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omonuan: Anybody that believes in "African bullet proof" is a fool but then again many Africans are ignorant and gullible and it amazes me that in this day and age, Africans would still think from their anus. Folks, White men used Dane guns to enslave Africans for 400 hundred years not forty not hundred but 400 years. Prior to the trans Atlantic slave trade the Arabs sold Africans for 1000 years and the so-called African power did nothing to help to ameliorate the tragedy.

I agree with Mazaje that African bullet proof is more like balderdash and original 419. I hope Mazeje's challenge is not accepted because it would be suicidal.

just shut up. Are people not using herbs? Is herbs not working for ailment?

Misunderstood_G: It's definitely not gonna hold.. That's just it... but, i still prefer ghostofsparta's challenge

And what is his challenge? Was it to mazaje?

jayriginal: Im not sure you understand Folykaze quite well. An atheist he may be but he holds that this thing works. Plus there are provisions for observers.

My point in all this isnt even the fixing, its that there is almost certainly a single clear outcome. Someone will get hurt. Left to me, I dont think this event will hold at all and I have my reasons for saying so. Just in case I am wrong, I wish to register my objection (as little as it may count for ).

That is all.

If I tell someone I can swim, is my life not risk if I proceed to do it? I might lose control in the water or a big fish attack me. If you suggest we shoot objects, then I will agree but we dont know mazaje decision on this. Well on my side, anything that will work and satisfy is exploration into black powers

Misunderstood_G: CLAP FOR YOURSELF BROTHER..I HATE TO AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS BUT....YOU'RE RIGHT.. Ghostofsparta's challenge is there, besides folykaze is an atheist, so it's obviously gonna be fixed

And Atheist must not shoot gun or what is your point?

jayriginal: Purist(my bro), Mazaje and Folykaze, permit me to be blunt.

I think it is folly of the highest order to go through with this. This is primarily because someone is going to get hurt. In fact, I do not think anyone will really go through with it, but I seek to register my objection in case I am wrong.

Now, there are other ways to test this so called bullet proof. Some inanimate object can be used and observed after the event. No human will be harmed.
Even the James Randi challenge will not accept proof that involves serious bodily harm.

If there is an impasse, the ghostofsparta's challenge is there. That involves no harm to a human and can be investigated. As long as it doesnt involve sugar in the tank or other cheap shenanigans, it should be easy to see through.

thanks bro. I understand your point clearly. That option of yours will be decided by Mazaje. But if he want to proceed with the shooting at this guy, I am ready for this. Nothing to scare of. We both agree on the police statement and doctors on ground. Afterall, he is not shooting his head?

Misunderstood_G: RUBBISH! This is obviously fixed..

Fixed to the extent of risking a life? Are you serious at all?


Well I checked on your profile and found out you are new here. You should have checked my previous post. I came into the discussion and this was what i wrote:

Religion / Re: What Are Your Views On Supernatural Occurrences? by FOLYKAZE ( m ): 2:52pm On Apr 30


Something serious is happening here. I dont know if the illustrations bolaino ascribed as supernatural are true or not. He might truely have seen this things happening but the mistake he made here is that he is combing is ignorance into supernatures.
Personally I saw a crucifix in a bottle and I questioned about it from my dad. He explained in details process this thing was made. If I had not known or got the idea, I will also be saying here that they are supernaturals.
Also from what Ijawkid says about bullet proof juju, I will gladly says that I have witnessed something of such in 2009. I saw guys shooting themselves, testing their voodoo individually. Im not saying this is a gun fight or crisis. It happened among OPC guys. They did this openly in the centre of Ondo town. And also I got friends among them which was tested in my presence.
Well as for me, I dont believe in this as supernatural. Only that I dont understand how it works with those guys. I have seen situation like man carrying 'magun', man eating bottle, man disappearing and knock down in fight charm. When arguing with my friends who have this things, Im always pressed down cause I dont know how to explain them. Lot of activities like Bullet proof juju, fireman, water in a basket, light weight object which cant be lift and lot more.
These are very common on Ogun festive day in Ondo town. I dont know if the people doing those stuff are tricksters or magicians. But the problem I have is that I cant explain those stuff. And also on bullet proof stuff, I can assure most Atheist here that it works fine. It either your gun develop fault immediately, or it burst from the back and you get hit, or the bullet fly away missing the target, or it drop weak before the target. I got a old bro doing this stuff.
And he have tested it on many occasion working fine. Though I have not seen him trying it with AK47.
He use local guns and double barrel which was used to kill a goat in the process of testing the gun and other way wrong didn't work on him. I dont know if people here can explain this but I have witnessed and very sure it works.

