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Demmzy15:
Thread Closed!!! This Christians are miserable losers!

I know right? All they do is say "Oh Muslims converting to Christianity in Nigeria left and right. Islam sucks, Christianity is best blah blah"...

And when you present actual evidence and research, they all shut their mouths and eyes and leave the thread.

None of them have provided any data or credible figures to back up their claims--while I have been providing thorough research and data to show them the reality.

Hopefully Muslims of Nigeria will wake up and focus on educating themselves about Islam and giving dawah, Insha'Allah!

May Allah spread the light of Islam far and wide..ameen.

Annunaki:
The concept of one and only one God is a concept that predates islam by several centuries. The Jews and Christians have believed in only one God for centuries before mohamed invented his own religion. Even the zoroastrians believe in only one God and they predate islam by thousands of years so stop writing as if the concept of one is unique to islam afterall allahh started off as just one of 360 pagan idols in the quoran before mohamed destroyed the other idols and elevated the status of allahh.

As expected, I have humiliated and destroyed you SO much and embarrassed you SO MUCH with truth about appalling and disgracefully embarrassing state of christianity around the world, in contrast to gigantic influence and power of Islam globally, that you have literally ran away from engaging with me on that topic And now you are just catching the straws. hahaha...sorry for breaking your little heart but reality has to be shoved down to your throat you know ...Ok, ok, I know christianity is a humiliated, defeated, and destroyed residue of dark ages in rest of the world (especially in West)--so I won't embarrass you any further. Afterall, Muslims are commanded to be nice to others you know

Now coming to your post,

LOL, I know the idea of monotheism is old--but Indonesian constitution is based on Islamic monotheism. We Muslims know that--you know how? Because the very wording "One and only one God" is how we describe Islamic doctrine of monotheism from early childhood. Jews don't say it like that. Christians don't say it like that. Muslims do. And the authors of Indonesian constitution weren't majority christians and jews--they were Muslims deciding on the future of a Muslim-majority nation...and they based the state on Islamic doctrine of Tawhid. Its quite simple unless you are just a lunatic that can't see CLEARLY obvious things.

When has christians ever seen and respected christianity enough to even mention the doctrine of trinity in public discourse, let alone basing their constitutions on it? LMAO. Ok, ok, sorry. Won't do it again!

Oh btw, the current ruling governmental coalition of Indonesia has Islamic parties at its heart. Islam is THRIVING in indonesia (Mashallah) and Islamic culture is so big and powerful--that there's a whole "Hijab" revolution that has come out of indonesia and spread to other parts of Islamic World as well. The Nahdlatul Ulama organization of Indonesia is an Islamic organization with 50 million+ members (Mashallah!!!) and growing. Islam is at the center of modern Indonesia and forms the core of modern Indonesian state and society (Mashallah).

Annunaki:
All this thrash you wrote here does not take away the fact that as usual you lied about islam being the basis of Indonesian constitution and you were caught pants down. Instead of you to apologise and admit your lies, you are now trying to obfuscate issues by writing jargon. Typical of an islamic infidel

Lol, the VERY FIRST clause of Pancasila, the national basis of Indonesian statehood and the preamble of Indonesian constitution says

"The state is based on the belief in one and only one God"

You do realize "one and only one God" is the most core doctrine of Islam, right?

So unlike you--who got humiliated and destroyed by me and hence you didn't respond to my post to you (Post#54)--I am not wrong when I said Islamic doctrines form the basis of Indonesia (which they do, clearly).

You are just mad that on one hand Islam is the most powerful and influential religion of history and forms the basis of many nations across the globe and is at the very center of so many different societies and cultures today (mashallah!)--while on the other hand your christianity is a completely dead, humiliated, destroyed thing and nobody even follows or respects it anymore. It doesn't form the basis of any nation nor does it play any significant role in the cultures and societies of modern world. It just influences few sub-saharan african cultures--and even then those states do not regard it as their basis of existence. How embarrassing! hahahaha!!

As I said before (read my complete post#54)--christianity is a joke infront of Islam's global influence and power as a religion. Poor christianity is not even taken seriously by so-called "christian" themselves hahahaha

raimuasu:
err nope
indonesian constitution based on Dutch Colonial Law, only Aceh province use Sharia Law, and it is part of peace treaty between Aceh rebel and government

I'm Indonesian Christian, by the way

The founding principles of Indonesian state include "Believe in one and only one God" as a fundamental principal and philosophy of the modern Indonesian state.

