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Roland17:
Na so..We must not critique Arteta oh!

Even when it is obvious. Because e mean say we hate Arteta

Una well done oh!!!

UK fans don't joke with NLD..
They'll not take it easy

Roland17:
Baba, critiquing Arteta does not mean we hate him, it does not mean we want him fired, it does not mean we don’t support him. We loved him as a player, more as a captain, an ambassador of the club and now a coach. That does not mean we should continue to shield him from obvious mistakes without honest feedbacks.

I want Arteta to succeed and I know most Arsenal fans want him to so I don’t understand this construed idea that critiquing Arteta after a year of shielding him means we hate him. I am tired of these losses and don’t condone mediocrity.

As an Arsenal fan especially one who knows the history of this club, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to condone a loss against Spuds!! I don’t care but not against Spuds..There is absolutely no excusable reason that justifies a loss to Spuds even in a 4 aside.. that is the extent of the rivalry that makes the game what it is...

Maybe I am just too old schooled.

Your criticism analysis is spot on,I like reading fans not condoning mediocrity, that's how top fans do, I want to believe Chelsea and utd are up there because they give it hot to their coach players and management.

Its like everyone is relaxed at Arsenal until fans begin to boycott games, protest and make the club lose money.
No wonder Morinho once said Wenger had s dream job, the Job at Arsenal is easy.

Imagine Chelsea sacked Sarri after winning Europa,losing carabao final to city and finishing 3rd.
Utd sacking Mourinho after winning 3 trophies in a year.
I'm not calling for sacking o, but I want an Arsenal who from the fans to the players and board want to win every game and bin that #Process talk Wenger scammed us with.


Btw, I used to think Only UK fans hate spurs this much.

Roland17:
Arteta.. I need you to listen carefully.

I don’t care if Spuds are competing for the title and we are battling relegation.. I don’t care if it is in the EPL, Cup or street ball, losing to Spuds is not an option to me.

WE CAN NOT LOSE ON SUNDAY!!!

I already read some Arsenal fans saying " What is so special in losing to league leaders? I won't be surprised to read " Tottenham are good and finshied project and Arsenal are still rebuilding.

BTW, I like the bolded, this is the spirit, and not we created much chances today yamayama talk.

[quote author=Roland17 post=96733182[b]]I think you guys are construing strong criticism of Arteta to imply anyone is asking for his head.[/b] I don’t think anyone on this thread is remotely asking for Arteta to be fired.. that would be ridiculous but I am in support of giving him some critical feedback because for a while, Infact since he got hired, we have excused some of his obvious tactical mistakes and blamed players especially this season.

I know Arteta was not my first choice before we hired Ebening, neither was he was choice after Ljunberg but I support the guy 100% and desperately hope he succeeds because I am aware of the rot he inherited.[/quote]Thank you bro, I was beginning to get sick of the Fa cup and Charity cup trophy reasons, Teams who didn't strengthen as Arsenal in the window are playing better and doing fine on the table.

I read Chelsea fans almost asking for Lampard's sack just because they were far below in the table earlier in the season, and they were not giving him the excuse of he got them to UCL last season without any major signing in his first TWindow, To me, that's big or bigger than a cup trophy, similar with Ole at utd, so you can smell mediocrity and high standard from the 3 fans.

I don't want my Arsenal so down in the league and only doing fine against farmers in Europa and cup games. I cannot cope,cooperate, endure or understand.

Btw, I don't have much issue with Arterta just like I hadn't with Emery and ljumberg. I just want him do away with trashy players from the first eleven or the team entirely.

I don't want contract extension for deadwoods, or appearing like he's okay/confident in them.

But I'll agree with the Let the season end before we can start strong criticism.

sod09:
I just they laff those way they compare ole/lampard to arteta
Na end of season i they wait for

Okay. I wan ask something..

Who had the better/best season by may 2021?

Arterta finishing 7th, and winning Carabao cup

Lampard finishing 3rd and getting to Round 8 of UCL

OLe finishing 4th and getting to UCL semi final.

BlueRayDick:
Arteta won the F.A cup and community shield in less than a year as a rookie manager. Giving him the same heat as Good Ebening would make little or no sense

Not when Spurs are topping the table, not when the Bpl trophy they so desire is far out, not when they are experiencing the worst start ever after having strengthened in 2 Twindows.

All these Rookie stuffs don't hold water, Lampard, Ole, Gerrard, Zidane never had it this worse when they started.

