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https://www.al-islam.org/the-message-ayatullah-jafar-subhani/chapter-53-battle-tabuk

https://www.al-islam.org/restatement-history-islam-and-muslims-sayyid-ali-ashgar-razwy/expedition-tabuk

Even the Tabuk you love to mention, was a defensive ops.
If God instruct them to defend themselves they shouldn't because of Fortran12 doesn't agree to that?
Why didn't you challenge God in all those places in the Bible?
If you have a problem with battles Muslims fought during the lifetime of prophet Muhammad pbuh, kindly direct it to God Almighty & ask Him why sanction it as He did in the Bible.
When a christain challenges a Muslim on war, you will think as if no single war or bloodshed in the Bible.

So the ppl if khybar attacked Mohammad?

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I gave you Qur'anic verses and you are still bringing someone's opinion.
Is Daddy Freeze not also your scholar that you deny to save your skin?
Anyway Judas did it, the disciples did same and finally the Father forsook the son for obvious reasons.

I asked you a question is ibn khatir a radical muslim?
I know you don't agree with him so no need yo send proof. Just answer my question

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Why Question his authority in the Qur'an?
Is it by force to be an Ally of unbelievers?
God destroyed Unbelievers in numerous verses of the Bible yet you are not angry about that, its the Qur'anic verses that's your problem.

Cos the allah is an imagination from the mind of Mohammed. If Mohammed had left ppl alone. But noo, he had to go on a killing spree and asked his followers to attack Jews and Christians

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Do you support genocide?
Murder of innocent women, children, animals, etc.
Islam forbids this.

But you can kill black dogs. First agree then i will explain.
You always dodging answering questions

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It is also in your scripture.
In the process of absolving Jesus, you denounced Christianity.

Thank God at least we agree your prophet was a violent man. So next question.

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I don't know.
Do you take daddy freeze preaching?
Did Daddy freeze made-up all his preachings or they are what he learnt from the Bible?

I am not a member of DJ freeze's church and he has his own opinion.
You still have not answered my question. Stop diverting attention with irrelevant comment
I see as you threw your scholar under the bus to save your own skin.

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Origin of Racial discrimination brought by Jesus as an active member of Trinity.

(Nehemiah 13:3, 23, 25, 27):

And it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the alien mixture… Also in those days, I saw the Jews who had married Ashdodite, Ammonite, and Moabite women… And I quarreled with them, and I cursed them, and I struck some of them, and I plucked out their hair, and I adjured them by G‑d, “You shall not give your daughters to their sons nor take their daughters either for your sons or for yourselves… Shall we then hearken to you to do all this great evil to betray our G‑d to marry foreign women?”

As you can see God forbade them to marry foreign women cos these would bring them to idolatry. Its the same thing with Solomon

FlordFlorez:
I said it. Their legal system supports and believes policemen. I hope this wouldn't anger the protesters to do more damages.

Damages as in loot like thieves?

Favoritedealer:
Mexicans,Chinese etc has more illegal immigrants than Nigeria coupled with their misunderstanding with the USA they still didn't face any ban.the truth is bitter bruv.
But it becomes a nuisance when you look the truth in the face and go with another thing because it hurts.
He is racist to the citizens of the country he governs what more y'all that have no affiliation whatsoever with him.

It was not only Nigerians he banned, and how has he been racist to Americans? He also does not allow Mexicans to cross the border. Nigerians can still travel, just that they have to apply and enter legally. No more entry on a visit/ student visa and over stay.

lexy2014:
What are d dirty secrets?

go on twitter and search for pizzagate , pizzaparty and obamagate

Golan007:
It was close in 2016 and no, this isn't about CNN.

Trump has been divisive but more importantly, he's been thumping his chest for years on the state of the economy.

Well, nothing can reverse the economy to pre-covid levels by Novermber and the electorate would make him know of it.

Those who have lost family members from the 112k that have died would let him know of it.

Then you have the borderline voters, the black voters who really weren't interested in voting, the Republicans who have been betrayed or dismayed by his governance and you have the I international community.

Trump is gone and I'll say good riddance.

Let the election hold, just wait and see. Everyone knows that the virus stats were padded.

Favoritedealer:
The problem with nairalanders is a low self esteem and a desperate attempt to belong, any african with a brain will not support trump and by the way 99.9% of them have never being to the USA so they just rely on the hogwash they hear from the media.trump has been openly racist for as long as I can remember.
A man purposely placed your country on a immigration ban in an attempt to deny you from entering his country and you're singing his praise,that is a new form of low self esteem.

