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Wow!!

Can't believe my eyes! 3 pages for a simple question? Mehn I should have know this would happen introducing christians and atheist on the thread

Seriously though I enjoyed reading through the arguments and all, but I feel more lost than I was before, so many conflicting ideas in this my brain now

I appreciate all your efforts and comments though...it is a path that I have to decide on my own.

Cc:johnydon22,captainjune,winner01,
davien,hahn,thoniameek,plaetton,
Menesheh,david0 and many others pls pardon me if I forgot to mention ur name.

Thoniameek:
But God is a supernatural 'stuff'. How then are you able to believe in Him?

There're witches and there're wizards and demons and satan and his cohorts... Better believe that!

Why are they there? To make you understand what choice is all about, what choosing and choosing right is.....

Thanks! I think you will be the last person I will be replying on this thread.

I don't believe in them, are you trying to force me or something? I don't seem to like the tone in your words.

So without those things in place you won't live right?

I m trying to keep an open mind here but you people are making things look difficult

Missali:
Oga/Madam calm down. You sound so bitter lol. Are we fighting? Why is everyone getting so worked up? If I drink from a stream, I care less if the price of bottled water goes up. So also, atheists should not bother about other people's 'gods'... Except of course, the very issue turns them on.

yes bitter! At the height of ignorance in the questions you asked, irritating to say the least.....

at bold, you are so ignorant that it seems you didnt even read the post of the good atheist that replied your post to come up with that statement...

go and enlighten yourself girl!

elantraceey:
How can you believe in someone and not believe in his words?

check my reply to the other guy

David0:
Well sorry dear, dats not possible. It can b possible wt ur parents but not wt God.
The Bible is God's instructions to us, to teach us on how to reconcile with Him or maintain a good relationship with Him.
How can u luv someone from a distance even when u have d means to b with the person, u chose to remain faraway. That's not luv, dats called infatuation or deception.
In the beginning was the word, n the word was with God n the word was God.
U throw the word away, u throw God away.
If u truly luv God like u claim, u must luv whatever comes from Him.

whatever comes from him? including discriminating against women,people of a different sexual orientation, race, genocide? etc

so if God tells you to kill, would you? dont say God cant tell you to kill because it is in the bible. so i have to believe in his words to prove i love him? do you have to believe in what your friends do to prove that you love them?

isnt God love? if God is love then why is there a need to love his word again?

johnydon22:
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I won't say i am expert in matters like this but i will still do the best i can to make things clear.
One do not necessarily need to believe everything in the bible to be a christian, there are many Christians who are very Choosy of what they want to believe..
And that position makes them place their beliefs under the judgement of their reason and they totally find the ideas very implausible and outrightly absurd but can still hold on to their Christian Faith that is when you see someone say "I believe there is a God and i believe in Jesus Christ" and thats just about it they aren't sure about it and so can fit in into the position known as "Agnostic Christian"
I understand your situation because once in a while one must go through that phase if you let reason and consistent logic play a part in your life and we sure do know that most of the religious beliefs we have defiles reason and logic.
So you are in a cross road " A huge conflict of the mind where your REASON is in conflict with your BELIEF and REALITY in conflict with your FAITH"
It is not a position to be feared but rather accepted, a chance to open up to more learning, a chance to give your reason the important job of running your life.
When reason sets in we all tend to disagree with many things we were taught as kids because they clearly become very implausible to us
(Thats why they were fed to us as kids in the first place because if your parents waited for you to get to this age before telling you a man and a donkey had a conversation you wouldn't have believed it)
So it comes from the fact that you even in a least way embraced Reason and it came into conflict with things you were taught to believe.. Like the guy who proudly asserted the BIBLE is the word of God, one cannot help but think "How the mythological historical antiquity of a set of people is the word of a God, is that God a story teller?
Buddha once said: Believe nothing, no matter where you read it even if i said it, unless it agrees with your own reason...
So it is a charge to embrace your reason and let the questions play out rather than fear them.
Because a subtle mind in error can yet give rise to useful enquiry that can determine truth of great value..
By the way bro my username is Johnydon22..you got it all wrong on your Op [/b]

mmm.....johny you and your long speeches

choosing a part of the bible to adhere to, doesn't it make one some sort of a hypocrite, choosing what only suits them? is it right?

agnostic christian? mmmm.....maybe i would go and read up on this stuff.

at bold....contrary to your opinion i m actually afraid of going father than this, maybe sitting on the fence would seem better....not sure yet. Sometimes i get headache thinking about this stuff sef.

lol, this your grammar sef, you sound like a prof...hehe anyways i really appreciate your comments. sorry about the username and btw am female. i m okay wiith the bro at least it aint baby

hahn:
So, I don resemble psychiatrist abi?

