TV/Movies › Re: Hitv Or Hi Rubbish? by folem: 7:00pm On Jul 02, 2008 |
Mustay: If hitv is truly Nigerian, why is the header of their website
info@hitv.com.ng League Table | League Fixtures | Site Map | Contact Us
They are still giving the impression that e'thing is all about the premiership w.r.t sports @ HiTV everything is European Football & Naija sports can go hang! |
Politics › Re: June 12, 1993 - A Myth? by folem: 6:04pm On Jun 24, 2008 |
noetic: what i think does not matter here. the overall output of the banning and unbanning, integrity or otherwise produced a free n fair election. where d elections rigged? please say sometin else. An unfree and unfair process cannot produce a Free n Fair election. Garbage In Garbage Out. noetic: are u confused? No. Are you? |
Politics › Re: June 12, 1993 - A Myth? by folem: 5:41pm On Jun 24, 2008 |
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Politics › Re: June 12, 1993 - A Myth? by folem: 5:00pm On Jun 24, 2008 |
noetic: so how does your book below change the fact that june 12 was d freeest and fairest election ever in nigeria. lets examine it together personal opinions and testimonies do not neccessarily conjure up and form the truth. the truth amounts to verifiable events and not subject to personal interpretations or emotions.
yes. ibb aided abiola. but did 14 million nigerians not vote? did tofa not make attempts to congratulate abiola on his victory until he was otherwise ordered? did abiola not win the elections? did nigerians not come out to fight in their capacity for that mandate? is the annulment not the greatest undoing of the babangida era? is june 12 still not celebrated today?
get your facts straight. until we expirience another free n fair election in nigeria, where d wishes of d people is/are respected, june 12 will continue to serve as a yardstick for elections in nigeria The extent to which an election is free and fair, is determined by the freedom with which the adult citizens of a country can participate in it as voters. In an electoral system in which primaries are conducted by political parties for members of each party to elect their candidates, this freedom of participation has to include the freedom to form political parties which can contest elections and to vote for, or against, candidates in the party primaries. This freedom was denied to the citizens of Nigeria in the presidential election primaries of 1993 which produced Chief M. K. O Abiola as one of the two presidential candidates. The convention of the Social Democratic Party (SDP) which was held in Jos on Saturday, 27th March, 1993, in which 5,215 delegates voted and Chief Abiola won with a majority of 272 votes, cannot by any democratic standards be regarded as free and fair. This is because the S.D.P itself was decreed into existence in 1989 by the Armed Forces Ruling Council. In fact, the formation of the SDP and the National Republican Convention (NRC), violated all universally acceptable democratic principles of party formation. Do you think that the SDP and NRC were products of the free will of the Nigerian electorate? Do you think the banning & unbanning of candidates in a haphazard manner is fair? Do you think the Babangida Transition programme has any integrity? FYI IBB started the annulment "craze" when he cancelled the parties formed and decreed the SDP & NRC into existence in "a little to the left & a little to the right" gimmick and if another election were to hold after June 12 with IBB still in power, there will be yet another annulment. Bashir Tofa like all losers in any Nigerian election also started complaining about irregularities including a claim that Abiola campaigned illegally on election date by wearing a dress with SDP logo on it (actually a unicorn instead of a horse) and it may probably take an election tribunal to rule on that. The decree on which the election was based also invalidated the election if the results were not released in a specific time period. The fact that the election tribunal was not allowed to adjudicate on the election before annulment means anything claimed on the election remains that. The IBB Transition programme was just an expensive charade. |
Politics › Re: June 12, 1993 - A Myth? by folem: 12:58pm On Jun 23, 2008 |
moHot: or can anyone else prove it? Did you actually read that book? |
Politics › Re: Nigeria Is The 6th Largest Oil Producing Nation Yet The Poorest.why? by folem: 8:09am On Jun 22, 2008 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Mugabe Won't Quit! by folem: 5:47pm On Jun 20, 2008 |
If the reverse was the case and Nigeria was Zimbabawe, many of these Mugabe (---- Fill-in-the-Gap-4-naijas-equivalent) or ZANU-PF (---- Fill-in-the-Gap-4-naijas-equivalent) lovers will be calling on US & Britain to intervene and save our country.