Nigerians spoiled their chance, they came in droves and over stayed after the expiration of their visa.

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Provide evidence.

Lets start from here
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. - Quran 5 vs 51.

and lets stop here

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
Quran 8 vs12

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Jesus did promote sex slaves.

Stop cherry picking, tell the whole story

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Then who is he?

Jesus is part of the Trinity. The one through whom things were created.

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Provide proof.



(Of them is he who saith: Grant me leave (to stay at home) and tempt me not…) [9:49]. This was revealed about Jadd ibn Qays the hypocrite. This is because when the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, was preparing for the Battle of Tabuk, he said to him: “O Abu Wahb, would you not like to have scores of Byzantine women and men as concubines and servants?” He said: “O Messenger of Allah, my people know that I am very fond of women and, if I see the women of the Byzantines, I fear I will not be able to hold back. So do not tempt me by them, and allow me not to join and, instead, I will assist you with my wealth”. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, turned away from him and said: “I allow you”, and so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse. When this verse was revealed, the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, asked Banu Salamah, the tribe of al-Jadd: “Who is your master, O Banu Salamah?” They said: “Al-Jadd ibn Qays except that he is a miser and a coward”. The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, responded: “Is there any sickness worse than miserliness? Rather, your master is the fair, curly-haired youth: Bishr ibn al-Bara' ibn Ma'rur”. Hasan ibn Thabit composed about him the following lines: And the Messenger of Allah said and truth catches up With him about whom he said: who do you consider as your master. We said: Jadd ibn Qays even though We consider him a miser and a troublesome one. He said: what is worse than that With which you reproach Jadd and which make a hand needy. And he appointed Bishr ibn al-Bara' as chief for his magnanimity And it is befitting that Bishr who answers others' call be appointed as chief. When a delegation comes to him, he spends his wealth And says: take it for tomorrow it will return. The verses after this one verse and up to Allah's words (The alms are only for the poor and the needy) [9:60] are about the hypocrites.

Where was battle of Tabuk fought?

NB.
After Battle, we have POW and war booty was shared even before the Prophet but unlike (Numbers 31:13-18, Ephesians 6:5). That involves genocide {unjust war}
The person in question was a hypocrite & a coward. naturally the Prophet would not and did not take him to war because of his character. Upon his love for women which was well known, he offer to support the Prophet pbuh with wealth instead for obvious reasons as the tafsir clearly says.

So Mohammed wanted to raid the ppl for what? Blonde girls and servants? What evil did they commit against him.
We all know Mohammed liked women. 11 wives and numerous concubines. He even asked if women will give themselves to him.
Just like he attacked khybar for no valid reason

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Bilal ibn Rabah (580–640 AD) was one of the most trusted and loyal Sahabah (companions) of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. He was born in Mecca and is considered to have been the first mu'azzin, chosen by Muhammad himself for his beautiful voice with which he called people to their prayers.

When Muhammad announced his prophethood and started to preach the message of Islam, Bilal renounced idol worship, becoming one of the earliest converts to the faith.

When Bilal's slave master, Umayyah ibn Khalaf, found out, he began to torture Bilal. At the instigation of Abu Jahl, Umayyah bound Bilal and had him dragged around Mecca as children mocked him. Bilal refused to renounce Islam, instead repeating "Ahad Ahad" (God is absolute/one). Incensed at Bilal's refusal, Umayyah ordered that Bilal be whipped and beaten while spread-eagled upon the Arabian sands under the desert sun, his limbs bound to stakes. When Bilal still refused to recant, Umayyah ordered that a hot boulder be placed on Bilal's chest. However, Bilal remained firm in belief and continued to say "Ahad Ahad". the emancipation of Bilal was through Abubakr who manumitted him.

Bilal rose to prominence in the Islamic community of Medina, as Muhammad pbuh appointed him minister of the Bayt al-Mal (treasury).

Muhammad pbuh chose Bilal as the first mu'azzin (reciter of the Adhan).

https://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/article_103642.shtml

https://sunnahonline.com/library/history-of-islam/307-bilal-ibn-rabah

Historical, scriptural evidences & facts proved you wrong again.

Quote from your hadith. Mohammed did not free him before he died. Did Mohammed refer to his head like that of a resin or not. Answer the questions and don't quote me white washed text.use your Islamic sources.

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Tafsir (forced according to you) or Qur'anic verses (willingly)? @ attached.
Example; If any law is in conflict with the Nigerian constitution, the constitution take precedence.
Now during tafsir, the preacher might assume 1 or 2 as to what definition of fight was intended depending on his stance (hardliner or moderate).
So, I might not agree with a preacher.
Shekau & Muhammed Yusuf were preachers in their own right.
And I don't concur to their preachings.