Arsenal fans are the most impatient, they boycotted Emirates, displayed Wenger out placards and eventually got him sacked after he won 2 trophies in 2017.

Roland17:
Arteta and the Board are a very lucky the fans have been away because they would have not tolerated this Ozil nonsense. Ozil has like a cult following with the fans..They are very vocal!!!

I said the same thing, the fans would have given Artera heat they gave Emery last year.

Jodera:
omo... I remember that stat well well . You no dey forget oo.

Anyways, the day cazorla went to injury and xhaka was introduced was the beginning of the end of that midfield.

And your last paragraph(italicized part).. That's exactly what we wanted to tell people who will always say good defence anyday over good midfield and attack. Defence will always always suffer and look mediocre if midfield (esp) and attack is poor. See as Gabriel was made to look ordinary cos of the ingenuity of pondence and Tierney was rag-rugged that day by Adama. All because our midfield was overwhelmed that day.

Even the game of man u was won because of good midfield plays by partey and elneny who won balls time and time again and launched counter or progressed play excellently. Not saying the defence wasn't good that day but they weren't under pressure until I think the last 5min of the game. I could remember vividly that man u have only one clear cut chance in the 1st half which fell to greenwood. That's because partey and elneny really neutralized man u attack before it even started. And that's Exactly what good midfield will do for you.

I no dey forget o

The bolded is the truth I've been preaching since 1900, Play Cebbalos Guen ,Torreia even Elneny along Xhaka and see how they'll start well but decline later.
I can bet Partey will be infected with the side,back and slow midfield football with xhaka
beside him.

To think Wenger choose over kante at lesser price still hurts.

iamoyindamola:
It will always happen because the midfield can't move ball, can't help defence or attack
LFC midfíelders will press you like breast you won't get a sniff on the defence if not for injuries

The likes of Ndidi, Ricardo peirera, Harvey Barnes and Vardy will not give you breathing space.
I read from a Leicester fan saying he would prefer Vardy all day to Auba, that Vardy works hard and Auba looks too lackadaisical and soft for their standard.

Spy360:
Not that you have made a life changing point.

Arteta's decision to strengthen defense first was the right thing to do. Had he had Ozil available it would have been a lot different for him and all these talk will not arise. Let's hope good sense will reign in January and we get a decent AM to complete the team.

I feel The defense looks good mainly because of the system Arterta play, when off the ball, notice how everyone sits back and leave no space for opposition to dwell anyhow.

Also, Ozil or another AM won't change things a lot, what is needed is a Sanchez like in the LW
( Saka, Martinelli and Nelson) are still not ready for a full season IMO, they should be eased in, fatigue and diminishing return will set in).
I admitted this with Guen last year.

A carzola type who can arrive in the box, shoot with both feet and constantly drive at opposition with power and pace.

And a powerful pace RW like Oxlade,Adama and Douglas Costa.

Btw, I just discovered a very good CF and AM/LW from Mochenglabach, they are Alessano Plea and Marcos Thuram(son of Lilian Thuram) respectively. Unfortunately Arsenal scouts are/have been sleeping.

Roland17:
Egbon, I dey stand on top this table when you shake oh. Lol. Please be camming down small small.

We no talk say make dem no improve attack, we just talk say investing in our defense will save us some points and that has been the case this season. Gabriel has been our standout player on both ends of the field. We need to improve our attack for sure but I can’t understand for the life of me why Arteta can’t get anything out of our current players. I mean, at least an attacking identity.

I remembered how Mustafi, Holding etc were very good when they arrived, Mustafi had this stat of " We don't lose when Mustafi starts till December of the year he he was signed" but later on when the game got intense with a xhaka covering him, Sanchez, Coq and Carzola"s departure, Mustafi turned a pascal cygan and Squilacci.

You noticed how Podence deleted Gabriel? I fear Even Gabriel will begin to look ordinary or poor.

The attack needs strengthening to ease pressure off the defence.

sod09:
wahala
i am having this feeling we will meet ebening v'real

Shey the fans will hail or boo him after 90mins?

Jodera:
Lol... I've come to agree Emery is a right or good coach but a wrong one for us.

His teams play energetic football and aren't boring (except for arsenal). But why I feel he's the wrong one for us is that he wasn't able to effectively communicate his setups and tactics to his arsenal squad. They were times I read the squad were having it difficult to hear what he was saying and they instead meet Ljumberg to break down what he has said. So I just feel it's breakdown of communication that undid Emery's reign at arsenal.
No wonder he's rediscovered his mojo back Villarreal.
Another thing to note of him is that I feel he can't handle a big club.