This core philosophy upon which Indonesia is based comes directly from Qur'an/Islam and it is the fundamental Islamic belief (Tawhid) as you most likely know already. Indonesia isn't an atheistic state like say Norway or other western nations. Indonesia was founded as a state where religion (Islam) was to be nurtured and respected. Offcourse there's huge Christian minority as well and they are allowed to practice their faith but Islam holds all the cultural and political power in majority of the nation. Islamic parties are cornerstone of the government. Indonesian government even arranges and subsidizes Hajj pilgrimage for Muslims with public money.

Islam plays a central and preeminent role in Indonesian society and culture unlike christianity's diminished role and humiliated state in Western World and even Latin American countries. Overwhelming majority of Indonesians are practicing Muslims, millions upon millions of women adhere to Islamic dress codes and even wear Hijabs, meat slaughtered is regulated by halal authorities as demanded by Islamic law, marriage, divorce, and inheritance issues are dealt according to Islamic Shari'ah, Islamic banking is part of country's financial system, and drinking alcohol and premarital sex is unacceptable in the majority of society. Government has even restricted the movement and sale of alcohol, even though Indonesia is a large tourist country. That shows that as a whole, Indonesia is a very Muslim country with Islam having the dominant role in the society and culture.

You can't say the same about christianity and its role any other country in the world (may be some sub saharan african nations--but even then, their founding philosophy/principles weren't based on christianity like they are based on Islam in case of Indonesia.)

As I said before, nobody has provided me with any rebuttal to my claims in opening post and even other posts throughout the thread.

All the data does seem to be pointing towards Islam more favorably in terms of growth in Nigeria.

People are just saying oh "Middle is 70% Christian, West is 60% Christian blah blah"...Can you please share the data and figures from where you got these stats? Nopes, no response.

Anybody, please share

Whats the population division amongst South, North, Middle, West etc? Any data in that regards?

When I talk, I write with evidence, data, and research. When other folks talk--they just talk from their own brain as if they are somehow more qualified than demographers, UN, PEW, and everybody else pretty much.

Kindly, provide me with links to data..

analice107:
Feed my sheep is the commandment Christ gave. Not help and encourage the sheep to go astray. They just encouraged them to keep worshipping their idols. Those people go answer strong questions before God ni

lol idols? Its christians who worship three gods (trinity) and marry as well. Moreover its christian who have sculpture of jesus and marry in their churches and pray to them.

Muslims don't have any pictures or idols in the Mosques and only pray to God.

Christians should stop hating Islam and understand their own shortcomings.

Annunaki ran away after I destroyed him through arguments and reasoning. Funny. That's what usually happens when I dismantle christians filled with hatred rather than open to discussion

Then why do christians keep having sex without marriage?

May be even christians know how pathetic christianity is and hence don't follow it.

Annunaki:
You say christianity is dead yet after 1,400 years of brutal islam, evil jihads and forceful conversions, islam is still far behind christianity in terms of absolute numbers, global spread and appeal. Christianity also remains the fastest growing religion in the world charging ahead with the world's most populated country(china) converting to christianity at an alarming rate. As I said earlier kontinu to delude yourself if it makes you sleep well at night.

lol, christianity had a head start of 600 years over Islam and yet with all the colonialism and exploitation, it still got rejected by majority of the world. Hell, even the very base of historical christianity (Europe) has rejected it and moved on with secularism and atheism.

Islam gained ~1.8 billion followers in less than 1450 years..Christianity took 2000+ years to do the same. Islam has been the most powerful and successful religion of history. No religion even comes close in terms of success, influence, and global spread in such short time (1435 years to be exact). Christianity couldn't even make it outside Europe in 1435 years lol..

And no, there aren't "more" christians in the world. As I have explained earlier as well..

[b]Nowhere in the world christianity has any influence left. It is a dead, humiliated, defeated thing everywhere. There's no countries based on christianity. No societies with christianity at their center. Christianity's only taken seriously in sub saharan africa but even they don't live a fully christian life and even sub saharan african countries have not based their constitutions on christianity.

While Islam is thriving globally wherever it exists. There are tens of nations that have Islam as the basis of their constitutions. Even in secular countries like Turkey--Islam is at the center of society and thriving. Even in Western World--Muslims are thriving, hijabs are common, halal food is everywhere, and thousands of new mosques build over the years.

