Xposed2020: I know you can't answer my questions and don't have answers or solutions to all the discrepancies littered all over your Bible. I am putting up all these for those that have and use their brains to take it up as a challenge and read up the verses & clips I put forward & by implications read the whole Bible.
Islam is not like Christianity that a Scholar clearly misinterprets the words of God and you take it hook, line and sinker.
I understood why you wanted me to agree with a scholar as against the words of God clearly written. It is because that's how Christianity was founded as against Jesus words to St. Paul's.
The Paul you are castigating, your prophet referred to in the quran that your islamic scholar, al-Qurtubi, agrees with and says Paul was sent to Rome. Or you want to throw Al Qurtubi under the bus as you did for Ibn Khatir ? or you just practicing tequiyya that you guys are famous for?
Xposed2020: I know you can't answer my questions and don't have answers or solutions to all the discrepancies littered all over your Bible. I am putting up all these for those that have and use their brains to take it up as a challenge and read up the verses & clips I put forward & by implications read the whole Bible.
Islam is not like Christianity that a Scholar clearly misinterprets the words of God and you take it hook, line and sinker.
I understood why you wanted me to agree with a scholar as against the words of God clearly written. It is because that's how Christianity was founded as against Jesus words to St. Paul's.
You dont have opinions in isalm, once its in the hadith its a law. Your prophet asks you to drink camel urine and milk. You dare not condemn him for saying that, despite the fact that you know its harmful. so your opinion about camel urine does not count. Mohammed is always right.
The mistake you make is thinking Christianity was by Paul. the disciples were called christians before Paul was one. so how can that be logically possible that Paul created Christianity. Think about it.
Xposed2020: Mind you I did the above writeup myself as i only gave a link to Zakir Naik's video as to the reason for the second coming of Jesus Christ pbuh. InshaAllah I'll offer my book (The Origin of Faith) free to you when it is published.
I actually enjoy having discourse as it gives me inspiration and motivates me. I just thought of "The hypocrisy of Christians" and IshaAllah I'll acknowledge you there. I'll actually cite all what Christians condemn in the Qur'an that was found in the Bible and if the basis of rejecting the Qur'an will make them reject their Holy Bible.
If you have a book am sure it will contain lots of half truths, and cherry picking. Ordinary conversation on nairaland you are committing into fallacies all over the place. I wonder who reviews the book and gave it a pass. So according to you , you know the quran is not perfect based on what christians say about the quran.
Xposed2020: Racism originate from Jesus Christ. Okay?
Am ashamed for Christians. Is the earth Flat? Does water cycle exist or not? Does the earth moves? At least if not for anything, if Christians do use their brains, they ought to have denounced a concocted faith that only insane, blind, deaf & dump people ought to practice.
See how you avoided my question? I asked you a direct question, and as usual, red herring again. If you as logically sound as you claim. Answer the question. Why diverting attention to an unrelated statement. E.g I ask you "Did you log on the Nairaland via the internet today?" and your response is telling me the history of the internet. Can you see there is no relationship. There is something called critical analysis. Try look it up.
Xposed2020: Well, lemme assist you for those who care to listen. How Christianity was founded.
- Miraculous Birth of Christ.
Adam (1Timothy 2:13) and Melchizedek (Hebrew 7:3) were without father and mother unlike Jesus that has mother (Matthew 1;16).
- People saw Jesus performing miracles just as others before him did (Joshua; the sun & moon stood still Joshua 10:12-14, Aaron; Exodus 7:10-12, 7:20-25, 18:5-14, Exodus 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17; Num 17:8, 20:7-11, 21:8-9, Joshua 3:14-17; Elisah raised the shunammite's son 2kings 4:32-37, 2king chapter 2, 3, 4 & 5; Dead man raised by touching his bone (2kings 13:21) Daniel 6:16-23; Jonah 2:1-10; https://www.bible-history.com/old-testament/miracles.html )
Origin of Salvation - Caiaphas the high priest that year told the Jewish leaders "it's expedient Jesus die for others" so that the Romans won't kill & take over their land (John 11:50, 18:14). So from that day on, the Jews plotted to take Jesus' life which prompted him into hiding for his dear life. (John 11:53-54). They tried to kill Jesus by obtaining false testimony (Matt 26:59). Besides the high priest has a bad character.
- The signs of Jonah was not fulfilled (Jonah being alive in the belly of the whale for 3days, 3 nights as against Jesus "dead" for 1day, 2nights).
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17).
- Jesus denounce divinity on numerous occasions but the people won't take no for an answer.
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone (Matthew 24:36).
I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will. (John 5:30).