But As for Arteta case, I feel he doesn't trust his squad enough. Where the mistrust or distrust came form, I don't seem to place it. But the sooner he realizes that and fix it, the better for arsenal and our results.

God bless you for coming clean and admitting the facts about Ebening.

Like I've been saying, Arsenal's problem is depper than coaching, for me, its the players and those scouting/suggesting them for this club.

Even if Ebening speaks Queen's English, he can't turn Xhaka to Gilberto, turn Bellerin to Cafu,Pepe to Mane and Mustafi to Ferdinand.

Emery shot himself by believing and trusting those lads, same way Arterta is doing.

The Sevilla Emery's team that won 3 Europa was the reason I believed him, they played fast,hard attacking Spanish football, I remembered how they schooled klopp's liverpool 3-0 at the 2015 finals..Even his PSG side were entertaining but with a bad/average defence.
A coach cannot win 3 Trophies in Europe, 7 trophies in France and be poor/bad.

He might not be a World class coach but far from being bad as Arsenal made him look, and that to me is the reason top coaches like Allegro,Poch,Ancelkoti,Mou etc were not eager for the Arsenal job last year. Nobobdy wants his CV stained.

It will take Arsenal good scouting teams who can discover players like Maddisom,Grealish,Podence,Jota et Al. Without spending huge millions.

iamoyindamola:
Coincidentally, ebening Villarreal was playing the same time these fvckers were playing against la Liga leader.
Come and see man for man marking and energetic gameplay
The match ended 1-1

And the Villarreal players are not superstars or £75M, they are just players who understands basics,attack with bravery and stand tall like a team.
Who knows if Arterta sef handle Chelsea team, he could do well, and it'll boil down to the players...

When Pepe was missing empty net,Laca wasting chances, xhaka doing Xhaka things,Mustafi,Sokratis,Kola,Leno etc doing giveaways, I said the players are 60% to be blamed but most people were just pointing everything at Emery.

For me. Its 60% players fault, not even Pep or Klopp will do wonders with the team, they'll just go on an honey moon winning streak,win some big games or even those league cups only to capitulate later on in the league.

Jodera:
Lol... I know that I was with you against this "defence wins you league" esp when your midfield and attack is weak.
But mehn, this one is pass that slangs. Arteta is really really undoing this team, his tactics and style are really affecting the team.

Arterta OUT.

iamoyindamola:
Abi o
We told people here how xhaka is so awful, they say he's better as squad player

I don't even like him as a squad or anything.. I'll never forgive Wenger for bringing in him @ £35 ahead of Kante £30, Wanyama £17M.

In fact, Xhaks was the reason I like jerry curl, he made Guen looked like Camoranessi in my eyes, I was just never going to like him in my team.

Go to YouTube and see their videos and compare. I Knew Emery and Arterta will fail for making him an integral part of thier squad.

kokaneprodigy:
Where are all those defence wins you league?

If defence wins you league Atletico Madrid/Simeon should be winning all trophies, yet they’ve been trophyless for as long as I know.

The Liverpool VVD example y’all keep giving forgetting Liverpool was already formidable attackwise.

There is something attack does for you reason I was emphasizing on AM and DM before CB. When you have a good attack and midfield your opponents first task is to device ways to contain you, before considering attacking. This gives your defence line breathing space.

But when they know you are no threat attackwise, they will bombard the living day light out of you even if you have 2 VVDs it’s just a matter of time they’ll cave. Couple with the fact that you are lame in attack and can hardly score goals of your own.

But it seems if you don’t type long English and use technical jargons, you don’t know ball.

Play Ozil it can’t be worse than this, I was tagged Ozil fan boy. A lot of peeps here are just myopic I swear.

This is the first time in a long time( Since Giroud days) I'll agree with Mr Kokane.

I hope/long to see more sweet stuffs from you, atleast Emery and Guen is out of the picture.

Yes, I believe even with average defence, if your attack is hot, your opposition won't even have time to attack you anyhow.

29th November 2019: Arsenal sack Unai Emery with Arsenal in 8th on 18 points

29th November 2020: Arsenal lose to Wolves at home and sit 14th with 13 points

What a difference a year makes...