But then, the Zimbos must be very docile people for the senile Mugabe to be commiting all the attrocities he is doing without a suicide bomber finishing him off. |
Politics › Re: June 12, 1993 - A Myth? by folem: 12:24am On Jun 17, 2008 |
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Politics › Re: Who Is Harcourt To Own Port Harcourt? by folem: 10:30am On Jun 09, 2008 |
landis: Thought Provoking,
what is in a name?
Nigeria was named by Lugard's wife when he was on top of her; could that be why Nigeria is so messed-up?
 Lagos is also a Portuguese name. Africa is European in origin. @ landisThe info I have was that Flora Shaw was actually on top.  |
Foreign Affairs › Re: 10 Similarities Between Obama And Yaradua by folem: 5:18pm On Jun 05, 2008 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: Speech By Former President Of Apaartheid South Africa by folem: 5:11pm On Jun 05, 2008 |
Urban Legend.
It is not true. |
TV/Movies › Re: Hitv Wins Uefa Champions League Tv Rights: by folem: 10:08am On May 23, 2008 |
urfriend: @ folem, till when all the sports bodys in nigeria organized them selfs.gtv paid over $2.7million for the ghana's football league,because the ghana fa know what it wants.let the nigeria sports bodies put them self in order. http://www.kickoffnigeria.com/static/news/article.php?id=1880NFA sign N1 billion deal with DAAR/AITThe NFA and DAAR Communications on Tuesday in Abuja formally signed a four-year contract worth N1 billion (US$ 8 Million) for the broadcast rights to games involving all the national teams. NFA chairman, Sani Lulu Abdullahi said at the contract signing ceremony that the deal was worth N250 million (US$ 2 Million) a year, and will run until 2011. Other stations are also supporting Nigerian football unlike HiTV. http://www.kickoffnigeria.com/static/news/article.php?id=1477 |
Politics › Re: Over-celebrate, But Under-achieve by folem: 8:09am On May 18, 2008 |
True. Over-celebrating winning Schoolboy's (U-17) FIFA World Cup as if it was the real thing or Lagos Governor also over-celebrating a school kid who participated in a debate in the British Parliament but fraudulently proclaiming he won the debate and going on to award gifts and scholarships. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=117850.msg2044146#msg2044146 |
TV/Movies › Re: Hitv Wins Uefa Champions League Tv Rights: by folem: 3:16pm On May 08, 2008 |
urfriend: @ folem, till when all the sports bodys in nigeria organized them selfs.gtv paid over $2.7million for the ghana's football league,because the ghana fa know what it wants.let the nigeria sports bodies put them self in order. Glo did not wait for an "utopian" level of organisation by the sports bodies in Nigeria before it put some good money down. Glo signed a N3.5 Billion (US$29 Million) for the title sponsorship of Nigeria Football league. Other TV stations are supporting other African Leagues on TV too. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/7106171.stm |
Politics › Re: British Airways Regrets Maltreatment Of Nigerians by folem: 1:50pm On May 08, 2008 |
texazzpete: Dammit!
are you clowns aware it's standard operating procedure to handcuff any non-voluntary deportee while on a plane? It's done to citizens of EVERY country. No one wants to take the risk of having someone loose on the plane that's so emotionally distressed.
Ignorance is the main driving force behind some of the sillly arguments i've heard in this forum. If you cannot question why the female deportee was struggling, then i don't know what to say to you. The deportee was a Man, Augustine Eme who is a member of Massob according to some reports. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/a-world-of-casual-racism-exposed-at-ba-815842.html |
Politics › Re: What Can A Citizen Do About The Nigerian Police - Read This by folem: 1:27pm On May 08, 2008 |
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TV/Movies › Re: Hitv Wins Uefa Champions League Tv Rights: by folem: 3:01pm On May 07, 2008 |
When will HiTV win rights to show any Nigerian Sport?