"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'" (John 14:28).
No, it is rather by means of God's power that I drive out demons, and this proves that the Kingdom of God has already come to you. (Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28).
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. (John 10:29).
“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know (Acts 2:22).
- Jesus Christ came for the Jews only according to his testimony, he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel/Jews. (Matthew 15:24, Matthew 10:6, Romans 9:11).
- But Jesus will come back to save the World
Nope! He was kept as a witness against those that thought he was God and worshipped him.
Xposed2020: Go back & read, then we talk. My boss of blessed memory taught me something before the President said Nigerian Youths are Lazy. We don't read to understand, no in depth analysis, we even barely glance yet we ask too much questions when most times the answers are therein. Go back and read then come up with questions & Insha Allah I'll respond approximately. I'll can promise you , non of my questions will you answer. Because its beyond you, many Christians converted because of such blunders in the Bible. Esp those video links i sent to you and you were afraid of accessing.
What are you talking about, I ask you questions you, you willfully ignore them and you expect me to answer your own questions? You send video links that are not relevant to the conversation. For your info a lot of your videos i have seen in the past.so they tell me nothing new. All of your videos have been refuted. When ever i ask you a question that involves logic, a yes or no answer, you send a video or use the red herring fallacy. All i see you doing above is boasting. If you are that good, answer the questions i posed earlier. Do not send me videos the debate is with text not video.
E.g I asked you about what the charge was against Jesus when Pilate asked, you were replying me with what the high priests said in their meeting. How do these relate? And you are telling me of how understanding and in-depth analysis. its like asking a kid "what is your name?" And the child starts describing what he had for breakfast. If you are so good answer my questions don't just run away like your fellows do.
Xposed2020: Jesus your lord and personal saviour does not know water cycle, and you can't inquire why this is happening. And you want to defend the indefensible?
Rainwater does not return to the sky (Isa 55:10)
Chief you are running away, shebi u said you are so good in debating, answer my questions e. you are trying to cover the question with irrelevant content. Did Mohammed racially abuse Bilal by calling him a resin head, yes or no?
Xposed2020: Earth is about 6000 years old, as calculated from the genealogies in Gen and Luke 3. (see the problem of a young earth later in the outline)
Rainwater does not return to the sky (Isa 55:10).
The moon has a light of its own (Isa 13:10, Matt 24).
Whales were created before insects (Gen 1:21-24).
Some fowl and insects have four legs (Lev 11:20-23).
Cattle will produce striped offspring if they see striped poles when breeding (Gen 30:37-41).
Birds were created before land animals (Gen 1:20, 24). - Fossil record shows exact opposite.
Earth does not move (Ps 93:1, 96:10, 104:5, 1 Chr 16:30).
Death or illness is caused by sin (Gen 2:17, Lev 26:16, 21, 25, Deut 7:15, 28:21, 27, James 1:15).
Kindly attempt all questions, time allowed 24hrs. Good luck.
I have lots more. When you are done, we will continue from there.
Am happy about all these but you haven't answered my question about the sheep and the Quran, what happened with khybar and Mohammed etc.
Xposed2020: If you realize, I do reply your questions that I missed later on. But there are silly questions you asked that made me understood all the response I was doing was in vain. Example. Bilal wanted to remain with the prophet and was not his slave but was freed from his master, was even financial secretary which was in my response but when you asked why he wasn't freed, then I realised the kind of person I was dealing with. I initially placed you above your status & level until again you repeated same scenario for other subjects that I realized the task at hand. Same thing when I gave you Qur'anic verses in the writeup & attached screenshot of the verse underlined some words on jizya, then at the end included Britannica link and your response was shocking. That you don't want ....., only Qur'an and you were bringing tafsir that I should accept it against the Qur'anic verses. You see the difference between me and you, is that I read my scripture myself and not allow someone to read the words of God and interprete it for me differently.
What about the resin head comment. Why did u ignore that one.
Xposed2020: the Protoevangelium of James. This non canonical gospel was actually composed some time in the 2nd century AD. It is very known in most churches, including oriental churches. Of course, it is of dubious source, but it has been well known and illustrated in whole Christianity.
