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Janosky:
Exodus 24:7

ASV 1901

"7And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that Jehovah hath spoken will we do, and be obedient."

Bros, Jehovah's witnesses in the days of Moses made a dedication to Jehovah @ Exodus 24:7
Bros, do you agree Hebrews 13:17 is what Jehovah has spoken to His Servants?

When you stop serving Jehovah & go to Church of 3/Triune deity worshippers,are you serving Jehovah God?

Funny how you called the Jews JWs org, Lols

The Jews were never Jehovah's witness that you belong to now, they are a chosen nation by God to prepare the way for the coming of Messiah, when messiah came they rejected Him and that covenant ended and a new one was made with the blood of Jesus which is why we all can approach God freely for Mercy!

Yes most churches serve the trinity god which is their current understanding, JWs once celebrated Christmas but later got the "new light" and stopped along with other false believes they once preached but now they see more new light. Let's just say trinity churches will get their new light in time and adjust their understanding.

Yes I used your own style to justify other churches as God's people, you can't be using double standard when other churches are involved.

Janosky:
The Watchtower screenshot of 1986 proven your claim is FALSE.

Your official policy says members cannot report child molesters to police or relevant authorities, you were ordered to report to elders who will now "judge" the matter.

How can your elders cover up such evil and contain it from getting to authorities, so they can do the job of police, court and judge?

Romans 13:1 - Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

Such matters are handled by state authorities and not your elders, your elders clearly knows what scriptures said about constituted authorities but chose to ignore just so they won't wash their dirty linens in the world.

Janosky:
Bros, JWs don't make oath to any mortal, our dedication is to Jehovah (in accord with the Israelites @ Exodus 24:7, Romans 15:4) & His Son Jesus Christ @ John 17:5-6,21-23.

You can tell yourself that your dedication is to God but we both know God didn't require that as a means of salvation, it is a requirement to become member of JWs organization.

That is why when a member resigns or go to another church you all see the person as apostate.

Words like apostates, unbelievers, infidels etc have brought more harm than good to mankind, it has been a vehicle for hate, extremism and division which have led to chaos all over the world.

Religion and faith is supposed to make us good, bring love and tolerance among us but unfortunately JWs, Muslims, pentecostals, Roman Catholics etc have employed words that divides themselves.

I still come in peace!

lordally:
My brother na person wey don chop bellefull go dey think of problem to solve.

No be only naija hunger dey, e dey everywhere. But na only naija people like you carry belle put for front everything else is secondary na why we no dey progress

Splinz:
At the bold claims, how true is this report of yours? Like for whatever reason, there's an oat to be taken?

The oath is real, they call it "dedication" which is a special vow you make to "Jehovah" to remain loyal to their governing body, you are expected to keep up with your vow forever, failure to do that will result to shunning which includes ostracizing you and even your family will not eat from same plate with you.

I have seen that happen many times.

That's why @op will go the extra mile in claiming "dedication" is mandatory to gain salvation, something not thought or mentioned anywhere in the bible!

MaxInDHouse:
Before anyone comes into a thread the first thing that attracts him/her is the topic of discussion.
Here the topic say:

"Study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses"

So a sane individual will expect anyone coming into such a thread either to come for wisdom, for instance one could say

"i have them in my yard, they don't believe in this or that can you tell me why?"

Or

"I've heard a lot about them please can you tell me what is the difference between them and other (Christians)?"

Or

"They're the best in this or that, but there are some things i don't like about them. Can you explain?"

But coming on social media to say "all religions are worthless and if i later decides to associate with people practicing worthlessness i have my own choice, but there are certain things i will not accept in their worthless practices"
Please how does that sound?

I will always glorify Jehovah for directing His people to my house!

You can apply your rules of not questioning watchtower only inside your kingdom halls were people are not permitted to ask questions, but not here on social media; your rules don't apply here.

For over 5yrs i studied with you guys and i know enough to make up my mind to quit, i can think for myself.

You guys go into peoples homes like harmless sheeps who cannot hurt a fly, but the moment anyone opens his doors and allow you in morethan once, you enter not only his house but into his life to tell him what to believe and what not, what to read, how he prays, and how to view non-JWs.

Before you know it you guys will go further into initiating them through an oath called "dedication" disguised as a promise made to God, in reality they threaten you with it anytime you go out of line in not doing everything governing body says including killing your life's ambitions, giving hours of your time preaching and sometimes make you quit your job to become a fulltime pioneer!

From a simple knock on the door someone lost his life and freewill.