Islam, as a religious force, is successful Mashallah--while christianity is a failure.

Sex before marriage, drugs, births out of wedlock, hedonism, gay marriage, divorce, mainstreaming of abortion, living without marriage, and non-traditional family are MAINSTREAM culture of "christians" in Latin America, U.S and rest of Europe. Toilet paper has more relevance to Westerners than "bible" and "christian" values. That's a fact. Even you know it, don't you?


Majority of those who you call "christians" in Latin America, U.S, and Europe are completely secular and irreligious people and they don't care at all about christianity. For them, even holidays like Christmas as CULTURAL holidays and NOT "religious" holidays. That's especially true for younger generation.[/b]

Whereas, as I stated, Islam is far more successful and influential than christianity on global scale. Even countries like Pakistan--which are powerful, nuclear-armed states with one of the most powerful militaries of the world-- are based on Islam and are Islamic republics as stated in their constitution.

Name any one powerful state based on christianity and bible? lols.

You see, Islam has already surpassed christianity in terms of "actual" practicing followers and global influence. The nominal numbers don't mean much.

We are NOT counting "nominal" numbers. For example, in America (where I live btw right now), the majority of "christians" are not christ followers. They don't even believe in Christ or take Bible as word of god. For them, since their parents were christians--they get 'registered' as christians. These "christians" don't read or care about bible..and they drink, do drugs, sex before marriage is normal, don't pray, don't believe in God, and even celebrate Christmas as a "cultural" holiday. Yet these irrelegious/non-believing people get registered as 'christians' because of their parents' registration with local churches and due to cultural reasons.

Majority of millennials in the U.S see Christmas as a cultural holiday and not as a religious holiday (since they don't care about christian religion to begin with)

Source: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/18/many-millennials-see-christmas-as-more-cultural-than-religious-holiday/

It becomes quite clear than these people aren't christians when we look take a further look at actual data.

For example, did you know that majority of kids born in America are[b] born out-of-wedlock?[/b]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103235/Most-children-U-S-born-wedlock.html

Yes, majority of kids in a country of 300 million!! You think christianity exists even remotely as a central pillar of American culture? LOL! Nobody even sh!t on bible here. Imagine a "christian" culture producing majority of kids without even marrying..lol! In American media, making fun of christianity is normal. christianity is banned from public schools and life. Nobody likes to identify with it openly. In essence, nobody really cares for it (or for god). And that's the largest and "most christian" nation of the Western World. Other Western nations have destroyed christianity amongst themselves EVER FURTHER

It is becoming kinda boring now how I have been consistently humiliating you with evidence, proofs, arguments, and data--while you shiver in your embarrassment and squeal like a puppy "but but christianity is good, Islam is bad *tears in eyes"...hahaaha!!!

Sorry buddy, christianity is a joke compared to the most influential and powerful religion on Earth--Islam! Mashallah! Nobody takes christianity seriously outside of sub saharan Africa--while Islam enjoys massive influence and support on GLOBAL LEVEL everywhere--in Africa, Asia, Middle-East, Europe, and even in United States (where Muslims are more practicing than the rest of population according to Pew and Gallop polls. I can share them too if you want )

Annunaki:
And I proved to you that the pew research result was faulty because it used Nigeria's discredited 2006 census figures as the bases for their flawed conclusions.

2006 Census wasn't flawed. You stated that Lagos population was 18 million but census just stated 9 million. However, upon research by independent French institute of demographics--it was revealed that indeed the population of Lagos was 9 million in 2006. So you see, the census wasn't flawed. The lying christian authorities of Lagos were flawed and they were badly exposed by independent researchers

And what about DHS survey then? Which wasn't based on 2006 survey but rather surveyed tens of thousands of Nigerians throughout the nation in 2013 and beyond, and still found that 52% of Nigerians were Muslim

You see, you are just catching on straws. Now I'm sure you'll say "This DHS data is also flawed because x, y, z..."

Basically all professional demographic organizations and independent researchers are flawed. Only you are right. LOLOL!

Such a pity. Can't digest reality, I know.

tartar9:
tell him o
the same Pakistan's economy he's talking of is being run according to the western system.

There's no "western system", genius.