And Joseph, throwing away his axe, went out to meet them (= the Mary's parents); and when they had assembled, they went away to the high priest, taking with them their rods. And he, taking the rods of all of them, entered into the temple, and prayed; and having ended his prayer, he took the rods and came out, and gave them to them: but there was no sign in them, and Joseph took his rod last; and, behold, a dove came out of the rod, and flew upon Joseph's head. And the priest said to Joseph, You have been chosen by lot to take into your keeping the virgin of the Lord. But Joseph refused, saying: I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl. I am afraid lest I become a laughing-stock to the sons of Israel. And the priest said to Joseph: Fear the Lord your God, and remember what the Lord did to Dathan, and Abiram, and Korah; how the earth opened, and they were swallowed up on account of their contradiction. And now fear, O Joseph, lest the same things happen in your house. And Joseph was afraid, and took her into his keeping. And Joseph said to Mary: Behold, I have received you from the temple of the Lord; and now I leave you in my house, and go away to build my buildings, and I shall come to you. The Lord will protect you.
So Old Joseph of 90 years took young Mary of 12 yrs without marriage and is ashamed of being a laughing stock.
Stop posting irrelevant posts. You are trying to divert from the answers i am demanding.answer my questions first then we can talk any thin else
Xposed2020: Well, lemme assist you for those who care to listen. How Christianity was founded.
- Miraculous Birth of Christ.
Adam (1Timothy 2:13) and Melchizedek (Hebrew 7:3) were without father and mother unlike Jesus that has mother (Matthew 1;16).
- People saw Jesus performing miracles just as others before him did (Joshua; the sun & moon stood still Joshua 10:12-14, Aaron; Exodus 7:10-12, 7:20-25, 18:5-14, Exodus 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17; Num 17:8, 20:7-11, 21:8-9, Joshua 3:14-17; Elisah raised the shunammite's son 2kings 4:32-37, 2king chapter 2, 3, 4 & 5; Dead man raised by touching his bone (2kings 13:21) Daniel 6:16-23; Jonah 2:1-10; https://www.bible-history.com/old-testament/miracles.html )
Origin of Salvation - Caiaphas the high priest that year told the Jewish leaders "it's expedient Jesus die for others" so that the Romans won't kill & take over their land (John 11:50, 18:14). So from that day on, the Jews plotted to take Jesus' life which prompted him into hiding for his dear life. (John 11:53-54). They tried to kill Jesus by obtaining false testimony (Matt 26:59). Besides the high priest has a bad character.
- The signs of Jonah was not fulfilled (Jonah being alive in the belly of the whale for 3days, 3 nights as against Jesus "dead" for 1day, 2nights).
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17).
- Jesus denounce divinity on numerous occasions but the people won't take no for an answer.
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone (Matthew 24:36).
I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will. (John 5:30).
"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'" (John 14:28).
No, it is rather by means of God's power that I drive out demons, and this proves that the Kingdom of God has already come to you. (Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28).
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. (John 10:29).
“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know (Acts 2:22).
- Jesus Christ came for the Jews only according to his testimony, he was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel/Jews. (Matthew 15:24, Matthew 10:6, Romans 9:11).
- But Jesus will come back to save the World
Nope! He was kept as a witness against those that thought he was God and worshipped him.
FELLOW BRETHREN PLEASE READ YOUR SCRIPTURE YOUR SELF AND NOT YOUR PASTOR OR EUROPEANS. Peace be unto you!
Do you know i asked some questions first. So answer . you are fond of trying to take control of the conversation. This time i will not allow you. Answer me. Thanks
Xposed2020: I have a principle, if the respond to a question & you ask again, I don't repeat myself because it means you were not following & not interested. So its a waste of time.
Lol. Run away like your guys. I asked a specific question. Answer, you are telling me history. I have mentioned all along that you have been ignoring questions. Instead either you show a video or post a long copy and paste. If you are as good as u claim you are. Answer me.
Xposed2020: Do you want me to lie or assume all knowing? Nahhhh. Just like it took you days to come up with lies about John 3:16, bosom of Abraham, in paradise, we all know it doesn't fit. But I just let it at least I allow you so that the discourse can continue.
Its your book that contains lies. Lies like the sister of moses was the mother of Jesus. Samaritans in the time of Moses, Solomon and his flying carpet that can carry his entire kingdom, Solomon hearing ants talk despite ants being mute, allah being the one that created the mule despite the fact that a mule is a cross between 2 animals
Xposed2020: Match ke. You are the least person I hv ever had discourse with. You denounced your faith because you don't want Jesus to be associated with violence now. Its all over the net. Have you forgotten
I am the least person you have ever discussed with yet you can't answer simple questions. If you so good why fall into fallacy?
Xposed2020: Answer the question and stop bringing "irrelevant comments ." Want brought taquiyya here again. Or you are just hearing it for the first time? Typical of a Christian. Why did you throw the 32scholars of highest eminence backed by 50 cooperating denominations under the bus just to save your skin. Due to shame, you cannot admit what they realized (interpolation in the Bible by humans under "guidance" ) not found in earlier manuscripts was more Correct than your KJV.