But the funny part is that this whole details will be hidden from new converts at the initial stage while they take their time to indoctrinate and activate mind control, obviously this is the story of your life with JWs!

MaxInDHouse:
After saying:



Jehovah's Witnesses, may God continue to bless you guys for locating me!

I gave you a reason to feel good about your situation right there! Savor it.

But this is 2021 bud, information is now easily accessible and no one have the right to restrict you on what to read.

I was almost like you but I quickly think for myself and took control of my life here on earth and also I am responsible for where I end up, me and not governing body.

I know how much those born into JWs family suffer even from their parents and siblings should they dare think for themselves, I have seen it many times and I feel pity for them.

It's not different from Islamic jihad and extremism which why countries like Russia banned JWs.

MaxInDHouse:
The first time i saw your post i realized that you're a wanderer who can't find a resting place of worship and you're also arrogant so i tried to quickly commend you on the few things that matters to us and move on. But you insisted i must look into your point of argument which is useless to me and other JWs.

You're free to choose any form of worship around you Sir, but if you're coming into our midst to join us in the worship of our own God then you must be submissive to our Governing Body! Hebrews 13:7,17

I clearly understand what happened to your thinking, many years of indoctrination and mind control by your governing body (not Jesus) have narrowed your mindset so thin that you can no longer think for yourself.

I am not a wonderer because I worship God in truth and in spirit, I have my wife and kids to worship with and I consider them my assembly of brethren.

Come out of your little shell being controlled by American businessmen headquartered in Newyork united States and see worship of God beyond religion.

MaxInDHouse:
It's not a matter of insults my guy, sit down with two persons and try to explain just as you're doing now regarding JWs and your choice over all other groups. Come back and tell me the result. You refused to address the point regarding what God will do about faithful ones and unrepentant sinners.
JWs said their God will not roast anyone, it's either you continue enjoying life forever or you return to non-existence.
Others are saying God will take good ones to heaven (based on their faith) and start roasting wrongdoers alive forever.
Why not address this?


Do i call Noah a prophet?
Guy, i said he was God's representative in his own generation just like Moses and Jesus. God asked Noah to build an Ark, then Noah must PREACH (tell everyone what God is about to do) whoever wants to live must join Noah in building the Ark with faith that soon everyone except those with Noah will die.
For your information that's why Jesus likens our time to Noah's time. Luke 17:26-27
God has used the Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES to build one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers out of imperfect and sinful humans from all the nations. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
You conscientiously testified to this fact when you say of all the religions around you JWs is your choice. So you can't twist what you've said!


Since his Apostles (Governing Body) will continue to shepherd God's flock {Ephesians 4:11} Jesus promised that God's Holy Spirit will lead them into all truth {John 14:26, 16:12-13} therefore a wise individual will observe whatever God's people does because it might be part of the NEW THINGS the holy spirit is teaching them. If such things is working out what is fine in the midst of God's people {Philippians 4:8; James 2:18-26}} then you've got nothing to say against it! Galatians 5:23b


Apostates are people that come out and stand in opposition against an organized religion only to end up as critics without any setting nor arrangement {1Corinthians 14:33} the result is they will continue to wander around without being specific with their faith. Luke 11:23
God word refer to such individuals as the "SEA" {Isaiah 57:20} and they will not be with us in Paradise! Revelations 21:1



I have heard you loud and clear but keeping your advice for those who believe God is not capable of organizing his people in an orderly manner {John 17:22} i believe that a supreme being must have a well organized group having the same line of thought regarding sacred matters {1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} so if you're of the opinion that your God is a failure then know that mine is the Almighty who has promised {Zephaniah 3:9} and His words must surely come true! Isaiah 55:9-11

My major point of disagreement with you and the rest of JWs is how you guys manage to import strange doctrines into your teachings and exult it above what is clearly written.

Why will God need a human representative when is omni present and omni potent?

2 Chronicles 16:9 - For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him...

He does not need you or your governing body to represent Him! He searches the heart of man and see those who are his true followers.

You cannot use a strange doctrine to determine anyone's salvation Okay...

words such as ransom sacrifice, grace, repentance and baptism are clear teachings of the bible, but words like dedication, God's representatives, governing body are strange to the body of Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
You need to know how Apostasy develops in the heart of humans like you and i!

In each generation Apostates always capitalize on the same issue. Jehovah remains on His throne as the Almighty but He often send His representatives to gather His people together as ONE. Noah, Moses, Jesus this three humans served at different times as God's representatives but one thing is peculiar to them all: They all met fierce opposition from humans claiming worshipers of God!