Mikel Arteta is the first Arsenal manager to lose three consecutive home league games since Terry Neill in March 1977

And another thing - the 7.15pm Sunday can go to hell

iamoyindamola:
When a coach retain xhakaand loan out torreira
At this stage we go prostrate for Jerry curl and ozil to come back
Ceballos is the mother of useless, willock is the father while xhaka is the grandfather

Some of our MCM no go chop blame..
Mustafi
Ozil
Guendixi
Torreira

Even Pepe.

Lana1:
Fkhalifa "i told you so posts" incoming...
https://images2.imgbox.com/82/14/t3c8kCYZ_o.gif

Badt guy.

I don talk am tey tey, but Brother LKokaneprodigy believed Emery and Guendoxi were the problem.

Leyqute:
SACK OLE NOW!!!

You still want OLE sacked?

Arsenal fans discussing Jack wilshere AMX Erickson is depressing..

BTW,
William Gallas on Instagram: "This result (Tottenham v City) confirms what I said a few weeks ago. It’s a London team which will win the Premier League this year. After seeing Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham played, I already know that it won’t be Arsenal who will win the Premier"

kodded:
every style of football requires a certain type of players

the type of attackers we have can not play the sexy one-two football the fans are clamoring for

take goals away from aubameyang and you will realise that he is no diffrent from nkeitah

lacazzette, willian and pepe are in the same whatsapp group

our only hope is on martinelli, Saka and Nelson but right now only the latter is fiht the other two are currently injured


modified: when you look at the midfield you will realise that we have only one attacking minded midfielder and the player is not even registered

Bolded is true and funny.

You've said the correct thing regarding the parallel lines of the players and the sexy football fans are clamouring for.

With Iwobi,Mhicky and Ozil it was still fair drab football under Emery, now with Saka only, it has graduated to pure haram football..

Massive upgrade in the attacking front and even Tony pulis would do well.

Jodera:
One thing with entertaining football is that, once your team is settled with the system, you can easily resolve your defence(if your defence isn't strong enough). Liverpool did it, Chelsea done it now(tho still not certified, we'll wait till this season ends to know how far).

Even Wenger created the system too, but failed to strengthen his defence which was why he was underachieving in the league.

What I'm just saying is that Arteta should try and create attacking system for us to build on(that's what big team does), especially as we have good defence. These his type of "defence first approach" won't take us anywhere, as it'll take away the fear factor the we once had against even small teams. And to be sincere, that's not sustainable for a big club, esp a club like ours.

Then that takes us back to what I used to say Here, The entire front 4 needs to be moved on including Auba..I'm sorry its my opinion.

A Sanchez like is needed at LW, one who can track back, win balls back, start attack, run and delete players on the way with fast dribblings, cuts and shoot, arrive in the box, exchange fast passes with CF,LB and AM with a good shooting power and energy to burn...

A Douglas Costa,Robben,Di maria, or fast paced Oxlade,Adama Traore is needed at RW to break teams down, cut and shoot.

An AM like Carzola,Hleb,Iniesta,Debruyne..who will not only rely on killer pass to create, but run at defence, take players on, always ready to receive ball and progress it, shoots far and near goal post, arrive in box and exchange passes with wingers, CF and full backs.

Then an hardworking CF who won't rely on tap ins, one who will drop deep or to the flanks to create space or individual goals.

Failure to get this means Arsenal will continue to be a midtable team and play ugly football no matter who the club hires as coach.

Arsenal do not need to spend £70M to get these players, just get good scouts who've got eyes like those who saw Hleb,Rosciky,Sagna,Maddisom,Kante,Mahrez etc.

Jodera:
Huh? That pattern Arteta played when he started was 10x better than what we're playing now.
It's better to go back to that pattern then work our improvement from there, than to do this present pattern that's torturing us now.

Would you rather Arterta attack and get cricket scores like 3-2 wins 2-2 draws, 1-4 loss, 3-3,/draw, 4-2 wins against midtable and low teams. OR play cautious football and keep result tight at 1-0, 2-1 and relying on sit back/counter against big teams?..

Arteta to me, wants points,wins and trophies than entertaining football as that will keep him in job.

Jodera:
And you think it's not the way the midfield is setup that's why you feel we're that bad?
But then, that doesn't negate the fact sha that we have average midfielders.
Looking at our midfield is an eyesore.
Looking at the attack is even worse

How did we get here?

It's the personnel, There's a reason Arsenal's best midfield play was at utd.
Elneny and Partey have energy to burn, they keep running, wanting the ball, joining attack and helping defence..
Xhaka will not give you that, he's too static and predictable with his passes, Ceballos romance the ball like he is Spain.