FOLYKAZE said in his last post that he's an atheist.. So you guys ain't fooling anyone..

Depends on what you call supernatural. My own stand is that this thing is happening but I cant give explaination on how it works. My ignorance is the question here but I know people who make such thing happen. We have both agreed and he is ready to show off this. This is what supernatural should be:

Lord Babs: Wonders happen. They're real. Seeing is convincing. But the term 'supernaturalism' merely exists in the mind and not within the boundary of mother nature. Any wonders happening within the boundary of nature are understandably governed by the laws of nature. That something is not obvious or explainable doesn't make such thing super-natural. Is energy obvious? That hurricane isn't an obvious occurrence in Africa doesn't make hurricane a supernatural thing. It'd be extraterritorially insane to suggest that the supernatural exists within the boundaries of nature (what is natural). Hence, all that we can see (explainable or inexplainable), in terms of wonders are nothing but natural wonders (i.e. the wonders of nature), while we have in mind that these wonders are commandeered by the governing laws of nature!

In africa, people have been using herb before the introduction of of modernize drugs for their ailment. Some people will tell you that herbs are product of the spirit. But I bet you cant find among the trado-medical practitioner that can explain and list the chemicals combination of the herb. Didn't they call it supernaturals? But what if as an educated person knows what this stuff contain.....

UNLESS ATHEISM HAS ANOTHER MEANING

What you call supernaturals is your ignorance. If you have near knowledge, it will be wonders and if you know everything about it, you make it a subject for yourself.

It is basic and clear that christians are liars

Boyeseth: Many more important people have forgotten that
there is no other name that was given so much
authority as the name of Jesus.

Alexander Fleming is greater than Jesus. Jesus made maybe a few dozen miracle cures. The discovery of penecillin cured millions of people.
All the people who developed different vaccines are even better as they don't just heal, they make that people don't get sick in the first place. (Edward Jenner was the first, but there were a couple of independent successes and lot of people worked on that field right up to now). You didn't suffer from smallpox, measles, tetanus, or polio. Look up who you should thank!
Telling one lame man to get up and walk and cure him is nice. Getting thousands of children vaccinated and making sure they still can run around in the future is better. Great scientist have invented those stuff you are using today, just list it, computer, internet, electricity and others. Jesus didn't invent anything. He is just dead and wasteful.


To quote your own holy book: According to Ecclesiastes 9:4 "A live dog is better than a dead lion."
Jesus, great as he was, has been dead and gone these 2,000+ years.

So therefore, Im better and greater than him.[/quote]

Boyeseth: Many have died, but only Jesus died and rise again,
and he is still alive....
'Jesus' I have done my part by sharing this with you, Jesus
said 'If you are embarrassed about me,
I will also be embarrassed about you before my
father.'

Indeed, you are a great liar. Even according to your bible, jesus was not the first and the only person that was resurrected.


1 Samuel 28:11, 14
Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel .... And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel.


1 Kings 17:22
And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.


2 Kings 4:32-35
And when Elisha was come into the house, behold, the child was dead, and laid upon his bed. He went in therefore, and shut the door upon them twain, and prayed unto the LORD. And he went up, and lay upon the child, and put his mouth upon his mouth, and his eyes upon his eyes, and his hands upon his hands: and stretched himself upon the child; and the flesh of the child waxed warm. Then he returned, and walked in the house to and fro; and went up, and stretched himself upon him: and the child sneezed seven times.


2 Kings 13:21
And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.

Luke 9:30
And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias.

Definately God is fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of death. Fear of the reality that you refuse to accept because you cannot bear to embrace the truth staring you in the face.

You can pray all you want, it's not going to stop a tornado. It's not going to bring those kids back to their parents. There is no reason it happened. There is no divine plan. We are providence. We determine the quality of our lives and hold the power to make this world a better place.