Now let's talk about your state of mind. You believe (trust) in the existence of God and you also agreed that both Noah, Moses and Jesus were God's representatives during their time, and you undoubtedly will say you won't join those critics who fiercely opposed them if you happened to be alive as one of their contemporaries. Matthew 23:30

But here you are, after going through all the religions you know you can't find any worthy to associate with except this organization. Yet you're here saying they're wrong one way or another.
What do you think that led humans like you to stand against Noah, Moses and Jesus?
Well i'll tell you.
Those critics have nothing to say against them than "you are OK and i like you but i will never follow you because you're not God God can use anyone so don't make yourself God's representative before others, there's nobody God cannot use"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

That's the only reason why Apostasy develops in people's hearts.
You've said it all that you're stupid in your own reasoning so that can't be overemphasized. If you yourself after chatting with me for hours openly confessed that you're stupid then why not help yourself out of stupidity?

Remember Noah, Moses and Jesus were humans like you and i yet God wants His people to take instructions from them, whoever fails to adhere to their instructions will not inherit what God promised.

Jesus said that in the last days so many things will happen and because Jesus will not be around physically his faithful disciples living at that dreadful times must be coordinated so Jesus promised that a faithful and discreet slave will emerge and this will continue to feed his disciples with timely spiritual nourishment {Matthew 24:45} then Jesus went on to say this faithful slave will need assistance and the future of all those living by that time depends on how they treat his brothers (the faithful slave) Matthew 25:31-46

You are now telling me to open my mind wide in search of truth yet you're saying of all that you know JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization is still your choice!

Which means if anyone should come to you and ask for the one and only Christian Organization that you can vouch for (since all are imperfect humans) you will say "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

Please try to go and see a psychiatrist quickly because the spirit of rebellion is gradually running you mad.

If Noah, Moses, Jesus were humans that walked on this planet and they served as God's representatives during their time. Then the Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization that has united people from all races, erased the use of weapons from their hearts and turned them into one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Micah 4:1-3} are surely God's representatives in our generation!

You yourself can SEE how Jesus is improving the knowledge of this people rapidly, why not go back to your Churches where they're saying God will take everyone to heaven and separate some to be tormented ALIVE in fire?
Why choosing the one and only group saying it's either we live forever or return to non-existence?

My friend stop deceiving yourself!

I see where this is going, you have resulted to cheap insults.

To correct your assumptions about your points above

1. I never said JWs are the only christian body chosen by God, there are so many others but i chose JWs because its my personal choice, deal with it!

2. I never said Noah was appointed by God as a prophet like Jesus and Moses, because unlike Jesus and Moses Noah was no mediator of any covenant.

3. God did not chose anyone to represent Him on earth, but he has his true worshippers who must worship him in truth and in spirit, the word representative is yet again another doctrine not thought by Jesus or the apostles, just like your dedication and governing body.

With that being said, Apostacy literally means a massive fallen away from the truth which is what we are experiencing now! No single christian body is currently standing in the truth including JWs which is why i don't attend any organised worship, everyone have fallen!

Like i advised you earlier on, don't be too emotional about religion, approach it with an open mind and speak in a language that befits anyone claiming to be christian.

I come in peace!

MaxInDHouse:
You only need to know why there is always a NEW LIGHT in God's salvation plan for mankind.
So i'll use this post to address the issue before i leave you. First of all you need to know the status of man before Jehovah God, He sees all of us as descendants of Adam (a rebel) so we must be tested to the limit. Note what JEHOVAH did when He brought the Israelites out of Egypt, this people never crossed the sea on their way to Egypt but on their return to Canaan God's Angel led them towards the Red Sea. Visualize yourself in their midst that faithful day, Moses is God's human representative they knew one on one and can see but the angel representing God they're seeing in the day as a pillar of cloud and a pillar of light at night. The Bible said God Himself is the one leading the Israelites, but why does He have to take them towards the Red Sea? Why not the safe passage they passed on their way to Egypt?
Well the people began to murmur against Moses whom they know and can SEE but to JEHOVAH they were actually murmuring against Him!
Today Mankind is in the same condition, Satan is the Pharaoh under whose captivity God wants to free us, mighty spirit beings (demons) and powerful human agents are all working with Satan. So how possible is it for Jehovah to get us safely to Paradise (the promise land) when we ourselves are imperfect sinful descendants of Adam?
That's why God send the warning through His Prophet Zephaniah:
"Before the decree takes effect, Before the day passes by like chaff, Before the burning anger of Jehovah comes upon you, Before the day of Jehovah’s anger comes upon you, Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger" Zephaniah 2:2-3
Do you think any Israelite who left Egypt can get to the promise land if such a person is not HUMBLE and FAITHFUL?
How possible is it for a person who keeps complaining about their back and forth movement get to the promise land?
Remember the Journey that's supposed to take God's people for 40 days took them 40 years due to their wandering in the wilderness!
Well Jesus knew how difficult it will be for persons like you before he said:
“Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth" Matthew 5:5
So my friend, if truthfully your heart tell you that you've found something unique in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses, make sure you're 100% meek and keep that first love you had otherwise this arrogant attitude will make you loose what you saw when you left Deeperlife for Jehovah's Witnesses Organization! Luke 13:24
The faithful and discreet slave (Governing Body) are God's representatives on planet earth today, Jesus referred to them as "my brothers" {Matthew 25:31-46} whatever anyone says or does for them or against them has been noted by the angels. So if you join critics and start antagonizing them know now that you're making it harder for Moses to carry the burdens of a multitude from Egypt to Canaan so you will never reach the promise land! Matthew 25:45