Charity begins @ home. |
Politics › Re: New Speaker Appointed- Honourable Dimeji Bankole by folem: 9:55am On Apr 28, 2008 |
Kobojunkie: @Folem, is that article then saying that what she did was not wrong?? You are free to jump to your own conclusions. If you read some of the earlier comments, I predicted that the amount that will be eventually spent on the Speaker's house renovations will surpasss the one earlier proposed by the former Speaker. In addition to the renovations, N600 million is being budgeted to purchase guest houses for the Speaker and his deputy in “the Lagos area” now (without the car purchases). |
Politics › Re: Why Have We All Neglected The Grass Root? by folem: 12:26am On Apr 28, 2008 |
The root of our political problems starts with the neglect of governance at the grassroots. The Military had nothing to do with Local government politics and the effects linger on. The Nigerian elite are usually less than humble to start their political education at the grassroots. A case in point is Pat Utomi who was a novice but his 1st shot at an elective position was contesting for the Presidency.
If more sucessfull people get involved in Local Government Politics, the impact will be more keenly felt by the generality of the people. |
Politics › Re: New Speaker Appointed- Honourable Dimeji Bankole by folem: 12:06am On Apr 28, 2008 |
http://www.tribune.com.ng/27042008/around_and_about%20.html
" They didn’t know that their rump would be exposed by a mere breath of air. I wasn’t surprised, therefore, that members of that House were reported to have allocated to themselves a whopping N114, 054 for their daily bread. N114, 000 for the man who you say you voted for to eat per day, when you are finding it hard to buy a kongo of rice which costs N400!
It is much more mind-boggling because there are many out there who have not spent as much on their food in their entire life but, then that is not of concern to the Dimeji Bankole-led House. After reading this from a national daily on Sunday, a friend said in consternation that, even if one was to eat a whole elephant, it could not have cost up to that. I think so too.
Pray, what in God’s name would make the Bankole-led House appropriate for each member this ridiculous, insensitive and outrageous amount for food in one day? What were they thinking? I have not found a worse form of gluttony and corruption than this especially from the same people who are fond of pontificating and probing this and that. Another friend has just joked that I should worry less because the Reps allocated so much because they were forward-looking, that soon world prices of food will escalate to the extent that their N114, 000 will be just right. That is simply stealing and it becomes worse that President Yar’Adua had to succumb to the threat from this same House over the budget which the president didn’t want to sign because he said it was skewed in favour of the lawmakers.
The Reps, according to the newspaper report, did not stop there. They are planning to spend N1, 720, 000, 000 on purchase of office equipment while it would also spend another N600 million on computers and Integrated Information Technology Project and Infrastructure. It will spend another N250million on intercom connectivity. Curious spending? Any difference?
The Reps also made provision for N600 million to purchase guest houses for the Speaker and his deputy in “the Lagos area” while about N500 million was allocated for the Speaker’s residence, the same offence over which Olubunmi Etteh was, well, unnecessarily, vilified. Our Reps did not stop at this insensate profligacy. According to this same report, the lawmakers in their 2008 budget earmarked approximately N2.8billion to purchase new vehicles for themselves, notwithstanding that the same amount was earmarked for the same items in last year’s budget!
It is only wonders that shall never end, not the charade by the House of Reps. All foolery must come to an end especially this one, because, as more people go hungry, every gluttonous Rep will vomit every silly morsel of N114, 000 food allowance they are swallowing. They will also go hungry unless they are purged." |
Travel › Re: 136 Ba Passengers Removed From Jet Over Deportee Row by folem: 9:58am On Apr 27, 2008 |
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TV/Movies › Re: Hitv Now Selling N13,999 by folem: 2:21pm On Apr 16, 2008 |
niyi09: my subsciption has not expired, i paid for one year and i bought hitv august 2007. http://thepmnews.com/2008/04/16/protesters-besiege-tv-company/
Protesters Besiege Satelite TV Company
Placard-carrying subscribers of HiTV have besieged the Apapa Road office of the satelite television company to protest against what they described as the high handedness of the management.