Stop wasting your time in fear and superstition and become the difference that your God can never make.

The muslim must not lie here. The whole fact is in the quran and hadith.


Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 44 Surah Dukhan verses 51-57:

51 As to the Righteous (they will be) in a position of Security

52 Among Gardens and Springs;

53 Dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade they will face each other;

54 So; and We shall join them to companions with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.
55 There can they call for every kind of fruit in peace and security;

56 Nor will they there taste death except the first death; and He will preserve them from the penalty of the Blazing Fire

57 As a Bounty from thy Lord! That will be the Supreme Achievement!




Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 55 Surah Rahmaan verses 56-59:

56 In them (Paradise) will be (maidens) chaste restraining their glances whom no man or Jinn before them has touched
57 Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?

58 Like unto rubies and coral.

59 Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?

60 Is there any Reward for Good other than Good?

61 Then which of the favors of your Lord will ye deny?



Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 56 Surah Waqiah verses 27-38:

27 The Companions of the Right Hand! What will be the Companions of the Right Hand?

28 (They will be) among lote trees without thorns

29 Among Talh trees with flowers (or fruits) piled one above another

30 In shades, long-extended

31 By water flowing constantly

32 And fruit in abundance

33 Whose season is not limited nor (supply) forbidden

34 And on Thrones (of Dignity) raised high.

35 We have created (their Companions) of special creation.

36 And made them virgin-pure (and undefiled)

37 Beloved (by nature) equal in age
38 For the companions of the Right Hand.




Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 52 Surah Tur verses 17-20:

17 As to the Righteous they will be in Gardens and in Happiness

18 Enjoying the (Bliss) which their Lord hath bestowed on them, and their Lord shall deliver them from the Penalty of the Fire.

19 (To them will be said "Eat and drink ye with profit and health because of your (past good) deeds."

20 They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of Dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.



Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 38 Surah Saad verses 49-53:

49 This is a Message (of admonition): and verily for the Righteous is a beautiful place of (final) Return.

50 Gardens of Eternity, whose doors will (ever) be open to them;

51 Therein will they recline (at ease); therein can they call (at pleasure) for fruit in abundance and (delicious) drink;

52 And beside them will be chaste women restraining their glances (companions) of equal age.
53 Such is the promise made to you for the Day of Account!




Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 37 Surah Saafaat verses 48-49:

48 And beside them will be chaste women; restraining their glances with big eyes (of wonder and beauty).
49 As if they were (delicate) eggs closely guarded.




It is in the authentic and established hadiths of the Messenger of Allah, where the mention of seventy-two chaste wives is found; and again that reward is only one amongst the innumerable rewards of Allah which He will bestow on His obedient slave.



Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 5648 Narrated by Abu Sa'id:

Allah's Messenger (saws) said, "The lowliest of the inhabitants of Paradise will be he who has eighty thousand servants, seventy-two wives , and for whom a round pavilion of pearls, chrysoprase and rubies as large as the distance between al-Jabiyah and San'a will be set up. Those who are to go to Paradise, who die whether young or old, will come into Paradise aged thirty and never grow older. The same applies to those who will go to Hell. They will wear crowns, the smallest pearl of which will illuminate the space between the east and the west. When a believer in Paradise wishes for a child, its conception, delivery and growth to full age will be accomplished in a moment as he wishes."

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 3834 Narrated by Al-Miqdam ibn Ma'dikarib

Allah's Messenger (saws) said, "The martyr receives six good things from Allah: he is forgiven at the first shedding of his blood; he is shown his abode in Paradise; he is preserved from the punishment in the grave; he is kept safe from the greatest terror; he has placed on his head the crown of honour, a ruby of which is better than the world and what it contains; he is married to seventy-two wives of the maidens with large dark eyes; and is made intercessor for seventy of his relatives."





Indeed, they will be married to those virgins. It good to go

Purist: Okay, thanks for clarifying.

You are welcome

Purist: Some of your fellow jazz practitioners would have us believe that it is possible for a bullet to penetrate the human body and there will be no blood. That's why I'm asking to be absolutely sure.