But if you support them physically, financially, morally, actively and zealously Jesus is watching you, he promised that you will get to the promise land! Matthew 25:40

You conscientiously said:

"if I later see a need to resume going to any worship center JW will be my choice"

So stand by your conscience and stop judging Moses whom you yourself agreed that has want you've been looking for: the truth that you can't find in Deeperlife!

So you have replaced Jesus, God's appointed Moses of the new covenant with Governing body made up of some few men in America?

You see why you should go beyond trying to proof you are right and approach religion with an open mind? In trying to defend what is not in scriptures (GB), you conveniently replaced Jesus with governing body as God's representative on earth.

Jesus is God's appointed prophet for all Christians today, no one can approach God except through him:
John 14:6 (NIV) - says: Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Before Jesus ascended to heaven he told his disciples a comforter (holy spirit) that will be with them:
John 14:16 - And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—

No where did a mention of your governing body in the scheme of affairs for christians.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 - Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 5. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

The man of lawlessness will oppose and exalt himself in God's temple, these are people that self appoint themselves as holding the keys to the kingdom which includes the governing body, they have established themselves in high places across the Christian body making themselves very important and they make people see them as God, in your case you have already called them "Moses" who happens to be Jesus in this dispensation.

JWs use alot of inferences to teach scriptures and they do that so brazenly disregarding contexts and the substance of truth.

nuel000:
be solving problems with an empty stomach na

Na stomach infrastructure dey Kee Africans, no one cares about tomorrow shey? Whites dey fly car now but for here we never find solution to hunger

Janosky:
The truth changed- old covenant to new covenant.

Where you born with your full set of teeth?

Why do you have a full set of teeth now?

Bros, Shey you understand?

Your example is unrelated to the matter at hand and you seem disconnected and clueless about Bible, so I might no engage you in further discussion

MaxInDHouse:
They came but after noticing JWs aren't ready for fruitless arguments on the thread they left.
You've done enough to help many sincere people know how much harm the enemies of truth are cursing themselves!

©You've been to so many religious groups. ©Out of all your choicest is JWs.
©Hypocrisy is everywhere so you quit all.
©But if you're retuning you'll go back to JWs.
©They're molesters so you don't trust them.
©But you will worship with them anyway because they're your choice.

You really made my day on this thread!

I see my stand on some day returning to JW is unsettling you, Lols.

I will come back when all my concerns are addressed, but that seems impossible for now but who knows, the new light might agree with my understanding you never can tell

Janosky:
You claim "Truth remains truth, it doesn't change".
Bros,why are you not doing animal sacrifices?

Truth doesn't change, God told the Jews that He will raise another prophet just like Moses that will fulfill His promises.

Deuteronomy 18:15 - The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him.

It was God's plan all along to make a new covenant with his people, when that new covenant came into force the old one seized to be in force which is why burnt offerings and tithe seized to be.

Many Jews including present day Israelis rejected the new covenant, by doing so they refused to be born again into the new one and because of that they seized to be God's special nation.

Indeed truth does not change, but JWs have found a way to change truth from time to time.

Janosky:
There were non Israelites who worshipped JEHOVAH in the old testament, it wasn't a spiritual birth.
What is born of flesh is not spiritual birth.

Those are proselytes, non-jews who converted to Judaism and became part of the old covenant, but they need to be born again into the new covenant of our Lord Jesus Christ.

