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Sugarboyy:
He performed well in Belgium at his age and that's why Monaco signed him. At Monaco he was battling injury and was not given much opportunity that's why he left. If you have watched that guy play, you will know that he is a beast. He is tall, well built, can shoot from anywhere and also fast and intelligent. We have got another proper 9 after Osimhen and I pray we stop missing Osimhen when he starts playing for the SE. Edo State is on the verge of given the SE another brutal 9 after Aghahowa, Yakubu, Osimhen and now Illenikhena

The point remains he might be farming that pension league due to the quality of talents available.

Anyways, he should have stayed in Monaco and and fight for shirt instead of running to that league. I wish him well but my reservation remains the same.

He should be tested first before you all conclude he is the heir apparent to Osimhen.

Truidstarr:
Bra, This boy is a proper striker, Should be 2nd to Osimhen, at only 19!!! No sentiments.

I hear. When Akor still dey? Maybe he is doing well in Saudi Arabia because of the quality of the players.

However, he has to move out of that pension league to be really taking seriously.

Notwithstanding, he should be tried and tested in GWG to ascertain he could perform.

SymphonyRad:
I get the feeling Chelle is seriously prepping Ilenikhena as the ideal Osimhen understudy and future #9 for almost inevitable situations like Osimhen's injury conundrum before every crucial qualifiers...Akor should have been that guy but there's something just lacking in his cutting edge output (even though he delivers in national colors)...at 19 and with so much promise to him, Ilenikhena will have to prove he is that GUY.

How was his performance in Belgium and France?

When I checked it was below average.

He should be below the pecking order among the choices available.

I hope this would relieve the pain.

Godx:
You know Enzo was going to leave eventually. Why didn't you strength your midfield since July? You asked for a certain amount and we paid. No one forced you to sell.

When the player just said he wants to move. What should Chelsea do? Force him to stay?

This was deliberate from Man City. They deliberately weakened Chelsea's midfield. Why didn't they bid earlier?

Kukutente23:
The tracks already existed. It was the stations that were built and the coaches upgraded to passenger coaches. It was rehabilitation work. Or is it construction now?

Abuja-Kaduna was started and almost completed by Goodluck's government

Oga! 235 km existed. 100 km was added and 12 stations were built.

How can you say was rehabilitated? Can you rehabilitate what doesn’t exist?

Kukutente23:
Itakpe to Warri was a rehabilitation work.
The rail was already existing
So far you're able to mention only one

Completing 100 km of railway track and building of 13 stations can't be quantified ad mere rehabilitation.

For your information, Abuja to Kaduna was also completed independently Buhari.

Kukutente23:
This APC and audio gbajue works

Please how many road and rail project have APC STARTED and COMPLETED since 2015 with all the noise by their urchins
Even the Lagos-Kano narrow gauge that was handed over to them they killed it in a few months

So, the Lagos - Ibadan railway and Itakpe to Warri railway are in Mali, abi?

Even Kaduna to Kano railway will be commissioned in December.

AndroBlaze:
I'm not sure I'm a fan of a high speed railway from Lagos to Boko territory.

To Kano, or preferably Kaduna, fine.

But anyway, I'm sure the routes in between may make it worth it.

Why are you all like this? The rail line would connect to Abuja before going to Maiduguri which passes through Jos and Bauchi.

There is an existing rail line from Abuja to Kaduna. While the rail line from Kaduna via Zaira to Kano would be completed in December.

Make una dey research before dropping comments here.

Alfryd:
Okay sir, I will be waiting

I just confirmed from the management. They don't accept female players for trial.

Did you hear Martinez? He has brought winning mentality. He said "I came to help to win the EPL." Wow!!!

I think Enzo should stay. He also got the winning mentality.

Chelsea have just won their first two Premier League games of the season for the first time in five years .

Chaiiii! We don suffer under BlueCo.

Ebi like Enzo no dey go anywhere.