Its called Free-market economics and free-market originally arose out of Islamic World in the time of Abbasid Era. If anything, entire world's economy is now based on what originally was developed by Islamic Civilization.

Here's famous anthropologist and economic historian, Benedikt Koehler, taking about how capitalism arose from early Islamic Civilization--which was the first-ever global civilization ever established by mankind (the second one was West).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sav7V4S2q0M

Annunaki:
What you muslims fail to realise is that christianity is not a political religion cause our kingdom is not of this world. We have separation of church and state. Unlike islam christianity does not seek to impose itself on people. However it is an undeniable fact that the most developed countries in the world are all christian majority countries.

Stop trying to deny facts in face of reality.

The reason christianity isn't found at the core of any nation is because christianity was destroyed by secularism and materialism. No one even sh!t on christianity. People have more value for toilet paper than bible here in the U.S and West. Ok, so if there are "christians" in these western nations--then why is premarital sex legal and part of culture? why is it accepted by parents? Why are drugs openly allowed and used when they are banned by bible? Why is gay marriage legal? Why women wear bikinis and other revealing clothes almost all of the times--especially in summer/spring. You know why? Because these people don't give a sh!t about christianity and they have left that mythological rubbish all together. Christianity has no influence or role in public life. Only place where christianity has some respect is sub saharan africa..that's all. lolol

While Islam is thriving globally and whereever it exists, it plays a central role in the culture and civilizations of that people. Islam, as I've described factually in above posts, is the most influential and most powerful religious force of humanity. Christianity is a joke compared to the gigantic Islam and Islamic civilization.

Don't talk about "Oh separation of church and state is christian" blah blah. Separation is the result of westerners throwing christianity out of public life..lolol...before that, christianity was basis of empires in Western world because christianity used to be taken seriously by west back then. But those were the dark ages and then west realized how pathetic and backward christianity was and threw it away into the garbage. That's how separation became.

Secularism exists in Turkey also...but how come Turkey is still so Muslim? yeah, because unlike failed and destroyed christianity, Islam is a successful and powerful religion. Even under secularism, Islam is THRIVING in Turkey with Islamic social conservative party AKP sweeping elections, Hijab being practiced by Turkish women freely, premarital sex being "unacceptable" to society's values, and Islam shaping much of Turkish culture where vast majority of population observes hardcore religious festival such as Ramadan which requires complete dedication of believers (No food and water for most of the day for 30 days! You can't get more dedicated than that! Turks practice Ramadan every year...while majority of western christians don't even touch bible or go to church even to christmas lol).

Sorry buddy, your excuses won't work. I live in the West. I know what i'm talking about. Christianity is a dead, destroyed, and completely forgotten thing in majority of the world except sub saharan africa. While Islam is thriving literally EVERYWHERE mashallah--even in the Western World where more and more mosques are being opened and Islamic culture is visible now.

Annunaki:
Fedex01 despite all your al taquiya, not even one islamic country is included in the top 20 countries by HDI neither do you have any islamic country in the G20 club of nations. It all goes to show that islam is the curse holding these nations back. What exactly does allaah do for his worshippers sef Cause all the evidence before me proves it's a very useless god.

Lol, illiterate person like you keep making a joke out of yourself.

Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey are in G20.

Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are Islamic countries with Islamic doctrines as the basis of their constitution.

While Turkey is a secular nation but has Islam at its center and has an Islamic party ruling over it.

Whereas, G20 doesn't have any christian countries. All the countries are atheistic/secular countries and christianity isn't given any respect in the public life in these countries--even if majority of population of these countries are registered as 'christians'...

JackBizzle:
You seem to not understand that Islam and Christianity have the same enemy- SECULARISM/ATHEISM.

I know.

And christianity got destroyed by atheism and secularism globally while Islam, although taken dents, have done much, much better in comparison to christianity. That's just facts.

Christianity might not have the influence it once had but it is far more powerful than Islam. Churches wield far more riches and influence than most islamic clerics.

How? lols.

You see, when I write, I make arguments--based on facts and reasoning. You just state one liners without any evidence. There's not a single country based on christianity. Majority of people in Western world are completely secular and don't care about christianity. Christianity doesn't dictate any policies in many nations. As I said, people in West and Latin Americas generally don't read or care about bible..and they drink, do drugs, sex before marriage is normal, don't pray, don't believe in God, and even celebrate Christmas as a "cultural" holiday. Yet these irrelegious/non-believing people get registered as 'christians' because of their parents' registration with local churches and due to cultural reasons and you say christianity is powerful? lols.