The attack has been average since the days of Emery of using Auba and Laca together, but because they score and do that yeye handshake, fans thought Arsenal have the best forward in Europe.

Iwobi was still putting pressure, winning corners, but his end product prompted his sale and buy of Pepe.

I'm afraid AM alone won't solve this, the entire front 4 needs upgrade.

Jodera:
Are you saying arsenal midfield is worse than Leeds and aston villa man to man?

I'll say so, Don't let get deceived by names, that Ceballos is from Madrid doesn't mean jack..except Partey who is still new, can't judge for now.
Let's ask ourselves, Which Arsenal midfielders have impressed like Alex Song, Carzola, Coq and even Ramsey over the past 2/3 years.

We can't continue to blame/sack managers for them.

The Avilla and Leeds midfielders were mobile, defending, attacking, winning duels for 90+mins. They don't need to have big names or media hype, it is what we see.
Xhaka( Average below average).
Ceballos( good but inconsistent and not W.class).
Elneny( hardworking not W.class)
Willock( Either not good or not ready)
..

See Kovacic and Kante, they cover grounds, support attack, help defense and good with the ball.
Leeds and Villa were slicing through that midfield and defending/winning ball backs also.

Eawwal:
Arteta's style of football is too negative. I notice our midfielders hardly join the attack, they stay back to defend when we're attacking including all our defenders. When attacking we hardly have more than 2 players in the opponents box 18,how do we expect to score when we attack with few players, in contrast to Leeds, they attack with all their forwards and midfield, at some point when Leeds are attacking I counted like 5 of their players players in our box expecting the ball to score even before Pepe was red carded.

Our style of play is an eyesore and I don't want to believe all the faults lies on the players. Most of the blame is on Arteta, I read his post match conference, it does not inspire confidence at all, he said he was happy with the performance and results. I'd take Emery's football over the nonsense we've been playing under Arteta.

You would still blame Arterta if he attacks and lose 4-3, he prefers to keep things tight because he doesn't trust the defenders on highline.

Wenger and Emery attacked teams and they created chances, score but concede lots as well.
Arsenal do nor have fast midfielders who can run all 90 mins defending and attacking..
The midfielders can't recover should they attack in numbers like Leeds.

Artrta prefers to defend than attack and expose his defense. Atleast he won trophy and some big teams with this approach.

Btw, Emery is sitting 2nd in laliga and he isn't playing haram football, neither did he at PSG and Sevilla.

Arsenal need to invest in modern day energetic talented players, else this present crop will make klopp look like Tony Pulis.

Jodera:
As in I tire.

The greatest surprise is how our defence didn't concede goal since 56th minute

Not every time will the opposition miss chances and hit woodwork.
The scoreline will paper the cracks as usual.

Jodera:
I've been saying our front 4 is bang average. That's the worst of our department.
Of all, I'll just give Auba a slack cos, he's not playing in his natural position and when he does play, the chances doesn't come enough.

But you see those our wingers??... Na pure pipe dem be

You see that Rodrigo's impact in that few minute? Leeds looked like scoring hitting bars over and over..Arsenals front4 will just be playing like a championship side and no matter how hard the defense and Goalkeeper tries, they'll surely crack after much pressure.

Leeds pierced the defense, Arsenal could have conceded 3 like the villa game, and fans will begin to blame Bellerin and Holding and even entire back line.
But thanks to woodwork and bad finishing from Leeds.

iamoyindamola:
Who ever authorized the purchase of Pepe should be hanged by his balls

Josh kroenke..
He told you guys " be excited after the "We care do you? protest in America " and gbam social media and everywhere went haywire. They quickly sell Iwobi to raise some dough.
I wanted Zaha,Carrasco or Soarez.

[quote author=kokaneprodigy post=96328509]It’s not worse at least they don’t concede anyhow, creativity is the issue. Reason I was a proponent of fixing the midfield first before defence but some felt otherwise.

I don’t have strength for back and forth argument and I’m tryin to avoid posts that will irritate me. Reason I unfollowed thread, and announced it.

Kindly respect my choice and not mention me on this thread.

Modified: blame is on Arteta, just to answer your question [/quote]
Well, I feel its high time we started blaming players.. The front 4 were/have been useless/average.
Willock
Pepe
William
Auba.

Just Saka alone coming on made Arsenal looked like scoring.
We cover players too much and point everything at coaches.