That which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit, they're not related

MaxInDHouse:
The term "BORN AGAIN" has different meanings to so many people.

But according to Jesus being BORN AGAIN means being born of water and spirit! John 3:5

Please can you tell me what you mean by born again?

You don't even know what it means to be born again, haha.

Many christians including you think the first birth is when we were born to this world and when we accept Jesus we become born again!

But the bible said in John 3:6 (KJV): That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

They have no connection at all! It means the first birth is a spiritual birth and the second birth is also a spiritual birth.

John 3:5-6: 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, (E)unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is (F)flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.

Notice that Jesus was addressing Nicodemus, a Jewish Sanhedrin (teacher of the law). All Jews at the time were born into God's kingdom at mout Sinai through Moses which is basically the old covenant God had with the Jews, which is their first spiritual birth.

Nicodemus being a teacher of the Jews should have been familiar with God's promise of a new covenant as prophesied in the book of Jeremiah and other prophets

That's why verse 10 chastised him:

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?

For the Jews to now enter the new covenant they must be "born again", just like the first birth at mout Sinai, but this time they'll be born of water and spirit.

So technically if you're not a Jew or proselyte you can't be born again because you have not been born into God's household the first time.

What about non-jews who wants to gain salvation? The bible also talked about the new birth in 2 Corinthians 5:17: Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Galatians 6:15: For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

We are all learning and don't take this personal, I am a bible junkie and learnt this outside the watchtower teachings.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK, thanks for your time and data!

Am not leaving this thread bud, I will be here to set matters straight so people will know what JWs is all about, someone have to do it, haha

MaxInDHouse:
So you want to stand by child molesters, shey?

Walahi Talahi some people just like deceiving themselves big time!

Am glad my inconsistencies on this particular point made me look stupid, but it's nothing compared to the inconsistencies in your teachings, I deliberately did it to prove a point and it worked

MaxInDHouse:
You are free to choose any religion out there since you don't see any difference, what baffles me is what you meant by this statement:



Please the one and only reason why we are what we are today is our GB, they are chosen by Jesus to gather his sheep under one Organization.
So if you're not ready to subject yourself to the same line of thought please shift to other places, it's not by force that you should worship with us, you're not welcomed in our gathering!

Why I said I would prefer to go back to JWs is a personal choice, I still stand by it because anyone is free to join any association including cult groups.

That Aside, I will not be controlled by anyone like your GB or any other organisation for that matter, my allegiance is to Jesus and Him alone because through Him I can have a relationship God.

I can't be part of any system that cover up for child molesters

MaxInDHouse:
Of course the Roman Catholics claimed they're Christians but one thing is certain:
Christians in the first century had nothing to do with Politics that's why those persecuting then had upper hand.
The Christians made sure that all those under their supervision love the worldwide association of Christians so there is no way a Christian can say he belongs to so and so race then pick weapons to kill his fellow believers in other lands.
Christians don't set some title men and women at the the cost of marital status.
Peter was married so where did their Pope got the idea that marriage is wrong for those who are taking the lead in worship?


Of course there were lots of changes even in the first century but whatever changes as long as it's what God's Holy Spirit taught them, they will enjoy the benefits! Matthew 7:16-18
One thing i noticed in you is how Apostates behave, you want to continue associating with JWs but you don't want to subject yourself to our norms! Hebrews 13:7, 17

Well i wish you find some other group like the Catholics and continue your Christianity with them, as for JWs it's either you completely submit to whatever the Organization says or you go out there and worship elsewhere.

We won't tolerate rebellious attitude in our gathering! Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

In your first point I want to clarify that I don't believe the Roman Catholic Church and Pope are the Peter Jesus handed keys of the kingdom to, neither do I agree your Governing body are currently holding the key. I believe Christians as a body holds the keys and not any organisation that claim to hold the keys.

In your second point, since there's no proof that holy spirit directed the "new light" as you people like to say when you attempt to change the truth, it will be foolish for anyone to commit his eternal salvation to such a claim.

You also said I behave like apostates, what churches call unbelievers and Muslims call infidels, I will like to say these terms are what all religions have in common, they don't tolerate any different point of view which is why there are so many hate and killings among religions.

Only Jesus Christ is the road to salvation and not the Pope, Muhammed or the Governing body.

I come in peace

MaxInDHouse:
When you're learning try to be a fast learner!
Jesus said to Peter and the twelve Apostles:

"I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens.” Matthew 16:19

Jesus is here appointing the little group and giving them the authority to oversee his followers in everywhere they are. So whatever they decided upon on earth the heavens will support them. For your information that's why you can't find any other group than JWs that's teaching Bible truth!