Majority of kids born in America are born out-of-wedlock? Yes, majority of kids in a country of 300 million!! In American media, making fun of christianity is normal. christianity is banned from public schools and life. Nobody likes to identify with it openly. In essence, nobody really cares for it (or for god). Yeah, really powerful christianity that is being humiliated everywhere lols.

Islam dwarfs christianity in terms of global influence and power.

"West" is more powerful than Islamic world, but west isn't "christianity" anymore. They are secular irreligious people.

Annunaki:
We have provided you with more than enough rebuttal even though your peanut sized brain could not comprehend it. Just pray your cowardly islamic leaders allow religion to be included in this year's census enumeration data and you will get all the evidence you need to know that less than 40% of Nigerians are muslims.

You haven't. You haven't provided any data like I have. All you have provided is your own opinions (Oh, I know all these Muslims who are Christians now. Oh 40% of North is christian now blah blah).

See, that's not "rebuttal"--that's your personal opinion. There's no data.

While I have provided data to you with PEW reports, latest DHS survey, and so on. And all of these data reports point towards Islam's growth in Nigeria.

Btw, nobody has provided me with any rebuttal to my claims in opening post and even other posts throughout the thread.

All the data does seem to be pointing towards Islam more favorably in terms of growth in Nigeria.

Slikbae:
thousands and thousands of scholars , archaeologistists and witnesses have come forth to prove that the bible is indeed infallible and holds truth, with so many ancient biblical artifacts uncovered and you sit here to say this crap?

Wrong. Those are just missionary propaganda to fool what they consider "lower people" (Nigerians like you).

I live in the United States--over here, almost all of the major scholars and scientists agree that bible isn't the word that can be attributed to god. Bible has been corrupted. We have hard evidence of that. There are thousands of mistakes within bible passages and difference bible manuscripts say different things. How to know which one is truth? No idea cuz we can't say which is right and which is wrong.

That's why people are leaving christianity in droves here. Not because of emotions, but because of hard evidence.

Sorry but you should search for truth in light of evidence rather than just sticking to one thing because thats what you identify with. God wants us to find HIM and HIS truth right? Then go with the evidence.

Why don't you watch some of Dr Bart Erhman's debates with other christian scholars? He totally dismantles them with evidence and even they agree with his findings that bible has indeed been corrupted. Even CATHOLIC CHURCH now agrees with this stance that bible has been corrupted over the years.

JackBizzle:
Nigeria is not a poor country either. The funds are just mismanaged

That being said, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have useless economies. You are just looking at the oil money they use to build fancy roads and structures.

These countries rank nowhere in the top ten developed countries in the world. They manufacture little and their service industry is lacking.

Lets not get carried away.

Saudi Arabia has one of the highest HDI in the world. They ARE developed. And did you really say that somehow Iranian and Pakistanis are similar to Nigerians? No disrespect but this is laughable.

Iranians have thrown their own satellites into space by using their own SLVs (one of the most advance technological machines ever built). Iranians make their own cars and have made their own missiles that can hit targets thousands of miles away.

Pakistanis have designed nuclear reactors and have developed miniaturized nuclear weapons. Do you know the magnitude required to build a miniaturized nuclear-reaction device? Only 6,7 countries have ever been able to do it in ENTIRE history!!!! And you say Pakistani economy is on same technological level as Nigerian economy? Please, don't embrace yourself.

That's like saying "Mexican economy is same as U.S economy" lols.

Btw, Pakistan has no oil. Yet they build their own fighter jets, tanks, construct french submarines in their docks, have their own missiles systems, and have one of the most advance agricultural system in the world.

JackBizzle:
What You fail to understand is that your islamic countries are not more holy or even more religious than the West.

Do you think that muslims in Saudi Arabia and the middle east are all holy? The only thing holding them back is the laws and ostracization they get from being apostates or doing something deemed unislamic.

In the UK, we see muslims from middle eastern origin drinking and eating pork. Do you think that people love religious laws?

Do you think that muslims in islamic countries dont have abortions, dont steal etc?


How many middle eastern princes have been caught fornicating, doing drugs and partying like mad men?


