are they different from the three scoundrels, Korah, Dathan and Abiram, who rejected Jehovah’s appointed leader, Moses due to pride?

We are different because no where in the scriptures, I repeat no where in the scriptures is your religious leaders ever appointed by God to lead his people. In addition, who are these appointed leaders of yours placed in the seat of Moses. Be kind to share

Maybe they thought that Jehovah should relate directly with them the same way he did with Moses and anything less than that, they would not accept

You are still on "Maybe" Lool! That's what you get when some people taught you that God has only one channel of communication to billions of people and salvation is dependent on that channel of communication that is not inspired, error filled and perfect spiritual food not guaranteed. It is such imperfect food that contribute to many leaving the organization aka God which you call apostates that will be smoked.

Now this: Hebrew 1: 2 tells you in this final age he has spoken to us through his son. What did that Son say John 14: 23 the son said anyone that heed his words(not that of your religious leaders) he added he and the father will come and abide with that person.

You will rather heed the words of your religious masters(of whom you can show from the scriptures that they have divine appointment) you equate with MOSES(who had divine appointment) than the person you call your EXEMPLARY(Jesus).

You always like to show you know and feel you have made a point. Try to always read your comment before posting.

MaxInDHouse:
Can't you see that your double account style of criticizing JWs is not working?

I know you're the same person using two accounts i just played along to see how far you will go with the game.
It's over acholardey i know both accounts belongs to you!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted!
Below is my response to your first comment on this thread:



I purposely said this so as to move on but as the Holy Spirit would have it you're supposed to show how stupid you are, you continued until the inconsistencies became manifest so that all right thinking followers can see the spirit in you! Luke 6:45

So if i choose not to continue discussing with you it's not due to hatred but i can't continue wasting my time, energy and data on someone who is not consistent and not remorseful even after realizing it but stubbornly decides to continue arguing shamelessly despite figuring out his own inconsistencies!

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is about JWs i supposed?



The highlighted is about JWs too, shey?

No wonder the same commentator could say:

Janosky:
Isaiah 43:10 -12,21 (compare 2 Chro 7:14 & Acts 15:6-14)
"Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

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I, I [am] Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour.

12 It is I that have declared, and have saved, and have shewed, when there was no strange [god] among you; and ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, that I [am] God.

21 This people have I formed for myself: they shall shew forth my praise."

Bros, the expo is in your Bible.
No dey DECEIVE yourself