Well, you're not a christian at least mentally because you have to believe blindly which you apparently have a problem with.

Reminds me of myself back in the day. Even though I was raised by an atheist I chose to believe due to societal pressures, my mom becoming born again(she eventually got fed up with church), some hardship I faced and other factors and even though I never believed in all the superstition and even got labelled as an atheist, just like you, I really wanted to believe in something.

However, I've come to the conclusion that the only thing worth believing in is myself.

The concept of a supreme being doesn't really add up, especially from religious point of views. Since you believe in love I can only say you're on the path to understanding beyond the dogma that's being peddled in our society and from where I stand it's better to "love" than anything else. Religion will only hinder you from loving universally because it is always about us against them.

lol,you had to add your other folks come join....

wow raised by an atheist? mmmm....i can relate to this totally to wanting to believe desperately in something, going through somethings in my life right now believing in myself doesn't seem to be working.

true talk! it doesnt add up and it is quite difficult trying to shift away from what you have always known to be true.Thanks i really appreciate

menesheh:
ATHEIST : A person who believes that no deities exist (especially).
(broadly) A person who rejects belief that any deities exist (whether or not that person believes that deities do not exist).
AGNOSTIC :A person who holds to a form of agnosticism, especially uncertainty of the existence of a deity.
DEISM : A philosophical belief in the existence of a god (or goddess) knowable through human reason; especially, a belief in a creator god unaccompanied by any belief in supernatural phenomena or specific religious doctrines.
We have two concept here, either a god/gods exist or not. Agnosticism and deism don't fall between the two therefore it makes no sense.
If you feel you are deistic, if you ever propose a superhuman intelligence somewhere and you start recognizing, adhering or worshipping such, it automatically makes you a theist.

mmm...quite confuse here, what is the difference between a deist and a theist then?

kevoh:
Christian, Muslim, Deist, Atheists, ATR practicitioners bla bla, Do not be bothered with these name tags and unnecessary classifications. You can be whoever you want to be as long as you don't go killing other people or disturbing the peace of the World because of your personal beliefs.

lol! funny, but well put...thanks

CaptainJune:
Fearlesschicken, many people believe in God but that doesn't make them Christians. The Bible says even the demons believe God exist and they tremble.
Who is a Christian? A Christian is a follower or disciple of Christ. To be a follower of Christ, it means you have surrendered your life to Jesus Christ, and that you believe in His death and resurrection as recorded in the Bible.
The questions now are: have you given your life to Christ, and do you believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ?
A Christian is different from a passive believer of the existence of God. Your calling yourself a Christian depends on the answers to the questions above.

yes i have given my life to Christ, like i said i don't believe in the bible anymore like i used to. i find that part of the bible questionable.

so what is your view now?

btw avoid that troll abeg and am female not male.

menesheh:
What do you feel it made you?

Atheist
Deist
Agnostic

Really I don't know. Kinda lost, but I don't think I can qualify for that atheist position. If you get what I mean, but why do you ask?

boboLIL:
oboy go to hell.....and ur devil ur father there

I asked a question and you tell me to go to hell? Is that the best you can come up with? Which planet did you come out from? Can't you talk without the use of vulgar words?
#Sigh

boboLIL:
u cannot be a christian and say u don't believe in Bible..... Bible is the word of God and the word of God is life......so u can't tell me u love ur parents buh u don't believe in their advice.....

The analogy of loving my parents and not believing in their advise is quite silly sorry to say. Yes I love my folks but I don't believe everything they tell me. For christs sake am human and not a robot that would take everything they tell me hook line and sinker.

How are you sure that the bible is the true word of God? If the bible is the true word of God then why the inaccuracies and errors? Isnt God perfect like we believe?

AlphaMoi:
No,it doesn't..religion is a mirage.. Be pure and God qould honor you even above some religious hypocrites..

Thank you, you know religion is a believe in some sort of power like a God. So are you saying that my belief in God is some sort of a mirage?

boboLIL:
Yes and also a confused element

So am now a confused person? Why? And Pls how can you explain why I m less a christian?

I believe in a God who creates the world we are in but I don't believe in the bible does it make me less a christian?

I had an argument with a friend of mine, he keep calling me an athiest because I said the bible is inaccurate and I can't leave my life based on a book with so many errors and contradictions.

I don't believe in all this supernatural stuffs either, like witches and wizards,demons etc or some silly doctorines we have in the bible like women being submissive and a divorcee not allowed to get married etc

I just believe in one thing: love!

