Nairaland General › Re: Man Crushes Cobra Which Attacked Him In Bed With His Bare Hands (Photos) by Fearlez: 5:22pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
plaetton: Wrong sir.
Snakes deserve to live, fend for survival as much as you do. The creatures that you share this Earth with do not live and exist at your pleasure.
Snakes in particular, hunt for food, and do not attack bigger creatures like humans, unless they feel threatened. In the animal world to which snakes belong, it is survival of the fittest. Drawing a comparison between the life of a snake and that of man means you do not know what to do with your own life. Your attempt at intelligence is fullblown buffoonery. These dangerous snakes has venom that kills within minutes. And you want them preserved in order to have a sense of fulfillment with your uneventful life Will snake be the first animal to go extinct? Over 11 animals have gone extinct in the past two centuries; West African Back Rhinoceros, Passenger pigeon, Quagga, Carribbean Monk Seal, Tasmanian Tiger, etc. Venomous snakes are not indispensable to human evolution or science. Your proposal is just intelligent stupidity. |
Travel › Re: WARRI: The City And The Kingdom by Fearlez: 4:47pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
OLORIPAPA: I bet u are under 20...am I'm having a hard time with ur psychic. U are responsible for ur Ignorance. grandpa you seem to have evolved in years while never developing basic fundamental skills of adulthood. |
Travel › Re: WARRI: The City And The Kingdom by Fearlez: 4:28pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
OLORIPAPA: I bet u are under 20...am having a hard time with ur psychic. U are responsible for ur Ignorance. Another alternate expressing the split personality disorders of the man known as fratermathy! See how he labelled me iPob and when presented with facts , he resorted to his diversionary subterfuges. Your stupidity is truly built to last. |
Travel › Re: WARRI: The City And The Kingdom by Fearlez: 3:14pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
[s] DBriteLitehouse: You are ignorant.Itsekiri beat us in brute warfare? They only fought with two Urhobo kingdoms.And for your information,we Urhobos harbour them during the Itsekiri and Ijaw crisis. There is no need for this,all we need is peace.But the facts should be put straight. [/s] You're already making up excuses (only fought with two urhobo kingdoms) because you lost. You guys are too loud and without decorum. The days urhobos will be coming for attack, all of Warri usually knows and and are aware. But itsekiris were deadly with stealth and precision. |
Travel › Re: WARRI: The City And The Kingdom by Fearlez: 11:32am On Jul 09, 2017*. Modified: 12:02pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
fratermathy: Oniovo, ignore that guy. He doesn't want to argue. He's here with a clear vendetta against Urhobos. Just don't let him derail your thread. That dude is not an Itsekiri. He's an IPOB youth. He's only trying to sow a seed of discord because Urhobos said we don't want Biafra. Try and report his posts since you are the Op.
Cc: Mynd44
Please review the posts of Fea.rlez on this thread. I still stand by the opinion you should be banned for peddling false information on this forum. Saying I am ipop youth when I have repeatedly called for the indivisibility of Nigeria on this forum is akin to saying your parentage is as obscured as your fictitious claim to the ownership of Warri. If you think I am pro Biafra, a dubious scheme being floated by a criminal like Kalu who has dual citizenship, then you're an everlasting vagabond whose ancestors where itinerant peasants and crayfish sellers in pesu market. You are a malicious, half-literate fraud trying to rewrite history and ethnicity because Nairaland is available to unscrupulous brazen fiends like you. A foremost rabble-rouser trying to carry out an urhobo agenda in delta state with your numerous alternate accounts. You are also not receptive to truth and facts but chose to argue with sentiments and petty wishes of your dubious ancestral heritage. You have denied all legal documents on court rulings and legal precedents here in this thread because you're a petty individual who isn't concerned with facts but to foster your baseless agenda. Your last thread got you whooped and slapped here for its uncommon idiocy and misinformation. You should be cyber-quarantined until you are cured of your impulses to foster evil on the cyber World. |
Travel › Re: WARRI: The City And The Kingdom by Fearlez: 12:30am On Jul 09, 2017*. Modified: 9:46am On Jul 09, 2017 |
subsurface: My questions as a ex warri resident are (1)"if the itsekiri claims to own warri city, how come their King/Olu doesn't have authority over 60-70% of the city? As an old Warri from Nana primary school, I will tell you urhobo population soars like cattles in a breeding ground as the average urhobo man without a job has 3 wives with children roaming the unpaved streets in Okumagba layout with slackened dirty pants hanging loosely by the waist. These urhobos also resist the authority of Warri South local government. I did enumeration and tenement rate after secondary school and if urhobos sight you with a bill from the local government, you were beaten up. subsurface: (2) why is it that 90% of warri pikin slang has urhobo language but not itsekiri or ijaw...? The slangs are from homes with little or no education and gutter upbringing with little priority for sound English. Urhobos constitute the vast majority of these. Even till today, they are the most unlettered in delta state. You should have asked how the town Warri is an itsekiri word and how the British sought lease of the land from itsekiris and not urhobos subsurface: Lastly I believe that court cases favoured the itsekiri because of their language closeness to Yoruba and their educational literacy.. You believe the court cases were doctored? You're rejecting truth for sentiments. Characteristically urhobo! |
Travel › Re: WARRI: The City And The Kingdom by Fearlez: 12:02am On Jul 09, 2017 |
fratermathy: I can't counter what I can't verify. This is not an issue of oil or whatever. There is no vendetta here. I believe we are all having a productive argument, except if you are taking it personal.