@ the bold, im sorry, there is nothing like that. It is NO PENETRATION, NO BLEEDING

One more thing, I'll suggest this whole exercise should be carried out on a neutral ground you both agree on. Also, if possible, have more than one camera man record the whole thing (possibly up to 3 or even more) so we can have different angles of the incident as it plays out.

Agree on that.

defininately, it your bullet penetrate, it will surely bleed. penetration prompt bleeding. Try to understand me.

The point im trying to make here is that if my bullet proof skinned guy bleed then I fail

Purist: Oga, please clarify. Will your "skinned guy" jazz man bleed or not?

how can someone bleed without been hit or bullet penetrating into his skin? Definitely, no penetration, no bleeding

Purist: Okay, I'm glad we've reached a consensus here. Just to be absolutely clear to everyone, here's what you both agreed on:

Mazaje comes with his own gun, stands - at most - 2 meters away, and will shoot at the target.

1) If mazaje's gun jams (and thus, fails to shoot) when pointed at the target, the bullet-proof jazz would have been proven to be very REAL (i.e. it WORKS as claimed).
2) If mazaje's gun fails to jam (and it actually shoots) when pointed at the target, and PENETRATES/ENTERS/PIERCES, the bullet-proof jazz would have been proven to be very FAKE (i.e. it does NOT work as claimed).

So if mazaje shoots and penetrates the target, it would NOT matter if the target felt no pain, or failed to bleed. The jazz would still have been proven to be FAKE.

Please, kindly confirm the correctness of my post.

correct

mazaje: Won't bleed or the bullet won't penetrate. .Any way . . My position is that once the bullet hits him he will bleed and damage will be done to the part of his body that the bullet hits. . .It is going to be an AK47 and he will stand no more than 2 meters away from me. . .

defininately, if your bullet penetrate, it will surely bleed. penetration prompt bleeding. Then I fail on my side. Try to understand me.


Edited.

mazaje: Ok then. .There are other arrangements i will like us to make with regards to a police man and some doctors. ..But I will send you an email so that we can make arrangement for that . . .

which ever way you want it.

Purist: It has absolutely NO limitations at all, you mean? OKay, great.

Yes NO limitation

Purist: Good.

In other words, when the trigger of your own firearm is pulled and the bullet penetrates the target, regardless of what happens to target next (whether he/she is able to resist the pain, or somehow fail to bleed, etc), you would have proven that bullet-proof jazz is FAKE and does NOT work as claimed.

Is this your position, mazaje? And do you agree with this, FOLYKAZE?


EDIT: By 'penetration', I suppose you mean that the bullet will actually enter or pierce the target's body. (We need to define these things properly before someone comes to tell us penetration means something else. )

We all know what gun is. And we know the effect if a bullet hit a target. Well what I agree on his, the skinned guy wont bleed. Either he is pushed back or feel pains in not in the talk. What I want to show his the bullet proof skin guy wont bleed.

Purist: More so, @FOLYKAZE:

Is there any part of the human body that this bullet-proof jazz fails to protect?

Does your "jazz" cover the whole body? If mazaje shoots the target on the leg and the bullet penetrates/enters/pierces, I hope you won't tell us that it is because the target wasn't wearing the jazz on her/his leg? Abeg, describe this jazz in detail and how it works.

Does it have any limitations? Are there any specific guns it can only work with? Can it withstand an AK 47?

The whole body can be shoot at. It has on limitation at all.

mazaje: Ok. . .Here is my position. . .I will come with my own fully functional AK 47. . .I will shoot and the gun will not Jam and if it hits the target the bullet must penetrate . . .This is my position and this is what i aim to achieve. . .FOLYKAZE over to you. . .

Obviously we agree on same thing

Purist: @mazaje and FOLYKAZE

The full terms and conditions of this bullet-proof jazz test should be stated on this thread (or create a new thread) so that both parties, and the rest of us, can see and AGREE on what constitutes the "jazz" success or failure. At the moment, it seems all we have on the part of FOLYKAZE is the assumption (or assurance) that a bullet will be shot and will fail. But how do you define this failure?

- Will the gun jam?
- Will the shooter miss his target?
- Will the bullet fail to penetrate and bounce off the target's body?
- Will the target fail to bleed even when he/she is hit?
- Will he/she bleed but will still be fine at the end?
- Will the target feel no pain after being shot?