So am I less a christian for not beliving the bible and all the other things I mentioned? If am not a christian what am I?

Cc:captainjune,winner01,malvinsguy212,
Johnydon22,hahn,davien, etc

I m not an athiest but I see this question irks with ignorance everywhere.

You claim that they are obsessed with christianity yet you decided to come up online to create such silly questions to attack athiest. Who is really the obsessed one here?

My dear please can you mention a good religionist (if there is a word like that) who has really impacted something into this world? mother thersa the biggest fraud in history,hilter a devout catholic I don't need to tell you the story. From the founders of microsoft,apple,facebook even our beautiful NL they are all athiest so what is your point?

Stop embarassing we few reasonable christians on this forum and take the last question has an advise to yourself. Mind your business!

lagmostkuit:
Stupidity!

You sound very ignorant,he isn't the first or last. Haven't you heard of participant observation? I guess you haven't.it is because it involves animals that's why it seems silly to you.

He didn't become a goat forever, he took some days off to see the how it is like living as a goat has he loves goats. He has written a book and gotten a lot of pretige for this.what exactly have you done in your life? Yet you call it stupidity....better go and get something doing with your life

diceman1:
This is amiable. Complete dedication to the knowledge he seeks. What some people will never have.

Exactly! Someone with brain here! 2 bottles for you!

Silly nigerians never reading before commenting. Please where is the source of your article?

Not really new here, had previous monickers which I deactivated for some reason.

So where are the mods on this thread? Btw why can't I see people's signatures?

Seun,ishilove

bare1:
You know we are mostly what we think of ourselves. In your case, you think of yourself in regards to your bad sides and focus more on your difficulties. You need a belief system, you need to believe in something and most of all you need to believe in yourself. Once you can change the way you identify yourself, you're well on your way to greater things.

Thank you very much! It is really helpful

So how does one regain interest in what he has lost interest in?

Is there going to be another one of these this year?

bare1:
Change your identity. Don't be too hard on yourself, but learn to focus on positivity. Lastly, try see the good in yourself and in others. Happy Sunday!

Thnks
Change my identity? Hw do I do dat?

dearpreye:
That wasn't the intent for which this thread was created. It's not a religious place by any stretch. It's meant to be a place where we can get motivated and energised enough to pursue our dreams and plans for our lives.

Please, don't fail to share any meaningful quote or life experiences. It's a place for all who are committed to being better persons.

Okay! Don't mind me!

I need help with myself, I hate myself and I want 2 learn 2 luv myself the way I m but I find it extremely difficult to. I find it difficult to point out my good sides. Infant I find it difficult accepting someone's gud/bad comment bout how I look and all that sh!t! Also What do u do when what interests u b4 no longer does?

This goes to everyone on the thread. Thnks in Advance

Alphaoscar:
Why this unnecessary evil on the poor guy? Is there anything wrong in seeking help again? Or is he the source of your problems? Why can't some people just respect themselves?



He did the right thing by seeking assistance where he think he can get a better result and here you are advertising your foolishness as if its your parent that is sponsoring the poor guy's education.

Guy one bottle for you!

That's as a result of poor educational background in Nigeria that causes such! It is not there fault : na situation wey make crayfish bend

CaptainJune:
Don't be deceived. God is not mocked for whatever a man sows he will reap.

He sows murder and reaps heaven after forgiveness? Nice reply dude

It would have been better not to reply that than saying such!

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Hello house! Am new here!

Would be entering my final year soon and I would like to go to know the process involved to school in finland for masters

johnydon22:
Actually people ask this question all the time. . . Its not silly but just shows the level the reasoning and independent thinking ability of that person is which is really low..

Looking out how many times i have heard it this question and have tried teaching otherwise, most people trail this line of thought

lol! If the independent thinking ability is low doesn't it make them silly? And the question asked also silly?

Mmmm....interesting!

frank317:
Nice one there John.
Unfortunately Christians will purposely misunderstand all you wrote. They will tell you your goodness is like a filty rag to their vengeful and murderous God.
They don't want to see any reason not to classify others as sinners and see themselves as the only ones going to a fake heaven.
Once they agree with you, pastors stop getting mugus and mugus (who are too lazy to use their brains) will be faced with the burden of feeling responsible for their actions.
No! They will reject it. Do u want devil to stop being responsible for their inadequacies? Do u want them to live with their guilt when religion has provided them an invisible being to ask for forgiveness when ever they behave badly?
They will come here and tell you you can never be good if you don't join them in their delusion.
Watch out.

Haba guy take it easy na,we arentt all that bad na

Hehehe