So ibn Khatir was a radical muslim right? We should disregard all his text.
Did he make up all his preaching? Or these are things he heard Mohammed say.

[quote author=Xposed2020 post=90448297][/quote]Look again i asked a question if Mohammed brought allah how come his fatherr was bearing abdullah?

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Historical, scriptural evidences & facts, proved you wrong again.

All you need to know about Jizya.
https://quran.com/9
We begin with a proper explanation of what exactly is a dhimmi. Dhimmi is a historical term referring to non-Muslim subjects of a Muslim state. The word literally means, “One whose responsibility is taken” or “people with whom a covenant or compact has been made”. The word describes citizens of a Muslim State afforded security over their persons, property and religious practice in return for a tax, the jizya. Historically, when empires won battles and wars, common men were subjugated, looted and forced to work as laborers and serve in the military. Islam did away with such practice by affording all non-Muslim subjects the special dhimmi status.

Dhimmis had a special place in Medina. Prophet Muhammad pbuh said, “If anyone wrongs a man with whom a covenant has been made [i.e. a dhimmi], or curtails any right of his, or imposes on him more than he can bear, or takes anything from him without his ready agreement, I shall be his adversary on the Day of Resurrection.”

He also made it clear that the protection of their life and honor was the responsibility of the Muslims, and failing in this regard would incur God’s wrath, “Whoever killed a Mu’ahid (a person who is granted the pledge of protection by the Muslims, i.e. a dhimmi) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty years (of traveling).” At the conquest of Mecca, Prophet Muhammad(sa) had the upper hand against the personalities who had persecuted him for over two decades. He could have silenced his enemies forever. Instead, he turned to the Meccans and asked:

‘O’ Quraish! How do you think I would treat you?’ They replied: ‘We expect nothing but good from you as you are a noble and kind brother to us and the son of a noble and kind brother as well.’ The Prophet said, ‘I say to you what the Prophet Joseph said to his brothers: ‘No blame shall lie on you this day! You are free to go.’

Even before the conquest of Mecca, the Charter of Medina set the precedent for the treatment of mu’ahids (dhimmis are those non-Muslim subjects who become subjects after a war. If there is no war and there is a negotiated settlement then they are called mu’ahids). When Prophet Muhammad pbuh was popularly appointed Medina’s ruler, he entered into a pact with the Jewish communities of Medina. Through this pact, he granted equal political rights to non-Muslims. They were ensured complete freedom of religion. They were not required to take part in the religious wars of the Muslims, but were required to fight a common enemy of the State. Even as the head of state, Prophet Muhammad pbuh afforded non-Muslims the same social status he afforded Muslims. For example, “Once a funeral procession passed before Prophet Muhammad pbuh and he stood up [out of respect]. He was told that he [the dead man] was a Jew. Upon this he remarked: ‘Was he not a human being or did he not have a soul?’

After the Prophet Muhammad’s demise, non-Muslim inhabitants of the fast-expanding Islamic empire enjoyed the same dignified treatment. When Umar, Second Khalifa of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, conquered Jerusalem, he entered into a pact with all inhabitants of the city, declaring:

In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, most Beneficent. This is a covenant of peace granted by the slave of Allah, the commander of the faithful ‘Umar to the people of Jerusalem. They are granted protection for their lives, their property, their churches, and their Crosses, in whatever condition they are. All of them are granted the same protection. No one will dwell in their churches, nor will they be destroyed and nothing will be reduced of their belongings. Nothing shall be taken from their Crosses or their property. There will be no compulsion on them regarding their religion, nor will any one of them be troubled.

A dhimmi assassinated Umar in 644 CE. Rather than lashing out against dhimmis, at his deathbed,  Umar specifically ordered:

I urge him (i.e., the new Caliph) to take care of those non-Muslims who are under the protection of Allah and His Messenger in that he should observe the convention agreed upon with them, and fight on their behalf (to secure their safety) and he should not over-tax them beyond their capability.

The example we see from Umar specifically condemns taxing dhimmis beyond what they can bear. Instead, Muslims were commanded to care for dhimmis, fight for dhimmis, and to keep dhimmis safe.