How can you blow when we Pedro still had advantage of the ball?

swiz123:
So do you think we can win the league averaging such possession or we have a different objective this season?

It is looking positive but let us see against Arsenal.

NinjaMetahuman:
How the f did we have 23% ball possession with 3 goal up.

I smell some weird haram Mourinho ball going on.

Na so wey be before weybwe dey win but since we wan copy tikita, we don yakata.

This is what Chelsea is known for.

Philosopher1979:
At a very direct level. Egypt makes a lot of money from tourism to the pyramids and other ancient landmarks in Egypt. So even now, raw cash is being made. That's a very practical contribution.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://nilecruisen.com/news/egypt-records-historic-tourism-earnings-of-16-7-billion-during-fy2024-25/&ved=2ahUKEwinsdjPusOWAxUKT0EAHfFGHFoQFnoECEEQAQ&sqi=2&usg=AOvVaw0m-8qAZQEPojvG1asb3k1P

Dey go there to see Egyptian wonders with better money. Till today, some things are not understood.

Mujtahida:
Indirect what? 🤣🤣🤣. Of all the people wey dem colonize, na only you still dey under indirect colonization. If you are still under indirect colonization, it's because you are weak!

I hope you know that oyibo people were colonized and enslaved too. In fact the word slave is from the Slavic 'slav'

Weakness doesn't connote governance or black can't govern themselves. Weakness simply means you don't have military power in this era.

If you believe neocolonialism no longer exit then you are on your own. Putin made mention of that recently. Maybe em no know what he is saying.

Until these superior forces, heterogeneous lots and variegated groups come together to determine if they really wants to be a nation.

If you don't believe that, even this NFF restructuring could hit brick wall.

Napoleon55:
If I may add,
since the topic of your arguments is about civilization,
can both of you try to guid your language and choice of your words and keep them as civil as you can,to make easier for others to read.

@Forgiveness and Mujtahida.

I don tire. He is focusing on modern civilization to define previous civilization. I don tire.

Did Pyramids add any value to Africa and the world? Yes,

1. The Pyramid has added to this argument alone because without this, dem go claim Africa no get civilization or can't innovate. The pyramid alone has helped to believe that those stories in the bible are true.
2. Egypt is not all about Pyramid. The mathematics used to build pyramid was able to help research develop how Eyptians surveyed land,.
3. Geometry, proportions, and astronomical orientation.
4. Influenced architecture. Why you see skyscrapers up and down. Thanks to Pyramid.

I will send another to tell you why you can't govern now. It is because we are still under indirect colonialism.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbVAOGFTUmj/?igsh=MW9nZ2llaHFrNGw5MQ%3D%3D

Mujtahida:
"Watch why current setups can't govern themselves."

I say he cannot govern. You are giving me reasons proving my assertion. You see why engaging you is a waste of time?

Typical black man. Always full of excuses! Cry cry baby of the world. Nonsense!

Your iq is low. I can't engage you further if that is what your brain processed after listening.

See the name he called African states. Superior force, Heterogeneous lots and Variegated group.

Mujtahida:
Nothing to comprehend in that awful pile of rubbish. I just couldn't make head or tail of the nonsense you spew.

Next time? Because you are? 🤣🤣🤣.

My assertion remains.

Dude, you are disgracing yourself. You don't understand what governance is but you think you are learned. How is that possible? This not about personal opinion but by established historical facts had proven Black man had governed themselves before Colonialist dismantled natural borders.. That itself is innovation. If you like dey deceive yourself.

Lee Kwan Yew gave one reason out of many, why current Africans arrangement can't govern themselves in this dispensation.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYkZg9rB1QN/?igsh=ZjFkYzMzMDQzZg%3D%3D

For those who would like to learn. Watch why current setups can't govern themselves.

Mujtahida:
Nothing you have said here that is new to me but sorry the way you marshal your point is so unintelligent that I can't reply to it. Cheers

Because you are not intelligent enough to comprehend, and as usual spew your brainwashed knowledge as usual. I was never expecting you to respond. Next time don't come here and make jargons you can't defend with facts.