Some of the placards carried had such slogans like ‘HiTV, hijacking of international television virus; ‘HiTV is another way of 419; ‘HiTV people are fraudsters and robbers’, and so on.
The subscribers’ grouse was that service on the network of the satelite TV had disappeared for sometime now, and since most of them that came to complain use their TV for commercial purposes, they complained that they had been losing revenue.
The peaceful protest eventually got awry as the subscribers quickly formed a mob, throwing all sorts of objects at the office while trying to gain entrance into the office premises. They got so violent that the management had to call in the police from the Denton Police Station, Oyingbo.
On arrival, the policemen shot sporadically in the air to disperse the protesters.
An insider in the company blamed the subscribers for the problem, explaining that most of them refused to renew their subscription after the one they paid had expired. ”What we did was to disconnect all those who refused to renew their subscription. What all those protesting should do is to pay and get their network back. Those that had already paid need to present their receipts to get back on line, “ the official told P.M.News. |
TV/Movies › Re: Comparing DSTV And HiTV by folem: 11:34am On Apr 16, 2008 |
http://thepmnews.com/2008/04/16/protesters-besiege-tv-company/
Protesters Besiege Satelite TV Company
Placard-carrying subscribers of HiTV have besieged the Apapa Road office of the satelite television company to protest against what they described as the high handedness of the management.
Some of the placards carried had such slogans like ‘HiTV, hijacking of international television virus; ‘HiTV is another way of 419; ‘HiTV people are fraudsters and robbers’, and so on.
The subscribers’ grouse was that service on the network of the satelite TV had disappeared for sometime now, and since most of them that came to complain use their TV for commercial purposes, they complained that they had been losing revenue.
The peaceful protest eventually got awry as the subscribers quickly formed a mob, throwing all sorts of objects at the office while trying to gain entrance into the office premises. They got so violent that the management had to call in the police from the Denton Police Station, Oyingbo.
On arrival, the policemen shot sporadically in the air to disperse the protesters.
An insider in the company blamed the subscribers for the problem, explaining that most of them refused to renew their subscription after the one they paid had expired. ”What we did was to disconnect all those who refused to renew their subscription. What all those protesting should do is to pay and get their network back. Those that had already paid need to present their receipts to get back on line, “ the official told P.M.News. |
Politics › Re: Yaradua Goes For Health Check Up In Germany? by folem: 10:35am On Apr 15, 2008 |
SAM MILLA: nothing like leading by example in africa for now especially when it comes to health, kanu nwankwo was operated on abroad, he is a famous nigerian, all of us go for italian shoes if we can afford it while there are nigerian made shoes. i know of many foreign leaders who go to other countries for medical check ups, nothing wrong in that if he can afford it, There is no doubt that many Africans have an Obsession with Western Products from Education to Football. There will always be some cases when the medical expertise needed may not be available locally for some ailments but the general attitude of rich Nigerians is to go abroad for the slightest medical discomfort. Look at the case of Kanu Heart Foundation, It has heped many families with treatment of heart ailments of their loved ones but as we speak little or nothing is being done to have a local hospital take care of the patients but they prefer to send the patients abroad. If the K.H.F builds it's own hospital or partners a local hospital, more will be done for the people with heart ailments. The health care of Nigerians should be both a Public & Private concern. |
Travel › Re: 136 Nigerians Kicked Off British Airways Flight! by folem: 6:54pm On Apr 14, 2008 |
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=35104533&postID=6911255261644997183
comment on same topic @ Funmi Iyanda's Blog
Bisola said, Don't believe everything you read. Or at least, try and verify the story first.