Let us verify the judicial precedents from a source that is not an Itsekiri or Urhobo blog! Anyone can put up anything there and say whatever and if those precedents are true, then on what basis are Urhobos still occupying those areas, even with their own monarchies? Oga Olodo , judicial precedents are court decisions. Are you a daft? Are these things faked? What other proof do you want other than a court pronouncement and rulings? You're being out-fact and out-classed and you're making shameless excuses. Omo tennant! |
Travel › Re: WARRI: The City And The Kingdom by Fearlez: 12:00am On Jul 09, 2017 |
OAUTemitayo: You are deceiving yourself. So because they don't pay rents again the land automatically belongs to them? So Ibos that bought land in Lagos will claim ownership of land will Aworis, Egbas and Ijebus? This is the joke. As for archives, I propose we use judicial archives as it more acceptable (to sane people) and undeniable. Here I come with judicial archives all the way from Warri high court to the Privy council in London. You go tire today. Lolz, the dude says court rulings are not objective enough and wants you to site journals which are like blogs in hard copy. Never seen a self-deceptive lots like urhobos |
Travel › Re: WARRI: The City And The Kingdom by Fearlez: 11:50pm On Jul 08, 2017 |
OAUTemitayo: So you mean if I lease land from you, my great-grandchildren can make a claim that they are the rightful owners of the land. Does time erode the ownership of an item? How do you expect the Nigerian government to accept the fact that oil belongs to Nigerdelta when you people deliberately choose which court judgement to accept and ignore? You wonder why Hausas has the affront to declare that oil in Nigeria Delta belongs to them? Its because Urhobos also believed that a land their grandparents leased belonged to them because they have been there for a long time Lolz, what you are witnessing is a typical urhobos cunning and deceit. We in Warri know urhobos are tenants and settlers. The boys you're debating with are known to me for trying to rewrite the history of Warri and Delta state ilon the pages of Nairaland but have been failing. I read here when one said he was banned when he attempted to name villages in Warri? He meant urhobo villages! What audacity!!! He was promptly banned for posting wrong information here. |
Travel › Re: WARRI: The City And The Kingdom by Fearlez: 11:38pm On Jul 08, 2017 |
fratermathy: Try and substantiate some of your claims of ownership so that an educative argumentation can be provoked. You never asked the op to substantiate the hogwash he wrote up there! Urhobos are noise makers and babies in politics. You claim to have 80% of land in cosmopolitan Warri and "little" itsekiri is always beating you in politics and brute warfare |
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Romance › Re: The Mid-life Crisis. by Fearlez: 11:23am On Jul 08, 2017*. Modified: 5:16am On Aug 16, 2017 |
Toks2008: Let me give you different ore existing definitions for the sake of open minded people who are willing to learn...the fact that you quoted jut one definition vindicated me and for the last time I will advice you...be objective,be creative and think outside the box. Mr. Toks , are you running mad? Did the screenshot you furnish not tally with universal definition of midlife crisis as occuring in middle age? How did those screenshots support your deluded definition of love life of girls in their 20s? Don't quote me further. Just keep your burgeoning illiteracy to yourself. |
Politics › Re: Nigerian Looters Funding Biafra, Boko Haram, Restructuring Agitation - Magu by Fearlez: 11:13am On Jul 08, 2017 |
Is the insipid idiot called magu against restructuring of the federation? |
Politics › Re: Nnamdi Kanu Reveals 9 States To Follow Biafra After Referendum by Fearlez: 10:56am On Jul 08, 2017 |
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Politics › Re: Obasanjo Visits Olu Of Warri At His Palace(photos) by Fearlez: 10:54am On Jul 08, 2017 |