Mujtahida:
"Egypt was sub Sahara before Arab conquest."

😂😂😂 This one probably don go read Chiekh Anta Diop(that's if you even know he's the one who propounded what you asserted).

You built the pyramids in faraway Egypt but right here in sub saharan Africa, no single ancient archeological finding of something as simple yet fundamental as a wheel.

Black people even say they built Japan. What a people.

Anakogheri.

Just say that your ethnic group had no significant ancient archaeological findings.

I think you are just a novice in this field.

The same way you believe Mongo Park discovered River Niger. What an irony.

Because somebody called it Sub Saharan Africa doesn't change the fact Egypt was unquestionably African, but whether it should be classified as Sub-Saharan Africa depends on the period and the definition being used.

You have been brainwashed totally.

Mujtahida:
So much words full of nonsense. I didn't deviate from my assertion. You said black man taught the world civilization. Show me in the retention of our language and words in all the forms of modern civilization. Not Cho Cho Cho.

Innovation includes innovations in the forms of governance and if you think innovation has no effect on governance, then you aren't worth having this conversation with. Go and read how the innovation of printing press and gun changed governance and affected civilization.

Yes at the time China, India and other countries were colonized they were weak. Colonization is the outcome of conquest. Your reasoning is frighteningly poor.

I assert that the black man does not know how to govern. The evidence is before our eyes. My last response on this topic not because I can't go on with you but I don't want to derail the thread.

Stop stewing nonsense. If you don't know or your ethnic group had no form of governance that's your problem. As far as I am concerned, mine had and it was well written in world history.

My first response to your fallacy "Black man doesn't know how to govern" was well debunked in that explanation. Only person or persons in their right senses can make sense out of it, not one brainwashed.

Just say your ethnic group had no form of governance and civilization and stop lumping others into it. That is the evidence before your eyes.

Secondly, I will take back my words that civilization came from Africa but it doesn't change the fact that white didn"t bring civilization to the whole of Africans. Yes, I acknowledge that some got civilization from whites. Those without structure and goverance.

However, civilization evolved differently from different regions. From Mesopotamia to Egypt, to China etc. No one can claim civilization entirely.


What is civilization? What is innovation? What is conquest? I think that is beyond you because you are confused.

Let me apply your logic.

Because Roman conquered Greek, it had no form of governance and civilization.

British conquered India because it could not govern themselves and never experienced civilization in their entire history. You are day dreaming.


"Innovation includes innovations in the forms of governance and if you think innovation has no effect on governance,"

I can see you are confused with this your statement.

First, civilization and modern global dominance are not the same thing. The fact that modern institutions retain more European languages, political systems, technologies, and intellectual traditions does not prove that Africans lacked sophisticated systems of governance. Period.

Second, you are right that innovation can transform governance. The printing press changed the distribution of information and political authority. Gunpowder changed warfare and state formation. But that argument actually creates a problem for your conclusion.

if technological and institutional innovation influences state capacity, then we must ask why particular societies accumulated those advantages at particular historical periods, rather than simply attributing their success or failure to the governing ability of an entire racial group.

Who innovated gunpowder? China.

Who adopted and accumulated the advantages? European states. The same European states used it to colonize China. Was it European innovation? No.

Innovation can improve governance but it doesn't mean that innovation can't be adopted to improve governance.

Lastly, Africa had diverse political systems, and some demonstrated sophisticated governance.

The Mali and Songhai empires developed administrative structures over large territories.

The Kingdom of Benin had centralized political authority, specialized institutions, extensive trade, and significant urban development.

Ethiopia maintained an independent state for centuries despite enormous external pressures.

The Asante state developed centralized political institutions and mechanisms for incorporating different territories and peoples.

These examples don't prove that African governance was universally successful—but they directly contradict the claim that the Black man does not know how to govern.


Are you saying those political systems lacked innovation?