I felt the same level of indignation while reading the story but something rang false. It just didn't seem possible that all the guy said was 'please don't kill him' and yet he was arrested and treated in that way. Why him and not the other passengers? And let's be honest, how many naijas in such a situation would have just said 'please don't kill him' without aggression? I'm sorry but it's just not in our nature to do so. In such situations, we become quite aggressive, especially if we feel our rights are being trampled upon.
Anyhoo, just this evening, i decided to give my sis the jist and her hubby was there. He immediately asked me where i'd heard the story and then told me that his brother and a friend were both at the airport that day and had had their flights delayed as a result of this incident. It was while waiting for their flight that the economy passengers on mr. omotade's flight came out and told them what had happened.
Apparently, Mr. omotade DID try to intervene, but rather than ask the officials not to kill the deportee, he got quite aggressive and insulting. Now air traffic rules are clear. Assault on airline staff is not tolerated on any level, and assault is not only defined as physical assault. Raising your voice or issuing threats against an airline official is deemed as an assault. Long and short, not only was mr. omotade aggressive, he also started to whip up sentiments, such that the other passengers got involved. It was at that point that the officials decided to remove the deportee from the plane and report mr. omotade's behaviour to the police and the laws being what they were, he was immediately arrested.
Now, according to all the passengers on that flight, when they attempted to arrest mr. omotade, he actually STRIPPED DOWN TO HIS BOXERS while resisting arrest, insisting that he had done nothing wrong, since he hadn't physically assaulted any of the airline staff. Still, he was bundled off the plane and then the pilot decided he couldn't fly any of the economy passengers because they too had joined in the fray. He said he didn't feel safe, so they were all evacuated and the deportee was taken back on to the plane. The plane flew to lagos with only first and business class passengers (and of course, the deportee).
This story was corroborated by 2 different people at 2 different times, so i'm quite sure it's true. Mr. omotade needs to apologise for speaking half truths. In the first place, what was his business with the deportee? Did he know him from anywhere? Did he know why he was being deported? Of course, anybody in such a situation, resisting deportation would try to whip up sentiment and unfortunately, mr. omotade himself got caught up in the 'we have our rights' thing. He should have simply minded his business.
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Politics › Re: Lagos Politics And Religion by folem: 5:23pm On Apr 14, 2008 |
Lagos State Governors 1979 - 2008 -----------------------------------------------------
Lateef Jakande 1979-1983
Gbolahan Mudashiru 1984-1986
Mike Akhigbe 1986-1988
Raji Rasaki 1988-1991
Mike Otedola 1991-1993
Olagunsoye Oyinlola 1993-1996
Moohammed Marwa 1996-1999
Ahmed Tinubu 1999-2007
Raji Fashola 2007 - Present |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Zimbabwe Summit Opens, Mbeki Says Country Not In Crisis by folem: 8:27am On Apr 13, 2008 |
debosky: I wonder why Mbeki keeps on pandering to this demented geriatric.
He should simply call a spade a spade and deal with the problem. . .unless he wants even more Zimbabwean migrants streaming into the country.
This delay is the most ludicrous I have ever seen - why a 13 day delay in releasing election results
African leaders need to stop meeting to chit chat and MAKE decisions to change people's lives. It is sad to see that Zim has broken Naija's "record" 11 day delay in releasing June 12 1993 election results before its annulment on June 23 1993. |
Politics › Re: The Black Question by folem: 5:45pm On Mar 26, 2008 |
Denex thinks he is BROWN and not BLACK!  |
Politics › Re: Is This For Real ? by folem: 1:47am On Mar 23, 2008 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: British Authorities Have Gone Mad by folem: 4:33pm On Mar 18, 2008 |
http://www.bidstrup.com/phobiahistory.htm
Homosexuality in Prehistoric Africa
Our knowledge of homosexuality in prehistoric African cultures is limited by the late-Middle Age European views of Africans, of homosexuality, and of course, the European reason for being in sub-Saharan Africa in the first place - the slave trade. Among the earliest references to it are some of the records of the Inquisition in Brazil. From the Denunciations of Bahia, (1591-1593) comes this thoroughly racist reference to it:
"Francisco Manicongo, a cobbler's apprentice known among the slaves as a sodomite for 'performing the duties of a female' and for 'refusing to wear the men's clothes which the master gave him.' Francisco's accuser added that in Angola and the Congo in which he had wandered much and of which he had much experience, it is customary among the pagan negros to wear a loincloth with the ends in front which leaves an opening in the rear, this custom being adopted by the sodomitic negros who serve as passive women in the abominable sin. These passives are called jimbandaa in the language of Angola and the Congo, which means passive sodomite. The accuser claimed to have seen Francisco Manicongo "wearing a loincloth such as passive sodomites wear in his land of the Congo and immediately rebuked him." (quoted by J. Treveisan, Perverts in Paradise, London, 1986. Elipses are his.)