Kirigidi: I'm not surprised at your comments because I know you are IPOB Igbo! You don't know Warri well. That building you said near Okere Market is not a palace but the permanent secretariat of Okere-Urhobo Youth association. If you want to see the palace go to Ejemudarho. Did you said Urhobo are not recognized in Warri? For your information, the Honourable member representing Warri South Constituency 11 at the Delta State House of Assembly, Hon. Dennis Omovie, is an Urhobo native of Warri. Also the Vice Chairman and several other Councillors of Warri South LGA are Urhobo people of Warri. How am I iPob? Because I put you in your place? I don't place me. Your igbe shrine is giving you false prophesy! All the roles you mentioned are electioneering roles. Anyone can get elected anywhere. Olu of Warri has been gazetted before you or your father was born. And you are a subject of olu of Warri. Nothing you type here can change that ! |
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Politics › Re: Obasanjo Visits Olu Of Warri At His Palace(photos) by Fearlez: 10:16am On Jul 08, 2017*. Modified: 2:39pm On Jul 08, 2017 |
Kirigidi: You problem is ignorance! You know nothing about Warri. Who are the people of Okere? For your information, the palace of the Orosuen of Okre-Urhobo Kingdom is located right there in the heart of Okere. Even the permanent secretariat of Okere-Urhobo Youths was built closed to the Okere Market and you dare not park by its gates. People who live in Warri can confirm these to you: Every tribe knows her boundaries in Warri. The Olu's authority is restricted to only the Itsekiri parts of Warri and he never trespasses into Urhobo communities in Warri such as Edjeba, Ogunu, Agbassa, Okere-Urhobo, Okurode-Urhobo, Okumagba, Igbudu, Essi, Ukpokiti, etc. When the Itsekiris are doing their feasts, they do not carry their procession into Urhobo territories in Warri. The Itsekiris are matured and civilized people. They are not like you IPOBians trying to instigate division in Warri because we rejected Biafra! Urhobos in Warri are no better then renegades and rebels. Olu of Warri it remains and no rants from your land grabbers can alter that. Those ghetto slums and settlements you mentioned in Warri like Okumagba layout etc are places where urhobos don't even allow officials from Warri South local government to operate because you're trying to carve out a kingdom from an existing kingdom. That palace you mentioned, was it not the one built near Okere market ? It's more or less a community town hall. You people are not recognised in Warri. Okumagba until his death was just an ordinary chief. End of story. |
Romance › Re: The Mid-life Crisis. by Fearlez: 9:46am On Jul 08, 2017*. Modified: 10:04am On Jul 08, 2017 |
Toks2008: lol! why emotional...I'm one guy that sees issues as a process of learning but if you fail to open your minds and be objective then as I wrote,you are set for intellectual stagnation.
All your pendulic dogma are totally baseless because the term mid life crisis does not have a specific definition or application. ..life is not just about showcasing Grammer but it's more about intelligence and the ability to look beyond the dogma of life.
I can highlight different types of definition ascribed to mid life crisis from different sources that are totally divergent so which one are you really sticking to?
After going through it all,I decided to apply it to romantic union and define it as the period of human social and intellectual growth where the need for self-actualisation and the need to radiate it is required.It’s the normal period the human lifespan where we transit from younger people to older adults by way of thinking and acting in relation to our romantic life.
If you are to define mid life crisis in relation to health,spiritual life experience,hormonal variation, career..e.t.c,you will certainly get different definitions for each and I wonder why you still don't get this despite all the Grammertical prowess you display Dude don't expect me to go this endless pendulic argument with you...I know what I write and I am not sheepish in my approach to issues.