Maybe your ethnic group didn't experience that but it doesn't mean some didn't have.

Innovation evolves and it is never static.

Conquest evolves from generation to the generation. It doesn't mean those conquered never had civilization.

Let me educate you about world conquest by going spiritual. This is a rejoinder to "show me the retention of language and words in all form of modern civilization"

In Daniel, Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of the great image and that has influenced the world in writing and language in each period.

The image had five sections/materials:

1. Gold - head
Daniel 2:32, 38 - “thou art this head of gold.” Represents the Babylonian kingdom.
2. Silver- chest and arms
Daniel 2:32, 39
Represents the kingdom of Medis and Persians
3. Bronze (brass) - belly and thighs
Daniel 2:32, 39
Represents the Greek empire (Alexander III of Mecadon known as Alexander the great(
4. Iron - legs
Daniel 2:33, 40
The fourth kingdom, represents the Roman empire
5. Iron mixed with clay — feet and toes
Daniel 2:33, 41–43
A divided kingdom: “partly strong, and partly broken. Refers to modern civilization. No single country can lay claim to dominate the whole world. But
6. The last Kingdom is Jesus. Now is the kingdom.

One notable thing they did was Linguistic assimilation which is replacing or suppressing the native language in favor of the dominant language.

Maybe you are naive about that.

Ajami script was already used by Hausa, Fulani, Yoruba, Kanuri etc to study and communicate long before oyinbo brought Roman script.

There were written systems solely developed by Indigenous Africans apart from Ajami adopted from Arab. Don't be naive.

Nsidibi, Ge'ez, Tifinagh were Indigenous writing systems.

The Egyptian hieroglyphs metaphored to Proto-Sinaitic script to the Phoenician alphabet, then to Greek alphabet to finally Latin alphabet. Go and do research. It is your homework.

Mujtahida:
I talk am. E no go pass Egypt. Leave Egypt abeg. Show us sub Saharan civilization.

Egypt was sub Sahara before Arab conquest. You don't have an idea.

It is like saying leave Turkey, and talk about Middle East because they are now part of European union.

Mujtahida:
We were lumped together because we were weak. Enslaved and colonized because we were weak. And we still are. I am not delusional about these things. Many of you try to run from the pain of admitting our people are weak by lying to yourselves.

No wonder we are still backwards. Look at what you are attaching the name of empire and civilization to. I know them - Mali, asante, Songhai, even my people had kwararafa. I know of Aksum, I know Timbuktu, I know of Nubia. All Empires and kingdoms of mud and dust. The value of a thing is known by comparison. If we compare all of these you mentioned with other kingdoms, we will cover our faces in shame.

Black man did not teach the world any civilization! Gosh! Let me give you a small clue. Language and words. When you contribute to anything, even after centuries your words and concepts will outlive your physical empire, presence and contact.

Take the Arab and Persian contribution to European science, mathematics, music, architecture, military engineering, literature, philosophy due to the contact between the Arab and Persian world with Europe from the 7th century through the middle ages, the enlightenment period and the dawn of the modern era.
for example: algebra is derived from al-jabr, alkaline is derived from the Arabic al-qalīy, carat from kirat, alchemy from al-kīmīā, camphor from kafur, Alcohol from al-kuḥūl, algorithm from the great Persian mathematician Al kwarizmi, cotton from kutn, admiral from amir, candy from qandi, caravan from qaīrawān assassin from the deadly marauders known as hashassin.

The catalogue of words and concepts which the Arabs and Persians donated to European civilization is so vast. These are just a few.

Now show me the words from your African languages (as per na we give the world civilization) that is retained in science, in art, in military engineering, in architecture across the world? Show me the Yoruba, igbo, Efik, fante, wollof, fulfulde words that mark our contribution to civilization in all its forms. E no go pass for you to go Egypt.

Please I'm not a rookie on this topic. There was a time I was in my pan African phase. Can't fool myself forever. Nonsense. No make me vex abeg.