Critics also allege that Umar enforced taxation on non-Muslims populations under penalty of death. To support this assertion, they cite the Qur’an 9:29:

Nowhere does the said verse suggest that death is a penalty for not paying your taxes. The Qur’an has mentioned the use of the death penalty elsewhere for other reasons, unrelated to tax evasion:

And kill not the soul which Allah has forbidden except for just cause. And whoso is killed wrongfully, We have surely given his heir authority to demand retaliation, but let him not exceed the prescribed bounds in slaying; for therein he is helped by law.

Islam has reserved the death penalty for such crimes as treason, murder, or other severe acts of violence that shock the conscience. Umar, Second Khalifa of Prophet Muhammad(sa), never sentenced a non-Muslim to death for not paying his taxes.

Critics allege that Muslim immigrants to Western nations consider themselves “divinely entitled” to the welfare payments they receive in these countries. Quoting the following verse, they claim that Muslims consider the Western nations their dhimmis and such welfare payment the jizya.

Fight those from among the People of the Book who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared to be unlawful, nor follow the true religion, until they pay the tax considering a favor and acknowledge their subjection.

Obviously, even plainly reading this verse demonstrates that no connection exists between the allegation and the verse itself. Having established that Islam required Muslims to protect dhimmis with equal and just treatment, we transition to the allegations regarding jizya.

Remember, the term dhimmi literally means “protected.” If no such protection existed, such minority communities could potentially be exploited. The jizya tax was the only tax imposed on non-Muslims, and it was less in number and amount than taxes on the Muslims of that state. The term jizya comes from same Arabic root as jaza’ which means “reward” and “compensation.” So according to Shariah law, that money returned to the minorities. The jizya tax, like other taxes, creates accountability on the part of the government to do right by its citizens—not unlike governments that deal with immigration and minority communities. In Christian ruled Sicily, for example, the Christian officials had such a tax for minorities—and they too called it jizya.

Thus, non-Muslims paid jizya as free citizens of the Muslim State in return for protection of their civil and political liberties. Aside from this, critics also hide the fact that Muslims were also taxed. The tax levied on Muslims was on some occasions a heavier tax than the jizya. Additionally, Muslims were obligated to perform military service, from which all non-Muslims were exempt.

Jizya served as the sole citizen tax to assure protection from all foreign attacks. Thus, if protection could not be promised then jizya was impermissible. In his book “The Preaching of Islam,” Thomas Arnold records a statement of the Muslim general, Khalid bin Waleed, “In a treaty made by Khalid with some town in the neighborhood of Hirah, he writes; ‘If we protect you, then Jizya is due to us; but if we do not, then it is not.’”

Abu Ubaida was a famous Muslim commander of Syria. When he entered the city of Hims, he made a pact with its non-Muslim inhabitants and collected the jizya as agreed. When the Muslims learned of a massive advance towards the city by the Roman Emperor Heraclius, they felt they would not be able to protect its citizens. Consequently, Abu Ubaida ordered all the dues taken as jizya to be returned to the people of the city. He said to the people of the city, “We are not able to defend you anymore and now you have complete authority over your matters.” Al-Azdi records Abu Ubaida’s statement as follows:

We have returned your wealth back to you because we detest taking your wealth and then failing to protect your land. We are moving to another area and have called upon our brethren, and then we will fight our enemy. If Allah helps us defeat them we shall fulfill our covenant with you except that you yourselves do not like it then.

More powerful, however, than the Muslims’ kind treatment, is the response that the people of Hims gave to the Muslims. They replied:

Verily your rule and justice is dearer to us than the tyranny and oppression in which we used to live. May God again make you ruler over us and may God’s curse be upon the Byzantines who used to rule over us. By the Lord, had it been they, they would have never returned us anything; instead they would have ceased all they could from our possessions.

These so-called “oppressed” dhimmis openly declared their desire to be under Muslim rule because it was just and fair. The famous French political thinker, Montesquieu, also highlights the fair treatment of non-Muslim citizens in Muslim lands:

It was this excess of taxes that occasioned the prodigious facility with which the Mahometans carried on their conquests. Instead of a continual series of extortions devised by the subtle avarice of the Greek emperors, the people were subjected to a simple tribute which was paid and collected with ease.

Professor Bernard Lewis observes that dhimmis welcomed the change from Byzantine to Arab rule who, “found the new yoke far lighter than the old, both in taxation and in other matters, and that some even among the Christians of Syria and Egypt preferred the rule of Islam to that of Byzantines.”

https://www.alislam.org/question/does-islam-oppress-dhimmis-and-demand-jizya-or-death/

This will help you understand Jizya.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/jizya

Even though I know you understood perfectly well but chose a tafsir that smoothens your narrative.