Highest eminence for ESV that most Christians don't use. Out of thousands of scholars why do 32 matter? Jehovah's witness have their version too. Catholics have theirs. But most Christians know the original one so they dont bother with wrong translations
Xposed2020: Match ke. You are the least person I hv ever had discourse with. You denounced your faith because you don't want Jesus to be associated with violence now. Its all over the net. Have you forgotten
Answer my question. Stop diverting. Answer it. Na only denounce faith. Answer my question if you are sure of your self.
Xposed2020: Unknown to you this is one of 3 verses Christians love so much. But as in tabuk, this one too is for self-defense as most battles.
Prior to Qur'an 33:26-27,
(33:9) Believers, call to mind Allah's favour to you when enemy hosts invaded you. [/b]Then We sent against them a wind and hosts that you did not see although Allah was observing all that you were then doing.
(33:10) When they came upon you from above you and from below you, when your eyes were stupefied with horror and your hearts leapt to your throats, and you began to entertain diverse thoughts about Allah.
(33:14) [b]If the enemy were to enter the town from various directions, and they were summoned to act treacherously, they would have succumbed to it and would have shown little reluctance in doing so.
(33:16) (O Prophet), tell them: “If you run away from death or slaying, this flight will not avail you. You will have little time after that to enjoy (the pleasures of life).”
(33:25) Allah sent back the unbelievers empty-handed, their hearts seething with rage. Allah sufficed the believers in their fight. Allah is Most Powerful, Most Mighty.
(33:26) Allah brought down from their fortresses those People of the Book who had supported the invading confederates and cast such terror into their hearts that some of them you kill and some of them you take captive.
(33:27) Allah made you inherit their land, their dwellings, and their goods, and a piece of land on which you had not yet trodden. Verily Allah has power over all things.
Ok so tell me when Christians invaded or attacked Mohammed
Its embarrassing right? You know i tell the truth. You are really skilled at evading questions and using red herring fallacies. But u have met your match. Did a sheep eat part of the Qur'an about adult breast feeding or not?
Xposed2020: Answer me I answer you Besides I already gave you all you need to know about Bilal. If you fail to read, that's your problem. You are bereft of argument that's why you kept on repeating same questions. I have done Justice on the subject on Bilal, so go back and read it. Same on Jizya. Servant/Slaves of God and others. Also gave you Qur'anic evidence but typical of you, you don't want Qur'anic sources rather you prefer what smoothens yr narrative which was tafsir of a single scholar else taqqiya meanwhile you denounced 32 Christian scholars back . . . earlier.
Enough of this digressing. Well let's get started.
I asked you a question answer it. I know about bilial already. Did Mohammed racially abuse him by calling him a resin head? Why did Mohammed not free him despite him being a Muslim. Is it cos he is black?
Xposed2020: That's the point. So all decision taking was with his inputs. Even though we are made to understand "the word was God". Had it been " the word was God's" , one will absorb Jesus of all killings, massacre, sex slaves, murder attempt because God the creator could do as He pleases & who are we to question Him. But its either Jesus has stake in divinity or he doesn't. The decision is left for Christians. Accept his divinity & he is complicit, denounce it and Christianity crumbles.
If this same God spoke to Moses and Abraham, and Mohammed claims it was Allah that spoke to these 2. Am sure you know What that means.
Xposed2020: Alhamdulillah! So for every order God gave in the Glorious Qur'an was for a reason. You see the difference between you and I, is that I knew these all along but you don't know. I hardly question why all these happened in the Bible but only to awaken you from the self imposed slumber. I only pinpoint fabrications & interpolations in your Scripture.
What are you talking about? Which glorious Qur'an? The one a sheep ate parts of?
Xposed2020: Never killed a dog because I never had to.
Your prophet i mean. He said the black dog is the devil. And also it scares angels. You aways avoid questions. I asked about mohammed's slave that used to shout the Adhan while he sleeps soundly, you ignored the question as well as others
Xposed2020: Thought all preachers were reading from same Bible? I told you to desist bringing preachers opinion. I didn't throw anyone under the bus. One can have a different view or opinion on same subject matter and its allowed. Just as you had a different opinion with Daddy freeze. I am bringing up most examples to show you what you are doing.
The cardinal point in Islam is that Allah is one & only He should be worshipped 5times daily and endeavour to do righteous deeds. And the Qur'an is the Major source of Authority in Islam. Not anyone's opinion. Any teachings, preaching or covenant that is in contrast to the Qur'an, it's null & void.
That's why Shia and Sunni kill themselves all the time right?
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