We can see from such references, that homosexuality was present in Africa from at least the earliest of European contact, and without much doubt, from long before. It wasn't just central Africa, either. While European proprieties made such graphic description of African homosexualities uncommon in their descriptions of Africa, there are enough references to it to know that it was indeed present, and even used as a justification for considering African cultures primitive enough to justify slavery.
Among the last African cultures to be subjugated by Europeans, the Hausa peoples of northern Nigeria and the surrounding countries offer interesting examples of homosexuality among Islmaicized peoples of Africa. Conquered by the British only in 1904, they were studied extensively by British ethnographers within a decade and a half of the arrival of the British - having experienced very limited contact with Europeans in the meantime. These ethnographers included sexual practices, including homosexuality, in their survey. Thus, they give us a unique glimpse into a nearly pristine African Great Religious culture.
The Hausa people have terms in their language that are used to describe homosexuals. Two terms are common, 'yan dauda, which is usually translated as "homosexual" or "transvestite" and 'dan dauda, which translates as a homosexual "wife." The 'yan dauda in Hausaland engange in stereotypical professions, much as marginalized gay men in the west often do. In Hausaland, they are often engaged in the sex trade - both as male prostitutes and as 'procurers' for female prostitutes. In the latter role, they do not behave as 'pimps' do in the west, maintaining 'stables' of female prostitutes under their subjugation, but rather simply as go-betweens, arranging, for a fee, liasons for men seeking the commercial charms of female prostitutes. In this role, they often engage as male prostitutes themselves when the opportunity arises.
Among other African tribes, homosexual behavior among premarriage adolescents is common and is not even considered to be sex, since it does not involve procreative potential. In Camaroon, for example, homosexual acts as late as age 17 are considered innocent, not being "true" sexual relations. Such youth consider themselves virgins at marriage, even though they may have considerable homosexual experience in both roles. There are many stories among the Pangwe of Camaroon of men who hate women and prefer the company of men even when offered a large brideprice, of men who court other men, etc. That these behaviors existed within this tribe prior to European contact is evidenced by the richness and number of these stories.
In Zimbabwe, a nation racked by recent homophobic pogroms instituted by its viciously homophobic dictator, Robert Mugabe, there has historically been little known about homosexual behavior among peoples present prior to European contact. Some ethnographers have dishonestly attempted to show that homosexual behavior is a recent innovation encouraged by Europeans to serve their capital interests, in housing large numbers of male Africans together in barracks to serve as labor in the mines.
The reality is that homosexuality existed in Zimbabwe long prior to European contact, just like it did anywhere else in Africa. We know this because the San people had the indiscretion to record their group anal sexual intercourse on rock paintings that date back thousands of years.
The Bantu-speaking peoples of the plateau country were more circumspect, but have admitted to ethnographers that homosexual contact did occur, and was expected of pre-marriage adolescent males.
Court documents from the colonial era from Zimbabwe and South Africa (1920 and 1917 respectively) indicate that among both the Mazoe and Ndebele peoples of Zimbabwe and South Africa respectively, a fine of one beast was levied against persons attempting to engage in sodomy by traditional rulers in pre-colonial times from both tribes. This fine equates to a misdemeanor - evidence that it was not heavily frowned upon, nor particularly uncommon.