Dedication is a teaching that helps a Christian know that before baptism you need to go to God in heartfelt prayer, open your heart to Him after studying the Bible with His people, promise to live up to the requirements and beg Him to assist you with His active force (Holy Spirit)
This are minor things that is explainable, Jesus told his few chosen men:
“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come" John 16:12-13

So how will you know if something is not what the Holy Spirit told Jesus' followers to do?
Well such a teaching will not yield positive result, but when you see it working out what is fine then be rest assured that it's the WORK of God's Holy Spirit! Matthew 7:16-18 compare to James 2:18-26

I love the way you're asking thought provoking questions because that's exactly the same way i was asking before i left Islam. But i was determined to find God's people and i wasn't expecting perfection from them because there has never been a time when God's people were perfect yet the sign that they're God's choice will be seen! Matthew 5:13-16

That's why you too couldn't see a better performing group than JWs:

If we're to trace the apostolic succession from Peter it will lead us to Roman Catholic and Pope, this is supported by historical facts. They also teach from the bible.

About dedication, the self appointed faithful and descrete slave went beyond what was written.

Rev 22:18 (KJV) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.

You can try to use your carnal knowledge to defend false teachings all you want, but truth remains truth, it doesn't change except the so called JWs truth that changes with the passing of time

MaxInDHouse:
This is the question you need to ask on this forum and wait patiently for response from JWs!

TRINITY is a concept that was enforced on people so whether you understand it or not you're to believe (trust) it, whereas the title "Governing Body" is what our global overseers are called.

They are the Governing Body of the entire Christian congregations everywhere true Christians gather in Jesus name, it's whatever the Apostles decided upon that will become the norms back then. So JWs are using the title Governing Body to tell members that Jesus appointed a group that was overseeing his followers throughout the earth!
Nobody asked you to believe in the usage of the title GB, but you must beleive that Jesus appointed few men to oversee the activities of his followers globally and in the midst of JWs this group is called the Governing Body!

First of all Jesus didn't appoint governing body to oversee anything, if He did He would have mentioned it in the bible.

Secondly you are silent about your teaching about dedication as one of the requirements for salvation, its also not mentioned anywhere in the bible?

Thoughts...

Floda:
In this locality, we consider "lucrative" before "problem solving". Is it our fault? NO!!

Yea...not your fault at all

It's same reason we have many poor people in this part of the world. There's much money when you solve a problem

Local man will only learn something "lucrative" and care less about solving a problem

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
According to the history of God's people there has never been a time God condone division among His people. So whenever God appoints those He will use as spokesman whoever finds fault with them is doing so at his or her own detriment.
You yourself said you've learned so many things in JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization so who do you think is responsible for what you learned?
Well it's no other than the Governing Body of this organization. Therefore once you've seen that you have no right whatsoever to speak against God's anointed ones.
Of course they are imperfect humans like everyone else but Jesus said to them:
"I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of the heavens, and whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens" Matthew 16:19
Go round the world and find another group of worshipers where people from all races have become like brothers and sisters that nothing can separate them not even racism or politics! Micah 4:1-3
So who do you think Jesus used to make this possible?
Well it's no other than the Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Matthew 24:45

Therefore if you're not ready to subject yourself to them then you can go and pitch your tent anywhere else but be rest assured that you're not a worshiper of our God! Luke 11:23

One of the reasons given by watchtower against the trinity doctrine is the fact the word trinity is not found in the bible and I agree.

Also words such as governing body and dedication cannot be found anywhere in the bible but still it is the cornerstone of JWs faith.

How come the first teaching used the fact that trinity is not found in bible as basis to conclude and where as thesame principle is not applied to governing body and dedication?

It is double standards like this that makes me see JWs as hypocrites

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted!

Please go and worship with them, i'm telling you what the entire association of Jehovah's Witnesses believe globally.

So it's better if you should reconsider other religions because what you typed below is not possible!

I understand where you are coming from, JWs don't like people who reason like me, they call us apostates for refusing to cover up for a brother who commits a crime or a child molester among other things

Rozcol:
I term all these young men doing this bitcoin and other online money stuff as yahoo boys,that's just how I see them.Whenever I ask a man about what he does for a living and he's mentioning bitcoin and all other online money stuff,my mind will quickly tell me to pick race lol

You are hiding in a remote village in Africa with your limited knowledge and still see Internet business as scam...