Come off your islamic high horse

Lol, characterization of facts wouldn't prove your point.

I never stated nor do I believe that *all* Muslims are holy. That'll be weird since it is impossible.

However, what I'm comparing is *relatively* Islam enjoy much, much more global influence as compared to Christianity. And hence Islam has been the most influential and powerful religion of history (and will remain as such because I see no religion challenging it in future and no religion can arise in future age due to scientific advance).

That is a simple fact. Premarital sex happens everywhere..but relatively, it happens much, much less amongst Muslims than Christians globally. That's a fact proven by data-based research. Again, *relatively* Islam is practiced by way more people than christianity is practiced by christians--it doesn't mean that ALL muslims practice Islam--I'm just talking about in terms of relativity.

You have not countered any of my posts on previous pages regarding how christianity is a dead thing of past while Islam is thriving. It shows that even YOU know what I'm saying is right.

Again, don't come back and say "But lots of Muslims also do balh blah"...I know. I'm talking about in relative terms. For example, 80% to 90% of 'christian' (lol) girls in U.S.A have sex with multiple guys before marriage. Whereas, only 5% to 10% of Muslim girls have the same in Pakistan--You see, in relative terms, Islam is being much, much more influence in shaping people's lives than christianity ever has. That's my point.

You can't shy away from reality.

Europeans are smart and educated. They wouldn't believe in things like bible which have been proven to be false by their own European scholars and researchers like Dr Bart Erhman (the single greatest biblical scholar alive today. Only man to have read ALL of the biblical texts available to humanity. He spend 30 years of his life studying ancient and new biblical texts as a christian scholar. He arrived at the conclusion that bible of today is corrupted and distorted version and there's no original bible left in the world).

Look him up.

JackBizzle:
Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran. These are countries that base their law on islam. Yet these countries have poverty, poor human rights records and poor women's rights records. (Iran is improving on their women's rights small sha)

Popularity of a religion does not translate to authenticity or correctness of the religion.

Even by popularity, there will still be more christians than muslims in 50 years to come.


Atheism is exploding in Saudi Arabia, so be careful.

Sister (presuming your a lady), you aren't getting my point somehow.

christianity is no way near more popular than Islam. We are NOT counting "nominal" numbers. For example, in America (where I live btw right now), the majority of "christians" are not christ followers. They don't even believe in Christ. For them, since their parents were christians--they get 'registered' as christians. These "christians" don't read or care about bible..and they drink, do drugs, sex before marriage is normal, don't pray, don't believe in God, and even celebrate Christmas as a "cultural" holiday. Yet these irrelegious/non-believing people get registered as 'christians' because of their parents' registration with local churches and due to cultural reasons.

It becomes quite clear than these people aren't christians when we look at actual data.

For example, did you know that majority of kids born in America are born out-of-wedlock? Yes, majority of kids in a country of 300 million!! In American media, making fun of christianity is normal. christianity is banned from public schools and life. Nobody likes to identify with it openly. In essence, nobody really cares for it (or for god).

There are parts of America where christians are present (actual christians who try to take it seriously)--but those parts are a small minority.

Similar situation can be found in Americas, and Europe. So no, christianity isn't more popular than Islam. Majority of "christians" in Latin Americas, Europe, and United States/Canada are not christian but they get registered as such due to cultural reasons. That's why none of the countries in the world even have bible or christianity in their construction. Because the populations of these nations aren't christian to be begin with. They are atheists with christian culture (they celebrate christmas, have european background and so on).

Islam on the other hand is respected and practiced by vast majority of populations across the Islamic World. Moreover, there are tens of Islamic countries in the world where Islam is the basis of constitution and so on. It is because Islam is practiced by these populations and they want Islam to be at the center of their lives since they are Muslims. Majority of "christians" would laugh at the idea of having christianity/bible at the center of their life--because they don't believe these mythical bullsh!ts.

And sorry, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia aren't poor countries lol. They are technologically far ahead to Nigeria and are much, much more modern and developed than sub Saharan Africa. Islamic Middle-East (GCC) are one of the richest and most developed places on entire Earth!

JackBizzle:
Interesting.

Just for the record: I have been to Western World. Lived there. I know what I'm talking about. They are completely secular and irreligious and they don't care about christianity. For them, even holidays like Christmas as CULTURAL holidays and NOT "religious" holidays. That's especially true for younger generation.