Quote me from your books not Britannia. Or is the Britannica or more value than your religious books. The Britannica will white wash it.
I.will still refer to the pact of umar. The jizyiah was to subjugate the. People. Some content in the pact said don't say salat to the jews and Christians , force them to the narrow path if you encounter them on the way.
Muslims instigate wars and conquer people. Muslims always the aggressor. Or you want to tell me all the battles the Muslims fought was in self defense

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Provide proof.

Battle of Tabuk, he said to him: “O Abu Wahb, would you not like to have SCORES OF BYZANTINE WOMEN AND MEN AS CONCUBINES AND SERVANTS?” He said: “O Messenger of Allah, my people know that I am very fond of women and, if I see the women of the Byzantines, I fear I will not be able to hold back. SO DO NOT TEMPT ME BY THEM, and allow me not to join and, instead, I will assist you with my wealth”
Am sure u know where this is from

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Jesus did promote sex slaves.

Show me where Jesus was mentioned.if you can't your claim is false.

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Define Racism.

Its discrimination against a people. So tell me how this is racism. Jesus was sent to the world. Anyone can be Christian.

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Jesus!
You mean the words of "God" carries errors.
Damn it!

The word of God is not ESV. ESV is a translation. The original sources still exist. Unlike the Qur'an that claims Allah created the world in 4 days then again he created in less than 4 days.

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Tafsir (Preaching).
But they did a more robust research and they are Christians.

So cos its Britannica means they Christians? Sorry, i have not seen anywhere in the bible that writing in the encyclopedia Britannica makes you a Christian. Forget research what does your book say? So ibn khatir is wrong and he is a fraud right?

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If this ain't the origin of racism, then what is it?
God for us All, Everyman for himself.

So cos God choose to use a group of people to send the messiah means he started racism? Really? Pls prove

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You can as well check pg 10 of the publishers note (Dr Collins) of the NRV in the book shop, Church library or from a friend. Because you know Muslims can make a claim as they are there to copy and claim Jesus.



I was only answering your question of providing proof.

Well, the general consensus among Christians is that the ESV has errors. So their opinion carries no weight.

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Hope it is not the same Umar RA that is been referred to below.

I sent you quotes from your book. You're sending me Britannica. Which carries more weight? The pact of Umar was to subjugate the Christians and I have shown you proof from your books

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Then I guess Christians should hold the following dearly :-
Leviticus 20:10; [put to death]
Matt 10:34 [came not for peace]
Luke 22:36 [get a sword]
Matt 15:9 [worship in vain]
Luke 2:21-39 [Circumcision of Christ]
2 Chronicles 15:6 [Christ causing trouble]
Exodus 6:20 [Jesus asked Christians to marry their aunt]
Deut 19:32-36 [Daughters sleeping and conceiving for their Fathers was sanctioned by Jesus]
Call you mother "woman" as your lord did.

All you are doing is cherry picking. Whn i quote an Islamic source i put the whole verse. I don't just pick a sentence and claim that is the subject of the text. Always be truthful.
Pls tell me where Jesus was mentioned in the old Testament.
You asked if Jesus was God i said no. So tell me where the name Jesus was mentioned. When quoting say the whole story or summarise.

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But Jesus pbuh wanted to kill Moses pbuh before prophet Muhammad was born.
Slavery (Galatians 4:1- & Racism got its offshoot from the Bible (Romans 9:6-8; 2Kings 17:15).

You can't claim to read & know the Glorious Qur'an and yet not know how to spell Muhammad pbuh correctly.

Gal 4 vs 1-8 ? Talking about slavery? Pls quote and high light the parts pls. Cos i did not read that in my bible. Pls am waiting. All these you quoted have nothin to do with slavery. No mention of slavery in these parts.i hope you read them.
Mohammed had lots of slaves even took some as sex slaves. The slave he refused to free that he used for the Adhan was an African -Bilal . the same man Mohammed refered to his head that it looks like a resin. Isn't that racism and slavery all rolled in one?

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I gave you my understanding of the Prophet's acts multiple times, but as you can't defend the Bible, you kept asking same question.

Now, don't sugar quote. I'll give you references to your Scripture on racism, slavery, violence.

What act is there in killing and looting? Pls explain. You say Islam was peaceful, why did they go about killing and doing Jihad ?

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Let's learn to discuss without attributings violence to each other.
Because the evidences on the net are so damning.
All our deeds we shall account for them someday. Whoever kills an innocent soul, is as he has killed the whole of humanity, likewise he that saveth a soul.

I am all for the truth instead of being politically correct. I will not lie just to make someone feel good.