How EXACTLY are you gonna be able to say conclusively that the bullet-proof jazz works 100%? Note that 99.99999% is no definitive proof. You guys have to state these things publicly before either party beings to change mouth depending on the outcome of the test. In other words, the terms should somewhat be in the following unequivocal form:

1) If 'A' happens, the test has succeeded (i.e. bullet-proof "jazz" is REAL and works as claimed).
2) ELSE, the test has failed (i.e. bullet-proof "jazz" is FAKE and does not work as claimed).

Over to you, guys.

Here, I will choose two option for him, he should come with any gun he got. And the gun will definitely Jam immediately he point it to the bullet proof guy. He can try point the gun on something else instantly and very sure that it will work back.


Also, if mazaje will want his bullet to fly, im saying clearly here today that the bullet wont penetrate.

Thats my position on that

mazaje: Sure man. . .I will be well arranged. . .No need discussing much here. .I will send you and email and we will make proper arrangements . . . .

better

mazaje: I am NOT kidding. . .I will buzz you very soon via email . . .Am very serious anout this, but we will have to get some things sorted out first, I will send you an email when am ready cos the last time I did this, I got into some trouble. . .The hospital people refused to treat the guy at first saying we should bring a police report since it was a gun shut wound. . .It was quite an ordel but at the end we were able to have our way and the treated him after he lost so much blood, I thought he was going to die. I wouldn't want such to happen again. I will send you and email and we will prepare for it all. I will be coming back very soon. . .I am NOT kidding about this . . .We will make it known and logicboy will also be there, cos I know he will want to witness it as well. . . .

which ever way you want it. And dont forget to get camera man. We got something to show nairalanders

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130523180318.htm


Dear Religion,


This week while you hacked a man to death on the streets of London, I discovered advanced biological computing.


Your truly, Science

musKeeto: Lol.

When's the date?

From my side, anytime from now. But I dont know mazaje stand on this. Dont know if really he want this as he said or just saying to please people

Since Mazaje has said he will try to confirm supernaturals, I as a person is ready to prove this to him.

But is this guy really serious about this?

Pygru: Rubbish!

YABA LEFT PLS

mazaje: Why should I be scared of a myth?. . .

Hope you didn't forget your bullet proof skinned person confirmation? I have gotten the guy ready

OLAADEGBU: Are you this scared? This anecdote shows how you guys respond when you here about hell:

why would you want me be scared of fairy tale

It pure fairy tale.

• THE STORY OF ADAM & EVE IS A MYTH SAYS CATHOLIC CARDINAL GEORGE PELL: http://consciouslifenews.com/catholic-cardinal-adam-eve-didnt-exist/1127457/

There was no blood gushing out from the beheaded soldier. I am lost ooo

Im not writing this to defend Islam or the evil done but got some things unclear to me.



After reading an article from http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/25/woolwich-suspect-kenya-torture and http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/14/nigeria-targeted-for-destruction/ early this morning, I sense the MI5, is hiding things.

A friend of one of the suspected killers of a soldier butchered in a London street was arrested by counter-terrorism officers yesterday after going on television to allege that Michael Adebolajo was tortured in Kenya and harassed by MI5 – who asked him to spy for them.

The allegations came from Abu Nusaybah, who was arrested under terrorism legislation minutes after finishing recording his interview for BBC Newsnight.

The Guardian understands that Nusaybah is connected to extremists formerly in the banned group al-Muhajiroun. Counter-terrorism officers turned up at reception at the BBC's central London headquarters as his interview was being recorded an hour before it was broadcast. The officers waited, then arrested Nusaybah as he left the BBC's headquarters.

Asked about the unusual sequence of events leading to the arrest, the Metropolitan police said: "He was not arrested because of his comments on Newsnight."

The police would not say what led to his arrest, which BBC insiders said had left them shocked. Police also said he was not arrested in connection to the murder of Lee Rigby. Nusaybah's home is understood to be one of two addresses in east London being searched by officers after his arrest.

Why would they arrest someone interviewed and was revealing something to the media? Is there something hidden this people dont want the world to know?

This whole event once again seems scripted....who kills and then stand around talking to people answering questions until the police come for them.... People need to start asking obvious questions instead of being herded in a direction..