Don't deviate from the topic. "Black man does not know how to govern," na big fallacy.

Confusing governance with innovative is the most nonsensical thing to think. It shows you lack the basic knowledge and principles of governance. And I think you got this from your colonial masters textbook.

Innovation does not connote good governance, and the absence of globally famous innovations does not mean that Black Africans do not know how to govern.

Do you understand now? Maybe your village didn't have have any form of good goverance before colonial master brain washed you, but others that had even had ambassadors overseas before that colonial master came.

Let me educate you a little. Mere names and words don't mean some countries singlehandedly innovated something. For example Algebra. Who deceived you it was Arab innovation?

Innovation or technology can spread through imitation, migration, trade, conquest, or incorporation without preserving the original language of the inventors.

Therefore, who developed algebra?, Who preserved it?, Who transmitted it?, Who transformed it?, Who popularized it globally?

It was never originally invented by the Arabs or Persian. Na your salvage colonial master in Europe that encountered the Arab text books adopted the words.

I can mention many mathematical innovation by black man but does that connotes good governance? You are confused.

Now, innovation equals creating or improving technologies, methods, institutions, or ideas.

Meanwhile, governance equals how political authority is organized and exercised law, administration, taxation, justice, security, accountability, succession, public services, etc.

The ability of a government to actually implement decisions and provide services equals state capability.

Economic development equals the ability to sustain productivity, investment, infrastructure, and rising living standards.

Are you saying all these features were not found in African kingdoms of Mali, Songhai, Ethiopia, Benin, Kongo, Asante, Oyo, Great Zimbabwe and other African states that had different systems of kingship, taxation, administration, diplomacy, military organization, law and commerce because of "mud and dust"? Or connotes "Black man doesn't know how to govern themselves? Gosh!!!

Let me shock you, A society can be highly innovative but poorly governed, or well governed without producing world-changing innovations.

You conclusion simply doesn't follow logically.

It shows that all the world were weak because most were colonized. China, India, UK, etc were all weak because they were all colonized.

Your take is weak. I swear.

Compare at what century? Go and read the account of how Benin Kingdom was more organized that London (your lord and personal savior) in the 16th and 17th century.

London was disorganized and full of crime in the 16th to 17 century while Benin City was deliberately planned and had extensive roads/avenues and sophisticated urban organization

"Roads and avenues: Historical accounts describe broad streets/avenues radiating through the city and connecting the royal palace with different parts of the kingdom."

Do you think all ethnic groups in Nigeria had no form of governance or civilization?

Do you think all wore leaves to cover bottom or walked nakedly? You don't have an idea of good governance. Stop confusing yourself.

Napoleon55:

But no single group or region taught anyone civilization rather different ancient societies developed civilized life in different part of the world independently, before some starts to enslave and colonize others.

Apart from historical legacy,does pyramid really add any value to Africa or the world

Okay na. Why do they calm oyinbo brought civilization to the region called Africa?

Make wey dey do as dem do na.

Sugarboyy:
Boss, we are saying the same thing but in different ways. We are both deliberating what would be the best for Nigeria sports. With my idea of how politics and government works, I'm telling you that no matter what, most state governments can partially sell of their clubs, with the state retaining like 10-20% ownership, but they will hardly let go or sell their stadiums. Do you know why? Because firstly they built it with tax payers money, secondly most of these stadiums are used by the citizens in all sports and lastly which would be the number one hindrance, these same citizens might not support the state governments. A case study is what has been happening in Edo State, my State. There is an EDO HOUSE located in V.I Lagos, own by Edo State government. The building contributes absolutely nothing to Edo economy as at today and even when the governor's have tried to sell it off and use the money to build maybe a Benin City Mall in Edo State, it has always been protests upon protests 🪧. Again, I don't know much about Ibadan but you see Edo State? No governor would dare wake up and for whatever reasons says he wants to sell the Samuel Ogbemudia stadium.

Well, they can make arrangement to lease and later develop their own.