Colonial court records also show that prosecution for male homosexuality at the onset of colonial rule amounted to 1.5 percent of criminal cases in Zimbabwe, eventually declining to near zero, while prosecutions for heterosexual crimes, such as indecent assault, rape, etc., rose from almost nothing to significant portions of the criminal dockets. It must be noted that because the 1.5 percent represented unwilling participants in the criminal process, the actual extent of homosexual behavior was certainly much greater, since only those caught in flagrante delicto, those prosecuted with amicus, or those accused by jilted lovers or others with an axe to grind, represent the criminal numbers we see in the records. The actual numbers were certainly much higher. In more than 90 percent of cases, the defendant was an African male accused of assualting another African male or boy. Cases involving Europeans were much more rare.
The notion that this is "a white-man's disease of recent origin" is made laughable by an even cursory examination of the criminal records of colonial Zimbabwe and South Africa. A close qualitative analysis of the early colonial trial transcripts shows that there was often shared property resulting from long-standing cohabitation by the defendant and his accusor. That the courts had to sort out the property details shows that these men had often considered themselves in a de facto marriage prior to their dispute.
Contrary to Mugabe's and other Afrocentrists' assertions, analysis of the colonial court cases shows that the rate of prosecution for homosexual behaviors was highest among the more indigenous peoples (Shona, 17% and Ndebele, 16%), and least among the "industrialized migrants" from elsewhere (about 3% each for Xhosa, Basotho and Zulu). Presumably the latter had simply learned better how to avoid the white man's justice.
also http://www.glbtq.com/arts/af_art_traditional.html |
Foreign Affairs › Re: British Authorities Have Gone Mad by folem: 2:52pm On Mar 18, 2008 |
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Foreign Affairs › Re: British Authorities Have Gone Mad by folem: 4:36pm On Mar 17, 2008 |
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=71578.msg1382569#msg1382569denex: homosexuality is not natural, just like suicide it is very very abnormal that is why we can't just leave them alone.
Abi suicidal people, no be themselves them wan kill? Why you think say people suppose stop them? Because that is not what they were created to do.
Homosexuality is immoral, it is evil, it is demonic and now it is spreading among underage children because of the favourable stance taken by the satellite media on homosexuality.
It must be curbed now. God hates it, man hates it, animals hate it, hell, even machines hate it.
What is wrong with you people? How man go put prick inside man nyash?!
These are the kinds of things that make me believe that God is powerless if at all he exists. How can he possibly sit and watch all this happen? It's disgusting jare.
Next thing some people will start advocating for the right to practice bestiality. Yes. How much different is it from homosexuality? Man wey fit plug man, e go fit plug dog! @denex, you failed to answer my previous question.
Bonobos are the closest to humans among the primates and they are naturally bi-sexual.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html
Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate
Birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it. So go the lyrics penned by US. songwriter Cole Porter.
Porter, who first hit it big in the 1920s, wouldn't risk parading his homosexuality in public. In his day "the birds and the bees" generally meant only one thing—sex between a male and female.
But, actually, some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom.
Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.
Wild birds exhibit similar behavior. There are male ostriches that only court their own gender, and pairs of male flamingos that mate, build nests, and even raise foster chicks.
Filmmakers recently went in search of homosexual wild animals as part of a National Geographic Ultimate Explorer documentary about the female's role in the mating game. (The film, Girl Power, will be screened in the US this Saturday at 8 p.m. ET, 5 p.m PT on MSNBC TV.)
The team caught female Japanese macaques engaged in intimate acts which, if observed in humans, would be in the X-rated category.
"The homosexual behavior that goes on is completely baffling and intriguing," says National Geographic Ultimate Explorer correspondent, Mireya Mayor. "You would have thought females that want to be mated, especially over their fertile period, would be seeking out males."
Well, perhaps, in a roundabout way, they are seeking males, suggests primatologist Amy Parish.