Consider my write up as my own creativity. what U.K spell as cheque is spelt check in U.S and while U.S pronounces schedule as shedule and U.K calls it skedule,people are forced to accept cos someone or a group of people made it so...
My final advise for you and others who think the way you do is that you should always think outside the box.
I will stop here Toks your mediocrity is built to last. Midlife crisis is midlife crisis. Stop decieivng yourself and tightening the knots of your delusions firmer. www.nairaland.com/attachments/5615998_screenshot201707080920101_png2e2ff1c0c05e62f3ab99d9f9fecda727If you ascribe midlife crisis to any other phenomenon, then it is merely an allusion not it's definition. You're learning the art of writing rather late and as a result you're stiff-necked and inflexible. |
Romance › Re: The Mid-life Crisis. by Fearlez: 12:37am On Jul 08, 2017 |
Toks2008: The problem is that you are one of those who read titles without the objectivity of assimilating the contents.
The midlife crises in romantic affairs as applied in my write up is never the same with what you still have in your head and until you learn to think outside the box,you will never be emancipated from intellectual slavery.
Odaro Oga done dey get emotional  Your title was " The Mid-life crisis" which is a universal word describing people in their 40s and beyond. Then you went on to say a girl in her 20s is already experiencing Mid-life crisis in romantic life! Your penmanship is organically crappy and your power for metaphors and allusion is inferior to a senior secondary school student. Two words for you: boldness and ignorance; you have them in abundance! |
Romance › Re: The Mid-life Crisis. by Fearlez: 12:15am On Jul 08, 2017 |
Toks2008: Do you really understand the so called universally acceptable definition ?
Go read again and you will see that I'm 100% right if I choose to apply an age range cos the age varies just as I also pointed out
If I were you I would discuss the contextual application rather than bother my head over what a mortal like you wrote as their definition. Your title : "Midlife crisis" is not only misleading but utterly wrong. Saying a girl is in the midlife of her romantic affairs at 25 is also wrong.. If you wrote this for an editor in a newspaper, he will edit out your tittle. |
Romance › Re: The Mid-life Crisis. by Fearlez: 12:12am On Jul 08, 2017 |
Toks2008: This is exactly why we lag behind in Africa....who actually defined it?
It may blow your mind that the original definition is so wrong because life expectancy is about 70 years on the average and of course many die younger than that so shouldn't it be from ages 30 to 40?
You see why I wrote that until we learn to think outside the box we may forever be enslaved in the ideology of a fellow human like us
When I first used the word mid-life crisis I had no clue that it ever existed in the dictionary and I applied it when I was counseling a couple and as an individual with a cognitive ability to create words,I will stick to my application in relation to romantic affairs regardless of a universally acceptable dogma. Hilarious! Life expectancy varies from country to country and even if goes down to 60 years, a 30 year old man doesn't have symptoms of mid life crisis in testosterone depletion, neither does a woman of 20 start having menopause. You just admitted you didn't know midlife is in the dictionary, and that's why you're abusing its usage and application here. |
Romance › Re: The Mid-life Crisis. by Fearlez: 12:06am On Jul 08, 2017 |
Toks2008: A lady becomes an adult at 18 and at 20 to 25 she usually feels the world is hers and commitment talks to her at that stage is baldadash. ..any guy trying to pin her down at that point might be faced with her rebellious act..then as she gradually approaches age 30,she begins to see the need to calm down her nerves and that inner crisis begins to dwindle and a lady who feels she is unstoppable at 23 suddenly sees the need to settle down at 31.... and please what gragra does a 50year old lady wants to do again? if a lady adulthood starts at 18 and at 50 she is considered old enough dies it not make logical sense that the mid life of her romantic life should be from 20 to 30?
How is this hard for you to understand...let me stop here. here's an excerpt from your thread: In any romantic union,the mid life crisis in a man is usually from age 30 to 50 while that of a lady is from age 20 to 30Midlife crisis is a completely wrong allusion. That's my take. |
Romance › Re: The Mid-life Crisis. by Fearlez: 11:55pm On Jul 07, 2017 |
SecondEva: you should have named it something else, mid life crisis is midlife crisis, you cannot redefine it. Toks for kuku do law with this brazen rigmarole |
Romance › Re: The Mid-life Crisis. by Fearlez: 11:51pm On Jul 07, 2017 |
Toks2008: You need to think outside the box....