Whereas, as I stated, Islam is far more successful and influential than christianity on global scale. Even countries like Pakistan--which are powerful, nuclear-armed states with one of the most powerful militaries of the world-- are based on Islam and are Islamic republics as stated in their constitution.

Name any one powerful state based on christianity and bible? lols.

You see, Islam has already surpassed christianity in terms of "actual" practicing followers and global influence. The nominal numbers don't mean much.

Also, Islam gained ~2 billion followers in less than 1450 years..Christianity took 2000+ years to do the same. Islam has been the most powerful and successful religion of history. No religion even comes close in terms of success, influence, and global spread in such short time (1435 years to be exact). Christianity couldn't even make it outside Europe in 1435 years lol..

JackBizzle:
1) Your data itself shows that Islam won't catch up with christianity in 2050 despite its quick growth

I never stated it will. Duh.

2)

You are right, christianity is losing ground in Europe. But so also is Islam. The issue here is that increase in muslim immigrants from Asia and the middle east makes it seem as if Islam is growing in Europe.

Losing ground? lol, it has already lost it. Nowhere in the world christianity has any influence left. It is a dead, humiliated, defeated thing everywhere. There's no countries based on christianity. No societies with christianity at their center. Christianity's only taken seriously in sub saharan africa but even they don't live a fully christian life and even sub saharan african countries have not based their constitutions on christianity.

While Islam is thriving globally wherever it exists. There are tens of nations that have Islam as the basis of their constitutions. Even in secular countries like Turkey--Islam is at the center of society and thriving. Even in Western World--Muslims are thriving, hijabs are common, halal food is everywhere, and thousands of new mosques build over the years.

Islam, as a religious force, is successful Mashallah--while christianity is a failure.

Sex before marriage, drugs, births out of wedlock, hedonism, gay marriage, mainstreaming of abortion, living without marriage, and non-traditional family are MAINSTREAM culture of "christians" in Latin America, U.S and rest of Europe. Toilet paper has more relevance to Westerners than "bible" and "christian" values. That's a fact. Even you know it, don't you?

IkpuMmadu:
I think Christian is higher the whole south east and south south are Christian no Muslim indegenes now in west 60% are Christian in middle belt 70% are Christian even in north the adamawa are majority Christian even yola

So wherw is the Muslim population...

Great, so where's your data supporting "Middle is 70% Christian, West is 60% Christian blah blah"...Can you please share? Whats the population division amongst South, North, Middle, West etc? Any data in that regards? I'll be first to admit majority of Christianity in Nigeria if you guys provide me with evidence.

When I talk, I write with evidence, data, and research. When you folks talk--you just talk from your own brain as if you are somehow more qualified than demographers, UN, PEW, and everybody else pretty much.

Kindly, provide me with links to data..

Thanks.

Annunaki:
What kind of vicious lie is this Islam was spread across northern Nigeria through jihad and forced conversions by uthman danfodio who will be labelled a terrorist in modern times. Whilst the colonialist never imposed christianity on anyone. Christianity was spread by evangelising through the missionaries who went around doing good. I challenge you to quote one single credible source that says anybody was ever forced to convert to christianity by the colonialists.

HAHAAHAHAHA!!!! Is that what they teach you at lying missionary schools of South? LOL!

Hell, there are movies made by CHRISTIAN AMERICANS about how Europeans exploited Africans and forced/tricked them into Christianity while looting their resources.

Good works? You do realize that these European missionaries didn't give a sh!t about Gods words but were serving to the crown. As Europeans looted and raped Africans and their resources--and made them poor--the missionaries were specifically sent by the crown to pacify the African masses with dose of religion, so that Africans can be tricked into caring about stupid fairy tales of bible while their continent was being plundered.

You do realize that West itself has denounced christianity and has openly thrown it out of their society because even they realize its fake--while at the same time you are worshipping a white-man (jesus) given to you by same Europeans who don't care about christianity themselves.

Think about it for a sec

SirHouloo:
So islam wasn't force on you guys? Why can't you be realistic for once? So na oyinbo dey stay your land now? You were born with Islam? What Uthman Dan Fodio did has escaped your mind? Don't go too far, Ilorin is there. The missionary did good than bad, you can see the schools and facilities in the south, their level of education, they were given by the missionaries. Your not colonised area was given Almajiris and na by force o, a lot of your ancestors were killed for it.