She argues that female macaques may enhance their social position through homosexual intimacy which in turn influences breeding success. Parish says, "Taking something that's nonreproductive, like mounting another female—if it leads to control of a resource or acquisition of a resource or a good alliance partner, that could directly impact your reproductive success."
Sexual Gratification
On the other hand, they could just be enjoying themselves, suggests Paul Vasey, animal behavior professor at the University of Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada. "They're engaging in the behavior because it's gratifying sexually or it's sexually pleasurable," he says. "They just like it. It doesn't have any sort of adaptive payoff."
Matthew Grober, biology professor at Georgia State University, agrees, saying, "If [sex] wasn't fun, we wouldn't have any kids around. So I think that maybe Japanese macaques have taken the fun aspect of sex and really run with it."
The bonobo, an African ape closely related to humans, has an even bigger sexual appetite. Studies suggest 75 percent of bonobo sex is nonreproductive and that nearly all bonobos are bisexual. Frans de Waal, author of Bonobo: The Forgotten Ape, calls the species a "make love, not war" primate. He believes bonobos use sex to resolve conflicts between individuals.
Other animals appear to go through a homosexual phase before they become fully mature. For instance, male dolphin calves often form temporary sexual partnerships, which scientists believe help to establish lifelong bonds. Such sexual behavior has been documented only relatively recently. Zoologists have been accused of skirting round the subject for fear of stepping into a political minefield.
"There was a lot of hiding of what was going on, I think, because people were maybe afraid that they would get into trouble by talking about it," notes de Waal. Whether it's a good idea or not, it's hard not make comparisons between humans and other animals, especially primates. The fact that homosexuality does, after all, exist in the natural world is bound to be used against people who insist such behavior is unnatural.
In the US., in particular, the moral debate over this issue rages on. Many on the religious right regard homosexuality as a sin. And only this month, President Bush vowed to continue his bid to ban gay marriages after the Senate blocked the proposal.
Already, cases of animal homosexuality have been cited in successful court cases brought against states like Texas, where gay sex was, until recently, illegal.
Yet scientists say we should be wary of referring to animals when considering what's acceptable in human society. For instance, infanticide, as practiced by lions and many other animals, isn't something people, gay or straight, generally approve of in humans.
Human Homosexuality
So how far can we go in using animals to help us understand human homosexuality? Robin Dunbar is a professor of evolutionary psychology at the University of Liverpool, England. "The bottom line is that anything that happens in other primates, and particularly other apes, is likely to have strong evolutionary continuity with what happens in humans," he said.
Dunbar says the bonobo's use of homosexual activity for social bonding is a possible example, adding, "One of the main arguments for human homosexual behavior is that it helps bond male groups together, particularly where a group of individuals are dependent on each other, as they might be in hunting or warfare."
For instance, the Spartans, in ancient Greece, encouraged homosexuality among their elite troops. "They had the not unreasonable belief that individuals would stick by and make all efforts to rescue other individuals if they had a lover relationship," Dunbar added.
Another suggestion is that homosexuality is a developmental phase people go through. He said, "This is similar to the argument of play in young animals to get their brain and muscles to work effectively and together. Off the back of this, there's the possibility you can get individuals locked into this phase for the rest of their lives as a result of the social environment they grow up in."
But he adds that homosexuality doesn't necessarily have to have a function. It could be a spin-off or by-product of something else and in itself carries no evolutionary weight."
He cites sexual gratification, which encourages procreation, as an example. "An organism is designed to maximize its motivational systems," he adds.
In other words, if the urge to have sex is strong enough it may spill over into nonreproductive sex, as suggested by the actions of the bonobos and macaques. However, as Dunbar admits, there's a long way to go before the causes of homosexuality in humans are fully understood.
He said, "Nobody's really investigated this issue thoroughly, because it's so politically sensitive. It's fair to say all possibilities are still open."
For more on animal homosexuality check out http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6066606.stm http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101990426-23309,00.html
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