According to wiki...A midlife crisis is a transition of identity and self-confidence that can occur in middle aged individuals. It is a psychological and behavioral observation that commonly occurs with individuals between the ages 45–64...... *Its observations differ in a diverse manner for each individual.
But this write up creatively expressed another type of mid life crises in our romance with the opposite sex...and not the contemporary definition you are used to Let me sail along with the import of your thread. So according to your "thinking outside the box", a girl as young as 20 is already in her midlife of romance? When did she start dating? 10? |
Romance › Re: The Mid-life Crisis. by Fearlez: 11:04pm On Jul 07, 2017 |
Toks2008: My consept of the mid life crisis I'm referring to is far from the angle you are looking at it... My angle is what is universally known as midlife crisis which are the crisis people experience in their middle lives and it begs the question how a girl in her 20s will be having midlife crisis when life has only just began? |
Romance › Re: The Mid-life Crisis. by Fearlez: 10:51pm On Jul 07, 2017 |
Toks2008: In most cases,after marriage,Many men still live as though they are still single and they would still make decisions without carrying their wives along,act foolishly and irrationally.
Some married ladies on the other hand just get married just for the sake of bearing that Mrs but still live their life as single ladies and lacking the vital qualities of a genuinely married lady. This irrational act in young couples is as a result of a passing phase called Mid-life crisis.
In any romantic union,the mid life crisis in a man is usually from age 30 to 50 while that of a lady is from age 20 to 30 and in few cases,it varies with individuals but this is one phase most people must pass through and while some people are disciplined enough to control the crisis,some allow the crisis control them.
As a lady,do you see your husband acting in a very uncaring,randy,insensitive, unreasonable manner or as a man do you see your woman acting in a rebellious,arrogant,nonchalant manner? please relax and don't conclude that such is a bad spouse....not at all,they are just passing through a phase and in most cases that phase will soon pass and you will start to experience great serenity and fulfillment in your marriage.
As we progress in age,the crisis usually reduces...During the mid life crisis of a man from age 30 when he is usually ready for commitment,there is an inner crisis he experiences when he will keep asking if he is ready for commitment and until he marries and grows in age,he will always be faced with that inner crisis thereby exhibiting some crazy acts that may likely make the lady leave the marriage....but as he grows in age,he begins to overcome the crisis and by the time he is approaching the 40s or 50s,he suddenly realizes the need to get a grip of himself.
For the lady,at the age of 20 to 25 she just does not care and to her it's about catching fun and as she approaches age 30,she starts to realize the need to calm down and once she clocks 30 and above,there is an unexplained calmness that she starts to exhibit and this is why in most cases,early brides and ladies generally in their 20s tend to act irrationally and men who do not understand the mid life crisis of a woman may at that point dissolve their marriage.
The bottom line is that most marriages that crash could actually survive if they can only understand how to tolerate and look away from the excesses of their partners when the crisis comes cos in most cases it's a phase that will definitely pass.*This is the secret of marital longevity.
Domestic violence is also part of mid life crisis but it's never an act to tolerate but can be reported to the authorities so that it can be checked.
Stay in your marriage cos every marriage has its own peculiar problems but why you don't hear about some is because they are able to handle their own crisis....Handle yours.
Don't know if this makes sense. Oga Toks, your points are valid but midlife crisis are usually in the 40s of both sexes and not 20 for women and 30 for men! It is usually the arrival of menopause for women when hormonal changes trigger behavioral and emotional inconsistencies, and depletion of testosterone for men. |
Politics › Re: Obasanjo Visits Olu Of Warri At His Palace(photos) by Fearlez: 9:58pm On Jul 07, 2017*. Modified: 10:17pm On Jul 07, 2017 |
Aragon: Actually he can walk alone on the Streets without any bodyguard and nothing will happen. You will be surprised that its your own people that Will beat you if you make any noise. Apart from the fact that he is a full military General, he also has people everywhere that genuinely love him Urhobo coward! Internet has given a stockfish likelike you a voice! Why not go on to the streets of Warri and let the okere community descend on you like they always do. Castaway reprobate! |
Politics › Re: Restructuring: Kogi Yorubas Want Reunion With South West by Fearlez: 7:04pm On Jul 07, 2017 |
realjoker: lols , 95% of Delta state oil and gas output are from shallow water and offshore oil fields. You and I know Ijaw, itshekiri, Urhobo/Isoko are the people who owns this areas. I said: Ndokwa is the only community is Delta state that has onshore oil. How does that translate into the diversionary comment you made up there? You obviously thrive in idle argument that has no tail or head. How did your spring up itsekiri, ijaw and others having 95% of shallow water oil? Was that in dispute? Who brought them in? When you lost, you look for uncorrelated points to steer the debate into other areas Why are you so insecure with the prospect of Anioma state? realjoker: Explain the bolded part
On the italic: Even the last confab report suggests that creation of new state should be subjected to its economic viability, so stop rambling, I am against creating additional parasitic state.