Islam is more traditional to Nigeria than Christianity. Lets accept facts. There was no mass scale colonization and destruction to force Islam by outsiders on us. While Christianity was spread by white colonialists on what they saw as subhuman Africans.

Islam spread in Africa organically---and no Arab armies invaded Nigeria, plundered its peoples, and enforced Islam on them. While christianity was enforced in exact same fashion to you poor peoples.

You should be respectful and turn back to the religion of your ancestral land--which is Islam not Christianity.

Jesus is not God. He never claimed to be.

Jesus prayed to God. How can a god pray to himself? lols.

Jesus is just a prophet of God.

Annunaki:
You are very correct, in the south west the number of Aishas, sherifats, Hafeez, mohamed, shafiu, idris, imran, sikiru, zainab, abubaker, ibrahim etc that you find in churches is now very high. Infact I gather there is a church in ajah area of Lagos whose members are mostly ex muslim northerners.

A tsunami is happening right under the noses of these muslims and clowns like the OP are still deluding themselves that islam is growing through population owing to the randy nature of muslims

Nobody is deluding. I am just presenting facts and figures issued by various credible organizations such as PEW, DHS survey, and so on.

It is YOU guys who are just ranting from your own mouth about so-called conversions--while the data doesn't back it anywhere.

I have personally witnessed 4, 5 conversions to Islam (from Christianity) in our Mosque--but I don't bring em up, you know why? Because I believe in statisitical data and credible sources--not barking like idiot "Oh I saw this. Muslims dying. Oh I saw that" ...loool, where's your data buddy?

Even your OWN missionary Christian study that YOU shared states that there are 600,000 Christians from Muslim background are living in Nigeria today---that's after decades of so-called evangelization by colonialist white missionary organizations. LOL, what a fail. Even if we accept these figures which Christian missionary organizations are giving (hence unreliable numbers)--even then it is absolutely insignificant in terms of demographic change. In a country of 170 million+, 600,000 converts means 0.3%. loooooll..Talk about "miracle", "tsunami", and what not.

See, I was right all through Nigeria is on path to become a clear Muslim majority nation, Inshallah!

SirHouloo:
Why do you guys love banking on imaginations?
Aside Ethiopia and to an extent Liberia, which other country in africa wasn't colonised?
For your information, Liberia and Ethiopia are both christian dominated countries.
All liars shall perish in hell.

That's exactly my point.

Christianity spread in Africa only because of colonization, enslavement, humiliation, and destruction of Africans by Europeans.

European whites forced Christianity on Africans and took their lands. And you guys are so idiots that you are following a fake religion that was imposed in you by your oppressors.

Lol!

jcross19:
stop wasting your time and giving yourself a zero hope. The number of muslims or christians are nothing than your salvation. And let me tell you this issue of muslims lies is killing them even in nigeria many I mean many muslims are turning to christ why? Because of what's happening around the globe. Don't deceive yourself. islamic is loosing its ground in those war zone because of christians are penetrating in form of red cross, the greatest blow is this issue of muslims migrant to europe , I mean most will loose their faith to christianity or atheist. No apostacy no islam.

I am just presenting stats and facts, why are you so hyper?

It is christianity that is a dead, defeated, destroyed thing in the Europe, U.S, and Latin Americans with no respect---a humiliated, defeated relic of the past and nobody cares about it. No one really cares about it or its teachings and sex outside of marriage, hedonism, living together without marriage, revealing clothes/bikinis, not-going to church, greed etc is mainstream culture of these lands. It has been proven by scientific studies as well that Christianity is a dead, defeated thing in majority of the "christian" world. Everybody threw christianity out of their society and countries are based on godless non-christian laws where homosexuality is legal, sex before marriage is legal, children are born out of wedlock, there is no christian values in education system, divorce is rampant, drugs are legal, and so on.

Islam on the other hand is thriving globally--even in Western world.

I don't write frustrating paragraphs like you. I back all of my claims with data, evidence, and credible sources. Look at post#6 of this thread to see how I've demonstrated by points by using credible data from world organizations such as PEW, Gallop, and so on.

And regarding your point of migrants--there are MILLIONS of Muslims already living in West--why haven't they left Islam til now? LOL

Jews of sub-saharan Africa will continue to migrate towards Israel, I presume. That's why their numbers are declining.