In general, you are the one shifting goal posts. You answered my first question by asking me a question. Your argument has no foundation as it is embarrassingly lacking in a central focal point. After being rounded up with Anioma endorsing its own state with Onitsha, you are now shifting to how you don't want parasitic states to be created. You're writing the rules of engagement in an ongoing battle  The point has been passed: Anioma, delta igbos have proposed a state to be merged with thier Kith and kin in Onitsha east of the Niger before Delta state was created. This logically hollow attempt at looking for points like a drowning man grasping for straws just to appear whole is a waste of keyboard strokes and not worth the data that conveys them. The end! |
Politics › Re: Restructuring: Kogi Yorubas Want Reunion With South West by Fearlez: 6:51pm On Jul 07, 2017 |
realjoker: lols , 95% of Delta state oil and gas output are from shallow water and offshore oil fields. You and I know Ijaw, itshekiri, Urhobo/Isoko are the people who owns this areas.
Explain the bolded part
On the italic: Even the last confab report suggests that creation of new state should be subjected to its economic viability, so stop rambling, I am against creating additional parasitic state.
In general, you are the one shifting goal posts. You answered my first question by asking me a question. |
Politics › Re: Restructuring: Kogi Yorubas Want Reunion With South West by Fearlez: 6:01pm On Jul 07, 2017*. Modified: 7:44pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
realjoker: Lol... I thought Onitsha is going to be their State Capital as you earlier stated? Yes, all of Delta North with/without Onitsha in Anambra as it's headquarters and not Bayelsa and Rivers and the other you flung into the equation. realjoker: The creation of Delta north alone anioma state from today's Delta state will lead to the creation of an additional parasitic state and transform a resource rich state to a mega rich state, since little people will now be sharing its resources. I see no correlation with the economic viability of Anioma state. You're constantly shifting the goal posts. First it was igbos forcing themselves on Anioma, to what region would Anioma be if created, then to how self-sustaining it could be as a state. But let me oblige you just once and sail along with your fishing bait: Ndokwa which is Anioma is the only onshore or oil-producing locality in all of Delta state! If the river Niger that sits between the twin cities of Asaba and Delta is dredged, it will boost commerce adequately...this is just naming a few. So the economic viability of Anioma state which is the oldest agitated state in Nigeria is not under question! |
Politics › Re: Restructuring: Kogi Yorubas Want Reunion With South West by Fearlez: 4:34pm On Jul 07, 2017 |
realjoker: So let assume or agree about the creation of anioma state with onitsha being its capital which I even know its not happening, will that make Delta, Edo, Bayelsa, rivers, Akwa Ibom and cross river part of SE or make SS less political demarcation as you earlier alleged? First off, Anioma state will comprise all of Delta North and no other regions or states in the federation. |
Politics › Re: Restructuring: Kogi Yorubas Want Reunion With South West by Fearlez: 4:27pm On Jul 07, 2017 |
realjoker: Nobody win argument by raising his or her voice. The SW Yoruba are not attaching by force with the Yoruba in the North Central, rather the Yoruba in the North Central have always been Yoruba, acted Yoruba, always feel Yoruba, wants to be with their kinsmen in the SW, and note if Anioma state is to be created today SE Will always be SE and SS will still remain SS there is nothing your profusely wailing can do about it. Neither have the eastern igbos forcefully indicated an alignment with Delta igbos. It is delta igbos who proposed Anioma state with Onitsha in the East as its headquarters. I read one of you here even it was igbos in the East who threw away the idea! So, what's all the fuss? |